/lit/ - Literature

>>17614507
Any fantasy and/or Science fiction novel where the main character or the love interest are unrepentant psychos killing love rivals and isolating their loved ones?

>>17614556
I know a few, but the novels aren’t wholly sci-fi nor fantasy though.

Do readers now expect fantastical racism in every fantasy setting in [current year]? Is it realistic for fantasy races to live together normally in a setting without racial prejudices coming up?

>>17614859
Unfortunately, in current year, any acknowledgement of specie/race differences is made racism. If I write a book with a humanoid race of long limbed humanoids with dark skin who are very fast runners, I'll get bombarded with accusations of being a racist even though I'm simply acknowledging a racial "perk"
That's why I'm writing species, not races.

Early Bakker is so kino. The whole Inrau plot, Kellhus x Cnauir plot, Akka making the connections between different factions and players, Esmi and Sarcelus, the Emperor's gamble. It's all so tight and well oiled.
Granted some of the best parts happened in Aspect Emperor, but early Bakker simply had more charisma. You can tell he wasn't as jaded and depressed as by the end of Unholy Consult, when he probably already knew that he wouldn't be able to write the No God series. It gives me the sad

>>17614507
Can I get a book recommendation? I want something with an atmosphere and setting similar to pic related; something distopic and cyberpunkish but with fantastical elements like psionics and demons thrown in
no warhammer pls

>>17614875
>You can literally tell an entire story without a word of prose. And more universally as well. Prose is incidental to storytelling.
Holy shit, I don't think I've ever read anything more stupid than this.

>>17615069
This desu.

>>17615069
He’s a Sandersoy, what did you expect?

>>17614507
>Doesn’t link new thread on the previous one
>Wrong formatting
>”Anime edition”

Shit thread.

>>17615069
I hate this fucking board. This post is so retarded I'm convinced it's genuine.

>>17615185
It is, check the previous thread.

>>17615192
I meant the one I was replying to.

>>17615069
>>You can literally tell an entire story without a word of prose. And more universally as well. Prose is incidental to storytelling.
The absolute state of proselets.

>>17615196
>>17615185
Well, that’s not an argument.

>>17615185
Leave it. The prosesoys are just trying to trigger you.

>NOOOOOOOOOO! WHY IS THIS PROSE SOOO HAAAAAARD!!!???
>PROSE IS IRELEVAAANT!!!!
>>>/a/

>All the Greats wrote masterful prose, regardless of the genre.
Proselets simply cannot cope with this fact.

>>17614859
Even the Mormon is getting heat for this. And he’s one of the most “non-controversial” writers I can think of.

>>17615371
I haven’t read any Sanderson, is it worth it? Or is it all jus YA.

>>17615386
Not worth it, if you’re over 18.

>>17615386
It's worse than YA.

>>17615386
>>17612263
Just cringe.

>>17614859
>tfw unconsciously made an entire world with apparent anti-miscegenation tendencies where all unions are within the same race
am i gonna get cancelled for this?

>>17612056
>”No. Sanderson's prose is based around painting a picture in your head with as little words as possible.”

>1200 page books
>Repeats the same shit in the books over and over again.

This has to be bait.

>>17615406
I have no idea what’s going on there, but “cringe is the appropriate response.

>>17615416
Where is this from?

>>17615446
idk i found it on here and thought it was funny

How much “Mormonism” is in Sanderson’s work?

>>17615486
Zero sex. Or GRI for that matter.

>>17614905
Wayne Barlowe

>>17615488
GRI?

>>17615516
>being this new
Oh no no no no no

I downloaded a lot of fantasy last week and just finished The Name of the Wind. I didn't overly enjoy it but wanted to at least finish it, however I won't read any more of his work. It was an easy read and I'm now unsure on what to start. I want a medieval fantasy setting with magic and possibly some level of maturity. I'm torn between something with decent prose and intensity like Prince of Nothing or Malazan, or perhaps also starting Mistborn or The Way of Kings to satisfy my easy to read urge to be entertained and it wouldn't take me long to read those.

Thoughts? It's probably best to just start whatever I want and recommendations may be difficult as I've just given you polarising examples.

>>17615595
(You)

>>17615595
Curse of Chalion.

>>17615516
Gay/gore, rape, incest.

Good gritty fantasy tends to hit all these buttons.

Are there any good books with a similar setting to retro jrpgs? Like, airships, huge trains, skyscrapers, maybe even robots all powered by magic and used alongside swords and spirits and stuff? The strong technology vs. nature themes are a bonus but not required.

>>17615649
Book of the new sun. The protagonist even becomes God at the end.

>>17615649
“The Aeronaut’s Windlass” by Jim Butcher has airships and big towers.

>Madness!

>>17615739
Surely you jest?

>>17615739
Madness? This is Sparta!

Can you name the worst sff books you’ve ever read? Please elaborate.

So that I can avoid them.

>>17615758
Dune.

