/lit/ - Literature

It’s called inceldom

>>17618086
>even though I personally had sex with chad at age 12 and had lesbian sex at age 9, I'm opposed to this because it might benefit incels
your such a dork.

>>17618081
Wait tradfags are cunnypilled? Maybe they aren't so bad after all...

maladapted young men have always been susceptible to political or religious extremism

>I need a book to explain why esoteric personalities would be attracted to esoteric hobbies
???

>>17618150
Anime isn't esoteric.

>>17618124
>even though I personally had sex with chad at age 12 and had lesbian sex at age 9, I'm opposed to this because it might benefit incels
I hope you don't actually believe this...

>>17618184
For the average normie it is.

>>17618184
Have you even seen neon genesis evangelion?

>>17618274
I call the bluff of most women. For example, how many feminists' only date/are attracted to chads? In your case, I doubt you were an asexual virgin until you turned 16 because nobody is like that.

>>17618081
Weebs getting more and more based. Sad that I grew out of anime.

>>17618127
it's one of the deeper and more inaccessible pills but yes, basically child marriage is b&r and age of consent was invented by feminists who wanted women in factories

Mecha is the only anime worth watching. Everything else is schlock. Where are my /m/en at?

>>17618081
I mean age of consent is 14 in a lot of European countries

is dunbine good? i'm going through UC gundam rn and the only non-gundam tomino i've seen is ideon.

>>17618437
meant for >>17618413

>>17618081
Autistic virgins favor faces that are very easy to detect. They are mentally stunted teenagers that can’t hold themselves to higher standards and take responsibility

>>17618405
>it's one of the deeper and more inaccessible pills
how can that be? Little girls are sexy af

>>17618370
>how many women only date/are attracted to chads
most of them? why do you think you have a right to dictate other's attraction? lol
>waaaahhhhh nobody likes my obese cheeto-stained body

>>17618467
>Autistic virgins favor faces that are very easy to detect
word salad.

>>17618473
sexualization of minors is illegal under US law

>>17618492
Low iq tranny

>>17618473
You're sick

>>17618413
Mecha anime is tailor-made for autists who understand robots and fighter planes but not human beings. Zeta Gundam might be the most autistic television show I've ever watched.

Is he wrong though?

>>17618081
The worst posters are anime posters. They act smug as fuck but beat their meat to anime feet

>>17618081
>>17618134
"extremism" is relative. The word holds no weight.

>mecha
>not genre schlock
Kek. Watch Mononoke or Angel's Egg, dude.

>>17618081
Distance from reality.

>>17618499
>>17618522
>anon posts instagram tier photo of kid
>gets banned
a true testament to the decline of this website

>>17618700
It does kind of make me lol. I get why they delete them don't get me wrong, but it also makes it kind of perfect ruse material since the pictures themselves are innocuous

>>17618473
Lads...

>>17618700
it's literal sexualization of minors, which is not legal in the US. What are you arguing with?

>>17618437
>>17618453
I am the /m/an you replied to. Dunbine sucks and is really boring. Best non-Gundam Tomino anime are L-Gaim, Xabungle, and the Ideon Be Invoked movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zjbHD_72CE

>>17618081
Anime is an artform, therefore, it is radical, not extreme; antianime is what is extreme.

Anime excels in idealization of excellence, and of ultimacy, within the forms of an imaginally exhalted reality, therefore, it is inspirational, and exemplar, and its preciation reserved only for the youthful spirit.

>>17618081
this website

>>17618747
It is literally just a picture of a girl sitting on a couch you dumb faggot, how is it sexualized? If you think this image is sexual in any way it's because you're mind is in the gutter and you want to fuck her, simple as that.

>>17618532
I disagree. Check Patlabor TV out.
And Zeta is great.

>>17618747
It is literally just a picture of a girl sitting on a couch you dumb faggot, how is it sexualized? If you think this image is sexual in any way it's because you're mind is in the gutter and you want to fuck her, simple as that. You were a pedo all along.

>>17618818
You can see her feet...

