/lit/ - Literature

/bakgen/

What went wrong?

>>17583333
Kellhus was simply too powerful.

is the Lightbringer Series good?

>>17583368
I think it's fun, and the magic is really cool

Congratulations. I will never read any of Bakker's work out of spite. Good job, you've accomplished what you set out to do.

>>17583431
There's no need to post this on every thread, friend :)

>Second Apocalypse compass meme 2.0
please fill out this blank with your preferences. change the axis names if you want.
let's see what we come up with, frens...

>>17583457
>Authoritarian
>Libertarian

You had one job.

>>17583457
original for reference

>>17583468
>complaining without contributing

>>17583457
>>17583508
Personally, the chorae should be dead center for me. Agnostic to closing/opening the world, and does nothing except restore the world to its natural state.

>>17583434
There is no need to spam Bakker in every thread, malignant tumor. smiley face

>>17583607
Sorry, pal. You'll simply have to cope.

>>17583614
You're the only person able to cope with your existence. I'll have to neck myself to be rid of you.

>>17583457
Is there one of these for Asoiaf?

>>17583623
Does it trouble you?

>>17583633
There's no need to post this on every thread, friend :)

>>17583630
from reddit with love

>>17583640
Eh, ok, thanks.

>>17583640
Not perfect, but still better than the one we have from Bakker. We need to improve on that.

>>17583457
Left-Right: 'SALVATION' vs 'DAMNATION'
Top-Bottom: 'SANITY' vs 'MADNESS'

>>17583672
There's a problem with this, which will require the compass to change entirely Sorcerers are all in damnation, no? I still haven't finished the series.

>>17583637
Why? It's a great meme. And it gets me guaranteed (You)s.

>>17583680
But you already know some of those tried to save the world and others tried to shut the world.

>>17583368
The first three books are enjoyable enough. The last two are actually miserable.

>>17583694
>>17583680
The only way to do it without giving away too many spoilers is to make it
>Resumption vs. Prevention
For vertical it could be
>Logos (dunyain) vs. Madness (erratic)
>Spirit vs. Meat
>Order vs. Chaos
>Subject (kellhus) vs. Object (no-god)

>>17583690
It doesn't. I've seen this exact post go ignored countless times. It just outs you as the same exact guy facilitating the Bakker shitposting thread after thread. You are troubled.

>>17583773
>yes.jpeg
i'm a different bakkerfag and yes, i am troubled, i don't hesitate to admit it.
his writing helps to calm the madness in my soul.

>>17583773
I'm having fun. Is that so problematic for you?

>>17583773
Why don't you simply fuck off to another website and discuss your favorite author there?
I'm starting to feel bad for you.

stop with the bakker shill right now! black company will forever be /sffg/ first choice

>>17583815
You're absolutely retarded. This Bakker shitposting is the equivalent of a raid, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a coordinated Discord effort. Whatever the case, I wish brutal death upon each and every one of you.

>>17583818
Yeah, Black Company is based. Got my grandad to read it and he liked it too.

>>17583818
never could get into them
post glen cook memes

>>17583818
>stop with the bakker shill right now! black company will forever be /sffg/ first choice
BRO!

>>17583830
>30% vs 70%
bakcucks btfo

>>17583824
>>17583838
Seethe harder.

>>17583843
Cope.

Gentlemen, how do we defeat YA?

>>17583859
We stop pretending that most mainstream fantasy authors aren't YA.

Please bros I need a good fantasy or sci fi novel to read nothing else gives me joy in life anymore

Things I like: His Dark Materials, ASOIAF, Feist's Rift War books, Gormenghast books, Forever War, Roadside Picnic, Foundation, LotR, Narnia

Tried and didn't like: Dune, Bakker, Malazan, Name of the Wind, Reddit Sanderson

I am a Bakkerfag who strictly effortposts. The endless shitposting is retarded and juvenile and needs to stop. For instance, OP image should not be bakker after bakker. High-quality classic fantasy art is much preferred.

And I wish anons would actually discuss the SA books and their many nuances more instead of just "OOOHHH SANDERSOY BTFO" every single accursed thread.

>>17583869
Cage of Souls

>>17583879
Sorry Sandersoy, you need to try harder.

>>17583508
if i would rop anyone it would be the mother supreme, you could add meppa or theliopa or seperate aurang and aurax or add mutilated

>>17583508
>>17583457
Any chance we can get the individual memes (without the background)?

books about the little people or folklore (ok fairy tales but not JUST them)

>>17583879
These threads are dead, haven't you noticed the declining IP count? bakkerfag discord autists drove off most everybody

>>17584013
little people= spites, fae, gnomes, elfs, kobolds etc
folklore= gods, spirits, legends etc

>>17584013
Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander

there was another YA i read as a kid that had tiny people. they were like made of clay or something. it was based but i can't remember the name.

>>17584028
Incorrect. These threads have never been more popular. Yesterday we hit the bump limit in under 6 hours.

>>17584053
Yeah I sure do love it when something like 5 schizos post nothing but >does it trouble you and >filtered for thread after thread. Way better than a lot of people discussing fantasy and science fiction over a fairly long period of time. You fucking nigger, drop dead.

BAKKER MOTHEFUCKER, JUST GIVE US NO-GOD, STOP IMMITANTING MARTIM!

>>17583830
Kek
How is Sanderson that low?

>>17583830
3 months ago, entire threads would go by without a single mention of Bakker. Don't believe me? Look in the archives. It all started suddenly in late November.

>>17584122
Yes, and?
I don't see a problem with people turning towards quality writing. It's actually great that new anons are enjoying Bakker.

books for this feel?

>>17584122
Wrong.

Bakker has always been memed here.
You should lurk harder.

>haven't seriously read since the 3rd grade
>decide to establish a reading habit
>look at recommended fantasy infograph
>Name of the Wind
>read it
>like it
>get back into reading
>months later it turns out that the book that got me reading is one of the worst rated stories on this board
does that mean I'm a hack?

>>17584098
His publisher dropped him. It's not like they're in the same situation, at all. I bet that the manuscripts are ready though.

>>17584053
>Yesterday we hit the bump limit in under 6 hours.
A handful of turbo autists shitposting nonstop and reaching the bump limit isn't a sign of life. Go back to your Discord circlejerk and get a high five.

>>17584165
It's fine for high schoolers I guess. I read it when I was 15 thought and it was okay (though I was much more in GRRM at the time).

Rothfuss is serviceable in the same mindless, entertaining, escapist way that Sanderson is. The creepy sexual overtones and cuckold fetishism are no good, though.

>>17584169
Why not find another publisher?