>>17615758
anything by sanderson

>>17615758
Nine tailed fox was pretty bad. Picked it up at a used bookstore a while back.

>>17615637
do there have to be gays?

>>17615762
>>17615775
>>17615774
Why? It’s just shit-posting otherwise.

>>17615776
Just having gay sex in the series qualifies. There being actual gays in the series to enjoy it isn't required.

>>17615823
i'm gonna have gays in my book, but fuck doing sex scenes for them lel

>>17615595
Fantasy peaked with Earthsea

>>17615844
hard agree. but you posted the worst covers.

>>17615837
You can explore new venues for GRI like having gay people be straight raped.

>>17615837
As an actual faggot, you are literally never gonna make it if you shy away from gay sex scenes.

Simply because you’ll a token retard. There’s nothing I loathe more than quotas in fantasy books.

Fuck you.

>>17615837
asoiaf is gri but i think all the gay sex in it is only implied

i can't remember any gay sex scenes

>>17615864
i will just imply it and have the other characters make fun of it behind their backs

>>17615864
The gay token guy in the Stormlight Archive made me cringe so hard that I had to drop the series.

>>17615848
I kek every time I see picrelated.
In all honesty, I don't know what was worse for Earthsea's reputation, the Ghibli film or the awful cover designs

>>17615898
oh god. poor ursula. what a horror

>>17615889
if i'm gonna have a token gay, how do i make them not cringe?

>>17615916
can't you just think of a gay person that doesn't make you cringe

>>17615916
If the character is irrelevant, don’t go out of your way to mention his sexuality, it’s pathetic.

If he’s important, own it. Don’t shy way from it. Your novel will be much better that way. Also, don’t pretend that there are no bigots in the novel, that’s even cringier.

>>17615928
>can't you just think of a gay person that doesn't make you cringe
No.

>>17615928
Me

Any fantasy book with this general sense of aesthetics?
Something good and mature please, I don't want some goofy ass every b kungfu fightin type stuff. I'd like something like Bakker but with ancient Chinese aesthetics and philosophy

>>17615995
>>17615928
Why do you cringe? Are you afraid they’ll make you go gay?

>>17616009

>>17616020

>>17616013
it's just bantz. i know some cool gay guys.

>>17616013
They are different. I cringe when I see someone walking around with an ahegao shirt too. Doesn’t mean I think they’re gonna come up to me and try to start a fight over whether big or small tits are better.

>>17616009
Literally Earthsea. >>17615844

And they say Bakker cant write women.

Utterly based

>>17616061
Forgot pic t. phoneposter

Threadly reminder to read Bakker. Start with The Darkness That Comes Before. The Second Apocalypse series is part of the /sffg/ canon. Not understanding Bakker memes renders you blind to most of the relevant discussion that goes on here.

Where's the guy that was posting sanderson's worst pages?

We've all seen the stick one, but there was another which was worse imo

>>17616134
>>17612401

>>17616134
>>17616155
is it that bad? My only touch with sanderson were the later WoT novels.

>>17616155
there it is

>>17616218
>is it that bad?
Do you need people to decide that for you?

>>17616087
>bUt tHe aLiGnMeNt cHaRt iS wRoNg

>>17616061
Esmenet is one of the most realistic women in modern fantasy.

>>17616087
The Shriah is unironically better than Esmi.

>>17616363
Is this why she keeps fucking everything up and why I absolutely despise her?

>>17615494
Anything in particolar?

>>17616396
Exactly. You can't love Esmi and hate women, or vice versa. Esmi IS a woman as womanly as women irl get.

Currently reading Royal Assassin. Why doesn't Fitz just kill Regal and solve literally every problem anyone has outside of piracy?

Ask this 1--few threads ago, but I want to get into the wh40k universe, albeit I hate human sci, and find nearly all scifi attrociously boring, implausible (work as scientist), and way too often badly written, though the last is more subjective.

From the two replies I got- I should read ciaphas cain, the night lords, fulgrim, the first heretic, betrayer; some of these are series others standalone titles, and gaunt's ghosts, which I meticulously dl'd only to find out it's stupid milscifi human shite.
I'll give it a try though.
I found about the primarcsh 00-13, the names and covers suggest it's what I was looking for.

I also dl'd 54 audiobooks of The Horus Heresy, of which I understand the first 6--7 are essential prerequisites to all other reading-- is that so?

Is there are definitive timeline or guide or something for the nigh 4e2 novels about the whole shebang?

Bakker did mother-son incest (and implied brother-sister incest).

GRRM did father-daughter incest and brother-sister incest.

Do you think an index of sorts could be made for GRI?

>>17616623
All of your questions are better answered via Google, where you bad attitude does not bother anyone. You clearly don't want to get into 40k, it's not even sci-fi it's literal magic and demons in space

What does this meme mean?

>>17616694
We should use the reddit trigger warning list. I don't have the link though.

Now that Terry Pratchett is dead, did he or his estate say anything about fan works set in Discworld?

