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>>17570523
>Thread topic: Which SFF author writes the best women?
out of the things I read probably Hobb

And for me it was definitely Vin. You are allowed to shit on Sanderson because honestly he IS fairly workmanlike, but Mistborn was one of the most enjoyable lectures I've ever had. I'll always associate Mistborn with a comfy summer. Maybe it's not because of how well written she is as a character, but because it's a complete story that was enjoyable to me, where the protag had a full progression.

Book of New Sun or Book of Long Sun: Which is better?

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Why does Children of Dune get memed on? I'm about halfway through it and so far it's been pretty decent.

Man i am GOBBLING UP the Three Body Problem.
Already on the last book of the series

>>17570568
t. zhang

>>17570523
>https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
Is this good?

>>17570566
>other, Adrian Tchaikovsky.

>>17570568
fascinating science and plot but flat, robotic characters. why are my countrymen like this?
>t. chink

I see a lot of pajeets seething at this book on goodreads. Can't be that bad.

>>17570568
Got filtered by the first book. I hate those game sequences. Too much resembling dream sequences in books.
Should I soldier on through it? Does it build up to something more incredible than the universe blinking?

>>17570589
>flat, robotic characters
Is it weird if i actually like this? I love how analytical most of the characters are, to the point of almost sounding soulless.

>>17570567
God I want to read God Emperor but don't feel like reading Children

>>17570607
a u t i s m o, asian style.

Any female MC as good as taylor (worm)? Almost 4 years since i read it and she's still in my head.

>>17570566
Based Le Guin ranked way above Lewis and Sanderson.

>>17570608
Why? I don't see why it's supposed to be offputting if you liked the previous two books.

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>>17570605
I enjoyed the second book tremendously more than the first one
It offers a scary as fuck hypothesis on the Fermi Paradox, the science is cool, the plot is neat.
You should at least power through the game sequences long enough to get the big reveal.

E William Brown better fucking publish this year.

>>17570621
royal road is filled to the brim with masturbatory fanfic tier shite

I am sick of series and trilogies. Who are the best /sffg/ authors that have mostly written standalone novels? Here's my list:

* H. G. Wells (1866-1946)
* Robert L. Forward (1932-2002)
* Arthur C. Clarke (1917-2008)
* Michael Crichton (1942-2008)
* Kim Stanley Robinson (1952-)
* Greg Egan (1961-)

Anybody else?

>>17570523
I keep forgetting this faggot never wore a shirt through all his adventure. His nipples must have been able to cut diamonds by the end.

Gimme good recommendations of bloomer fantasies, bros.

>>17570631
that's what he said, illiterate fuck

Sanderson is based

>>17570643
Based on what?

>>17570643
Point and laugh at the Sandershit
Point and laugh

>>17570645
based on bakkercels having 0 bitches

>>17570677
doubt

Would a level of technology akin to humans be possible to achieve without a verbal language? Like would it be physically possible to be able to have a conversation, especially about technical matters using a pheromone based language? Or even an octopus race that would communicate via something like Morse code with changing body colors and patterns. What about gestures like sign language? Can that convey minute technical details like how to build and run a nuclear reactor? It seems like sign language currently only really works with a written language to back it up when an unknown word comes up.

>>17570677
I'm a bitch and Bakcuck has ejaculated into my womb. t. biological female

>>17570693
proofs?

>>17570693
post feet

>>17570643
>>17570653
What do you accomplish with this amount of no-effort posting?

>>17570682
I wish there were more quality effortposts like this in this thread instead of the typical bak vs. sander poo flinging.
>t. bakkerfan

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I don't know bros, I'm starting to think that /sffg/ is actually pretty based.

>>17570561
>tehee, I'm such a tomboy and I distrust everyone, except I actually like dresses and have no problems instantly trusting my newest crew
>well written or enjoyable

>>17570561
No. Literally forgot everything about it in less than a month.

>>17570561
You need to be 18 to post here.

Pick your favorite Nonman Mansion

Ishoriöl/Ishterebinth
>like a cathedral to dementia and heartbreak
>”is this the house of a *sane* king?”
>muh Sky-beneath-the-Mountain
>muh silk
>muh nimil
>muh Nil-Giccas
>muh Inculcû Rift
Viri
>cool hats
>cool stubborness and old-fashioned habits
>muh farming
>muh white lion pelt of Husyelt
Illiserû
>not-Sea Elves
>”the Sea is their Deepest Deep”
>muh tragic failed sneak attack on Golgotterath
>muh sacred baths
>muh Orovelai
Cil-Aujas
>muh Black Gate
>muh carvings that beggar the eye with their detail and beauty
>muh Aerenatiol
>muh Wight
>muh Nostol’s betrayal
Siöl
>the London, Paris and Rome of Nonman Mansions
>the House Primordial, and we’ll crush you in war if you dispute that
>imagine the grandeur

>>17570616
The good thing Wildbow wrote is Taylor. And no, i don't really thing you're going to get a better female MC.

>>17570586
Didn't really deserve an award, but pretty solid. Actually does a pretty good job with the second person narration (even has plot related reason for it in the end), but of course if you're one of those midwits who immediately gets filtered by anything but limited third person narration that's everywhere nowadays, it's not for you.

>>17570616
The only good thing Wildbow ever wrote is Taylor. And no, i don't really thing you're going to get a better female MC.