>>17584224
For multiple reasons. The most problematic ones would be: his writing style and contents, which simply does not sit well with the current political climate and social norms; the other would be that no publisher wants to pick up a two book deal from an ongoing series without owning the rights of the entire thing.

His best shot is to simply self-publish.

>>17584224
Publishers' only aim is to make money. They are not going to invest in an author with known "issues." For one, Bakker played hardball with the edits for the last two books (which I am immensely thankful for. Imagine if TUC came in a watered-down, palatable R-rated edition; it would be butchery).

Huge amounts of normies were triggered by all the pic related, and his absurd flamewar with sjw tumblr feminists didn't help his cause. This anon is 100% right >>17584254

The best option is to self-publish. There's no shame in it in this day and age, and it provides a freedom from censorship that mainstream publishing can't allow.

>>17584165
you do know he's not going to finish, right?
he saw what happened to Marty boi, he knows that his best play is to never release the last story while dripping Kingskiller related products for his retarded fanbase, whoring them out until he dies.

>>17584254
>>17584288
I believe he said in a recent AMA that he has no issues with self-pubbing, so that very well may be the case. I am skeptical on the belief that the manuscripts are anywhere close to finished however.

>>17584180
Stay mad

>>17584293
Right? Bakker's constantly releasing crappy Second Apocalypse merchandise, twitch streaming himself almost daily playing DnD and vidya, and shilling his latest "charity efforts" on twitter.
Sweet Seju, I wish that were the case.

Goddamn cat anon, did William get cucked in the art of the adept series?

>>17584322
And then you ironically bump the thread with yet another shitpost, proving the point. Can't make this shit up.

>>17584321
>I am skeptical on the belief that the manuscripts are anywhere close to finished however.
He's known for re-writing his manuscripts over and over again. I wouldn't be surprised if that was case. I'm just hopeful that the pandemic made him go turbo-mode.

>>17583275
>>Discord
>make your own
splendid idea chap. the sffg discord will be starting TDTCB on the 28th:
https://discord.com/invite/KWPCM7m

>>17584341
One can only hope. Though I have found that my writing has tanked during the pandemic. I do much much worse when I have too much free time.

Ngl, these last couple of threads have been pure kino.

>>17584113
That's where he belongs.

>>17584288
>The best option is to self-publish. There's no shame in it in this day and age, and it provides a freedom from censorship that mainstream publishing can't allow.
oof

>>17584356
>when the anons of /bakgen/ actually manage to summon our Holy Lord-and-Author from the depths of the darkness.

seeing this post yesterday was a unironically a high point of my year so far.

>>17584395
Base, Based!

Truth Shines!
It was unironically me, the one who brought up the paradox skin-spy comment.

Arcadia was a lot of fun. It's restored a bit of my enthusiasm for genre fiction, after the long stint of reading mediocre to bad material. Finally something that I could just plainly enjoy.

I didn't realize how guarded I had become, until I was halfway through the book, and I had the revelation that I was actually enjoying myself. That I could just relax and trust the remainder of the book will be good.

I like how it handled adult content, without being edgy or vulgar. It wasn't trying to prove it was an adult book, it just didn't shy away from certain matters. The "villains" in the story were comical, which I like. You end appalled and amused at the same time.

The audiobook was 22 hours, and that felt like nothing. Time flew by. The male narrator was great. But the female narrator was pretty amateurish. Thankfully they only used the female narrator for a few short chapters.

>>17584409
>The audiobook was 22 hours, and that felt like nothing.

We've been through this already, Audiocuck.

>>17584421
ok, if you would like to run through the paces again, then be my guest.

>>17584408
>>17584395
Do you guys have that one where he says "So what that I some weed?".

>>17584327
It isn't called art of the cuck for nothing.

>>17583508
Chorae should be maximum order and pretty high salvation because it literally erases damned acts and persons from the world without being capable of being swayed.

>>17584144
Bakker was one of many popular authors. Currently the threads are obviously being shat up by a single person or small group of retards. It's clearly you who are new if you think this is a normal state of affairs, but who am I kidding you are a liar.

>>17584558
Learn to write, low IQ shitter.

>>17584535
>>17583521
I like them dead center too. They are Tears of God after all. But they were made by the aporetic schools at the behest of the Inchoroi to kill the sorcerers that oppose them. Like the Tusk, the stain of their creation kind of cancels out their divine goodness.

>>17584558
>It's clearly you who are new if you think this is a normal state of affairs

What's the "normal state of affairs" then? You being a söy on every single post?

>>17584558
>>17584334
>>17584180
>>17584028
>>17583824
>>17583773
>>17583431
>>17583607

I was not aware that being filtered by Bakker's prose produced this amount of cringe.

>>17584461

I feel Bakker should either trim his hair or grow facial hair.

There is a jarring mismatch between his hair and face, I feel.

>>17584760
Disagree.

>>17584760
Where are you from?

/sffg/, I just started reading Unsong, and this might just be the inspiration and/or jewish fantasy I was looking for.

The White Luck Warrior hasn't been a pleasant read, for the most part.

>>17584789
From the longhaired tribe.

>>17584784
He looks much better here.

>>17584838
Keep up the slog, anon it's objectively the weakest book of the seven.
It gets cool at the end though.
And it sets the stage for the absolute kino of the last two books.

>>17584859
I believe you, considering the quality of the previous books. I'm at the part where the fantastic trio is on its way to Ishterebinth. It's just that he spend an unreasonable amount of time describing Achamian's journey. And it's dragging and dragging. Not enough Kellhus as well.

>>17584885
I remember that slog. Middle section of WLW probably could have been trimmed down a good 200 pages or so. But yeah...
>Ishterebinth
>Kellhus
Not going to spoil anything, but keep going because you are in for a big treat.

>>17584903
Thanks bro, have an Esmi.

>>17583508
Anybody have the Chaucer version of this?

Why do bakkercels run crying to the tranny janny if you insult their favorite author? I've insulted Branderson plenty of times and never had this happen.

>>17585008
Does it trouble you?

>>17584885
>>17584903
On my first reading I downright burned on during that passage. when I re-read it the second time I expected to skip it but I didn't feel it was a drag at all. I'm not sure why that is, normally such passages don't get better with time.

>>17584165
I liked both of the Kingkiller books. I think they're a really fun read and I recommend them to everyone. I give the caveat that the trilogy is unfinished, and normally I recommend people wait in such cases, but I'm 100% certain this will never get finished.

Anyway, I despise YA fiction and think First Law is jejune, while enjoying Wolfe and Bakker to give some reference for what else I like.

Remember that you are on 4chan and all kinds of retarded takes get elevated to meme level and repeated by brainless retards trying to fit in.