>>17618834
She does have socks on though, even if they are see-through

>>17618818
why do you insist on being a contrarian. You know why the image was posted. And your post has been reported for the same reason. Look forward to your ban

>>17618839
You can also see her shoulders
PS. I am Muslim so technically me seeing this picture is haram

>>17618851
I am one too

>>17618859
>>17618851
>aoc thread is full of muslims

>>17618842
Why do pictures of little girls evoke sexual feelings from you?

>>17618879
>why do pictures of little girls accompanied by captions of "Little girls are sexy af" make you think of pedophiles
idk, tough one

If children in the US can't consent, then wouldn't that mean adults in African countries can't consent?

>>17618903
anon can say whatever he wants, the image itself is unworthy of a ban.
you are the cancer that killed this website

>>17618942
no, people posting sexualized pictures of minors outside /b/ is what ruined this website

>>17618952
>implying that picture was sexualized

>>17618405
>it's one of the deeper and more inaccessible pills
Give me the other ones

I just realized an advanced intelligent extraterrestrial or advanced AI couldn't ethically have sex with humans, because it'd be the same as humans having sex with dumb, nonhuman animals.

It's over, tiktok and anime is here to normalize sexualizing hebes.
A world of cunny is around the corner.

>>17618729
would you? i know i would

>>17619044
I mean she's very cute but to actually do it...

>>17619091
You'd be surprised how into it they are.

>>17619112
H-how do you know..?

>>17619146
The internet is a big place, and lets be honest with ourselves here. If it feels good now under what logic would it not feel good then?

>>17618184
>he hasn't watched LotGH, Monster, Utena, or Lain and thinks normals would accept even the most normal of episodes from these shows

>>17618967
>Little girls are sexy af
the caption of the image. It might be a cute picture of a child to family and friends, but when it's distributed on the internet for random people to look at, it's sexualizing. Are you autistic or are you just advocating the necessity for a strict cut-off between ok and not ok?

>>17619217
>but when it's distributed on the internet for random people to look at, it's sexualizing.
How?

>>17619241
because there's literally no other reason to be looking at a random teenage girl

>>17619415
Lets just put all women in burqas then, lest we stare rape them.

>>17619167
I think I would be too big and it would hurt her...

>>17619427
you're pretending to be ignorant. you understand why this isn't the same. Nobody is saying pictures of children can't appear on the internet. A portrait photo of a little girl posted on this forum with no connection to the girl whatsoever (and with the caption "little girls are sexy af") is what we're talking about. You understand why that is sexualizing. You're just trying to argue "uh it's just an arbitrary distinction point" -- your inability to understand that society runs on arbitrary distinction points is why you're alone masturbating to kiddy porn in your parents basement.

>>17619434
Give her a lick instead

>>17619454
No, you. Unironically.

>>17619454
A caption doesn't change the content of the photo.

The Pedo Catharsis Act

This legislation will allocate taxes to fund what is henceforth referred to as Pedo Catharsis. Any willing participant will be flown to a partnered country with acceptably lenient age of consent laws, where they will participate in three days of sex tourism, and then return home to be executed by lethal injection.

>>17619467
larping as a retard

>>17619465
What's that supposed to mean?
>>17619467
It changes the context which is enough to consider it sexualized

>>17619534
At least my retardation is roleplay, while yours is authentic.
>>17619547
>It changes the context which is enough to consider it sexualized
Some words under a legal photograph is not enough to change it's legality

>>17618081

>>17619582
I like how they skipped from 9th to 5th grade because of the gray zone middle school girls present.
Truth is, the overwhelming majority of 5th grade girls are also pubescent.

Silly cartoon, only in Japan can you get away with something like it. Really makes you think. Anglos have yet to shed their victorian era sexual morality.

>>17619615
>. Anglos have yet to shed their victorian era sexual morality.
This might surprise you but sensual displays of pubescents children in art, postcards, media etc was common in Victorian England. It's American puritanism which causes anti-pedo hysteria not English Victorianism.

>>17619615
>Truth is, the overwhelming majority of 5th grade girls are also pubescent.

