/lit/ - Literature

>Defund the Police
>Abolish prisons
>cheer for Kamala Harris
lol

>>17582420
kek

I don't agree with defunding the police. As a black guy who is studying to take over criminal justice administration I believe we need to diversify the police. I envision a repeat of the "Irishing" of the police in the past where enough of an ethnic group take over the profession for it to become a boon to them. There should be aggressive campaigning for African Americans to become police officers. We should focus on recruiting from the very inner city neighborhoods that they will then police. More black cops is the solution. A lot more.

>>17582464
What are your views on prisons? And is your community for the policies of Davis or against them?

>>17582311
She’s the most fucking obvious plant ever, can you even name a single other “dissident” in any other country in history that would be paraded on elite universities and neoliberal corporate magazine covers?

>>17582311
Radical Chic & Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers

>>17582311
>on the cover of a well-known magazine
I don't care who you are, if you willingly do that and have any intellectual pretension I will not take you seriously, even if on principle I agree with you. That's why I can't take Houellebecq seriously, despite his apparent edginess he's just another creature of the media. It's frightening to see how many people read him just because he's here, that don't have really opinion on his books (besides the eventual cautious remark about his view on women). Gracq was right about how ridiculous and dangerous this whole "monde des lettres" is, only now it also concerns ideas and politics. I hate the world we're forced to live in because I love the real too much.
Thank you for reading my blog post.

>>17582464
Blacks will just see black cops as uncle toms and house niggers

>>17582420
Most "Abolish prison" people are complete hypocrites who will 180 when it comes to people they despise. The others are just completely insane and should also be disregarded.
The idea of prison abolition is so absurd that it cant really exist outside of the minds of deluded intellectuals.

>>17583848
Houellebecq at least doesn't claim to be a radical communist revolutionary and then does photo-ops with celebrities and bourgeois liberal activists to encourage voting for the Democratic party. He's just a pessimistic writer

Hey guys what if we replaced the police department with spontaneous citizen formations so instead of justice we have mob rule haha racist conservatives DESTROYED

>>17582781
Prisons in and of themselves are a bad thing but our system is far too punitive. Drug incarceration is absurdly bloated for something that is a health issue. Mandatory sentencing is bullshit that undermines the point of individual cases. Black people are hyper focused upon in society and I feel that we need to address that. The removal of voting rights and destruction of job opportunities for committing any crime no matter how minor retards the ability of ex convicts to reintegrate which leaves crime as a survival mechanism. We need prison reform and to experiment with better methods of incarceration that can lesson the load this is placing on our country. What we're doing is not working and it's reaching critical mass thus we need to try something else. I also think that the intentional cruelty of the prison system in America is very counter productive since American jails are hell on earth by design where you need to constantly fight off rape and assault and often join gangs for this reason. This will either mentally break people or make them into hardened criminals. Work gangs are unconstitutional and jobs are really being replaced not with immigrants but with prison slave labor (black or otherwise). We need to fix these issues to improve society.

>>17583966
Prison abolitionists should be made to have former inmates be their neighbors and housemates.

>>17583966
>Doesn’t know the difference between M-Lism and anarchism
We’re serious.

As a card carrying member of the CPUSA, Angela Davis was already on the way to irrelevancy by the 60s.

>>17584835
So we should just let criminals run around raping and killing everyone?

>>17584868
In anarchism we’d get everyone what they need, so no theft. Rapists and murderers would see an *actual* correctional facility that threats them for their problems. Unless you’re killing people in a more wild environment. In that case, you might find some free will believers who will tear you apart for molesting any of their children etc.
it would be nicer and get even nicer with time once state-capitalism is removed.

>>17584901
>facility that threats them
Treats them, TREATS
Haha

>>17584901
What an absolutely infantile Pollyanna world you live in. The "rehabilitation" theories of corrections have been shown to be more wishful thinking than reality literally 50 years ago.

>>17584826
>Prisons in and of themselves are a bad thing

No, they're not. It is beneficial to society to remove certain individuals from the population; and, yes, there are some people beyond rehabilitation. Some people are unwilling to accept this.