There are valid criticisms of Kingkiller, and the author is a mongoloid, but there's also reasons it is considered one of the best fantasy series, despite being forever unfinished.

Sorry for the disjointed post, I'm half brain dead from exhaustion.

>>17585008
>one of the jannies is a bakkerschizo
That explains a lot.

>>17585150
You sound like you're half braindead as a rule

Just started this. It's very enjoyable so far.
Reminds me of both Ishterebinth in the Great Ordeal and the best sequences of of CS Lewis, such as The Dawn Treader and the Magician's Nephew.

>>17583869
You read Ender's?

So my father read Titus Groan and Gormenghast (maybe also Titus Alone) back in the seventies and always said to me how he loved it. Now I'm almost at the end of the first one but wtf I was expecting a fable for adults not fucking fires, dead people, manipulative sociopathy, homicides, psycological torture, psycosys, suicides?!. Anyway i'm loving it.

>>17585285
how can you tell the difference

>>17584046
ill check these out

>the virgin exposition dump
>the chad explain nothing and have the reader figure shit out as they go along

>>17585363
I'd have liked Piranesi better if it had actually been Lewis-style allegory

>>17585422
>the gigachad mind numbing technical detail about everyday life in a peasant commune while the greater setting is only hinted at

>>17585363
How does it compare to Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell?

>>17585551
Much better imo, much stranger, more dreamlike and more Borgesian

>>17584327
Where is the goddamn cat lover.

do you guys think bakker is wondering why the fuck he has so much more income these past few months?

I thought u Sanderson haters were just miserable pricks . I am at the end of words of radiance . Kaladin is fighting szeth. This is the corniest anime capeshit gayest thing ive ever read

>>17585702
>implying these incels pay for books

>>17585707
Sanderson is legitimately a bad writer, and his characters have no soul.

>>17585702
If he saw a dime from these memesters, he knows where we are.

>>17583457
>>17583508
Anyone got any more of these?
They're usually pretty fun even when they are woefully inaccurate.

>>17585702
>>17585733
I worked damn hard on those Kellhus memes. Shilled SA here almost daily for weeks. Bakker's probably relaxing in his brand new jacuzzi right this minute, living large off the memebuxx of our sweat and toil.

Hey Scott, you owe /sffg/ a self-published No-God book available on Patreon. Hell... I'd even settle for a preview chapter or two.
E-even a damn blogpost.

do you guys put gay people in your books?

Me personally, they can be side characters, but save that gay shit for game of thrones or something

i don't know how to give women personalities

come to think of it, i don't know how to write women.

>>17585804
>do you guys put gay people in your books?
Yes, militant warrior-homos are extremely based.

>>17585753
someone more autistic than me should make one for Malazan

>>17585753
What the fuck, I had no idea orc shaped maiar existed.

>read Prelude to Foundation
>plot is just a series of contrived coincidences
>all the buildup to the ending is just for a "hey remember the Robot series" reference
>plot doesn't actually move and everything is the exact same at the end as it was at the start except Seldon has a vague idea of how to proceed with psychohistory now
>there are apparently like 8 more books including at least an entire trilogy not written by Asimov
Honestly, should I even bother? Is the proper original trilogy any better?

>>17585802
I gave him 80 CAD via paypal, since I pirated his books.

>>17585866
based and honesty pilled

Finally read the Cradle series. It was okay I guess, took a while for the main character to grow on me. I will say that Yerin is pretty cute. I thought the inevitable romance between the two would be cringey shit but it actually develops pretty naturally and slowly.

>>17585967
Wrote a note with it, dunno if he will even get the money, his site is quite old.

>>17585860
This is a very hot take, but in my opinion most classic sci fi doesn't hold up.

The characters are mostly cardboard thin and bland. The ideas are often interesting, but not sufficiently so to carry an entire book (I skimmed through some of the books and feel that they would benefit from being the basis of a short story), or have been recycled so often since then that they're boring tropes now.
There's usually a lot of quirky nonsense that aged poorly, or wankery about technology that we know didn't pan out or is just bizarre in the light of current times, and not in a cool way.

That being said, I remember liking Foundation as a child, though I had absolutely no standards then and also liked horrendous YA trash. Prelude to Foundation is generally considered awful even by people who like Asimov otherwise, and I thought it was god awful and dropped it maybe a book in when I read it as an adult. They spent a lot of time running across some city planet and none of it was interesting in any way.

>>17586021
>>17585802
Does Bakker have any internet presence at all anymore? Apparently his twitter was suspended for TOS violation? How the fuck did that happen?

I hope he just retreated to work hard on the next books and nothing bad happened to him.

>>17584288
>the pic related
I don't understand the image here.

What character stayed with you years after you read their book, /sffg/?

>>17585379
Second book is kino as well. Peake was a genius.

>>17585753
I got warned for posting some non-lit ones.

>>17586133
>their book
my diari desu
>character
me

Any good fantasy with Gnostic or Kabbalistic aesthetics? Doesn't necessarily have to be about it, just a similar aesthetic.

>>17586252
I thought Unsong was pretty great, and it's all about Kabbala

>>17586252
I'm reading Unsong right now and it's all about kabbalah. That said, where I'm at right now (pretty early on) it feels more "religious" than it does "mythological"

if you're looking for gnosticism unironically check out Homestuck

>>17586283
It is certainly the most religious book written by an atheist I've ever read. I'll be curious to see how it turns out once he's decided he's done with the editing process

>>17586264
>>17586283
I'll check it out, thanks for the rec lads. I'm hardly an expert on Kabbalah or anything like that, I just find it fascinating.
>spoiler
Assuming you're serious I'm extremely confused, as I've read it all the way through (but only the original).

Anywhere I can download MEG: Nightstalkers?

>>17586252
Turtledove's Videssos books, especially Bridge of the Separator.

>>17583869
Sabriel. Really any of Garth Nix's stuff, but Sabriel is my favorite.

>>17586340
homestuck is what got me into gnosticism. The entire plot revolves around it

>a recurring element in the story is the imperfection of universes, such as B having cancer and its associated incipispheres being fundamentally corrupted during their creation, rendering the session impossible without a mobius double reacharound
>these can be traced back to the fact that the people creating universes are imperfect beings (namely, horny teenage closet-cases whose complicated relationships with their parents were cut short by said parents dying horribly, along with their entire fucking world)
>the kids screen names make allusions to gnosticism (gardengnostic, timaeustestified), as do their browsers/denizens (yaldaboath, abraxas)

>>17586650
I'll always second you Nixbro.

>>17586707
oh, not to mention

>the players are expected to play the role of pneumatic souls: escape their doomed universe, and shed their mortal form by going god tier, which forces them to face their death
>speaking of pneumatics, the word "pneumatic" comes from the greek word for "breath", and what is the main character the heir of?