>>17616696
It means worldbuilding sucks and Cosmere and One Piece have no value

>>17616717
I have never read either of those. I assume that One Piece is a Cartoon?

>>17616694
>Bakker did mother-son incest
I will now read Bakker

>>17616724
It's implied. But the "mother" has a cock.

>>17616739
Even better.

>>17616722
It's the highest selling comic of all time, but yes there is also a cartoon.

>>17616623
>I hate most themes from wh40k
>I have to force myself to read some novels from wh40k though
why

>>17614859
>>17614883
>>17615371
>>17615427

>>17616695
I literally hate humans. I wanted to read about torture, depravity, perversion and horror, not some political, tryhard, milscifi shit.
https://www.wh40kbookclub.com/beginners-guide-to-warhammer-40000/
this and provided guide in the horus heresy torrent, are all human tale; the only this of those I'd read are the first 6 and the chaos marine series
>>17616821
It's a nice universe, built upon over 30-40 years by dozens of authors, meaning there's bound to be at least sth decent in it.
The last mil thing I tried was by Thomas Kratman, his earlier series, jesusfuckingchrist the most boring shit ever, though it could've been due to his ineptitude, later works improved much.
I wanna read some dark shit.

>>17616883
Okay so you hate what Warhammer 40k is about, but you still want to read about it?
This is folly.

>>17616883
wow, failed at taing a screenshot
what a failure of a human bean

>>17616883
>I wanted to read about torture, depravity, perversion and horror
The only faction that fits this neatly are the Dark Eldars, but every single faction in the wh40k universe is used as a backdrop for the human factions. Wh40k is literally Humanity fuck yeah!, bad science and gothic cathedrals in space: the series.

Read this post, and see if you can translate it in your brain.

Chill Sandersoys, I'm just having a laugh.

>>17616902
Fine, I'll try only the primarchs and the chaosmarine shit.
If I don't like it, nothing lost,
Seems as though there's not much a definitive guide for what I want anyways.
If I like it, I might return.
>>17616941
I remember being first introduced to it, I was rooting for the 'bad guys'. Thanks for the input, I'll see what I can find about said faction.

>>17616965
>says he hates human scifi and implausible stuff
>opts to read about Chaos Marines who are humans with magic powers
You might want to read books about the Eldar or the Tau instead maybe

>>17616963
What the fuck is this individual going on about?

>>17617010
>individual

>>17616963
Uhhhhhh...
Pizza?

>>17616963
>That jump from "We" to "I"

>>17616883
read fulgrim it's all about that

>>17616883
fabius bile stuff you might light

>>17617101
Is the dabbing on purpose?

WTF?!! I LOVE REDDIT NOW!

>>17617257
Hard proof that the bakkerspammers are all reddit refugees.
You have to go back.

>>17617257
Do they know how much we hate Sanderson?

>>17617257
I will never read Bakker

>>17617257
>Actual normies indirectly benefiting from shit-posters on 4chan.
This unironically made me smile. Thanks for the Art/Charts!

>>17617257
which subreddit is this

>>17617300
The fact that you have to ask this leads to conclude that you're:
Not gonna make it.

/r/bakker/

>>17617309
I have been to /r/ bakker but I was thinking that reddit bakker fans were ruining some reddit sffg

>>17615844
What is it about Earthsea that defies adaptations? It's not like they're necessarily BAD, but they just don't get the source material.

Euron Greyjoy is dropped into the Second Apocalypse universe. How well does he do?

>>17617320
There's a discord. Having a /sffg/ reddit makes no sense whatsoever.

>>17617328
Dies trying to sail to golgotterath

I actually started Bakkerposting here and found r/bakker afterward. I made this inchoroi meme, then someone reposted it there. They're a bunch of dweebs, the shitposters here are funnier. But reddit is better for in-depth discussion of the themes of the books, which mostly gets buried here under all the inane shitposting.

>>17617257
>>17617309
I hope Bakker gets an aneurysm.

>>17617339

I figured he is one of the sole ASOIAF characters who could do remotely well considering his attitude towards Gods and religions along with whatever secret cache of magical items he has hidden away somewhere

>>17617327
The reason the Ghibli adaptation didn't work was that Goro Miyazaki wasn't a storyteller or a creative type of any kind, he just worked in a museum and suddenly got told he has to direct a movie for the honor of his family or commit sudoku.

BAKKER CHADS!!!

LEND ME YOUR STRENGHT!!!

EVEN REDDIT IS AWAKENING!!!

IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME UNTIL OUR LORD AND SAVIOR NOTICES THIS SHIFT IN THE BALANCE!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

I only enjoy my own fantasy and sci-fi writing. Everything else bores me.

>>17617339
>Dies trying to sail to golgotterath
>Is saved from damnation by Momas, the sea god, and made into an underwater, deep-sea octopus-Ciphrang. Ok, I'll go back to r/bakker now.