>Black people are hyper focused upon in society and I feel that we need to address that.

It's constantly being addressed.

>The removal of voting rights and destruction of job opportunities for committing any crime no matter how minor retards the ability of ex convicts to reintegrate which leaves crime as a survival mechanism

Voting rights doesn't turn someone to crime: non-issue. Job opportunities can be an issue, however, and there are programs that help ex-convicts re-integrate. Yes, they do actually exist. However, the system cannot hand-hold every ex-convict to not commit crime or return to criminal behavior; that comes down to a personal responsibility.

> I also think that the intentional cruelty of the prison system in America is very counter productive since American jails are hell on earth by design where you need to constantly fight off rape and assault and often join gangs for this reason

The prison system isn't "intentional" in its cruelty. No idea where you get that from. Rape and assault in prison is an issue and prisons handle such things internally. And, no, defunding them won't help.

>Work gangs are unconstitutional and jobs are really being replaced not with immigrants but with prison slave labor (black or otherwise). We need to fix these issues to improve society.

Immigration ballooning the work force is an issue -- literally corporations sponsor flying in people via H1 visas because they are a cheaper solution. Fixing society isn't a one-step fix. It's too multifaceted to directly address.

>>17584937
Nordic nations do this now. You’re quite ill informed.

Police are a joke and local penal institutions are entirely inept at ratting out the locals who are truly a blight to the population at large. Imagine if vigilante justice were still a thing and you could just go and lynch the local druggie alcoholic. Town would be booming again. Instead, degens infest every inch and corner.

>>17582464
To my knowledge, Irish became cops just because they were tough, burly sorts of guys. It wasn't a political contrivance.

>>17584901
First you actually have to show me a working rehabilitation program
Go on, anon..

After that I'd like an IQ improvement course and a dick length enhancer pls mine is vry small

>>17584977
Ah yes, the nations where taxes form over 40% of gross domestic product are examples of peak anarchistic society that rehabilitates their criminals.

Protip: anarchism is for room temperature brainlets to dream about, the second your hippie anarchistic society destroys local government you get absorbed by your much more rational neighbours.

>>17584977
Nordcucks are very different from everyone else.

>>17584901
I know you weren't born yesterday. So why do you believe in this naive utopian ideology?

>>17585249
this, imagine thinking that government wouldn't rebuild itself at the first possible opportunity

>>17584901
>in anarchism everything good
Woah....

>>17584977
Butterfly, you can't possible think this is a good comparison? An anarchist society obviously won't be structured the same as a Nordic country, unless you think those countries are vanguards for anarchism like American socialists think China is the vanguard of socialism.

>>17585273
Because I’ve studied it.
This one’s really good. Give it a try.

>>17585249
Taxes? We’re talking about reforming psychotics
>rational direct democratic neighborhoods are a state
Okay Boomer.

>>17585365
Thought experiment. Imagine the removal of state and capital.

>>17585366
Dude. Answered above

>>17583698
That Mynmar woman who got a nobel

>>17583966
They are too low iq to think how the prison industrial complex could be dismantled, so instead its just close all prisons.

>>17584901
In anarchism I'd kidnap butters and rape her all day every day and she cant complain because she is getting what she needs.

>>17584939
I don't even fully agree with the original poster, but your entire post reeks of, "yeah it sucks but what can we do about it." His entire post is stronger than yours in that all you seem to believe is maintaining the status quo and trusting those who couldn't do their job to take care of things. Life doesn't work like that.

>>17585417
Mmno. You’d be dead

>>17585395
I don't think I'm able to imagine a removal of the state at this point. Not when things are this complex.

>>17586078
How will they pay for their “defense”? How will they collect taxes on a currency no one wants? How will they find enough willing slaves and to keep them in luxury amongst all the freedom lovers with gun and will to live free or die? There will come a day. I hope it’s soon enough for us to sort ourselves out and not set off an extinction event

>>17584901
>we'd get everyone what they need, so no theft
Jesus Christ...