>The mean age at onset of puberty is 9.74 ± 1.09 years in Japanese healthy girls. There is a trend that onset of puberty occurs earlier in girls with greater height, greater height SDS, heavier weight, greater percent overweight, or greater BMI. The mean age at menarche is 12.24 ± 0.93 years in Japanese healthy girls.
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4419-1795-9_66#:~:text=The%20mean%20age%20at%20onset,years%20in%20Japanese%20healthy%20girls.

>>17619641
Where can I find these for "research" purposes"?

>>17619582
lmao what anime is this

>>17619664
Comical Psychosomatic Medicine

>>17618492
>Autistic virgins favor faces that are very easy to detect
This is actually part of it, what autists have issue with is subtlety. It's this inability to preceive and to participate in subtlety that both causes them to hold extremist views and to voice them. Similarly what almost all genres of anime share between them is this autistic lack of subtlety. Characters faces are giant and expressive past the point of absurdity. Stock phrases and characters and even feelings are constantly made use of. Everything is anime is exaggerated and the autist identifies with this, likewise their political views are exaggerated to the point of extremism.

>>17619615
Based frog poster

>>17618700
what was the cute and funny photo brehs?

>>17618081
autism

>>17618081
A twelve year old's pelvic floor is not going to respond well to labour. Due to its narrowness and the narrowness of other parts, labour for child mothers is agonising and can last days. More often than not, the extremely young mother is left with life long injuries, including incontinence, if mother and baby aren't killed outright by the ordeal. The chance of the baby being stillborn increases by as much as 50% for girls under twenty. Congenital defects are also much more likely to occur. There is a world of difference between a little girl starting liberty and a young woman finishing it.

>>17619815
*starting puberty

>>17618700
unironically

>>17619815
the chances of a child being born from a mother over 30 having mental defects are just as high as those between brother-sister incest.

jannies you know where this thread is going. Just take it out.

>>17619832
incorrect and odd argument but ok i guess

>>17619832
Yes, and? That has no bearing on what I wrote.

>>17619815
>>17619822
Here is evidene to the contrary.
>Adverse medical effects of teenage pregnancies have been reported mainly in quite old studies dated back to the 1950s. At this time, teenage pregnancies were seen as obstetric problems per se, which are associated with an increased risk of anemia, preterm labor, urinary tract infections, hypertension, preeclampsia, a high rate of cesarean sections but also preterm birth, low birth weight, and intrauterine growth restriction.
>These observations, however, are based on studies among social-deprived subpopulations and from third-world countries with very poor medical conditions.
>In this study, it could be shown that very young mothers (<15a) were quite immature, they were significantly shorter and lighter than older mothers, even older adolescent mothers. Furthermore, they gave birth to significantly smaller and lighter newborns. On the other hand—although breech presentation was quite high—the cesarean section rate—indicating birth complications—was significantly lower than among older mothers, even lower than among late adolescent mothers. Considering in contrast to the incidence of obstetrical risks such as cesarean section or adverse child presentation, such problems are low in comparison to older gravida.
>Therefore, we can conclude that teenage pregnancies—even among early adolescent mothers aging below 15 years—are not associated with increased obstetrical risks.
https://www.intechopen.com/books/an-analysis-of-contemporary-social-welfare-issues/teenage-pregnancies-a-worldwide-social-and-medical-problem

>>17619866
>teenage
I was clearly referring to those who are 12 and under as per the OP.

>>17619837
It already went there and came around full circle lmao. 2 anons were banned

THREAD IS NOT LITERATURE

>>17618081
my coombrain theory:

the weeb gets sexual magic practiced on him through waifus. he is inclined to agree with his waifu's opinions and gets groomed ez.

>>17619882
Jannies are too busy cooming. They see these threads and let them reach like 90 bumps before sinking it. It's like allowing pirates to rob the coast to rob them.

I have a conspiracy
>be manlet dicklet weeb
>modern mature women shun you
>go younger and younger to try to get at them before they know what's up in a way to somehow thwart your genetic disadvantage without actually working on yourself
MANY SUCH CASES!