>>17617287
>>17617344

he looks troubled

>>17617410
he looks like the cool friend in junior high where you'd go to his basement in the country, smoke weed and drink beer, listen to metal records, and cut stuff in the backyard with a katana. then you would embark on an insane, long-winded game of Advanced Dungeons and Dragons where your party gets mauled by mind flayers, beholders, liches and outer abominations, and everyone would die in the end. pretty sick dude.

>>17617330
discords = trannies

dont go to discord servers

>>17617451
That sounds like the type of shit I used to do...

>>17617274
I knew it.
/sffg/ belongs to the /Wolfepack/

>>17617330
>>17617466
>>17614507
How many people use the discord?
The poll got like 200 votes in a few hours after being spammed there.
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655/

>>17617485
So how about that Wizard Knight?

>>17617525
That poll has been spammed over multiple discords.

>>17617525
Interesting how Bakker is always at 30% (it's been the same for 5+ days) no matter how many additional votes are casted.

>>17617575
Not sure if legit trolling or not.

Daily reminder.

>have a shortstack character named Dolores
>just remembered that Lolita was a nickname from Dolores
Should o change her name? Don’t want anyone to think I’m writing stealth pedo shit.

>>17618040
Thank (you) for this neutral and unbiased take from r/bakker.

>>17618057
people are gonna think of umbridge from hp for that ur cool

>>17618091
No problem friend. It's irrefutable, I know.
I didn't write it.

>>17616739
It's outright stated it happened during his childhood.

I don't read fantasy, but I write it.

I like to write them like regular fiction books with emphasis on character and plot and toss in dragons, griffins, giants, and monsters and shit.

Magic systems are beyond lame. I prefer vague magic which leaves a lot to the imagination, but is somewhat present. Magic systems can lead to anime tier shitfests in your book and that shit is so fucking lame

Reminder this happened last week. The Bakkerfags successfully summoned their Master to /sffg/.

>>17616739
she didn't when it happened

>>17618190
is bakker an alchie, he's always drinking

>>17617451
I unironically used to have this aesthetic
Damn I miss mid 2000s

>>17618205
>is bakker an alchie
He's Canadian. No need for the pleonasm.

>>17618203
>>17618168
Dudes, I'm trying to be silly here, Ok? Spoilers free?

Also, What I meant to say is that no actual scene happens in the narrative, with the exception of the skin-spy one

>>17618190
I just hope that this is not a ruse.

>>17618190
Post the other one about weed. In fact, post as many as you've got, fuck it.

OK, riddle me this /sffgay/

What are the arguments against the Consult?
Impossible mode:
What are the arguments against the Consult on Earwa?

>>17618214
I was always a slim-fat guy (i.e. never had abs).

I'm cute though.

>>17618243
they are evil

>>17618243
Well it's a fuckin pyramid scheme, for one. Who's to say you're going to be one of the lucky 144,000 who survives long enough to get annihilation when he dies?

The other argument is that the whole plan hinges upon the certainty that it will work. The idea sounds insane. Why would it work? Why the magic number of 144,000? Where did the idea come from, and how do you know it isn't just made up to justify the omnicidal dreams of evil, deranged people? The inchoroi on Earwa are the ignorant, degenerated remnant of a remnant, why should anyone believe them?

>>17618307
yeah, i always expected that even if they got down to 144,000 (biblical number of the elect in revelations, btw), that it still wouldn't close the world. the inchoroi already failed on countless other planets despite reducing the populations to 12K^2; why is eärwa really so special?

i like in Bakker's writing that nothing is ever clearly certain as to being necessarily one way or another, that no single perspective is objectively true and the reader should doubt the accuracy of every character's viewpoint. he shares that with Wolfe.

>>17618307
>Why would it work?
The No-God books will answer that surely :)

>>17618243
1. Lots of people are OK with the gods. The fact a random slave in the middle of the great ordeal was with Yatwer and a random thane was with Gilgaol, despite the horrid stuff he was probably party to, suggests ordinary people are saved all the time. Most of these people probably would prefer eternity with their favored god and other chosen ones over oblivion.

2. Some great souls can become ciphrang themselves. These people will be happy enough to enable the damnation of others.

3. The progenitos already "solved" Tekne apparently. The Outside is the last frontier. A curious enough mind wouldn't want to be locked out of exploring this forever.

4. Most people don't want to die but they'd have to for the closure to happen.

>>17618307
And here's the real question: if the No-God is in Golgotterath, and the continued existence of the No-God guarantees the eventual success of the Consult's plan as the childless population ages and dies, and Golgotterath is an almost-impregnable fortress, why did the No-God leave Golgotterath and make its way south during the First Apocalypse?

>>17618351
apparently they aren't patient enough
also could it maybe be that it makes for a better story? next question.

>>17618351
probably because there's some kind of time limit/the host burning out.