>>17584288
He needs an editor. No author came out better without an editor.

>>17583879
>t. Sandersoy

>>17586807
>it still thinks about me
Gross.

>>17583640
>Bronn true neutral
He was a degenerate murderder. What's the point of this charts?

>>17586831
>triggered by the only blue collar person
Found the elitist snob. Bronn's not degenerate, that's the point. He only murders when he has to, or when it greatly benefits him. Almost everyone on the list is a sadistic control freak psychopath that could just live comfortably and leave everyone alone, living on the backs of their peasants, but no, they have to constantly plot against each other and make life for ordinary people that much harder. Fuck them. Bronn's the only normal human being on the list who's not also a complete autist. If you grew up and lived in his circumstances you'd be the same, or dead.

>>17586853
>Found the elitist snob
I wish.
He was just the first one that caught my eye. He's in the middle after all. You just overanalyze. I could give you 5 more that don't match their place. This charts are just cringe.
>He only murders (...) when it greatly benefits him
Not a degenarate then. Sorry...

>>17584288
>his absurd flamewar with sjw tumblr feminists
Is Bakker redpilled? I'm not too far into the series but the fact that the Norsirai are inheritors of the ancient civilizations and pretty much the superior people is pretty based imo.

>>17584013
Little, Big
Lud-In-the-Mist

>>17586886
No as I understand it he is quite liberal. But the story is written as a biblical parallel so it definitely has that feel. I honestly have to respect a writer that can write something so antithetical to their own beliefs like that. Rare to see.

>>17585860
you should have started with the original trilogy. always go by publishing order, not by chronological order.

Threadly reminder to read Bakker. Start with The Darkness That Comes Before. The Second Apocalypse series is part of the /sffg/ canon. Not understanding Bakker memes renders you blind to most of the relevant discussion that goes on here.

>>17586939
Ok pal. I will.

>>17586916
>he is quite liberal
I don't think (I hope) he is that liberal, not when you can write so convincingly about racial stuff with evident real life correspondence. I mean Norsirai both in name, appearance and quality are easily identifiable while the rest are pretty much non-descript and decadent brown mongrels. It's also evident he didn't mean this as some woke garbage criticism (again, I hope). As you said it's quite refreshing nowadays when it used to be norm not too long ago before the woke takeover.

Why are you guys so obsessed with R. Scott Bakker? I'm not going to read thousands of pages of crap about wizards.

>>17586068
Your problem is the opposite of what I can't stand in modern fantasy or SF - everyone's so fixated on characters and how they should be the driving force behind absolutely everything. Just because an idea has been beaten to the ground since doesn't invalidate the books they came from or that popularized them in the first place. That's nonsense.

>>17583521
>>17584609
The Qiri should be dead center

>>17585707
Enjoy, because that’s the last “good part” in the series.

>>17585008
Based Jannies.

>>17585008
>discord trannies post, saying they're starting a bakker read
>bakkerposting loses all of its quality
There are literally skin-spies among us. You don't have to be a Dunyain to see that. The janny is probably one of them.

>>17587053
>>17586939
I don’t know, but I will give it a try.

>>17587633
Why can't trannies and niggers let us enjoy things? Literally seething in every thread for liking things they don't.

>>17587703
They don't have souls, they fear no damnation or banning.
They exist only to revel in shitposting.

Bakkerposting is unironically the best thing that ever has happened to this thread.

>>17585008
Serves you right for being a low IQ söy.

>>17587731
Bakker posting is unironically keeping this general alive. Have you seen the other fiction thread? Yeah me neither.

>>17587003
you re doing the same mistake obsessed sjws do always reading opinions inside everything.

>>17587771
Not really, SJW go out of their way to attack and censure material they don't like, I'm just pointing out things I like about the book so far, and honestly even if Bakker turns out to be a cuck, the book is still redpilled about race.

>>17587186
>everyone's so fixated on characters and how they should be the driving force behind absolutely everything.
I get what you mean, but I'll never see character focus or development as a bad thing myself. Thing I have an issue with is how so many readers are deadset on "this is what I want in the books" and dismiss everything that doesn't fit. This combined with trend chasing basically translates to people excluding more and more of older works because they're too different to them.

>>17587731
>>17587758
Except that current bakkerposting has become incredibly low effort and its just a bunch of retards posting the same shit over and over again.
Every thread is almost the same at this point.

>>17588046
Disagree.

>>17588048
Use more than one word or don''t speak at all.
>>17588046
Agree

>>17588046
Incorrect.

>>17588046
>>17588072
If you don't like you can go to your safe space, sandersöyims
>>17586201

>>17588046
False.

>>17588093
>If you don't like you can go to your safe space, sandersöyims

>>17588118
Ironic shit-posting is against the rules.

>>17588118
I accept your surrender.

>>17587510
I think I’m dropping it and moving onto Bakker

>>17588134
Your only doing yourself a favour, if you value your own intelligence. The difference in quality is abysmal.

>>17588126
Nice cope

>>17588072
>Use more than one word or don''t speak at all
Not an argument.

>>17587876
even if a apparent thesis is presented in a book in the way of the story events, or by some characters, it couldn't be considered as the moral of the book. At most you just can say that that characters or group are redpilled for you and you like him or them. For example maybe in later books interactions by characters or deeper dives into their personal history and cultural history could subvert how the story tells to the reader how things work in-universe. And so so-called decadence by brown people was once enlightening. Or maybe just didn't even existed a moral high ground and there are only different povs. with all of this anyway telling no moral judgement in any case.

>>17588093
thanks for the link fren

>>17588156

>>17588168
Still, not an argument. I accept your defeat.

>>17583640
>sam
>good

fuck that fat fuck, got tons of people killed because he was lazy and cowardly lol

Fucking Bakker, just create a patreon or go fund me os that you can finally complete the second apocalypse you half wit, do go down on the Martin's path, rude had 25 year to end his series and will be forever know as lazy fatso that couldn't end his works.

I recently started reading Gene Wolfe and heard Jack Vance was really influential on him. Does Dying Earth hold up?

>>17588422
He should just assemble a gif shop with t-shirts and shit.

>>17584327
Can I get an answer please?

>>17588628
You can.

>>17584327
Who's this

>>17588541
Yes it does, i read it after BOTNS and it was really, really good with a unique feel. Currently on book 2 of demon princes and it's excellent aswell.

>>17583859
castrations

>>17589005
This makes no sense.

Am I the only one who becomes less interested in a series the more /sffg/ shills it?

>>17589113
Leave this place normie.