>>17586198
How do you think theft happens? Why?
Even if there’s a kleptomaniac, you wouldn’t need half the shit he take back as you can just get another. But again, the locals would get him treated for his derangement

>>17584826
I meant to say not a bad thing typo

>>17586209
Touch grass

>>17586209
Hardly any theft in the first world is done out of "need". It's just gimme dat shit.

>>17582311
>>Defund the Police
>>Abolish prisons
read Resurrection, by Tolstoy.

>>17586269
What does he have to say about it?

Also. Crime and Punishment, Voltairine de Cleyre
https://libcom.org/files/Voltairine_de_Cleyre.pdf

>>17585395
Is that YOUR hand in that pic???!

>>17586850
No

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>>17586877
For me, it’s the McChicken. The best fast food sandwich. I even ask for extra McChicken sauce packets and the staff is so friendly and more than willing to oblige.

One time I asked for McChicken sauce packets and they gave me three. I said, “Wow, three for free!” and the nice friendly McDonald’s worker laughed and said, “I’m going to call you 3-for-free!”.

Now the staff greets me with “hey it’s 3-for-free!” and ALWAYS give me three packets. It’s such a fun and cool atmosphere at my local McDonald’s restaurant, I go there at least 3 times a week for lunch and a large iced coffee with milk instead of cream, 1-2 times for breakfast on the weekend, and maybe once for dinner when I’m in a rush but want a great meal that is affordable, fast, and can match my daily nutritional needs.

I even dip my fries in McChicken sauce, it’s delicious! What a great restaurant.

>>17586850
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>>17582464
The attacks against police are just part of a wider attack on any blue collar position without a college degree requirement. It's not about race its about class, and the poor people are loosing (like they always do).

>>17586877
>No
LAME

>>17586897
based

>>17586102
Most people like currency and luxury, and states have sophisticated military complexes while all you have is a bunch of wishful thinking and cope.

>>17586209
>But again, the locals would get him treated for his derangement
You realize "treated" in this context means being lynched in the streets, right?
Nobody likes being robbed and if it becomes a serious issue the person will just get done. Thats how this works in every society without a strong centralization of force, and its sophisticated version is tribal warfare, honour killings, and duels to the death, not whatever hippy drum circle you have envisioned.

>>17586102
Decentralization is possible, but "anarchy" only during some kind widespread technological collapse and even then it'll be temporary. BTW I know you live in California so I'm preparing for that day, too ;)

>>17584835
>The others are just completely insane and should also be disregarded.

>>17584901
>>In anarchism we’d get everyone what they need, so no theft.
this sentence is proof atheists can't think, and have no critical thinking

stick to watching cape shit

>>17583698
only in america.

>>17582311
>Abolish prisons
Yes! YES!!! Fuck prisons. Reinstitute corporal punishment/fines for lesser offences and permanent banishment to Central Africa or Arctic Wastes or whatever for major ones.

>>17582311
BLACK
LOL

>>17585403
And she just got cucked by her own military, so no, america is the only one because as it turns out politics are not real in America it’s just an industry and even the radical dissidents are celebrities

>>17587110
>and states have sophisticated military complexes
Like Syria, and Iraq did as one point...

>>17587122
Oh you’re right. We should all vote to leave the crazies in our streets so they can pick us off one by one. Wouldn’t be anarchism without that, right?
Dumbass.
>robbed
Nobody will rob anyone because they can have anything and they weren’t raised by sheep to obey clown bullies. We’re really talking about a whole other kind of world when you take away that one odious aspect.

>>17587490
You have a mental blockage and think I can’t think?
What do you think motivates theft?

>>17587057
>It's not about race its about class
Lmao. Retard

>>17587611
Why are you awake at this hour, my love

Leave it to lit to have some faggot going on about anarchist revolution ahahahahahahahahahahha

>>17585395
>Thought experiment. Imagine the removal of state and capital.
You have an interim period of anarchism before a new state emerges.

>>17587697
Why target police and not doctors, lawyers, judges, teachers, university administrators, or any of the other jobs that institutionally fail black people?
You don't think it has anything to do with the fact that policing is the one respectable unionized job someone can do without a college degree?
Wake the fuck up.