>>17618371
could be less they aren't patient and more 300 year old human sorcerors knowing they have only a couple of years left before they die and not wanting to go to hell

>>17618371
It certainly does, but my theory is the NG has a will of its own and desires that don't necessarily overlap with those of its creators

>>17618307
>>17618336
[SPOILER]The Dunyain wouldn't just take prophecy as proof. I'm sure they've seen evidence for the plan to have some soundness to it.

My theory is that while the No-God was around it killed a ton of people until the inverse fire showed something besides damnation. Then the No-God died, population quickly bounced back up and the inverse fire showed damnation again. They must've estimated how many people were alive back then and set that number as their target. [/SPOILER]

>>17618342
one ongoing question that's never resolved regards the universality of damnation. we get the sense that 99% of the characters we read about are damned, with some saved by gods seemingly at random. but every damned soul we read about happen to be sinners, sorcerers, scalpers, cannibal ordealmen, etc.

for the average caste-menial farmer, dockworker, slave, etc., who lived a good and honest life, what's the likelihood they'd be saved? since it's unknown, the proposition resembles pascal's wager. it's something we face ourselves in this world, and unironically why Bakker has Christpilled so many through his vivid, unforgettable depiction of damnation.

>>17618411
interesting

Bakkergen truly took over.

>>17618418
I wonder what it means to be saved by a bellicose god.

Do good medics spend eternity fighting illness, like a never ending-shift at the ER?

>>17618469
Feels good to be on the winning side of an astroturf, gj my fellow Reddit and Discord brethren

>>17617368
did you fags read the howl's castle books? how are they?

>>17618741
pretty comfy

I need some science fiction to read.

>>17616883
is that a linux/unix-like distro? name tho?

>>17615844
What makes this so good?

>>17617525
>How many people use the discord?
There are 276 members in the sffg discord.

About to start this bad boy. What can I expect?

Last book was probably the weakest in the series. But the ending ended up being kino.

>>17618911
How many of them are trannies?

>>17618935
Shit's about to get really, really real.
Some prefer the more "human scaled" politicking of the earlier books, but the. last two books are my favorite in the series. Bakker does not hold back on the rapidly upscaling levels of madness, damnation, and profound spiritual and philosophical doubt.

>>17618431
ty

>>17618935
3 and 4 are much better than 1 and 2

>>17618986
>>17618959
Achamian's voyage on 1 and 2 dragged for quite a while. I was surprised when he jumped straight to Ishuäl in the Interlude.

Sorwell was mostly alright.

Sumna was probably the best part. virtually no White-Luck-Warrior though, which was somewhat silly.

>>17618821
It's void linux; what you're seeing is lf, a filemanger/browser written in go.

>>17619006
Meant to say Momnem.

>>17618935
I think the Sorweel/Serwa/Moe plot really drags in TGO, I did not give a shit about any of the new characters introduced in their part of this book and almost none of it affects the other threads. In fact I think in this one, as well as WLW, you really feel the drag of the story being split up into four separate pieces that don't interact at all. But hey, unlike most I loved the slog of Akka's story in all four of these (maybe it's the insight into what Bakker's D&D campaign was like), and no one else seems to have a problem with the Sor/Ser/Moe adventure, so what do I know?

>>17618411
The First Apocalypse got nowhere close to the number.

>>17618911
Only interested if you have cute boys

>>17619053
I like all stuff nonmen so for me the trip story was a treat.

>>17618911
What do you people actually discuss there?

>>17619073
Same, the entire Ishterebinth sequence is spellbinding. Also you get to meet the Survivor, who is one of the most interesting characters in the whole. series imo. Also, you get to find out what really troubles Proyas. >>17619006

>>17619053
I also really liked the slog of slogs for the most part.

I think it would've worked better as a single novel, up until the plots of the ordeal, esmenet and akka come together in the end and you could have the final book for that. Esmenet's plot has characters dying as soon as they become very interesting to me, which was pretty annoying; the stuff in the empire could also be it's own novel with more POVs.

>>17618935
Akka vs the wracu was pure kino

>>17619139
Incariol's death was anti-climatic.

>“Too what? Too harsh? You don’t understand what it was like! Every infant stillborn for eleven years—for eleven years, Kellhus! Ever since the No-God’s awakening, every womb a grave … And you could feel him—no matter where you were. He was an ever-present horror in every heart. You need only look to the horizon, and you would know his direction. He was a shadow, an intimation of doom …
>“There are no words, Kellhus, for the dread and determination that moved us. We fought with reckless abandon, intent only on spitting our dying breath against the Foe. We sang no hymns, intoned no prayers—we’d forsworn these things. Instead, we sang our own dirges, bitter laments for our people, our race. We knew that after we passed only the toll we exacted from our foe would survive to sing for us!
holy shit Bakker, Book Two is cranking it up early

This is such a fucking drag. The pacing is complete and total garbage.

>>17619074
Bakker probably

>>17619237
Lovely cover art though

If the discord is legit and discusses Bakker, I would kind of be interested in joining.
Is it any good?