>>17570523
>Which SFF author writes the best women?
Isaac Asimov.
>But, anon, Asimov doesn't include women in his works.
Exactly.

who voted “other” in the poll, and who did you want instead?
so far we have vance and tchaikovsky

>>17570724
This is the worst kind of (You). That slight rush you get when your threat watcher lights up with a (You) has lead only to disappointment this day.

>>17570771
Greg Egan.

>>17570794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FygIKsnkCw

>>17570747
Viri-Chad here. Fuck Siöl

>>17570794
Same
Have a genuine (You) for your trouble.

>GIVE ME (YOU)S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>17570771
Adding each author to the list would probably not be worth the effort. A lot of them are probably obscure and wouldn't get at second vote anyway.

>>17570798
NOW THAT'S TRULY A TOP TIER MIDWIT FILTER AUTHOR. Egan is truly based and its for those truly high IQ, not even meme, dude just straight write math in fiction form. I bet that 97% of SFFG would be brutally filtered by Egan's book, even midwit Bakkerfags would be mogged by Egan.

>>17570771
Zelazny

>>17570771
I don't have a favorite author
>>17570903
>dude just straight write math in fiction form
Doesn't sound like a very appealing read

>>17570922
You got filtered even before reading, kek. But actually is quiet cool, it's not literally math, but the author just extrapolate math to a new level, borderline philosophical and shit, like implications of the universe just been a computer simulation and other stuff about universal geometry, trust me, shit is hard but very fun, it's really a book for bright people, not for midwits.

>>17570922
>Doesn't sound like a very appealing read
Thank you for demonstrating his point.

>>17570955
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8ewOvSq5nc

>>17570682
You're looking at pheromone based languages the wrong way. Binary code is a string of 1's and 0's and transmits information that way, chemical communication simply swaps Binary numbers with Parts per Million. In theory it could be more succinct and accurate than verbal communication.

Greg Egans is pure, unadulterated, hard sci-fi. Never thought to see him here, the author is know to write truly hard sci-fi fiction, generally you need to know a couple of college level math to get some stuff, I truly believe that Egan's books filter midwits hard, I think book as hard as of him would be Bakker, but still, Bakker is just a humanite fag, a bright one yes, but a somewhat of midwit.

>>17570682
Children of Time and Children of Ruin are about this exact thing.

>hard sci-fi
more like hard pass

>>17571023
Filtered.

>>17561679
Reminder that Bakker (probably) reads these threads.

>>17571067
>i don't read bakker, but bakker reads my posts

>>17570922
Yeah, this. Fuck numbers, unless they're repeating they're irrelevant.

>>17571067
It’s literally him... this is exactly how he writes on his blog, right down to the punctuation and phrasing.
TRUTH SHINES

>>17571117
>rumbling rumbling paradox n' shit don't exist

What about the halting problem? Cantor Continuum Hypothesis? This shit are paradox of auto recursion, explain that Bakkerboi, and they are not "product of linguistics"

>>17571117
Where is No-God? Just dont become like ser Fatso, bakker

>>17570980
Now that is super helpful, I admit I was picturing it as like different scents being different words or pictograms or something. But still, what about carrying out a conversation like that? Wouldn't the scents run into each other after just a 'sentence' or two? Especially in a tight space or a place with tons of other scents like an industrial revolution era factory?

>>17571002
I will absolutely check those out, thanks.

Why are people so sensitive about this man?

>>17571190
Who?

Any modern fantasy books on par or almost on par with Homer's works?

>>17571002
>Children of Ruin
I still don't know if I interpreted the ending correctly. Did the alien entity betray and assimilate all the other species after all, leading to the narrator stating that they had "been" all the various uplifted species, or was it Meshner and Fabian's invention that allowed them all to communicate and share experiences across species? Ending's an extremely vague time jump, and it could go either way.

Ricardo Silva Baqueiro.
Brandão, Areia & Filho.
Jorge Martino.

I feel like my female characters are too male like. I mean in terms of motivations and stuff. One of my characters has daddy issues because her dad wanted a son and wished to have her killed when she wasn't. Is it logical progression for this to develop into a desire to be wanted, validated, and loved?

My sister and her husband named their first son Clive after CS Lewis. Would you guys name your kids after an author?

>>17570771
This is why we should just use poal.me instead

>>17571389
>linking virus shamelessly

Nah.

>>17571381
I will name my kids Esmenet if female and Achamian if male.

>>17571381
No, but I could see myself naming them after a character.

>>17571381
Maybe, authors have pretty normal names, so it wouldn't be really noticeable unless one goes for a name that's really outdated. No one should use last name as first though, little Lovecraft doesn't need to grow up with all those jokes.

>>17571403
After a prostitute and a cuckhold?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exDVJXYEFSM

>"I found the plot so underwhelming"
>"There's almost nothing explained or explored" (Magic)
>"The prose is stunting"
>"I found almost every single character unlikable to the point of being detestable"
>"Everyone was terrible and selfish, except some of our female characters"
>"There's like... incest!"
>"I rated it 2 stars"
>"This is such a sexist world, and I don't want to be any part of it"

Holy shit, this is the epitome of filtered. No wonder Bakker trigger normies.

*effortlessly makes /sffg/ seethe*

>>17571533
Who?

>>17571533
>mistakes mockery for seething

>>17571540
Patrick Rothfuss.