>>17589113
There is that other Sandersoy.

>>17589113
You know that the opposite is true, you wouldn’t be here otherwise.

>>17589134
Nope. I have absolutely zero interest in anything by Sanderson, Bakker, Rothfuss or whoever the fuck wrote Malazan anymore. On the other hand I've picked up and enjoyed a bunch of books that I've seen talked about occasionally.

>>17589153
What do you read?

>>17589153
>Rothfuss
This isn't reddit...

>>17589153
>4chan holds this much influence over his own decisions

That’s very embarrassing.

>>17589163
I read the entire Chalion series including the Penric novellas after seeing it mentioned here once. I enjoyed that. I read the Barrow by Mark Smylie, also enjoyed. Origin from the Konrath Horror Collective was also pretty good. The Powder Mage series gets mentioned occasionally, I liked that too.
I also tried the Thousand Names series by Django Wexler but I hated it, it got derailed by lesbian romance garbage and I had zero interest in it. Read some of the Dresden Files. Enjoyed the earlier books but the Dresden's daughter gets kidnapped plot bored me to tears and I dropped it.
I also read the Gotrek and Felix novels by William King and really enjoyed the pulpy Gothic Horror nature of it. This also prompted me to read some of King's other stuff like the Kormak series which was pretty interesting.
I read some of the Spook's Apprentice series after seeing it mentioned once and I liked it well enough, though it was a bit too on the YA side for my tastes.

>>17586125
I guess the cookie part is just a joke, but think "black seed"

Who is your favorite appendix N author?

>>17589211
i was interested in Dresden back when there were a tv series but never got to read the book

>>17589079
castrate/sterilise everybody so young adults will stop to pop out

>>17588093
>sandersõy
I was the one doing bakkerposting back in nov/dec during my reread. At some point it just went overboard and you retards started spamming the same shit each time. I honestly feel bad that I'm being associated with such fragile weeping faggots such as you.
>i accept your surrender
>does it trouble you
>sanderönion
These don't even come off as ironic at this point.

>>17588276
it's way too obsolete that chart

>>17589375
dity is based tho

>>17589375
What’s a sanderonion?

>>17589375
agreed fren. i am this anon>>17583879
bakker is great, but only HQ posts about him should be tolerated.
you know he reads these threads sometimes, right? what do you think our Holy Author would think about the endless "i accept. your surrender" "sandersoy btfo" bullshit? he'd probably weep for the faggotry.

>>17589384
I agree. DITY is pretty much the only good thing to come from bakkerposting.

I say this as a consummate Bakkerfag, and occasional bakkerposter.

>>17589375
Imagine being this gay, holy shit
>I-i'm the one who s-started this, y-you're not doing as I-i say
Falseflag lying nigger

>>17589423
>>17589375
Samefag

>>17589423
>you know he reads these threads sometimes, right?
Source: my ass

>>17589443
This.

>>17589443
>>17589479
No.

>The Thread lay shattered to ruin, the houses of the Sandersoys thrown down, all other discourse stifled, annihilated.
>And so it came to pass that now, their ancient foe defeated, the Bakkerfags of the Holy War now turned upon a new foe: one another.

>>17589555
>*sips söylent*

>Dissolute Sons of an absent Father.
>The Bakkerfags were Men of War....
>Sinners.

>>17589555
BASED

>>17589538
Why are you pretending to be me?

>>17589673
You missed a pixel there.

>>17589710
You missed a lot of them.
Sad.

THIS IS A REMINDER THAT all of you are pretty nice and I'm happy we've had this general going for so long, I'm grateful for it.

>>17589745
Many such cases.

>>17589787
you are my frens and i love this general in spite of its flaws.

Does anyone know the names of or the author of this trilogy that came out in the '10s, military sci fi with female androids that worshipped death. I remember it was marketed as the author having been ex-CIA. Broke my old ereader and can't for the life of me remember.

>>17585804
Yes, the main character of my fantasy novel is a homosexual (as are his lovers).
In his civilization, homosexuality is generally somewhat looked down upon though not as decisively as in Abrahamic cultures. The major religion Sepulchra (which resembles Buddhism far more than the usual fantasy popery) considers homosexuality among the laity as sinful, since properly sodomy should only be between the gods and their highest ranking slaves- but this faith has increasingly little cultural power.
On the other hand, the wizard guilds are violently homophobic, both since wizards are promiscuous philanderers obsessed with reproduction and the future, and to redirect the common people's hatred away from the wizards (who, of course, make contracts with man-eating devils).
In the north there's a related civilization where forced pæderasty, male & female, is the only form of non-reproductive sexuality among the non-slave population (for complicated eugenics reasons).
The MC despises all these- Sepulchra, Wizards, and Northerners- and long after his defeat it's slanderered of him that he only made war on the beneficient wizards because he himself was a sodomite pervert (which completely false), and his crimes are used to further justify the persecution of homosexuality.
Note that "homosexuality", of course, is usually pæderastic, as it is in most cultures.

on a scale of fake and gay to based, would anyone be interested in reading a story called 'Books of Shit' where I just take the characters from the Kingkiller chronicles, change them just enough so that fat fuck can't sue me for trademark infringement and just finish writing doors of stone for him in the absolutely worse way possible?
also
>The story ends with Not!Patrick Rothfuss leaving Not!Kvothe in a hole in the ground to die a slow and agonizing death while he preps a minotaur to fuck his wife

>>17590148
>Yes, the main character of my fantasy novel is a homosexual (as are his lovers).
>Note that "homosexuality", of course, is usually pæderastic, as it is in most cultures.
Who exactly are you expecting to read and enjoy this book.

>>17590200
Classical Greeks.

>>17590200
Bakkerfans will be delighted, (forced) male sodomy is one of the main themes of the Second Apocalypse

>>17588642
Can I get an answer to the question stated here >>17584327

>>17583869
BOOK
OF
THE
NEW
SUN

>>17590200
Also I should say there's be little to no sexual explicitness. There MIGHT be a scene where the MC sucks a cock, since it's plot-pivotal, but other than that it's all dealt with tastefully. I'm not trying to get anyone off here, just paint the nuances of a foreign culture.

Newfag lurker here. Why does /lit/ hate Sanderson so much?

>>17590382
No one hates him.

>>17590452
I don’t follow...

In my novel I'm writing a scene where the protagonist goes to the setting's equivalent of a goth-rock concert. It's so fun to write bros. I am having a blast describing the people in the crowd, the instruments, and the hall. Two pages in an hour, I need to keep going...

>>17584053
It's all about IP count, not how many posts you shit out, spammer.

>>17590572
Thanks for your IP.