>His little brother called out for him. He found him, grasped him, cold fingers opposite a burning palm.
>And he coupled with the sinuous image writhing before him, arched in answer to the man's black-haired grunting, spilled his seed to the girl's high blonde cries.

>>17619265
>falling for consult tricks
anon....

>>17619144
No it was perfect. I think he more or less beat his race's curse to not be able to end themselves. Incariol truly reached enlightenment at the end. It was what he wanted.

>>17618911
Someone invite F Gardner. I know some of you know him.

>>17619107
I'll never forgive bacuck for not giving Inrilatas a bigger role.

>>17619285
He’s in some of the private servers from what I’ve heard. I doubt he’d grace us with his presence.

>>17618190
>differentiated i
>divorce yourself from pure reality
>divorce yourself
>divorce
is Bakker going through a divorce? is that why he's been so quiet? is he trying to tell us that?

if so, i'm sure there are some hot, mentally ill goth girls who would move to canada for that

>>17619340
*for that BDC

>>17619340
I would very unironically and very seriously and very non memeish talk with Bakker if I had the chance. There is no guarantee we'll love each other, as there is literally no guarantee in life, but I would give the man a chance if he would give me a chance. I'm pure virgin autism though

>>17619285
This. I want to meet my hero.

>>17619385
Same but I'm not nearly well-read enough to be able to discuss philosophy with him, he'd go full Kellhus on me.

>>17619417
better that than full Neil

>>17619417
Does it trouble you?

>>17619695
yes actually but i'm working on it

>>17619045
nice one

I'm cool with anti-sanderson posting, but I don't get the love for bakker.

>>17619916
He's good

>Is this the house of a *sane* King?

>>17619919
No he isn't. You guys just like him because he pisses off feminists and redditors

>Keep her as she goes, you witless woodenhead! Row, you spineless slave-sons! That’s Thwil Bay and the Knoll of Roke, as any fool could see! Row!
Thanks whoever shilled Earthsea. It's so comfy. I fucking love the sea, my dream is to live by the sea and this book seems to fulfill my greatest wishes. High magic, fantasy and the sea.

>>17619916
It's 1 guy shitposting.

>>17620055
It's honestly the most comfy, simple, yet beautiful and evocative fantasy series I've ever read, and I've read every author that's talked about here regularly. Earthsea is wonderful.

My favorite books are 2, 3 and 5.

>>17614859

As a non-american I find the concept of multiple races living in the same place in harmony but without intermixing to be low-key racist. Its a purely american thing.

<<We live together in harmony, but we would never let our daughters marry them anyways>>

Its ridiculous. Multiple ethnicities living in peace in the same place for hundreds of years end up as a single ethnicity. You can see it all over history. If they havent mixed yet its because they hate each other's guts!!!

>>17620151
>If they havent mixed yet its because they hate each other's guts!!!
Welcome to America, bro. All racial groups here basically hate each other. The only exception would be baizuo white liberals, who are perhaps the peak expression of white racism, vociferous in hating their own race, yet adopting the most dehumanizing stance towards other races.

>>17620151
Caste societies end up making their own ethnicities.

>>17620053
Do you sincerely believe this? Or are you simply baiting?

>>17620114
Believe me when I say this. It’s two, at least.

>>17620114
I'd realistically estimate 5 to 10 regular bakkerposters.

>>17620252
>>17620267
>>17620114

See >>17618040

>>17618040
>invested in the cosmere
>have spent a lot of money
wait so sanderson is running some kind of membership-based pyramid scheme?

>>17620308
>He doesn’t know

The cosmere is a massive DLC style universe. Everything is connected, and you need to buy everything he publishes to really follow certain “world-hopping” characters.

>>17620187

Castes happens when one race conquers another, therefore, they are not living in harmony.

>>17620352
You don’t know what a cast is, so please shut up. You’re embarrassing yourself.

>>17620361

Aryans conquer dravidians -> caste system
Spanish conquer mesoamericans -> caste system

Not always, but sometimes.

Obviously Rowling ripped her off, but who was really the better writer? I think Le Guin, she is truly unique as a fantasy author and even though I don't consider myself a feminist, I think her exploration of gender in the context of the genre are really worthwhile. Rowling doesn't accomplish anything half as interesting in seven books.

>>17620537
definitely le guin, hands down.

Just finished The Judging Eye...clarity required and spoilers ahead
- Mimaras ability is to see the morality of a situation or person?
- Mimaras chorae she initially hated due to its anti sorcery effect - however when viewed with the judging eye it is in fact extremely holy and was able to repudiate the hell gate?
- what was it exactly that caused the topos? It’s mentioned the nonmem had hundreds of human slaves sealed away but also that man betrayed the nonmem?
- if the chorae is most holy does that mean sorcery is most evil?

Also mad bants with Kelmonas, routing for you little fella

>>17616009
Reverend Insanity. It goes all the way into xiaxia bullshiit, but the actual characters and setting are very grounded.

>>17620267
You're underestimating how severe this level of autism is. It's 2 guys at best, and a few ironic shitposting tourists each thread.