>>17571533
He makes me laugh, that's for sure.

>>17571547
Oh, ok. I sucked that guy's dick once. Might be thinking of someone else, but he had some cotton threads under his foreskin encased in smegma. Overall not a bad experience.

>>17570620
IDK the dune series is good but can drag on at parts and I imagine children of dune is a lot like that

>>17571481
Set them up properly for the ((brave new world))

>>17571403
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Where do you people live, that you can name your kids anything you want?

>>17571555
NO NO NO YOU CAN'T POST THAT YOU CAN'T POST THAT YOU CAN'T POST THAT
SOMETHING SANDERSON WROTE DOESN'T REPRESENT SANDERSON'S WRITING

>>17571555
I'm intrigued by people living on top of giant crabs (reminds me of Morrowind and how some structure used the shells of extinct giant crabs), but the tone is just terrible.

>>17571668
Woah there buddy.

>>17571156
Parts per million, and everyone has a unique scent akin to fingerprint. As a biochemist I kinda get how pheromone / scent based communication could work. You don't have a different scent for each word, that's looking at scents through a talkie point of view, which is wrong. Now imagine if the creature emits its scent based on what it wants to say, such as a powerful emotion is a stronger scent and a casual greeting is a very gentle whiff. Very basic. Now add that each creature can vary the intensity of their scents emitted insantly, just like how a human can go from a whisper to yell instantly. Of course as a talkie, your nose could only pick up the smell. That's it, it's either strong or not. But a creature evolved to communicate this way could pick actual particles and interpret the speaker based on quantity in say a cm cube of air.
And each creature has a unique smell so basically a crowd talking is as indecipherable as a crowd emitting each their own smell. Confusing eh? You can even make it so that the creatures can emit the scent or "spray" it in a thin squirt, depending on what they wanna say. A grant philosophical debate is the smell emitted like an aura of say 58/1000000, while a sharp witty insult could be a very intense squirt of pheromones of about 872599/1000000 over the duration of 0.03 seconds.

Not sure I conveyed the info right

>>17571674
>Only those beans.

>>17571674
>I am a stick.
I dunno. I found this kinda funny.

>>17570616
>Any female MC as good as taylor (worm)?
Bella from Luminosity, a re-imagining of Twilight.
https://luminous.elcenia.com/

Can someone red-pill me on the available /sffg/ discords? Also sff outside 4chan

>>17571746
Fuck off

>>17571811
It's only a matter of time before someone posts your precious discord link.

>>17571067
No, I don't.

>>17571145
There is the problem as such (that which is the continuum hypothesis, that which is the halting problem), the objective reality of those things inside the logic of mathematics, and then there is the construct of a linguistic so-called 'paradox' around them. They are separate entities.

Can you show me a paradox that exists as described?

I will bet you cannot, a paradox is simple proof that whatever object is apparently described by the paradox cannot exist within the bounds of the world describable by the linguistic system used.

>>17571846
>No, I don't
>muh paradox

Where are you Bakkerchads at?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv8GW1GaoIc

>>17571866
Why would Kellhus be smug? He should be a completely blank-faced wojak. He doesn't care that he's succeeding.

>>17571890
Why would people make memes with a frog man representing something/someone?

>>17571890
It's just funny, anon.

>>17570523
>Thread topic: Which SFF author writes the best women? Or rather, which women characters have been highly enjoyable to read throughout your years of reading SFF?

Fuck off back to pleddit. I come here to avoid this shit. And it's clearly Egan. His women are autistic scientist, the ones that actually do good work.

>>17571866
Ha! Glad it wasn't lost!

>tfw system resumption

>>17571190
Only his fans. After a certain point, it becomes impossible to justify being a fan of his writing.

>>17571876
>not behind blue eyes

ngmi

>>17570566
Oh no no no no no. Sanderbros, we got too cocky.

>>17571846
How do you feel about Quine's web of belief?

>>17571846
Post timestamp of being Bakker

>>17571746
>Also sff outside 4chan
The best sff forum outside 4chan is r/rational, where science fiction and fantasy that make logical sense get discussed by erudite readers on a daily basis.
https://old.reddit.com/r/rational/

>>17571190
Nobody cares

>>17572388
>this image
>this post
>shilling for reddit
autism is a disease

>>17561679
>>17571846
Tell me, Father, when is The No-God?

>>17570567
Road to Dune is actually pretty interesting and has some unreleased notes/chapters from Frank Herbert himself

>>17572388
>fantasy
>making logical sense
This is such a bizarre brand of autism. What happened to the auists that would basically flip their shit if you spoke to them in anything but a priori propositions?

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>>17572254
Important, still intentionalist.

“Aye!” the Holy Aspect-Author called across the prone assembly of the /sffg/. “Indeed my heart is gladdened!”
Simply reading the punctuation and philosophical references of his beloved post seemed to ease some long-cramped muscle. “Let no man claim that I bore the fandom upon my back!”
Anon could do no more than gaze blinking, his body—no, his being—afire with … with …
“Rise, my brothers!” Bakker boomed laughing. “Rise and speak! Such occasions suffer no ceremony! We stand upon dread /lit/—the very threshold of the Board-Most-Wicked!”
The entire shape of what followed, it seemed, lay packed in the subsequent heartbeat of hesitation, set as a spring or a snare. One by one the Anons of the Thread climbed to their feet, raising their voices with their frames, calling out in relief and anxious exultation. Soon they were clamouring about their Author, demanding timestamps, shouting for. updates on the No-God, boisterous as children about a father missed and not simply returned. Bakker laughed a hero’s laugh, reached over those near to clasp outstretched hands.
Anon stood transfixed, scarcely able to breathe.
At last … a voice whispered. At long last...

