/lit/ - Literature

Nigger i started with the greeks because I'm gay

>>17594345
filtered

>>17594345

>>17594345

> communism of women and children
> suddenly /lit/ gets access to all the arthoe and cunny it might want.
Your move, faggot.

>>17594364
Wojak is an alt-right dogwhistle. Nice try /pol/, trying to make me think about the non-political of things

How is The Republic literally communism?

>>17594345
The city has 1000 guardians in a novel system and however many slaves required to support them in the other system. Don't read Aristotle, you'll shit yourself when he talks about land equality.

>>17594345
If you don't consider the founders of the west's entire intellectual history trad, you just don't know what tradition means.

Plato was basically a neoliberal. He wanted us to be ruled by "experts" like we are today.

>>17594345
>9 replies
Yup, you got em. Good one.

>>17595937
Everything was held in common in The Republic, very similar to The Laws (but with more marked property rights in The Laws).

It's an idyllic world, they are allowed to state that sort of thing. It's socialist in the sense that Acts 4 is socialist.

did we read the same book? is this the same plato that wants a highly hierarchical society whose legitimacy is based on the lie that different men are born from either brass, silver, or gold and depending on which determines their place in said hierarchy? is this the same plato who advocated for a eugenics program to ensure the long-term survival of the state?
>>17596099
dumb af take - neoliberalism = leadership w/ access to some 'special knowledge'? even monarchists claim the king has some divine sense of judgement

>>17594345
Isn't that quote from Diogenes, not Socrates? Also, I don't see how the Republic is any more communist than actual fascism itself.

>3 more replies
Wow, it keeps going! This one really landed

>>17596143
Fascism, as Hitler promoted it and raised his movement, was a worker's party movement.

Worker's party movement forms of socialism are logistically inferior to idyllic peacetime forms of socialism, because they are all action and no theory.

The problem with utopias though is that they are all theory and no action.

>>17594345
>>17594364
>>17595948
In all fairness if you go back to the Greeks and any political philosophy before the French Revolution you're going to find aspects of both left wing and right wing thought because those afterward were influenced by the same authors. You also have to keep in mind that Ancient Greek society wasn't exactly the same as modern society. Property did exist but not in the same way you see under a modern capitalistic economy.

>>17596201
No shit sherlock. Obviously today's political spectrum is retarded and too poorly defined, yet ABSOLUTELY defined.

Try having ANYTHING like a reasonable conversation about these topics in real life without being bombarded with retarded political dogma.

>>17594345
gayto and suckrates and scroterates and senecum

>>17594364
Spot on.

>>17594573
>Wojak is an alt-right dogwhistle

>>17594573
dogwhistle is a neoliberal dogwhistle

>>17594573
Everytime I see a wojak or a cartoon frog I am immediately informed (subtly) that the poster is a hardcore nazi like me who not only hates jews, but hates blacks and LGBTQ+ people aswell.

Heil hitler.

>>17594345
>liberalism is actually conservative
>authoritarianism is liberal

>>17596488
based

>>17596488

>>17594345
>communism
>strong classes, no internationalism, elitism
>can't tell apart fascism from communism
Nice bait

>>17596488

>>17594345
>>start with the Greeks bro its super fashy and trad
Nothing more trad than fucking twinks. RETVRN!

>>17597587
>fucking twinks.
Not what they were doing brainlet

>>17595952
Pretty much. /pol/tards think 1950s American consumerist society is the tradition.

>>17594364
op cant recover

>>17595952
>>17597615
meds aren't white

>>17594345
Communism is unironically a healthier system for the future of a nation then rampant liberalism, is you think otherwise you are literally leftwing.

>>17594364
OP fucking obliterated

>>17597621
>>17597738
Samefag

>>17597700
YWNBW

>>17594345
Here in East whenever people think of Meds or Europe in general, they think of that place as an Epicurean garden and not the mutt capitalist crowded consoomerist shithole.
The spirit of Europe is Socialist.

>>17594345
>he thinks Hellenistc city states are part of the same nation
Athenians annoyed everybody.
You need to start earlier with pre-Heraclean hero myths, then Iliad and Odyssey, then the lyric poets and Herodotus.
If you don't do this you won't have a proper understanding to contextualise the Peloponnesian war.
also
>taking the republic literally
you're ngmi
indeed, /pol/ was a mistake, you losers have managed to sour Sir Mosley's legacy with your cringegay American anime fascism, fucking CIA ops losers just as bad as Frankfurt School leftism (defanged neoliberal overflow mechanism).