>>17619237
fucking space dogs

Why does everyone and everything in Earwa (sranc, skinspies, wracu, etc.) have a thicc upward curving benis that pokes them in the belly button? What did you mean by this, Scott? Are you describing your own peen and think they all look that way? It's it somehow a result of Inchoroi tekne? I know you're here fucker, answer me!

>>17620562
LITERALLY READ AND FIND OUT

>>17620603
Is this hangover I’m detecting?

Is Mimara in the process of rediscovering Aporos?
Assuming we ever got The No-God.

>>17620562
1. never explained
2. never explained
3. never explained beyond what usually causes them
4. never explained

Don't worry, I'm sure it will be explained in the third trilogy ;)

and Kelmomas is going to seriously escalate his game so get ready for fun

>>17620693
That's just your dad's cum dripping out of your asshole. Stay seated.

>>17620707
This is what speed reading does to you.

>>17620562
I don't think these are spoilers but stuff that should be clear by the point you've gotten to so:

>Mimaras ability is to see the morality of a situation or person?
She sees the causes and ultimate effects of damnation. The judgement of the gods on each soul.
>Mimaras chorae she initially hated due to its anti sorcery effect - however when viewed with the judging eye it is in fact extremely holy and was able to repudiate the hell gate?
Chorae negates sorcery. The gods hate sorcery because it corrodes reality in some way. Gods are cool with chorae because it restores natural order.
>what was it exactly caused the topos
Just extreme emotions. There was a lot of suffering there as there was on the battlefield where bones rose up in the original trilogy.
>sorcery is most evil
In the sense that the gods hate it, sure. Morality comes down to might makes right and the gods are mightiest.

>>17620729
why are you like this

>>17620729
No wonder this rodeo has kept going for months now. I’ll make sure to make my contribution since you’ll be here forever.

This fucking thread has been so good. Only Bakkerposting all around.

>>17620802
I’ve started reading Bakker a month ago, mostly because of the amount of noise that you people do here. And I really have to say that his prose is subliminal. It elevates the story telling to a completely new level rarely seen in fantasy.

>>17620562
>what was it exactly that caused the topos?
The nonmen’s treatment of their ewama slave race. That’s also why the humans betrayed them. They saw how horrible it was and decided not to stomach the injustice

SA VERY crackpot theory:
Kelhus is Onkis somehow. The head on a pole = the head impaled on the copper tree. If the outside is really atemporal he could've done everything the head on a pole did before dying. Onkis is described as a prophetess of the motivations of men, which sounds very Dunyain. How can Onkis be Kelhus and female both? Kelhus had a woman's soul, being a tranny. SHE was sexually attracted to Cnaiur, which is why SHE spared him before, and to Proyas, obviously. Bakker is afraid of losing the incel market he captured by offending feminists so he has been rethinking this whole angle for years.

done with horus rising;
other than the pathetically shallow politics, and annoying names, and predictability, them getting killed was nice enough, i really dunno if i can/should suffer 4 more books or just jump to fulgrim

But what if Kelhus was Azor Ahai?

>>17620755
Based.

>>17618844
It's not good, but you get bonus points for saying you liked it. It's dry and dull.

>>17617257
As expected

>>17617257
I feel ashamed of this general now. I'm taking a break.

>>17621025
Good

>>17620743
Does it trouble you?

>>17619074
>>17619242
Bakker read starts on the 28th. We're currently reading the Luke gospel. Also there's random shitposting.

>>17618819
May I suggest to you the Gap Cycle by Stephen R Donaldson?
picrel current read

sci fi and fantasy should strive to be more like other genres. It's too copycat and bereft of palatable prose.

>>17621533
You should try having sex with an owl. It's great.

This is a test. This is simply a test of spoiler formatting.

Bakker: fag
Sanderson: fag
Greg Egan: based

This was a test. This was simply a test of spoiler formatting.

I don't understand. Why tell us in english what was said in Alethi? Could Sanderson not simply say "I speak for the king," in that respective language?

>>17621849
Gotta bloat that page count.

>>17621833
sneed

>>17621872
sex with your mom

>>17619285
I’ll send it to him. What’s the discord?

Stepped on dog shit today. Day ruined.

>>17621879
No one has it?

Any Battletech recommendations?

>>17621897
Does it trouble you?

So I found a place to read MEG: Night Stalkers, the megalodon book, but its asking me to complete a survey before I can keep reading. Adblock doesn't work, so is there any way I can cheat the system?

>>17616473
Jfc, you gonna tip your fedora and fatly snicker "m'lady" after that?

>>17621966
Yea I wanted to call him a faggot to his face.

>>17617410
No, he looks autistic and smug

>>17617410
He looks like GRRM.

>>17617257
I fucking knew it. A bunch of redshit spammers came in here and shitted on everything we oldfags built. Fuck rebbit.

