/lit/ - Literature

>>17619238
the stranger

The Dead House

>>17619309
That's Gogol, not Dosto

Idk

>>17619309
house of the dead by D is fucking excellent

>>17619309
>>17619371
Kek.
Gogol: Dead Souls
Dostoyevsky: The House of the Dead
>>17619238
Only 1/3rd through BK, so excluding it, but my ranking is: C&P, Demons, The Idiot

>>17619371

The Gambler because the casino scenes were fucking hype.

i have only read "Crime and Punishment" and "The Idiot," my favourite is "The Idiot"

>>17619309
honestly, yeah. i'm currently reading that and it's really good

>>17619238
The Idiot and I say that as someone who is autistic and likes cunny.

>>17619238
The Idiot is very degenerate in terms of narration and plot. I assume that Dosto has a writer's block when writing the idiot.

Crime and punishment is his early magnum opus along with Notes from underground.

Demons is cynical when you think about the disturbing chapters. Quite funny actually.

Brothers Karamazov is his really Magnum Opus. You can't argue with that blackpill grand inquisitor and the rebel.

>>17619646
i read gambler its gold
reading demons now
fell asleep after a little over a chapter and had wacky tobaccy dream

>>17620145
I heard somewhere that with the idiot he tried making a world where all the characters have lives going on in the background as realistically as possible, which is why some scenes have a shit ton of useless characters just standing around and why Rogozhin who is suppose to be a really important character only appears like 4 times. Its easily his weakest narratively, but at the same time I just love everyone in this book so much, even the annoying Ippolit

>>17619851
Is there a main character in a Dostoevsky novel that's not autistic?

>>17619499
If you're a third in you should have hit Grand Inquisitor, in which case you're a filtered pleb for not ranking it above all other novels. If I had to choose between the first third of BK and the Library of Alexandria I would be burning down that municipal building so fast it would make Hypatia's head spin

>>17620284
I think the reason he tried to do that is so that Myshkin-Jesus could have a more authentic clash/encounter with human society

>>17620327
Alyosha, everyone else is a sperg

>>17619238
The Idiot
t. epileptic retard too nice for his own good

>>17620386
alyosha is a based and chad sperg

>>17619646
When that grandma bitch slammed down on zero for the fourth time I got hyped.

I was apprehensive before reading this book, but it captured me instantaneously and read it in a day. Alexei was such a nihlistic, little fuck boy though, felt bad for him at the end.

>>17620386
>>17620508

>Dostoevsky literally writes a Chad so Chadley that a crowd of women at his murder trial are begging to get him acquitted.

>/lit/ simps for a beta whose own fiancé disrespects him to his face

>>17620327
The guy in The eternal husband, hes a chad who constantly outshines the little husband at every turn.

Reading C&P now as I more or less figured that starting with Nietzsche was dumb and that I should look back to better understand his ideas

But now I have read the background of C&P and find that to get an even better idea of the whole shebang, I also should read Pisarev and Chernyshevsky

How fucking deep does this literary rabbit hole go

>>17620565
>How fucking deep does this literary rabbit hole go
all the way back to Gilgamesh

>>17619309
Agreed

>>17620565
It's not some grand secret that Dostoevsky's work often references Chernyshevsky

>>17620808
Well, no it's not, but I'm also a newfag discovering all this for the first time, I'm trying to find my footing in philosophy and every time I think I've found a good baseline to go off of, it turns out that I need to read even more and older works and authors to figure out the meanings and whatnot behind it all.

>>17619238
If you’re talking about the P&V translations then they’re all tied for last

>>17620880
that's a meme. P&V are fine

>>17620547
>a Chad so Chadley that a crowd of women at his murder trial are begging to get him acquitted.
Who is this?

>>17620815
That’s a good thing though. Means you‘ve got constant discovery and learning to look forward to!

>>17620899
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/gary-morson/the-pevearsion-of-russian-literature/

pretty covers is why they win the translation wars

>>17620961
I know. But whether I'll have the time between my hobbies, vices, and responsibilities to do so is another thing.

>>17620547
I simp for Dmitr as welli,i love him and alyosha

t. person you replied to

>>17620967
no

>>17620909
did you even read TBK

I thought that I was the only one who loved the Great Inquisitor part, probabily the best in the BK, I'm happy

>>17620909
Dmitri Karamazov

>>17621004
I was really just trolling your use of the term Chad. I don't want to, but I can't help simping for Ivan like a fat tumblerite. Feels bad man, but he's just soooooo smart!

>>17621043
>Great Inquisitor
>Great
>I thought I was only one

Its so famous that its been published as a novella separately from BK and there are multiple lecture series about it. You are baiting hard

>>17621018
>a crowd of women
Weren't there just Grushenka and Katerina, and Katerina even wanted Dmitri to be condemned?

>>17621741
the trial was somewhat famous in the town and even in Moscow so there were a lot of chicks who were supporting Dmitri cause he seemed cool and had two love affairs

>>17621844
Ah, haven't read TBK in a long time. Yeah, Dmitri was pretty Chad.

Demons>TBK>Crime and Punishement for me so far. I haven't read the idiot yet.