>>17597587
This but unironically.

>>17594345
All these traditionalists who are obsessed with the Greeks are huge closet homos, let’s be real here.

>women bad
>let’s return to the good ol’ days of boy love

>>17598076
>you need to start even earlier than the classics
the state of /lit/

>>17598117
do you honestly like living under gynocracy?

>>17598135
You could say I like being underneath women at times.

>>17594345
> bans intellectuals from your ideal state
> some shitposter a few thousand years later calls you a communist

>>17598119
The truth is a bitter pill.

>>17594345
Plato was a feminist too

>>17598187
so why are they undermining him?

>>17598163
The liberal elite like women because women more readily go with the program. Men are more stubborn/individualist/what-have-you.

Part of me likes the idea of women being in-charge and me being used purely for breeding and pleasure, but I’m a switch too.
Only insecure little boys are absolutely terrified of submitting to a woman.

>>17598135
>Hypseus raised his lovely-armed daughter Cyrene. She did not care for pacing back and forth at the loom, nor for the delights of luncheons with her stay-at-home companions; instead, fighting with bronze javelins and with a sword, she killed wild beasts, providing great restful peace for her father's cattle; but as for her sweet bed-fellow, sleep, she spent only a little of it on her eyelids as it fell on them towards dawn. Once the god of the broad quiver, Apollo who works from afar, came upon her wrestling alone and without spears with a terrible lion. Immediately he called Cheiron from out of his halls and spoke to him: “Leave your sacred cave, son of Philyra, and marvel at the spirit and great strength of this woman; look at what a struggle she is engaged in, with a fearless head, this young girl with a heart more than equal to any toil; her mind is not shaken with the cold wind of fear. From what mortal was she born? From what stock has this cutting been taken, that she should be living in the hollows of the shady mountains and putting to the test her boundless valor? Is it lawful to lay my renowned hand on her? And to cut the honey-sweet grass of her bed?” And the powerful Centaur, laughing softly with a gentle brow, right away gave his wise advice in reply: “Hidden are skilled Persuasion's keys to holy love, Phoebus, and both gods and men blush to take the pleasure of a bed for the first time openly. For even in your case, for whom it is unlawful to touch on falsehood, a gentle impulse has swayed you to dissemble your words. You ask me from what race the girl comes, lord Apollo? You who know the appointed end of all things, and all the paths that lead to them? And how many leaves the earth puts forth in spring, and how many grains of sand in the sea and in rivers are dashed by the waves and the gusting winds; and that which will be, and from where it will come, all this you clearly see. But if I must match myself even against one who is wise, I will speak. You came to this glen to be her husband, and you will bear her over the sea to the choicest garden of Zeus, where you will make her the ruler of a city, when you have gathered the island-people to the hill encircled by plains. And now queen Libya of the broad meadows will gladly welcome your glorious bride in her golden halls. There she will right away give her a portion of land to flourish with her as her lawful possession, not without tribute of all kinds of fruit, nor unfamiliar with wild animals.

Pythian IX by Pindar

The lesson is you know fuck all about women or the classics and are talking out of your arse, you're a lonely bitter wanker.

>>17594345
>fashy trad globohomo
stop being gay

>>17598209
women are midwits who only lust after chad's cock 24/7. "submitting to women" as a sub vs "submitting to women" in society is two totally different things. Society "submitting to women" is bad for 90% of males.
>>17598211
shut up retarded cunt. the Greeks hated your kind and so do I.

>>17598238
There’s plenty of smart women. There might be more outliers with men, but still.
I think it’s unfair to say men are less driven by their genitalia tho

>>17596161
>The problem with utopias though is that they are all theory and no action.

No, that's the point of a utopia. This fucking board I swear to god

>>17598238
>the Greeks hated women
The Greeks venerated some women as gods, and Mary is an icon under Christianity.
You're twisted because you have not experienced true love because you played video games too much during your formative years.
A broken man (child).

>>17596134
>Everything was held in common in The Republic
I believe that only applied to the ruling class (Guardians) and the military (auxiliaries) with the idea of removing material desire from those in authority, if you were a private citizen you were allowed to own private property. Can't speak for Laws though.

>>17598198
Barely anybody reads primary sources anymore, instead prefering to parrot a critique they inhereted from some modish political influencer.