>>17619862
too young is better than too old. 15-25 is 'ideal" for childbirth but better to have sex with a cute hebe than a 30 year old roastie.

Good thread

>>17619880
The first group is girls aged 12 - 14, the same age mentioned in the OP. The youngest mother recorded was the age of 6. Humans as a species have small pelvises in relation to the size of the infant head. This is a consequence of walking upright.
In developed countries you can give birth quite young with minimal complications.

>>17619910
>too young is better than too old
unironically isn't. and the fact that you unironically use the word roastie says enough.

>>17619923
No. Almost every major study that references this thankfully rare occurrence notes significant complications.
https://www.livescience.com/19584-10-year-birth.html

>>17619943
>africa
>columbia
There is your problem.
This isn't even a study, it's a journalism article appealing to pathos.

>>17619866
>In the 1840s, the average age at menarche was 16.5 years in Europe; today, menarcheal onset occurs at the age of 12.5 on the average in Europe
Evolutionary speaking, young girls are not supposed to give birth. The only reason twelve year olds have their period so early is because of our overabundance of resources allowing their bodies to develop earlier. The trend of early puberty is a modern one.
This means young girls don't have the maturity and are psychologically unready to be mothers.
Go ahead and wife yourself an 18 year old, that's based and redpilled. But having a 12 year old wife is wrong

>>17619966
>no refute
mental illness is a serious problem mang

>>17619966
The hospitals might physically exist in Africa and Colombia but they're built and maintained by westerners, you dolt. The article even states that the individual providing this information is a lecturer at a western university.

>>17618413
>.blocks your path

>>17618081

OP is basically true, we pushed really hard to include women into education, work, and politics in a way that is totally unprecedented. In the before times, if there was grass on the field then men generally played ball. It's still common for women in tribal societies to give birth at 14 yo, it's just the way things are without the intervention of modern culture.

btw anime is gay and bad

>>17619980
>no refute
Refute what?
Your article only said girls younger than 12 giving birth in third world countries results in complications and that it's oh so horrible and yada yada yada.
OP makes the claim girls as young as 12 can give birth.
I provided you with a study conducted by members of the Anthropology department from the University of Vienna which concludes that early adolescent pregnancy between the ages of 12-14 are not at greater obstetrical risk than girls of older ages.
Should girls younger than 12 be getting pregnant? No. Can they do so without issues? Some certainly can. I don't even have to defend this point because nobody is arguing for it.
>>17619995
>The hospitals might physically exist in Africa and Colombia but they're built and maintained by westerners, you dolt.
And they are most likely understaffed and underfunded. Are you going to tell me the assets available in third world hospitals even if they are built by westeners are the same as actual first world countries. I don't think so, but you are welcome to provide evidence since you are the one making the claim that the standards are near or up to par.
>The article even states that the individual providing this information is a lecturer at a western university.
A doctor from some university said some thing. Okay. It doesn't prove anything, I want sample sizes, I want measurements, I want charts, I want graphs. Otherwise nothing is really being said and it is far from a scientific approach.

Why do parents allow their daughters to dress so provocatively? Little girls should not own bikinis, they should go to the pool in one-piece swimsuits and not wear short shorts.

>>17620024
>pushes you aisde
attack on tendies toddlers are like a child reading harry potter while their father reads the Illiad, they just don't get it and still think themselves superior.

>>17620081
Preparing us for the warmer world of the future. Also
>provocatively
just don't be a pedo lol.

>>17620066
then we agree with eadh other? cool

>>17619903
Kek someone is mad. Remember to freeze those eggs before they expire sweaty

>>17620108
>then we agree with each other? cool
So impregnating 12+ year olds like the OP said is cool with you from a medical standpoint?

>>17620117
>anyone who disagrees with me is a woman
you will never have a woman

>>17620148
not what I said at all. You said thar 12 year olds shouldn't be pregnant and that on rare cases they can have a smooth delivery. OP is just a pedo and I don't agree with him at all. It just reeks of cope and i'm sad that people really think that way

>>17619979
>psychologically
nice cringe. Can you appeal to anything with weight or no?