>>17590572
IP counts are worthless, quite literally. You would know that if you had a brain.

>>17590531
What don't you follow?

This is your cast for Corlys Velaryon, the first black targyaren

>>17590652
I knew House of the dragon will suck ass, but I didn't expect to have a shitty cast too

>>17590652
who gives a shit about some shitty series based on a shitty book that isn't even written by the already shitty canon author
fuck off

>>17590652
sorry what is this? a grrm spinoff? elaborate

>>17583869
It's time to take the chinkpill, anon.

>>17590382
He writes 1000 page long entry level fiction. And his quality is only getting worse.

>>17590920
I'm reading Mistborn right now because I want to know what all the fuss, positive and negative, is about. It literally reads like he's describing what he did in a video game, and it's written at a YA reading level. In other words, I see why it's popular.

>>17591020
I never made it past the 20% of any Sanderson book. I don't even hate him or judge people that read him, but yeah, I just find all the characters so video gamey. It's like I'm playing a low-budget German RPG.

>>17590382
He has built this multi layered imaginary universe where each series usually takes place in one planet.
He then creates characters that hop between worlds, thus "forcing" you to buy books from other series if you want to find out everything about that character's storyline. This, as you can imagine, is a scummy business tactic akin to the one practiced by video-game companies through DLC.

What do you guys think of magic non-systems, where the way magic works is never explained? You know, like in Tolkien, where magic is something mysterious and unquantifiable, something that certain people can just "do."

I'm trying to decide if I should have "inexplicable natural magic" in my novel. The alternative would mean coming up with a logical magic system, which I kind of don't want to bother with.

>>17591154
Magic should be treated like religion. Don't fall into the magic system trap.

>>17591152
I don't see how that would matter when all of us pirate every book?

>>17591171
>I don't see how that would matter
You don't? By wasting my time with series that I don't even want to read, just to find out what happened to "said" character.

>>17591152
William D Arand does the same. So does many other authors who have "interconnected worlds"

>>17583275
>unbridled homolust
>cuckolding
>demon rape
When did /sffg/ turn into reddit? Haven't been here in awhile

>>17591187
Funny how I can't think of a single good author that does this.

>>17591199
Now, when you entered the thread.

>>17591154
I mean, it depends what you mean by explained. There are different explanation levels, like
>knowing exactly what each spell does and what it's capable of, what the magic in this universe does
or
>explaining where the magic comes from

I mean it ultimately comes down to what kinda story you want to write, because one or the other won't work unless it fits the story. If you're writing a plot-driven story where the development is believable, then the magic does need to be explained, otherwise the reader will feel like you're pulling it out of your ass. But if it's something that's supposed to be left mysterious like the Force in Star Wars? Then who cares?

Actually the Force is a great example, because you can see why people reacted so badly to Lucas trying to explain it. It's not that "explaining" the Force is bad in and of itself, but people wanted their space fairy tale so they completely rejected having anything to do with actual science, numbers, or explanations for where the powers come from.

But if you play a game like KotOR where there are 1000000000 Jedis running around, having an explanation that's based on data rather than feelings makes a lot more sense.

Basically, if magic is common in your setting and you have a fuckton of mages, you better explain that shit and set hard rules. But if magic is extremely rare and you have just a few people capable of doing it like the the original Star Wars trilogy or Lord of the Rings, then it's not a big deal. Readers will understand that the power of the magic is coming from the emotional drive of the character.

>>17583830
This can't be real. I was here 3ish months ago and bakker was universally despised for being a complete hack that started out strong but was too busy masturbating to finish his story

>>17591185
Well, I understand. I stopped reading Malazan for a similar reason. I liked some characters but hated most, and at some point I realized I was just being dragged along to read garbage I did not give a single fuck about to see some character that I like appearing for 2 pages out of 600.
And then I stopped, permanently, did a ctrl+f for the characters I liked in the remaining books, saw their endings, and that was that. And I'm glad I did.

>>17591234
I don't get the love for Bakker either, pandemic must have broken people's brains. The Prince of Nothing was self-indulgent as it was, but the Aspect-Emperor was pure crapola. I just felt like my time was being wasted. If you condensed everything he's written down you could easily just have it be two stories so far with a third on the way. A lot of it is so pointless, boring, and clearly a way for him to air out his personal frustrations or fantasies, which is just pathetic.

What do you listen to while reading?
It's fucking nuts here currently, and I can't read with all the noise distractions.

>>17591286
https://www.youtube.com/c/cryochamberlabel/videos

>>17591266
Bakker is one of the few writers who's not afraid to explore the true nature of men and humanity as a whole. It's no wonder people love him. Very fantasy writers few fill that gap.
I fucking loathe fantasy where everything is sprinkled with unrealistic descriptions of war, politics and relationships.

>>17591154
thinking of writing a book where the MC is a jesus type prophet that can heal and occasionally pulls a miracle out of his ass by praying (such as for a door to open), but I feel like sois would get triggered and say it was a deus ex machina..

>>17591286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z1VzsE1GVg
This one is alright. Jeremy Soule is my favorite musician, and it doesn't embarrass me one bit that he's known for "video-game" music.

>>17584288
His latter books did need editing. The quality of prose and pacing came down from the original trilogy. Not to mention all the typos.

>>17591243
kek i remember speed reading like 2000 pages every chapter thinking like "man next chapter karsa is gonna show up for sure"

>>17591341
>Not to mention all the typos.
must be a kindlecuck or early edition problem because I have physical and didn't notice any

>>17591341
>The quality of prose and pacing came down from the original trilogy.
Why do people keep saying this? Have you actually read the books? Bakker's prose is the strongest in the last two books. There are pacing issues and typos, yeah, but people seem to constantly think that TGO and TUC were garbage for whatever reason, when they're actually his greatest work.

>>17591319
>the true nature of men and humanity as a whole
Words, words, words. Words are wind. Either give me an example or don't bother writing that kind of sophistic trash.
>It's no wonder people love him.
>Very fantasy writers few fill that gap.
You haven't shown that he does what you just stated, so you have to do that first before we can compare him to other authors.
>I fucking loathe fantasy where everything is sprinkled with unrealistic descriptions of war, politics and relationships.
Again, what does this mean? Like, holy shit, I read posts like these and it gives me genuine brainrot. It sounds like you're trying to sell a product you know nothing about but were taught what lines to use to shill for it. Can you give me some examples? Can you be specific about what you hate? Because, holy fuck, the politics in Bakker's novels were awful, lol, Or do you not remember the dumbfuck emperor the comic book tier way that empire and royal family was presented to work as? I can't think of ANYTHING more unrealistic than the way politics is shown in that first book, especially when we're comparing it to the Byzantine-style politics he was clearly trying to emulate since this is a cheesy knockoff of the crusades.