>>17598286
This is so much cope. females, being as Aristotle said being "a male malformed in the womb" are stupider, uglier, inferior versions of men. Goddesses? They are feminine spirits not "females." Pretty much men with boobs and vagina. Mary? She was the only woman ever born without original sin. Both mythologies agreed that females were responsible for the damnation of mankind whether eve or pandora. And guess what? Women never stopped being that way.
>true love with a woman
women cannot know true love. They are too basic. Their sense perception is too surface level. No woman ever can imagine what's "inside" the mind of a man, in a word his soul. Because women lack souls and project a lack of souls unto the fairer gender (men).

>>17598245
And I’m not implying women can’t be individualist or whatever either. You just get less of that trait on average and less extreme examples like the Kaczynsky types.

I don’t know what the research actually says, I realize I’m talking about this crudely.

>>17598330
You don't even need to deviate from the example of Cyrene given above to see that the divine seperation of female and feminine is a hamfisted contrivance as much as your film comparison above is a false equivalence.
Also who on earth do you think you are bringing Bridget Jones' Diary and some fucking Anime into a conversation on the classics?
You are so caught up in your own subjective perception that you need to correspond everything to contemporary popular culture, you absolute fucking Gayboy.

>>17598407
>You are so caught up in your own subjective perception that you need to correspond everything to contemporary popular culture, you absolute fucking Gayboy.
nah, i'm just smart and creative enough to talk about anime, movies, and classics at the same time unlike stratified bugfoids such as yourself.

>>17596488
>88
based post and based get

>>17598447
>smart
>movies
smart people watch films anon

>>17597593
>tries to start with the greeks
>doesn't smash bussy to fully understand the greeks
Filtered

>>17598076
there is literally nothing wrong with anime fascism

>>17598294
Yes, that only applies to the Guardians. If you have to point this out it only shows he didn't bother to even read a proper resume of the book lol

>>17594345
Socrates didn't even say that, but even if he did, he meant it as a naeive Greek who saw everything still precipitate through his own civilisation.

It's an historically false to reduce it to modern Enlightenment ideas about individualism.

>>17594345
It would have been communism had Glaucon not questioned Socrates into revising it.

>>17596099
but experts in the true sense not "experts" in cheating and delusion thats why he hated democracy

>>17599388
Once again anime fascism has been blessed with the patronage of your chaotic Egyptian mystery frog deity.
Genuinely worrying.

>>17594364
This, I hate this so fucking much. This dichotomy needs to die.

>>17599440
It's relying on a quote from Plutarch referencing Socrates.
Smells like bullshit to me, especially considerng Diogenes also used the phrase.

>>17594345
Based on this and your other responses to this thread, you did not start with the Greeks. I know this because you would have been filtered long before you reached Republic, a late work.

>>17594345
>Starts with the Greeks
>Reads Plato and the Republic first

>>17594364
but we can at least agree that racism is good, right?

>>17598330
Degenerate Animenigger that made that picture knows nothing about romance

>>17600790
Some people have to start their reading list with a jumble mess of an organisation. I may not have entirely understood it the first time I read it, but I was certainly thankful for reading it.

>>17594364
based fuck lefty-rightylets

>>17598211
>you're a lonely bitter wanker
slag detected

>>17598211
btfo

>this thread

>>17598211
>>17600847
>arse
>wanker
>oim uh fokken slag innit m8 jus lyek me mum wos

>>17594345
>fake socrates quote

>>17598294
>>17599439
I believe this is the section you're talking about
>Now let the earthborn men go forth under the command of their rulers, and look about and pitch their camp in a high place, which will be safe against enemies from without, and likewise against insurrections from within. There let them sacrifice and set up their tents; for soldiers they are to be and not shopkeepers, the watchdogs and guardians of the sheep; and luxury and avarice will turn them into wolves and tyrants. Their habits and their dwellings should correspond to their education. They should have no property; their pay should only meet their expenses; and they should have common meals

But there are various other instances of when this idyllic community reaches its pitch, and not only things for military or rulers are had in common. See the following

>Education, I said, and nurture: If our citizens are well educated, and grow into sensible men, they will easily see their way through all these, as well as other matters which I omit; such, for example, as marriage, the possession of women and the procreation of children, which will all follow the general principle that friends have all things in common, as the proverb says.

>The law, I said, which is the sequel of this and of all that has preceded, is to the following effect,—'that the wives of our guardians are to be common, and their children are to be common, and no parent is to know his own child, nor any child his parent.'

https://voca.ro/12j5fu0x6OeW

>>17600921
they all are

>>17600938
at least some are not from AD

>>17600950
Ossian is real and Socrates never existed.

No platos republic was fascism
Communism only was thought of when abolishing a the capitalist system of wage slavery and class inequality

>>17600965
Communist was also Thersites in the Iliad.