>>17620165
>For hundreds of thousands of years, if not millions, girls gain the ability to give birth around the age of 16 and human psychology has likewise evolved
>B-B-BUT ANIME LOLIS ARE HOT!! THAT MEANS EVOLUTION ISN'T REAL

>>17620156
No I said girls under the age of 12 generally should not be getting pregnant but provided a study which shows young adolescent mothers between the ages of 12-14 have no more significant obstetrical risks than older mothers.
This was in response to your original claim here
>>17619815
>A twelve year old's pelvic floor is not going to respond well to labour. Due to its narrowness and the narrowness of other parts, labour for child mothers is agonising and can last days.
Work on your reading comprehension.
>>17619979
>Evolutionary speaking, young girls are not supposed to give birth. The only reason twelve year olds have their period so early is because of our overabundance of resources allowing their bodies to develop earlier. The trend of early puberty is a modern one.
Completely incorrect, age of menarch being 12 was commonly observed in medieval times. The increase of age of menarch during the industrial revolution was actually due to a drop in general nutritional and living standards.
>This means young girls don't have the maturity and are psychologically unready to be mothers.
This is completely subjective.
>Go ahead and wife yourself an 18 year old, that's based and redpilled. But having a 12 year old wife is wrong
You only think so because of the zeitgeist of when you live.

>>17620199
>irls gain the ability to give birth around the age of 16
what is this bullshit? Girls gain the ability to give birth at like 10

>>17620066
>I want sample sizes, I want measurements, I want charts, I want graphs.
Sure, here you go:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0114843
This study also links to a whole slew of other studies that reach the same conclusion.

>>17620149
>modern mature women
Try to be less obvious next time, that was an instant give away

>>17620277
there are no women on the internet retard

>>17620219
Thanks!
Now this is interesting, it shows that infant mortality is increased among adolescent mothers, however the studies that you linked do not say anything about complications to the mothers' person which furthers the point that these births are not as physically dangerous to the mothers in question as previously thought.
Now should all women wait until 27 to minimize the effects of stillbirth? That is up to you to decide.

>>17618914
kek

>>17620380
>not say anything about complications to the mothers' person
Why are you trying to make it all about this when I referred to birthing complications generally?
>The risk of a composite adverse birth outcome was significantly higher at extreme maternal ages. In specific, risks of stillbirth, neonatal death, preterm birth, congenital anomaly, and low birth weight were higher at the extremes of maternal age.
As for very young mothers (twelve and below) your own study says the following:
>A clear risk group are extremely young teenage mothers (younger than 15 years) who are confronted with various medical risks, such as preeclampsia, preterm labor, and small for gestational age newborns
And preeclampsia, though potentially fatal for the mother, isn't the half of it. Do you honestly think that a permanent tear in the mother's vaginal wall leading to an opening in the rectum or the bladder doesn't qualify as physically dangerous?
>The toxic combination of a young girl having sex, getting pregnant and going through childbirth when her body is not developed enough accounts for at least 25% of known fistula cases.
https://www.girlsnotbrides.org/fistula-a-silent-tragedy-for-child-brides/#:~:text=An%20obstetric%20fistula%20is%20a,stuck%20in%20the%20birth%20canal.

>>17618081
They are just trolls dude. They adopt anime avatars because they’re good as exactly that, avatars. Same with the trannies. They just use them as avatars.

>>17620552
why are you arguing with these people bro? Common sense is more than enough. You can't convince them, they're too stuck in their twisted ways. Just leave them to get inevitably v&

>>17620594
because if I don't believe in truth and the innate, transcendental capacity for human decency I have nothing

>>17618081
big fat book that opens up to a single page that just reads "autism"