>>17571704
Alright, I think I get at least the basics, yeah. Thanks, that's really helpful. I'm actually asking since I'm writing a book if that wasn't obvious. Definitely enough to work with and I can fudge anything I need to. Though I'll probably have to do some more research to really get it. Still have to decide how "realistic" I want the translators and shit to be too.

>>17570566
wait where the easterlings Slavs? i thought they were middle eastern or maybe central asian. In fact as far as i remember one of the slav-like humans were the Vargs or what they were called_

>>17572665
I believe this chart is referring to the Easterlings in the Silmarillion, which are not the same easterlings as in LoTR.

>>17572504
The rational brand of fantasy is about logically developing the consequences of counterfactual worldbuilding. For example, if you could turn yourself into a cat, what would that imply? About security? About physics? About reality?

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>>17572687
Those images are fucking disturbing.

>>17572687
Shitty fanfiction there, try to read 4 times, couldn't end it, I prefer other rational fics, to the stars if fucking great.

>>17572732
midwit.

>>17572744
>midwit.
We reddit now.

>>17572746
Cope

>>17572751
I accept your surrender.

>>17572687
>Militarized school of magic
Looks neat

>>17570798
Egan is fantastic, but he does not write Fantasy.

>>17572388
I was looking for a discord, not an autistic community.

>>17572772
>discord
>not an autistic community.
anon...

>>17572758
Kneel.

>>17572764
You are in for a surprise bro...

>>17572772
Filtered

>>17572785
Still, there are different levels of autism.

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>>17572771
Egan filtered me hard. Only made it this far into Diaspora

Why is the next centipede press lafferty volume taking so long to come out?

>>17572771
and this is a fantasy and sci fi general ;)

>>17572764
>"Good afternoon, my young apprentices," said Professor Quirrell. His voice seemed to come from the desk screen and to be speaking directly to Harry. "Welcome to your first lesson in Battle Magic, as the founders of Hogwarts would have put it; or, as it happens to be called in the late twentieth century, Defence Against the Dark Arts."
>There was a certain amount of frantic scrabbling as students, taken by surprise, reached for their parchment or notebooks.
>"No," Professor Quirrell said. "Don't bother writing down what this subject was once called. No such pointless question will count toward your marks in any of my lessons. That is a promise."
>Many students sat straight up at that, looking rather shocked.
>Professor Quirrell was smiling thinly. "Those of you who have wasted time by reading your useless first-year Defence textbooks -"
>Someone made a choking sound. Harry wondered if it was Hermione.
>"- may have gotten the impression that although this subject is called Defence Against the Dark Arts, it is actually about how to defend against Nightmare Butterflies, which cause mildly bad dreams, or Acid Slugs, which can dissolve all the way through a two-inch wooden beam given most of a day."
>Professor Quirrell stood up, shoving his chair back from the desk. The screen on Harry's desk followed his every move. Professor Quirrell strode towards the front of the classroom, and bellowed:
>"The Hungarian Horntail is taller than a dozen men! It breathes fire so quickly and so accurately that it can melt a Snitch in midflight! One Killing Curse will bring it down!"

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>>17572804
Yes, old man Egan as far as I know a really hard dude to read, a real filter for midwits, people here like to talk about Bakker as if he was hard and all, this halfwits would be filter brutally by Egan, not because of his writing, he writes very clear and all, but because he deals with pure hard science in a fiction format, not some philosophical mumbling, trust me, Egans is good sci-fic, a hard shit, not even a meme like Bakker.

>>17572859
>There were gasps from the students.
>"The Mountain Troll is more dangerous than the Hungarian Horntail! It is strong enough to bite through steel! Its hide is resistant enough to withstand Stunning Hexes and Cutting Charms! Its sense of smell is so acute that it can tell from afar whether its prey is part of a pack, or alone and vulnerable! Most fearsome of all, the troll is unique among magical creatures in continuously maintaining a form of Transfiguration on itself - it is always transforming into its own body. If you somehow succeed in ripping off its arm it will grow another within seconds! Fire and acid will produce scar tissue which can temporarily confuse a troll's regenerative powers - for an hour or two! They are smart enough to use clubs as tools! The mountain troll is the third most perfect killing machine in all Nature! One Killing Curse will bring it down."
>The students were looking rather shocked.
>Professor Quirrell was smiling rather grimly. "Your sad excuse for a third-year Defence textbook will suggest to you that you expose the mountain troll to sunlight, which will freeze it in place. This, my young apprentices, is the sort of useless knowledge you will never find in my lessons. You do not encounter mountain trolls in open daylight! The idea that you should use sunlight to stop them is the result of foolish textbook authors trying to show off their mastery of minutia at the expense of practicality. Just because there is a ridiculously obscure way of dealing with mountain trolls does not mean you should actually try to use it! The Killing Curse is unblockable, unstoppable, and works every single time on anything with a brain. If, as an adult wizard, you find yourself incapable of using the Killing Curse, then you can simply Apparate away! Likewise if you are facing the second most perfect killing machine, a Dementor. You just Apparate away!"