>>17600965
I think the argument should logically be that Plato's Republic was inherently socialist.

I know for a fact that The Laws was.

Neither was Fascist, which was a term invented after Communism you retard.

>>17600935
>'that the wives of our guardians are to be common, and their children are to be common
>of our guardians

99% of the entire Republic that deals with people is dealing solely with the Guardians. The common people are brushed over near the beginning, and pretty much everything he says after that only applies to the guardians, and their families, including this part. This communal child rearing only applies to the guardians' children and to those other children who show the "spirit" necessary to become guardians.

>>17600965
>Communism only was thought of when abolishing a the capitalist system of wage slavery and class inequality
You wanna learn how to speak ingles you fucking Brazilian?

>>17600981
no! thersites only repeated what achillies said

>>17600984
Socialist didn't exist in that time either you dumb motherfucker. But The Republic was clearly fascist and only people who don't know what terms mean argue otherwise.

>>17600965
Let's all laugh at this stupid faggot

>>17601002
filtered

>>17600990
>This communal child rearing only applies to the guardians' children
I hate to burst your bubble faggot, but The Republic was not just about 'MUH MILITARY MEN'.

Obviously, I literally quoted a passage which states that the CITIZENS are supposed to have women and children in common.

Tropes are repeated throughout the book, it's no surprise he singled out the guardians again and again for that sort of thing, I quoted that, but The Republic is NOT strictly about military men at all, entire chapters are digressions into the nature of how this civilization would radically change and mold their civilians to purify their souls/civilization.

What you need to do is read The Laws, and read all of the different regulations that the Athenian Stranger laid down for sharing property necessarily and then get back to me.

Jfc...

Neetchfags literally cannot fucking meme

>>17600990
communally rear your ass onto my cock faggot

>>17601003
>Socialist didn't exist in that time either you dumb motherfucker.
The first forms of socialism that were terminologically propounded were made by Christians.

The form of socialism that Plato had in mind is exemplified in Laws, but it does say that the citizens should have property in common in The Republic.

>>17601036
The first forms of socialism that were terminologically propounded were made by my balls, faggot.

My fucking God, every single person trying to compartmentalize Plato's republic into the contemporary left/right dichotomy should be hanged drawn and quartered. This is a fucking embarrassing thread and you should all be ashamed

>>17601086
gonna cry?

>>17601086
Plato wanted communism for the rulers and fascism for the rest. It's just like academia is communist bad the retards are trying to make communism for the common people instead of fascism. Plato was superior.

>>17601160
>bad
but*

Also fuck you we can apply whatever contemporary political concepts we want retard

>>17601086
When the fuck old man's stick will break?

>>17601173
Hobbes is playing with him

>>17601204
Yeah things would be boring without his stick.

>>17601027
>Obviously, I literally quoted a passage which states that the CITIZENS are supposed to have women and children in common.
Firstly, the passage you quoted doesn't say that at all, it explicitly singles out the guardians. I just re-read the first part of book 5. From 449a to 466d, the part explaining all this, it is frequently specified that these guardians are the only people to whom this great way of living will be offered. It is this way of living that is separating the guardians from the rabble in order to remain virtuous.

>"“This, then, Glaucon, is the manner of the community of wives and children among the guardians... “But what of your guardians. Could any of them think or speak of [463c] his co-guardian as an outsider?” “By no means,” he said; “for no matter whom he meets, he will feel that he is meeting a brother, a sister, a father, a mother, a son, a daughter, or the offspring or forebears of these.... "

>"at present we were making our guardians guardians and the city as a whole as happy as possible, and that we were not modelling126 our ideal of happiness with reference to any one class?” “I do remember,” he said. “Well then, since now the life of our helpers127 has been shown to be fairer and better than that of the victors at Olympia, [466b] need we compare128 it with the life of cobblers and other craftsmen and farmers?” “I think not,” he said."

>"“It is obvious that they will march out together,134 and, what is more, will conduct their children to war when they are sturdy, in order that, like the children of other craftsmen,135 they may observe the processes of which they must be masters in their maturity; and in addition to looking on [467a] they must assist and minister in all the business of war and serve their fathers and mothers. Or have you never noticed the practice in the arts, how for example the sons of potters look on as helpers a long time before they put their hands to the clay?” “They do, indeed.” “Should these then be more concerned than our guardians to train the children by observation and experience of what is to be their proper business?” “That would be ridiculous,” he said. “But, further, when it comes to fighting, [467b] every creature will do better in the presence of its offspring?”"
Implying that the children of cobblers remain so, and are not the ones going out into the field, as the children of the guardians are.