>>17620620

>>17618492
WORDS WORDS WORDS

>>17618492
sorry bro stopped at wor, it was just too many letters

>>17620552
>Why are you trying to make it all about this when I referred to birthing complications generally?
You were were referring to complications of the mother, and I claimed and maintain that their obstetrical risks are low and not a result of their pelvic size.
>And preeclampsia, though potentially fatal for the mother, isn't the half of it. Do you honestly think that a permanent tear in the mother's vaginal wall leading to an opening in the rectum or the bladder doesn't qualify as physically dangerous?
Again do you read what I spell out for you? I already addressed this here >>17619866
>At this time, teenage pregnancies were seen as obstetric problems per se, which are associated with an increased risk of anemia, preterm labor, urinary tract infections, hypertension, preeclampsia, a high rate of cesarean sections but also preterm birth, low birth weight, and intrauterine growth restriction.
>These observations, however, are based on studies among social-deprived subpopulations and from third-world countries with very poor medical conditions.

>The toxic combination of a young girl having sex, getting pregnant and going through childbirth when her body is not developed enough accounts for at least 25% of known fistula cases.
Where is the citation for this report?

>>17620219
The studies here say that stillbirth is higher among teenage mothers than those between the ages of 26 and 30, however the rate of stillbirth is also higher in the 20-25 age range than the 26-30 age range, meaning that it is not the size of the pelvis which is the source of these complications as you made the claim in your first post here:>>17619815
The pelvis in the 20-25 age range is at it's adult size, so there's more to the resulting stillbirths than it's size. Again, no mention of the condition of the early adolescent mothers either.

>>17620731
>You were were referring to complications of the mother
No, I was obviously referring to complications generally. That's why I referenced infant mortality.
>Again do you read what I spell out for you? I already addressed this here
Again, that references teenagers not twelve year olds and under.
>These observations, however, are based on studies among social-deprived subpopulations and from third-world countries with very poor medical conditions.
Yes, and? Are you trying to claim that these types of births don't primairly occur in countries with limited medical conditions and haven't done so historically?
>Where is the citation for this report?
You give me 1 (one) study from an open access journal and you have the gall to start harping on about source quality? It's from a reputable charity, the name of which is given at the bottom of the article. I'm more than inclined to trust it over you.
>The pelvis in the 20-25 age range is at it's adult size, so there's more to the resulting stillbirths than it's size. Again, no mention of the condition of the early adolescent mothers either.
Again, you conflate two separate issues in an effort to make it seem as if I am saying something I am not. I never stated that narrow hips alone led to still births.

Answer honestly: are you a Muslim?

>>17620813
>No, I was obviously referring to complications generally. That's why I referenced infant mortality.
You made two claims, one regarding the health of the mother and the other being the mortality rate of the child. I responded by saying that the health of the mother is not negatively effected by the birth, and that the stillbirth is not due to the pelvic size. The studies you listed gave no reason for the cause of the still births, but rather there were greater risks of it at mother ages below 26 and above 29.
>Again, that references teenagers not twelve year olds and under.
It references early adolescents between the ages of 12-16. Again we are not talking about under 12s and even if we were you have not provided a study for that.
>Yes, and? Are you trying to claim that these types of births don't primairly occur in countries with limited medical conditions and haven't done so historically?
I am saying that they are a result of suboptimal conditions and it should not be surprising that infant mortality and damage to the mother is higher in these regions, these people also tend to die from diarrhea at far greater rates. It doesn't mean that the young birth itself is inherently damaging especially when adjusted for socioeconomic conditions.
>You give me 1 (one) study from an open access journal and you have the gall to start harping on about source quality? It's from a reputable charity, the name of which is given at the bottom of the article. I'm more than inclined to trust it over you.
I am not harping on your source quality, I am asking for the source. Your article doesn't have a source and I am asking for one because if it's citing something from the 70s or is just data about the general conditions of young mothers in African hellholes.
It's important because my whole argument is centered around the point that early adolescents giving birth do not fare worse health circumstances than older mothers in developed western nations. That's why I continue to cite that Austrian study over and over again given the quality of the health standards there and how recently the study was conducted.
>Again, you conflate two separate issues in an effort to make it seem as if I am saying something I am not. I never stated that narrow hips alone led to still births.
So then if it's not the pelvic size which is an expression of the age of my mother then you are conceding to my argument that young girls having smaller pelvises is not the reason for infant mortality.
>Answer honestly: are you a Muslim
No.