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>>17572865
Harry Potter and Methods of Rationally is pretty shiet fanfiction, bro, for real rational fic go read To The Stars.

>mfw I have a Harry Potter filter

>>17572868
>this halfwits would be filter brutally

>>17572872
>"Unless, of course," Professor Quirrell said, his voice now lower and harder, "you are under the influence of an anti-Apparition jinx. No, there is exactly one monster which can threaten you once you are fully grown. The single most dangerous monster in all the world, so dangerous that nothing else comes close. The Adult Wizard. That is the only thing that will still be able to threaten you."
>Professor Quirrell's lips were set in a thin line. "I will reluctantly teach you enough trivia for a passing mark on the Ministry-mandated portions of your first-year finals. Since your exact mark on these sections will make no difference to your future life, anyone who wants more than a passing mark is welcome to waste their own time studying our pathetic excuse for a textbook. The title of this subject is not Defence Against Minor Pests. You are here to learn how to defend yourselves against the Dark Arts. Which means, let us be very clear on this, defending yourselves against Dark Wizards. People with wands who want to hurt you and who will likely succeed in doing so unless you hurt them first! There is no defence without offence! There is no defence without fighting! This reality is deemed too harsh for eleven-year-olds by the fat, overpaid, Auror-guarded politicians who mandated your curriculum. To the abyss with those fools! You are here for the subject that has been taught at Hogwarts for eight hundred years! Welcome to your first year of Battle Magic!"

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>>17572872
I'd rather read Sanderson.

>>17572868
I think he'd be good while traveling long distance. Some place where I could really focus.

Rereading A game of thrones for the first time since I was about 14 and man it is so shoddily written. I reread the series from Clash on recently and it was never anywhere close to this bad, and I read Fevre Dream recently which predates AGOT and it was nowhere near this bad either. This reads like fucking Paolini

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>>17572872
Glad I dodged that bullet. Was thinking of reading it for years and gave up a few months ago.

Good fan-fiction is an oxymoron.

>>17572859
pretty sure dragons are magic resistant tho lol

>>17572909
I like this prose desu

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>>17572909
I expected them to be handed handguns and body armor, and going to target practice. On another subject I can never fully enjoy fiction about mages, vampires and other supernatural beings because I always end up fantasizing about what it would be like for normal blokes to fight against them, like an anti-magic SWAT team.

>>17572971
>dialogue ends
>character isn't described as doing anything new and active that would be worth breaking the dialogue
>dialogue resumes

>>17572687
Considering the consequences of of fantastical elements is just basic storytelling.
>For example, if you could turn yourself into a cat, what would that imply? About security? About physics? About reality?
You're just kidding yourself if any of the morons on fucking reddit have educated or even "logical" takes of this scale on anything. I bet the vast majority of the retards have never even considered any of the things you listed in relation to anything.

anons what do you think about this M. Moorcock statement from the introduction for the delrey book of the stealer of souls:

[…] To this day I advise people who wants to write fantastic fiction for a living to stop reading generic fantasy and to go back to the roots of the genre as deeply as possible, the way anyone might who takes his craft seriously. One avoids becoming a Tolkien clone precisely by returning to the same roots that inspired The Lord of the Rings. […]

What do you want to see in modern sword and sorcery?

I'm interested in the genre and I'm currently reading through Moorcock and then will be checking out Howard.

It seems like it's men's romance, why is it so underwritten in this generation?

>>17573038
>This amount of reddit spacing

>>17572983
that's a good thing, it can be hard to follow a 3 page speech

>>17573011
I'm the most creative person ever, my fiction is gonna be huge ill tell you that

>>17572911
Is that a real unedited shot from the movie lol?

>infestation of huge stinky bugs this winter for some reason
>a few got inside when I opened the windows today
>got naked, armed myself with a towel and hunted those fuckers down
Any fantasy books where monsters are a sorta character in and of themselves? I've read the witcher and the first witcher book was really good. I want more of that, kinda like a monster of the week type, or short stories about monster hunting and killing through sheer grit.
Maybe scifi too but only if the characters hunt weird huge aliens.

>>17573011
The problem is that Tolkien simply works I don't even like him, but we have to recognize that.

>>17573059
Wrong board, shitter.
>>>/a/

These were fine pieces of character-driven sc-fi.

>>17573061
the clones don't though, having orcs and elves doesn't make you tolkien and isn't why he works

>>17573066
I don't care. I didn't know what image to use to showcase a main character killing monsters through sheer skill and ability.
I want that, but in a fantasy book format. Like I said, the first witcher book was really good and I'd like to read more in that vein.
Ideally a band of monster hunters or mercenaries, kinda like Black company, but with killing monsters and abominations of nature and magic.

>>17573044
The point is the break in the dialogue should be something active rather than passive, it reads weird otherwise.
This, >Professor quirrell's lips were set in a thin line , isn't strong enough a Thing Happening to be the start of a new paragraph.

>>17573083
>the clones don't though
Dude, even Bakker is a "clone". What the fuck are you saying? And by Bakker, you can include virtually every other mainstream writer in the mix. Jordan, Erik, Sanderson etc...

Wolfe is one of the few exceptions.