The Republic is a model on how to properly rule a city. The notion that every man in a city could be bound by these noble laws of the guardians is not something Plato found tenable. There are many passages throughout his works that allude to his thinking that most common people are just stupid or blind, and that philosophers are above that, and should rule. This class of warrior-philosophers are who he is discussing throughout the Republic.

>>17601169
>Also fuck you we can apply whatever contemporary political concepts we want retard
No. Classical systems are so foreign to the contemporary mind that you mistake stars reflected in a pond for the night sky should you uncover any perceived similarity. Communism, natsoc, democracy, and all other liberal ideologies are not even on the same plane of existence as Plato's ideal

>>17601311
The left and right dichotomy is deeply ingrained in human nature and refers at its most fundamental kernel to how you balance reason and instincts. It's agnostic to cultures, but you just don't know what they are.

>>17601016
prove me wrong faggot

>>17601406
you already read marxist interpretations of the iliad so you're hopeless

>>17601362
the political compass was made up by some urbanite faggot, you retard

>>17601434
οὔτέ ποτ᾽ ἐς πόλεμον ἅμα λαῷ θωρηχθῆναι
οὔτε λόχον δ᾽ ἰέναι σὺν ἀριστήεσσιν Ἀχαιῶν
τέτληκας θυμῷ: τὸ δέ τοι κὴρ εἴδεται εἶναι.
ἦ πολὺ λώϊόν ἐστι κατὰ στρατὸν εὐρὺν Ἀχαιῶν
230δῶρ᾽ ἀποαιρεῖσθαι ὅς τις σέθεν ἀντίον εἴπῃ:
δημοβόρος βασιλεὺς ἐπεὶ οὐτιδανοῖσιν ἀνάσσεις:
ἦ γὰρ ἂν Ἀτρεΐδη νῦν ὕστατα λωβήσαιο.
achillies words to agamemnon

‘225Ἀτρεΐδη τέο δ᾽ αὖτ᾽ ἐπιμέμφεαι ἠδὲ χατίζεις;
πλεῖαί τοι χαλκοῦ κλισίαι, πολλαὶ δὲ γυναῖκες
εἰσὶν ἐνὶ κλισίῃς ἐξαίρετοι, ἅς τοι Ἀχαιοὶ
πρωτίστῳ δίδομεν εὖτ᾽ ἂν πτολίεθρον ἕλωμεν.
ἦ ἔτι καὶ χρυσοῦ ἐπιδεύεαι, ὅν κέ τις οἴσει
230Τρώων ἱπποδάμων ἐξ Ἰλίου υἷος ἄποινα,
ὅν κεν ἐγὼ δήσας ἀγάγω ἢ ἄλλος Ἀχαιῶν,
ἠὲ γυναῖκα νέην, ἵνα μίσγεαι ἐν φιλότητι,
ἥν τ᾽ αὐτὸς ἀπονόσφι κατίσχεαι; οὐ μὲν ἔοικεν
ἀρχὸν ἐόντα κακῶν ἐπιβασκέμεν υἷας Ἀχαιῶν.

thersites words

you are still a faggot

>fashy
>trad
>globohomo
>communism
>Marxist interpretations of the illiad

>>17600883
Plutarch, rightly, feared the swamp dwelling Celtic femanon.
You just fear women in general.

>>17601235
>it is frequently specified that these guardians are the only people to whom this great way of living will be offered
Absolutely, the form of living.

The whole wall of text you posted was exactly what I referenced in my post you total moron.

You aren't fooling anyone, and on top of it you claim that others can't read Plato when they interpret him as Socialist, but that's exactly what The Republic was intended to be for the citizens.

I think it's time you re-read your damn books.

Also, what you are referring to there last, is how he viewed the drones, or workers. I should hope you understand that there were also philosophers. And that he collectively termed them all as 'citizens'.

>>17594345
>the Greeks were globohomo
please stop using /pol/ its destroying your brain

>>17601614

>>17594573
dogwhistle is a glownigger dogwhistle
drink bleach

>>17597700
meds invented being white, before them there were only snowniggers
and apparently there still are many.

>>17601958
you have nothing to say

>>17594345
Stoics were cosmopolitan too. It's fuckin based. Imagine thinking that it's possible for morality to be objective while also believing morality favors the people born in the geographical location you happened to be born in.

>>17597700
And that's a good thing.