>>17620355
Its great but the trail brings the novel back down a few notches.

>>17619238
C&P then go counter clockwise

>>17622456
Is Demons that good?

>>17622464
The trial is exactly what it needs to be, it is the tale of the Grand Inquisitor writ large, an in-depth, evidence based, fairness-seeking but ultimately absurd enterprise that attempts to paste the rubric of Western rationalism onto the irrational but ultimately redeemable animal Man. Justice belongs in the Heavens and Aleosha's speech at the stone has more of real human justice in it than the entire court and constabulary. That is the thesis of the novel and a long trial scene is thoroughly necessary to that.

>>17620284
I liked how two of the most important characters, Rogozin and Nastasja, are essentially like ghosts towards the middle chunk of the book, until the climax of the novel which essentially focuses on them again
The chapter where Rogozin stalks Muskhin with his "eyes" following him from somewhere in the crowd while M is having a stroke was incredibly eerie, and Nastasja gets referred to by the other characters as "her" or "that woman", as if the mere mention of her were capable of causing disorder
it really adds to the feeling of how hopeless the attempts of M to redeem these two really are, they are unreachable both spiritually and physically

>>17621169
I truly didn't know this lmao

>>17622464
>>17620355
Yes, I'm only a couple chapters past it. And the two chapters leading up to it are great too. But hey, I'd have to be a real prick to say, "This is the greatest book of his lifetime" while there are still 500 pages to go.

>>17620815
You don't need to follow some optimal reading order to get anything out of a philosophical text (there are some obvious exceptions). You could argue that unless you took a class on a work of literature you missed out on a ton, but most laypeople would take something away from it, even be profoundly moved.

You can (/should) always come back to a philosophical work later when you've read more and it will take on a deeper significance for you having read more. This board has a weird thing about reading all the historical greatest hits leading up to a philosopher and nobody ever reads like that, especially not the philosopher themselves (who are often drawing significantly from thinkers forgotten today). It would take an entire lifetime to fully excavate the influences of most significant philosophers, don't get hung up on it, just read.

>>17622640
Agree, the trial scene is great and belongs squarely in a long tradition of trial scenes in realist novels (there's one in Red and the Black, another in Les Misérables, another in Zola's The Human Beast, in Sentimental Education there's an auction that almost plays the role of a trial, etc.).

>>17619238
It's not really a contest since Brothers Karamazov is really Dosto's summa, like the Divine Comedy for Dante. It contains pretty much everything there is in his other books, but better integrated in a single frame.

That said, the Adolescent is really underrated. It's like a lesser Brothers K. I'd personally rate the Idiot slightly above Crime and Punishment because it seemed to me more odd and different from the others (also the translation plays a part). Haven't read Demons yet.

>>17625128
Read it, has things not in TBK

>>17620967
That’s not why, their covers are fairly bland actually. They win because their translations got a lot of praise from Slavic scholars and Russian speakers, as well as translations awards. Also, parroting some contrarian like Morson just makes you look like a faggot.

>>17619238
I've only read Crime and Punishment and it's my favorite novel.

>>17625444
Based trips of truth.

>>17619309
only number 2 friendo, C&P is in wholly different level

>>17619646
I really enjoyed it

>>17619270
good one

>>17623045
When I wrote the post you replied to, I was going to mention this because its really interesting. Before I picked up the book I had seen a blurb summary that mentioned Rogozin and Nastasia a whole lot, but Rogozin has maybe 4 scenes in the whole book and Nastasia 2 (in terms of big scenes not just mentions). I think it speaks to his character work that despite only getting a few lines on what Mushkin and Nastasia's life was like during the time skip we know exactly what it must have been like for both of them.

>>17625397
>That’s not why, their covers are fairly bland actually
Let me explain something to you. Those covers are recognizable. They are recognizable as the default covers of these books. 99% of time when someone posts the cover of one of those books for e purpose of discussion, they will have selected the p&v cover. That is an absolute conquest of marketing. Take this trend and extrapolate it by a generation and now you have the definitive translations of the books, all because they were the ones that were posted over and over, because they were the recognizable ones. I wander into Indigo and ooo there’s that classic blood red Brothers K cover, gotta have it! Sure it’s twice as expensive as the Oxford, but it’s the one all my friends online have!

I feel the idiot might be one of the funnest

>>17619646
Underrated.

My pick is The Brother K.

>>17619238
All 4 are absolute pulp fiction trash. They belong in grocery store check out lines next to throw-away romance for bored soccer moms as an option for bored house husbands.

>>17620565
It goes deep. The 1861-1881 era of Russian history and literature defined the terms for the 150 years that followed. Understand that it didn't appear out of thin air, nor has the era really ended.

>>17619238
My favorite is Demons, and I'm not one of those ani-communists who read Dosto just to own the commies. It's genuinely great.
All 4 are masterpieces, though.

>>17620327
I was going to say the protagonist of The Eternal Husband, but >>17620560 was faster

>>17619238
How do I know which translation to start with?

>>17619238
Mine is TBK closely followed by "Uncle's dream". The latter was just such a thrill.

>>17619238
haven't read TBK but out of the other three, Devils > C&P > Idiot