>>17573040
Whatdoyouwanttoseeinmodernswordandsorcery?Thereyougodear.Nowwipethecheetodustoffyourkeyboardandansweryoufaggot.

recommend me a serial killer story story set in a fantasy world with all the moving parts of a high fantasy but actually written as an intimate novel of investigators trying to solve a murder

>Love of main character dies at the beginning
God damn it man, it's so cliche. But I need it in the story for it all to come together at the end.

>>17573136
Cliché is fine if you find a way to flip it, to do it afresh.

>>17573038
>What do you want to see in modern sword and sorcery?

i think genre fiction should abandon the "genre" and just experiment fantasy or what-else one's mind could create and think. I think that should also stimulate the intelligence of the reader.

>It seems like it's men's romance

Yeah, Moorock had in youth, apparently, a complicated love life so in some the earliest stories you could see how much he wanted to be loved and love. And imho in this you can see how much he was a romantic and gothic in the literal sense of the term.

>why is it so underwritten in this generation

I'm not a frequent reader so i admittedly didn't notice this; also i'm interested in older books right now.

What's kino in fantasy?

>>17573166
Bakker

>>17573151
Why are you reading older books? What is lacking in modern fantasy that you return to the golden oldies?

>>17573111
nice idead: a gory mentally ill teleporting wizard that can splorch your ass out but prefer to do it very slowly

>>17573184
thank you now write the book so I can read it

Drawfag here. Are there any accurate description of nonmen women? I'd like to try my hand.

>>17573103
bakker isn't a clone, he brings many new ideas to the table, he's influenced by Tolkien, that isn't the same thnig as making unimaginative derivative schlock.

Sanderson is not remotely a tolkien clone either, they aren't similar at all.

>>17573211
Creppy shit.

>>17573211
Do you mean something of this aesthetic?

>>17573211
like the men but female?

Looking for the discord. Give me the link?

>>17573211
fused teeth

>“Now he was…dust. To an outside observer, these ten seconds had been ground up into ten thousand uncorrelated moments and scattered throughout real time - and in model time, the outside world had suffered an equivalent fate. Yet the pattern of his awareness remained perfectly intact: somehow he found himself, “assembled himself” from these scrambled fragments. He’d been taken apart like a jigsaw puzzle - but his dissection and shuffling were transparent to him. Somehow - on their own terms - the pieces remained connected.
Imagine a universe entirely without structure, without shape, without connections. A cloud of microscopic events, like fragments of space-time … except that there is no space or time. What characterizes one point in space, for one instant? Just the values of the fundamental particle fields, just a handful of numbers. Now, take away all notions of position, arrangement, order, and what’s left? A cloud of random numbers. But if the pattern that is me could pick itself out from all the other events taking place on this planet, why shouldn’t the pattern we think of as ‘the universe’ assemble itself, find itself, in exactly the same way? If I can piece together my own coherent space and time from data scattered so widely that it might as well be part of some giant cloud of random numbers, then what makes you think that you’re not doing the very same thing?”― Greg Egan, Permutation City

>>17573239
>“Now he was…dust. To an outside observer, these ten seconds had been ground up into ten thousand uncorrelated moments and scattered throughout real time - and in model time, the outside world had suffered an equivalent fate. Yet the pattern of his awareness remained perfectly intact: somehow he found himself, “assembled himself” from these scrambled fragments. He’d been taken apart like a jigsaw puzzle - but his dissection and shuffling were transparent to him. Somehow - on their own terms - the pieces remained connected.

>Imagine a universe entirely without structure, without shape, without connections. A cloud of microscopic events, like fragments of space-time … except that there is no space or time. What characterizes one point in space, for one instant? Just the values of the fundamental particle fields, just a handful of numbers. Now, take away all notions of position, arrangement, order, and what’s left? A cloud of random numbers.

>But if the pattern that is me could pick itself out from all the other events taking place on this planet, why shouldn’t the pattern we think of as ‘the universe’ assemble itself, find itself, in exactly the same way? If I can piece together my own coherent space and time from data scattered so widely that it might as well be part of some giant cloud of random numbers, then what makes you think that you’re not doing the very same thing?”


― Greg Egan, Permutation City

>>17573211
Ethereally beautiful but bald and white-marble skinned. I pictured them as wearing elaborate headdresses.

>>17573228
>those poor asymmetrical titties
Disturbing, thank the Tusk for exterminating those abominations

>>17573245
*brutally makes Bakker seethe*

>>17570567
because it's boring

>>17573239
>>17573245
cringe

>>17572909
This sounds fascist.

>>17573284
Filtered.

>>17573288
>this sound facist

I think you are in the wrong place buddy.

>>17573224
You understood clearly what I meant by "clone". They all bring something unique to the table, but the formula is the same. There's nothing new or "awesome"(in the truest sense of the word) about post Tolkien fantasy.

When was the last time that you were truly amazed by a fantasy work? The only person that produced something truly significant, in the last 20 years, was Bakker. And even he didn't deviate from the "Classic" formula.

Having Orcs and Elves doesn't make it Tolkien by default, but the absence of those elements doesn't remove "Tolkienism" either.

>hmm, wait.. what if Kellhus like.. teleports behind him and chops his head off.. man this is gonna be awesome.

>haha "Curse Likaro", never get old, those guys are gonna love this.

Inriltas starts choking Maith.. ok what would happen next...

!1

I've got it. Haha, Inriltas you little fool, Maithanet may be a half caste but he's half DUNYAIN, he's got a KNIFE tucked away in his sleeve, you were walking on conditioned ground the whole time. then.. WHAM, soft , what a line!.