>>17602011
I just don't feel like saying it, your posts depress me. I'll say a few sentences and go to bed

>Achilles said that AFTER Thersites so he didn't repeat what Achilles said
>Thersites is presented asa low class soldier while Achilles was a warrior (just like in Plato, who says the lines matter)
>You choose only a few lines that are the same but they're the same for DIFFERENT reasons: Thersites was AFRAID OF DEATH, Achilles was not--he had his purpose taken away from him by Agamemnon
>Thersites was TALKING TO THE PEOPLE trying to antagonize them against the leaders while Achilles was talking to Odysseus
I mean there are so many differences and subtleties I think the Iliad is just lost on you so what's the point of pointing all this shit to you? You're beyond retarded and can't understand the text.

>>17602066
achillies argues with agamemnon in scroll 1 and thersites rants in scroll 2

>>17602066
everything you say is bullshit

>>17602105
Achilles says Thersites lines about war being pointless when Odysseus goes to grab him
>>17602120
Eternally filtered

>>17594364
Saved! Thanks anon!

>>17601850
fear my massive bear cock you ugly faggot

>>17598187
>>17598198
>plato was a feminist
Unironically because it would make his proposed eugenics program more efficient. Its the same reason he proposed breaking up the family unit and sharing all women and children in common. To build the ultimate warrior.

>>17601850
>You just fear women in general.
I fear women giving me chlamydia.

>>17594364
Wow, actually a good one

>>17602359
Chlamydia is easily treated. You drink one foul-tasting drink and it's gone. Seriously. There are far worse STDs to worry about. Incurable ones.

>>17599995
I'm American, so I don't have any illusions about ever escaping this garbage, but I feel bad for the rest of the world that has to put up with it. America is single handedly responsible for ruining the worldwide discourse on political ideology.

>>17602359
But you're fine with men giving you it?
bit gay m8 rly

Fucking hell this board is full of absolute idiots. Go back to /pol/ you are shitting up /lit/ beyond repair.

>>17602351
Based plato

>>17594345
>Plato
There's your problem. Greeks literally invented being base, but even among them there's faggots.

>>17600807
Thank god you mentioned it first. 100% agree we should wipe out all the white people, they fucked the world up enough.

>>17602981
>btfos communism 10,000 years before Marx was even born
holy based

>>17602351
>>17602801
>being a socialist makes you a fascist

Stop pretending Plato is right wing.

>>17602758
Agreed.

>>17602006
they invented faggotry

>>17596099
well yes, neoliberals are essentially left wing fascists (which is why they're based).

>>17594573
WTF does dogwhistle mean you stupid bitch??

>>17598360
>And I’m not implying women can’t be individualist or whatever either.
Well you would be wrong for not thinking that in the first place. It's a mere fantasy to suggest otherwise.

>>17598076
Aristotle took the Republic literally. It was put forth as a legitimate system of government as well as an allegory of the soul.

>>17603763
This

>>17597700
WTF based meds????

>>17594345
low bait

>>17604272
>low bait
>150 replies

Like Nietzsche says the presocratics and sophists had the genius of spirit of the greeks, Plato and the cryptid ape known as socrates should have been stopped before it was too late

>>17594345
It's how we filter out mouth breathers whom come here either from SJW bullshit or from /pol/ bullshit

>>17594368
based and nietzchepilled

>>17594345
well yeah this is how it goes

socrates -> plato -> aristotle -> neoplatonism -> christianity -> communism

>>17602981
just change slaves to machines

>>17605026
Who installs, and who will service these machines?

>>17605026
t. has never farmed in his life
t. has never made a machine in his life either

>>17596488

>>17605066
t. has never wiped in his life

>>17605081
>noo you can't just point out that my attempt to appear as some kind of authority or answer-man is based on no experience, no knowledge, on absolutely nothing in the truest sense of the phrase
>nooooo I bet you're X, Y, or Z
Ok.

>>17605143
>words words words words words words words words words words
idk man cry about it or something

>>17605066
it's not a coincidence Marx never worked a real job or that his followers are all academics and paper pushing middlemen

>>17605026
Based

>>17598117
disregrd hypocrites who claim that valuing masculinity is unmasculine, they are either dupes or snakes.

>>17605232
Cope

>>17605250
sneed

>>17596488

>>17596488
this

>>17596488
Check em

>>17594345
i take a peak at /lit/ and this is what i see *sigh* Goodbye again

Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

>>17606204
Yeah ok bro.

>>17596488

>>17606555
Checked, trips for the Kaiser.