>>17620913
>12-16
The groups are as follows
<15
15-19
20-29
>40
So yes, the study does take into account girls of 12 years of age.

this is an interesting battle going on here. Am curious to see who consneeds first.

>>17620913
>You made two claims, one regarding the health of the mother and the other being the mortality rate of the child. I responded by saying that the health of the mother is not negatively effected by the birth, and that the stillbirth is not due to the pelvic size. The studies you listed gave no reason for the cause of the still births, but rather there were greater risks of it at mother ages below 26 and above 29.
Nowhere did I state that small pelvic size alone was responsible for still births. At each and every point in this discussion you have tried to make the argument solely about the health of the mother.
>Again we are not talking about under 12s
I was referring to those who are 12 and under from the beginning. The thrust of OP's point is that it's alright to make children pregnant. Never has my focus been on teenage pregnancies specifically.
> It doesn't mean that the young birth itself is inherently damaging
It does when the age of the girl all but necessitates a caesarian section. The study you posted (falsely) assumes that because caesarian sections weren't performed, birth complications must be low in this age range.But her sample size of 19(!) is pitifully low. The fact that she feels she can make any concrete statement in regard to this age group is absurd.
>my whole argument is centered around the point that early adolescents giving birth do not fare worse health circumstances than older mothers in developed western nations.
Your whole argument is based around 19 Austrian girls aged 12-14. Please fuck off.

>>17621056
>Nowhere did I state that small pelvic size alone was responsible for still births.
I never said you claimed it was the ONLY thing, this is the post I'm arguing against:
>>17619815
>A twelve year old's pelvic floor is not going to respond well to labour. Due to its narrowness and the narrowness of other parts, labour for child mothers is agonising and can last days. More often than not, the extremely young mother is left with life long injuries, including incontinence, if mother and baby aren't killed outright by the ordeal. The chance of the baby being stillborn increases by as much as 50% for girls under twenty. Congenital defects are also much more likely to occur. There is a world of difference between a little girl starting liberty and a young woman finishing it.

>I was referring to those who are 12 and under from the beginning. The thrust of OP's point is that it's alright to make children pregnant. Never has my focus been on teenage pregnancies specifically.
Maybe you should make it clear who you are in the post and ehat you are arguing. I've made myself very clear about my stance and what I am arguing.
>It does when the age of the girl all but necessitates a caesarian section. The study you posted (falsely) assumes that because caesarian sections weren't performed, birth complications must be low in this age range.But her sample size of 19(!) is pitifully low. The fact that she feels she can make any concrete statement in regard to this age group is absurd.
I am not arguing that infant mortality is not higher for a younger mother age, I even conceded and acknowledged that you are correct in saying that infant mortality is lowest in mothers aged 26-29 in the following post >>17620380

However, I stated that it is odd that the mortality rate of the infant is lower at the 26-29 age range than the 20-25 age range given that that the size of the womans' pelvis is no longer a major issue. The study says women younger than 26 are more proje to still births, I fully acknowledge this. The reason for there being higher stillbirths however, is up to interpretation given that the study itself doesn't given reason, only that it's what has been observed.
>>17621056
>Your whole argument is based around 19 Austrian girls aged 12-14. Please fuck off.
Compared to your sample size of zilch western girls done in modern times and a bunch of kneegrows in Africa who are already halfway starving and dying of poop related illness.

Anime is made by and for social misfits. Social misfits tend to have weird ideas. Simple as.

>>17621124
Half of this is pure obfuscation, the rest is you actively conceding. Stop posting.
>muh western girls though
Nowhere did I say that my argument is only in reference to western girls. That wouldn't make any sense - half the physiological issues I described in that original post could affectively be avoided by caesarian section. Something western women today have access to as a matter of course, but was not available to most girls historically, and is not available even now in most of the countries in which child marriage takes place.

>>17621167
>Nowhere did I say that my argument is only in reference to western girls. That wouldn't make any sense - half the physiological issues I described in that original post could affectively be avoided by caesarian section. Something western women today have access to as a matter of course, but was not available to most girls historically, and is not available even now in most of the countries in which child marriage takes place.