Yup still got it.

All of this is based

>>17573250
To be honest I always imagined them as tall and lanky, sort of a modern fashion model build, displaying clear grace and control and sort of an aristocratic feel. Long legs, long arms, tiny features (so small breasts, small ass, small face). Not very curvy either. Bald and white of course, wearing simple, black silks so fine that they basically appear as paint on the body. Similar to what they dressed Serwa in.
Also, nonmen are time and time again described as "more than men", in they everything they do is so insanely perfect, that a mere human wouldn't even comprehend. Nonmen in their prime must have had such a powerful and advanced civilization.

pic related

>>17573336
Bakkar substitutes good writing with terminology.

>>17573334
Haven't read him but mievelle seems pretty creative. What exactly do you understand the classic formula to be?

Bakkerfags, Sandersoyfags and Eganfags are just making me want to ignore all their work completely.

>>17573178
Because i did not read it in the past when i was younger and i become a decent reader only now that I'm over 30. But the main reason is that i was fascinated by the idea of discovering the roots* of the so-called speculative fiction in a chronological manner; from whose ideas came this or that and from what background.
Admittedly I'm bit of an ignorant in the matter of modern or contemporary sff but i don't hold prejudice against it
*i developed this idea independently from that excerpt

>>17573038
About Howard: I read if i'm i right " tower of the elephant, rouge in the house, the devil in iron, people of the black circle, the god in the bowl, xhutal of the dusk, a witch shall be born + one or two i can't remember". now reading queen of the black coast. found them cool, highs and lows too bad he killed himself.

>>17573334
To be honest I've never read a more compelling "bad guy" that the Consult itself. It's so vivid and it fits Earwa so well, that clearly Bakker has a deep understanding of his world. He probably spend years on his life just imagining stuff happening, scenarios, events, history, etc.
I wish we explored the Consult more but I feel like revealing their mysteries would do them a disfavor.

>>17573362
le marketers will cry

I put on my robe and wizard hat.

>>17573339
spot on
headdresses though please
and i don’t think they would wear only
black... the men are described as wearing garments of many colors

>>17573344
Perdido Street Station is on my list

>>17573383
this is the greatest line ever written in fantasy prove me wrong

>>17573334
i don't think tolkienism is THAT spread in general fanatsy literature, maybe just in top of the iceberg commercial fantasy? i dunno. also fantasy isn't just ancient-medieval-premodern settings or nordic sagas

Stop hiding the discord from me.
Why do you protect your safe space so much?
Why so fragile you cucks?
Post the discord link

>>17573391
I think it's canon that nonmen don't distinguish color. They're likely colorblind. They also have no paintings and can't even see paintings, that's why they only deal in sculptures and reliefs as their primary form of art. Yeah, of course maybe they wear more than one color for whatever reasons (such as the natural color of a fabric or material used in their clothing), but a nonman in day to day life would probably only wear black.

>>17573336
>haha "Curse Likaro", never get old, those guys are gonna love this.
I feel attacked.

>>17569410
>Has your feeble mind ever considered that he might not even hate any author at all?
Maybe hate is the wrong word, but you're clearly, sorry, I mean THEY are clearly obsessed with Sanderson. Why else would THEY post about him as much as THEY do?
>I reckon that the person who spams the same memes on every thread is only after your elaborate responses. Which your never fail to deliver, it seems.
Then you're clearly not paying attention, because I personally scroll by at least a half dozen of those memes in every thread that don't have replies, and if you think the ones that do are "elaborate" then I'm definitely right about who's pointlessly spamming nonsense constantly.
>(You)
Friendly reminder that whoring for (You)'s is as reddit as you can get and you're a total embarrassment. Does that little dopamine boost make the sads go away for a minute? Can you even explain why you or anyone would be so obsessed with other people's shit taste?
inb4 "HAHA YOU REPLIED THAT MEANS YOU'RE UPSET!" We already established you're a redditor, you don't have to keep beating people about the head with it.

BAKKER BAKKER BAKKER!!!!
YOU HAVE TO READ!!!!!!!!!!!

>>17573409
*or good vs evil

>>17573336
>curse Likaro
That was unironically a good addition because of what happens at the end.

>>17573178
https://www.gwern.net/Culture-is-not-about-Esthetics

Kosoter is scary... because he's scary...

BRAVO BAKKER

>>17573344
>>17573365
>>17573409

I know that some people will shit on me for this, but for me the Tolkien formula goes something like:

>Deep historical setting. Which always unfolds during the narrative
>Main characters usually part of a prophecy (not always the case, of course.)
>Power acquisition along the way is a must. (Character starts weak and progresses from there.)
>Good vs Evil dynamic. Even Martin does this.
>Multiple fantastical races, with cultures that are honestly poorly done (Human mannerisms, languages, alphabets and levels or intelligence are always akin to the one that humans have. There's nothing in between.)
>Medieval setting.
>Multiple PoV party driven.
>Main characters embark on a Heroic quest to save somethin/someone.
>Magic

I like of lot of the things I've mentioned, but it's more of the same. It takes a brilliant mind to elevate those things.