>>17587611
>Oh you’re right. We should all vote to leave the crazies in our streets so they can pick us off one by one. Wouldn’t be anarchism without that, right?
The hell are you even talking about? As someone who's actually been victimized by crime, and lived in countries without a strong centralized authority, I can tell you with complete certainty that the first reaction of someone who's been wronged is to seek blood.
The whole concept of a centralized state isn't some boogyman thats held humanity back since the dawn of time, it's a very recent aberration from the norm. You can observe today parts of the world without a state-held monopoly of force and almost all of them operate according to tribal law and tit-for-tat violence. Stop being such a naive moron.

>>17583966
Pretty much that, they don't actually know what they stand for, just follow whatever some influential figure is saying

>>17582311
she has a sociopathic gaze

>>17586305
>What does he have to say about it?
the whole book is about how the prison and judicial syststems are a farce made to keep the old social order going.

>>17582311
There are still people who read Voltaire and believe what he says.

Yes she'll withstand the sands of time because there will always be someone willing to champion her ideals and we live in an era where literary loss, unless deliberate, is incredibly rare.

>>17585504
>his post is stronger because you're pessimistic
what lmao

>>17587725
This, I'd really love to hear what anarchist fags have to say about that

>>17586897
prefer nandos me

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>>17586209
Yes butterfly, theft is out of need, which is why theft is only ever of food and never of luxury goods

>>17587587
That just means that evidently she was a real dissident.

>>17583698
France

Leftists were a mistake.

Lmao who knew a tripfagging dyke who's in her 40s and single would be this retarded? I didn't see this coming at all.

>>17582311
Almost everyone who writes in this era will be forgotten. In fact, our entire civilization is the most likely of any to totally disappear without a trace.

>>17582464
Why don’t African-Americans just start actually behaving just like everyone else does? There. Problem solved.

>>17589166
Needs and wants. Satisfied once state capitalism is thrown off.

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>>17588710
>aaaa, it’s too complex
Read what I’ve recommended

>>17590043
>Satisfied once state capitalism is thrown off.
How so? You think all desirable goods will just magically exist in unlimited quantities?


>Read what I’ve recommended
That's not an answer, how do you stop people from forming gangs which oppress everyone else? Answer: You can't because you'd need something like a... Police. You know, the very thing anarchists hate. Let's face it: your little utopia is a pipe dream

>>17589348
Because they are poor and uneducated as a result of recent policies like jim crow laws, segregation, discrimination, their neighbourhoods being bad and no schools around, etc

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>>17591056
readin books? that be fo bitch niggas, fuck outta here with that soft shit

>>17582464
Black cops are MORE likely to shoot blacks than white cops you dumb coon.

>>17584835
>We’re serious
No you aren’t. And by that I do not mean that you’re joking, I mean that you aren’t seriously considering the issues. You are like a /pol/ fascist who actually thinks it’s possible to pull a NatSoc revolution in the USA. In order to be serious you have to have an actual concrete understanding of the situation and you had better be able to explain to me every step in how you intend to bring about your intended outcome.

And of course you cannot do this because you aren’t serious.

>>17584901
Anarchy is a transitionary period between authoritarian systems. You’d get a Franco within a week of the state’s collapse.

>>17584977
Nordic nations are fucking WHITE you retard.

>>17592363
not anymore lmfaoooooooooooooo

>>17586897

based and libidinal economy pilled

>>17586897
Fuck anarchism it's had centuries to fail to make good on its promises. 3-for-freeism is the real path to political liberation.

>>17582464
>There should be aggressive campaigning for African Americans to become police officers. We should focus on recruiting from the very inner city neighborhoods that they will then police. More black cops is the solution. A lot more.
This is based ONLY if black police exclusively police black neighborhoods. Other than that I understand your line of reasoning anon, makes sense.

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>>17590043
For a Nietzsche fan, you sure do love the rabble huh...

>>17584901
Lads, this is b8. Stopp falling for it

>>17584901
you're so unfathomly retarded I don't even know where to begin