Now you see where I'm getting at, my argument for why these girls are dying is because of the shitholes they're living in and their medical standards, catch my drift?
My thesis statement would be:
Obstetrical risks of adolescent pregnancies are primarily a result of adverse socioeconomic conditions rather than the age of the mother involved.

In the Austrian study, girls aged 12-14 had the lowest rate of c-section because the size of the child made it easy for them to pass through the cervix.
Though you are correct, the sample size of 19 for the 12-14 year olds is laughably small.

In order to collect more data I propose that we impregnate more girls in this age range so we can come to a proper conclusion.

>>17618081
No anon. You will have to write them yourself.

>>17618081
>Anime attracts weirdos, misfits, and disgusting savages
>People who watch it are drawn to other deranged stuff
Seems pretty straightforward to me

>>17621249
>a result of adverse socioeconomic conditions
That's complete nonsense though because in the absence of medical intervention (i.e. caesarian section) their bodies can't deliver the baby affectively. This is to say nothing of the fact that you have failed to show that the stillbirths and the various birth defects in this age range can be wholly accounted for by malnutrition. See >>17619815 >>17619943 and >>17620552 you utter nonce.

>>17619979
>Evolutionary speaking, young girls are not supposed to give birth. The only reason twelve year olds have their period so early is because of our overabundance of resources allowing their bodies to develop earlier. The trend of early puberty is a modern one

Weren't cave people having kids at 13 - 14? Also child marriages in the third world and in ancient Rome 12 year old girls were considered to be able to be married off.

Not disagreeing with your point that 12 year olds should not be getting pregnant, just skeptical of the quoted claim.

>>17621281
>That's complete nonsense though because in the absence of medical intervention (i.e. caesarian section) their bodies can't deliver the baby affectively.
The western girls or the third world girls?
The first world girls ages 12-14 had low rates of c-section, the sample size again is small.
>This is to say nothing of the fact that you have failed to show that the stillbirths and the various birth defects in this age range can be wholly accounted for by malnutrition.
I never said that still births can wholly be accounted for malnutrition nor did I even give a reason for why I think they happen. The studies didn't even say why they happen. 20-25 year olds also have a higher stillbirth rate than 25-29 year olds.
You love bantering, but do you even read what I write?
>>17621124
>I am not arguing that infant mortality is not higher for a younger mother age, I even conceded and acknowledged that you are correct in saying that infant mortality is lowest in mothers aged 26-29 in the following post >>17620380

>The reason for there being higher stillbirths however, is up to interpretation given that the study itself doesn't even give a reason, only that it's what has been observed.

>you utter nonce.
Seeth angloid

>>17618086
Fpbp

By your logic 40+ year old women shouldn't be allowed to have sex.

>>17621329
>The western girls or the third world girls?
Either.
>the sample size again is small.
Bingo. Now fuck off, cretin. All you've done really is concede point after point. I swear your type is possessed of its own unique personality where it thinks it can ingratiate itself with others by rolling over. Disgusting. Seek help before it's too late. I'm not going to entertain this gross little game of yours any longer,

>>17621378
yeah?

>>17621381
>Either.
There is no conclusive data for either.
>Now fuck off, cretin. All you've done really is concede point after point. I swear your type is possessed of its own unique personality where it thinks it can ingratiate itself with others by rolling over. Disgusting. Seek help before it's too late. I'm not going to entertain this gross little game of yours any longer
Ok buddy

>>17620024
That is mecha anime

>>17618532
Fighter planes and mecha are human, like art, they are extensions of the human spirit. Mecha anime is often by extension the anthropomorphization of these machines, which to me is a symptom of empathy. Just like being able to connect with an animal, or a bug, or even an enemy. It is a symptom of more empathy (maybe dis proportionally), not less. They understand humans through their constructions rather than the flesh which to me implies a far more cerebral connection over a 'material' concrete one.

>>17618081
> correlation between anime and extremism?
And that's a good thing.