>>17591342
You are me, anon. Literally me.

>>17584137
Fuck off bakker. Your novels would make decent hentai but you're deluding yourself if you actually think you're a good writer. Go get dropped by another publisher lmao

>>17590657
you can stop dilating any time now.

>>17591266
>I don't get the love for Bakker either, pandemic must have broken people's brains.
Words, words, words. Words are wind. Either give me an example or don't bother writing that kind of sophistic trash.
>The Prince of Nothing was self-indulgent as it was, but the Aspect-Emperor was pure crapola.
You haven't shown that he does what you just stated, so you have to do that first before we can compare him to other authors.
>A lot of it is so pointless, boring, and clearly a way for him to air out his personal frustrations or fantasies, which is just pathetic.
Again, what does this mean? Like, holy shit, I read posts like these and it gives me genuine brainrot. It sounds like you're trying to sell a product you know nothing about but were taught what lines to use to shill for it. Can you give me some examples? Can you be specific about what you hate?

>>17584254
>does not sit well with the current political climate and social norms
>nigger wizard MC
>rampant cuckolding
>significant gay themes throughout
what are you smoking, fanboy?

>>17591418
He means Esmenet. Women cannot handle looking in that mirror in 2020+1

>>17591390
>cares about hbo's fanfic series
>implying other people need to stop dilating
that's quite funny, maybe you can take it to /r/got faggot

>>17591360
Yes, and I've read all the books in short order so they were all fresh in my mind.

I didn't say they were garbage. They were good and even had some of my favorite scenes in the whole series. They just weren't as polished as the original trilogy.

>>17591426
>cares about hbo's fanfic series
not even close tranny
>r/got
go back tro r*ddit discord faggot

>>17585811
FATHER?

>>17586133
Cnaiur Urs Skiotha, Most Based of All Men, King of REEEEEEEE

>>17591397
Sure, but I can argue for all of those.
>The Prince of Nothing was self-indulgent as it was, but the Aspect-Emperor was pure crapola.
The Prince of Nothing could've been cut down to one book very easily. Cnaiur and Achamian both should've had a smaller role, Esmenet should have had none at all, and most of the war could have been skipped over. Kellhus cucking Achamian and that taking such a huge fucking chunk served no fucking point, same for Cnaiur's endless frustrations. I'm not saying I hate these characters, but they were pretty much filler for the most part. The coolest thing Cnaiur ever did was to rape that faggot and it was not satisfying enough for me to read all that long.
The entire structure of the series is kinda contradictory...
On one hand we have Kellhus presented as this godlike character, but then we have to follow Achamian and Cnaiur as they slowly piece together what he is and all the rest. Seems to me like Bakker could've easily chosen one route or the other and lost nothing. Either the whole thing should've been told from Kellhus' POV, or we could've grown to like Kellhus and then hate him through Achamian's eyes the entire way. He did both and neither very successfully, and ended up telling what's a 500p story at most in 3 books.
>A lot of it is so pointless, boring, and clearly a way for him to air out his personal frustrations or fantasies, which is just pathetic.
This is mostly referring to stuff like the cucking subplot, Achamian getting with Esmenet's daughter, and shit like that. None of this is relevant and it's clear Bakker just has a hard-on for these characters for some reasons, but I don't, and reading about them was suffering.
Now let's see you, faggot.

>>17585150
>likes bakker
>didn't like first law
NGMI

>>17591436
>>cares about hbo's fanfic series
>not even close tranny
this >>17590652 says otherwise
you are pathetic and need to go back to /tv/ and r/got where you belong

>>17585422
>the drooling wojak scenes transition and dialogue reads like a movie so you can literally watch the book you're reading play out in your head as opposed to imagining it because your dopamine receptors and attention span are fried from excess pornog consumption and wanton alcohol/drug abuse

>>17585707
>he kept reading after WoK
OH NO NO NO

>>17591541
Do you guys just hate Sanderson because he's Christian? Feels like everyone that shits on him is a fedora-tipper.

>>17585811
Think of a man, then take away reason and accountability

>>17591556
He isn't Christian.
He's Mormon.

okay /sffg/, if your so cool, name ONE science fiction or fantasy novel.

Go ahead, I'll wait

>>17586133
Durzo blint. Come fucking at me, bakcucks

>>17591599
>

>>17591607
The prince of Jackie chan

>>17591480
>could've
>should've
What exactly are you arguing for? Do you even know what differences between an argument and an opinion are?
Because all you're doing is opinionating, and I happen disagree with most of your opinions.

>The Prince of Nothing could've been cut down to one book very easily. Cnaiur and Achamian both should've had a smaller role, Esmenet should have had none at all, and most of the war could have been skipped over.
This is merely your opinion.

>Kellhus cucking Achamian and that taking such a huge fucking chunk served no fucking point, same for Cnaiur's endless frustrations. I'm not saying I hate these characters, but they were pretty much filler for the most part.
This is outright wrong. Kellhus needed Esment because only she could bear his seed. Achamian's storyline in the aspect emperor series is based entirely on his personal vendetta

>The entire structure of the series is kinda contradictory...
>kinda
Just another opinion. You have no evidence for this.

>Seems to me like Bakker could've easily chosen one route or the other and lost nothing. Either the whole thing should've been told from Kellhus' POV, or we could've grown to like Kellhus and then hate him through Achamian's eyes the entire way. He did both and neither very successfully, and ended up telling what's a 500p story at most in 3 books.
>Seems
>could've
>should've
Wait, is this another opinion?

>This is mostly referring to stuff like the cucking subplot, Achamian getting with Esmenet's daughter, and shit like that. None of this is relevant and it's clear Bakker just has a hard-on for these characters for some reasons, but I don't, and reading about them was suffering.
>and reading about them was suffering.
Is there an argument to be made that cuckolding clearly bothers you? I've deducted this based on your fierce opinions on the matter.
See, the last one is an actual argument.

>>17591689
That's a nice waste of time post, considering you were asked to expand on your own points and didn't. Literally just replied with
>lol idc it's just your opinion dog
Sucks to suck. I'll be waiting for you to explain your post >>17591397 for which I haven't even heard "opinions" on, just vague shilling.

>>17586886
>is bakker redpilled?
I don't understand how people can possibly believe this. The MC is a body positive, POC wizard who is unironically in love with a sex worker that he simps for. Said sex worker cucks MC with Chad and lets him shoot up her club. God and light skin are clearly the bad guys as crusaders rape, pillage, and annihilate a bunch of friendly brown people out in the desert. Also B L A C K S E E D
He's the most obviously liberal writer of our time and anything to the contrary is woefully imperceptive or hasn't read his books.