Haven't finished a book in a year or two. Anyone have a suggestion of an easier to read novel - preferably standalone to get me back into the groove? I feel like I just need to get into the habit and practice of reading before jumping right into it. Tried to read Blood Meridian and it so fucking dense. I enjoy it and can tell its great, but its too far above my level right now. I fried my brain with the internet I think.

t. retarded noob

>>17622120
The Burning Isle

>>17620562
>- if the chorae is most holy does that mean sorcery is most evil?
have you not read any of the other books
yes sorcery is extremely evil, always is

>>17622120
Mans search for meaning

>>17622061
He must’ve eaten nothing but combo meals to lose his original form so easily. Damn.

Is there a website to read books where the deal is you make an account and only pay after a certain time? Like you get a free trial week and then have to pay to keep using it?

>>17622175
just steal lol

>>17622061
What went wrong, martinbros?

>>17622180
Im >>17621972 and lemme tell you I'm fucking trying

>>17622172
>>17622183
>Fat? Fat, is it? Is that how you speak to your king? Ah, damn you, anons, why are you always right?

>>17622120
The Algebraist is self contained and pretty fun.

>>17622061
HIS WIFE'S CUNT BECAME THE WORLD

>>17622215
Appreciate the recc, but over 500 pages is a bit much for me rn. Hoping for something under 300

blag seed in beach :DDDDD

>>17622172
>>17622183
He doesn't eat more, he just shits less.

>>17622346
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28765741-spiderlight

>>17622358
Gods, it was brown water then.

>>17622120
Start with short stories.

Here is a funny fantasy about reverse entropy: http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/tang_07_19/

>>17622370

god, can you imagine being one of those losers who actually likes writing? What a bunch of I want to die

M’mm! M’mm!

>>17617410
>>17622061
Would fat Bakker look like GRRM today?

>>17622172
based björk poster

>>17622213
king robert looks positively slender compared to the gelatinous blob that is grrm

fuck trannies

>>17622570
what is that? Black sesame paste pie?

What's that have to do with sffg (pron. /Sfugg/)

>>17622607
>he doesn’t know

>>17622613
just explain it

>>17622637
read bakker and find out

>>17622637
seed

>>17622637
It's what Bacucks consume while watching nautical-looking negros fuck their wives.

>>17615069
>camerawork is incidental to filmmaking.
>all I need is a good script, I can film it on a 2005 shaky brick-cam if I like, then edit it terribly.

>>17622811
yes

>>17622998
any examples?

new thread
>>17623251

>>17621276
That your mother works in Sumna? Not at all.

>>17623256
Fake.

>>17623087
Your gay porno.

>>17620729
In your dreams, maybe, but in reality you’re the one being ass fucked every single day here :^) and you literally can’t stay seated from the amount of cum dripping from your rectum.

>>17623342
>no u
Try again.

>>17614507
I have a $10 gift card, whats the best fantasy book I can buy? It needs to be around $8 because of tax

>>17623395
I fucked your mum too :)

>>17623398
The “Darkness That Comes Before” by R. Scott Bakker.

>>17623408
Your dad was balls deep in my asshole, and I could barely feel it. I know from this experience that you have a tiny dick. My mom has a massive gaping gash, and that micropenis of yours wouldn't even be able to touch more than one side of her vagina at a time, meaning she'd laugh you out of the brothel.

>>17623408
And his girlfriend that time he went to the Sanderson convention, don’t forget that.

>>17623414
Unfortunately, tax cucks me if I want to buy it new, would you recommend book 1 of Malazan? That's about $7 on amazon at the moment

>>17623424
>>17623408
https://youtu.be/U1UtRnGn5hc

>>17623432
Buy the ebook. I’m sure you can find a deal.

Malazan is alright, but Bakker is simply superior.

Are the Emwama in Ishterebinth animate statues? I’m not sure I’m following.

>>17623506
they’re not-hobbits, slaves of the nonmen. why did you think they were statues?

>>17623551
I didn’t think that they even existed anymore. I thought they were non men statues. Thanks though.

>>17623572
hmm, did you miss the part where the emwama meet sorweel &co. in front of the gate of ishterebinth? they’re very clearly described as stinky, intellectually and physically stunted dwarfish humanoids. ishterebinth is full of statues but the emwama are most certainly a kind of human...?

>>17623605
I’m at that part now.

>>17623605
I thought they were animate statues and that the smell and sound were a product of magic. She states that the mark is deep in the steps.

>>17623421
>Your dad was balls deep in my asshole
I wasn’t aware that surrender could be this cringe, but ok.
It is accepted nonetheless.

>>17623732
Whatever, spawn of faggotry. You're the one with the small dick. I only had one in my ass.

>>17623768
Not my fault that my 8 Inch cock wasn’t big enough for your mother’s loose cunt.

>>17624044
Not fooling anyone, and I already know from experience that smol pps run in your family.

>>17624058
You seem to be experienced in being ass fucked. What do you use now? Is everyone in your family as loose as your mother?