>>17591628
mormons aren't christians.

t. every other christian church

Love him or hate him, Bakker is the Black Sabbath of literary fantasy. Just like Sabbath, not everything he put out is perfect, but the gems are true fucking gems. Like Sabbath, he did his damn thing, and his work will live forever as a classic of the genre. Simple as.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fgaBMFi1oc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkx7SQ4Wuh0

>>17586939
If you did not enjoy the classic anime Urotesukidoji: Legend of the Overfiend, you will not enjoy bakker as his "prose" consists of substantially more demon rape and far less characterization beyond "kellhus a strong and smart!"

>>17591763
Who's that chick?

>>17587053
It's literally 1 guy. Probably bakker himself

>>17591774
This chick mate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6QHfZwTSw

>>17591763
>comparing a shitty author to a shitty metal band
I think in America they call this arrested development.
>>17591742
He is literally a progressive, lol. It should be clear to anyone that reads his blog that Bakker is not only a liberal, but an American-style Democrat and a technocrat too. Further proving that Canadians literally have no identity that isn't stolen from Americans.

>>17591200
define good

>>17589444
Your ass? Also checked

>>17591808
>define good
R. Scott Bakker

>>17591830
Based

>>17589555
almost as bad as blakker's lifeless prose. Fitting.

>>17591785
>Probably bakker himself
reminder >>17584709
I don't doubt it. Guy seems incredibly petty and obsessed. His early blog posts are just a shining beacon of salt because his writing wasn't appreciated enough, lol.
>BECAUSE FANTASY ISN'T TAKEN SERIOUSLY!!!
He's so autistic he never once considered he's the problem.
Ironic, too, since in a podcast one time they asked him some question about people felt about the books and he got triggered and sounded slightly offended, answering with,
>Well, I don't care how people feel, they're my books, I'll write them how I please.
You just know this is the type of guy that thinks everyone that criticizes him is too stupid to understand him or has ulterior motives and bullies his associates to stroke his ego.
He unironically emanates insane beta energy, which is probably why he made himself a god-like self insert in his book.

>>17590148
>Note that "homosexuality", of course, is usually pæderastic
you should include some variation of the phrase "gays aren't born, they're created" before a big molestation scene. For awareness

>>17591858
He may be a socially stunted autistic, but so are you, and all the rest of us.

>>17591492
keep coping subhuman. You headcanon is not an argument, keep dilating though.

>>17590181
Would be based if you played it straight and pushed it on reddit

>>17590452
Holy hell. Thank christ I dropped way of kings when I did

>>17591896
>headcanon for this shitty series
nigger literally nobody in this thread cares about asoiaf except you lol

>>17591712
I'm not >>17591397 that anon.
But that's irrelevant, because you still failed to refute anything I've said. Your flawed rhetoric has left me no other choice.I unironically accept your defeat .

>>17591919
keep coping poll tells you otherwise. Your dilation is taking too long faggot.

>>17591893
That isn't really true. I'm sure a lot of people have some form of arrested development but they aren't as insanely egoistic as Bakker. The guy legitimately thinks he's a misunderstood genius. First he failed at philosophy, then he failed at neuroscience, and now he failed at fantasy.
Watching him begging for scraps of attention from Daniel Dennett was truly hilarious.
Of course, he's not even a dumb guy by any means, but his inability to take any feedback or reflect upon his own faults severely hampers anything he does.
He's the grown up, intelligent version of the 14 yo girl that tells you the rules of grammar don't matter because she's writing it "her own way."

>>17591921
How gracious of you, Mr. Bakker.

>>17591927
>keep coping poll tells you otherwise. Your dilation is taking too long faggot.
?????????????????

>>17591397
Just admit that you should have jerked off before you sat down to write AE, bakker

>>17591928
he literally is a misunderstood genius though, you confirmed it yourself in your post.

>>17591950
>?????
newfag exposes himself
Every.Time.
Go back to traany discord

>>17591952
.It's getting embarrassing at this point.

>>17586886
>Is Bakker redpilled?
No, literally all of the grimdark fantasy writers of the 00s are liberals, it was a leftwing movement to expel the Tolkien influence from fantasy

>>17591956
>he literally is a misunderstood genius though
Nigga, he's smarter than average, that doesn't make him a genius or misunderstood. Hegel wrote Phenomenology of Spirit and put it out when he was 28. That's a genius.
Can you name a single innovative concept or worthwhile thing Bakker has come up with?

Bakker is thin-skinned and sensitive, but he is a genius. His books offer a philosophical and religious perspective that is unmatched by any other author in the genre. The questions of damnation, salvation, subjecthood, sorcery/onta, gnosis, etc. are fascinating and unique to the genre. Some great writers weren't meant for the public eye. They're semi-mad recluses who wander the edges of sanity and come back with something really stirring and compelling.

>>17591556
I don't see the correlation between being a Christian and writing serious fantasy books like naruto fanfiction. They just suck dude. No one with any self-respect would stand up and announce that they were a fan of such a drivel master

>>17592002
Reading these posts makes me hate you, hate myself, hate this world, and unironically makes me want to kill myself. It's like going back to those threads of faggots that barely read a word of philosophy in their lives drooling after Avellone's garbage fanfiction in KotOR 2 pretending it's oh so deep and important when it's basic shit communicated through bad storytelling.
>His books offer a philosophical and religious perspective that is unmatched by any other author in the genre.
Such as? What is it? And how is that not true for Tolkien, for example?
The rest I literally feel was written by an 18 yo. I seriously hope for your sake that you are under 25.

>>17591763
Sabbath is fucking trash so nice analogy I guess

>>17592002
This basically. If I hear an author is crazy I usually become way more likely to buy the books. Like, I don't respect him as a person, but I know his crazy brain will put out more entertaining stuff.

>>17592034
whoa buddy. take meds

>>17592000
Trips of truth

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The worst part of it is that it's not the usual one chapter = one character so you can't even skip easily

>>17592002
>His books offer a philosophical and religious perspective that is unmatched by any other author in the genre
Dude... Bakker... You have to stop, my man. This shit is so fucking sad. You aren't fooling anybody. You had an okay idea, but your execution was way off the mark. It sucked. I got your books as a gift and I still returned them to the store they came from because I didn't want people to see them on my shelf and ask me what they were about. Nigs and cucks and gays, dude? Why dont you just start a gofundme? Even blassey-ford made a cool million bucks from weepy söylords and she was just a fucking liar, surely book writing could garner at least that much. Just do it somewhere else. We're tired of you for now, okay?

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what's up with those birdlike scribbles in your pic?