Heeey Bakkerboys!! Just get back from the Bakkering and boy am I Bakkered! What's the Bakker today gents? Having a stiff Bakker now and getting little Bakkeren if you know what I mean

SCI FI IS GAY AND DEAD
BAKKER WINS AGAIN
AND ALL WE READ IS BAKKER
AND THATS THE END!

>>17573442
I clogged the shitter with a Bakker.

>>17573442
>>17573451
>>17573436
You have to be mentally retarded to enjoy "Bakker"

>>17573419
>MUST REPLY TO THE REDDITORS!!!!!

>>17573438
That is so vague that literally every story ever written, even, has some or even all of those elements. You simply can not write a fictional story without including some of those.

lol just seeinga lot of cope from "scifi" fags. your books are all a waste of god damn time literally chasing fiaries and dragons like idiots meanwhile bakker is writing seriously intense psyocholigcal development shit thats food for the mind and what you're going to post some bullshit DnD campaign write up that was transformed into a garbage paper back novel??? hahahahah this fucking thread is DONE. Bakker is and always will be. get used to it.

>>17573438
>Tolkien formula
It's almost like Tolkien was inspired by predecessing myths that follow these formulas, and for good reason. Tolkien didn't invent any of this structure.

>>17573442
>>17573451
>>17573453
lmao

>>17573438
>Power acquisition along the way is a must.
not part of tolkien

>Good vs Evil dynamic
unfair, better description would be tolkien has many clearly good and evil characters dark lord etc. Most works of fiction and particularly fantasy will have "good vs evil" purely because they have a villain, I think that's too broad.

>>17573459
Looool seethe and cope nobody gives a fuck about your SPEARMANNIII dnD campaign novel that all reads the same. Bakker is taking over the thread and thats all we WILL be talking about. you are free to fucking leave, /sffg/ is literally going to be onyl for fucking Bakker or GTFO

>>17573339
wow woman with no pussy!

>>17573473
falseflag

2nd apocalypse is literally a dnd campaign, bakker was the GM

>>17573493
probable falseflag

Someone help the Bakkerschizo take his meds! He's lose it!

>>17573499
>He's lose it!
Low IQ shitter detected.

>>17573507
Bakker SUCKS.

/sffg/ NEW RULES 2021:
If you aren't posting content related somehow to Bakker you will be told to LEAVE. /sffg/ is now a Bakker thread only and no other discussion will be TOLERATED. You WILL read and discuss Bakker, which is theo nly sci-fi writer worth mentioning.

>>17573499
>the Bakkerschizo
>the
>singular
check the poll results BAKA
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655

>>17570567
Wasn't that bad of a book, I actually did not like God emperor of Dune. To be honest all the books after the first one just didn't do it for me.

>>17573489
>Power acquisition along the way is a must.
not part of tolkien

they find power in the way of objects (like galadriel's, theorically the numenoran blade but on that i'm dubious imo the witch king was a hack and his power was just terror) and counsels by the people they meet( gombadil, the wise at Elrond's, the elves near the green way, faramir etc)

>>17573513

>>17573519
BAKKER DOMINATING IN THE POLLS LOOOOL
Why do people ven read garbage that isnt Bakker? literally all sci fi is base don Bakker and Bakker is theo nly bakkerin thing that should be allowed in this stupid fuckign thread. sci fi faggot gay ass dungeon and dragon idiot incel you WILL read the bakker AND YOU WILL IKE ITT~!!! BAKKER THREAD NOW SFFG IS BAKKLER

>>17570567
who was the one where you see the real events of the rise of moadib instead of reading the story from Irulan pov?

>>17573513
Based.

>>17573546
Sorry Bakker discussion only feel free to make a Dune thread

Recommend me a SCIFI novel that is character based with minimal terminology.

>>17573560
can i post dick pics if i've a bakker book to show beside?

I, ANON, AND THE MEMBERS OF /SFFG/ HIGH COUNCIL, WE'VE DECIDE TO OFFICIALY DISBAND THIS GENERAL, FOR THE RELATED MOTIVES:

-BAKKER SHILL ARE OUT OF CONTROL
-BAKKERSHITPOSTING


AS, WE, THE HIGH COUNCIL, BY THE POWER GRANTED TO US, DECIED TO DISBAND THIS GENERAL. LEAVES THIS GENERAL FOR THE BAKKERSCHIZO. HAVE A GOOD DAY AND GODSPEED, ANONS.

>>17573575
Thats fine because you mentioned Bakker and only Bakkerposting is tolerated here.

Why can't you idiots just shut the fuck up with this author battle and just talk fantasy and fiction? There have been several interesting points raised in this thread (pheromone/non verbal communication comes to mind) and mostly nobody fucking bothered to chime in, instead spamming the thread with the same inane low IQ shit talk. I'm actually so done.
>>17573391
>>17573413
I'm going to sleep now but I'll likely finish by tomorrow and post in the thread.

Maester Aemon was keeping in contact with Bloodraven this whole time via communications with the ravens.

>>17573574
2nd apocalypse by bakker

>>17573482
that's blatant

>>17573586
>not a single mention of Bakker ikn the post
dont let the door hityou on the way out retard!

>>17573586

>>17573578
Can we please stop this bakkering? It's getting out of bakker.

>>17573234
>>17572772
>discord
>>17571746
>discord
>>17573412
>discord

dudes the links is in the mega folder

>>17573466
How is that vague? That's the basis for virtually every modern fantasy setting.

>>17573611
Give me the link now you cuck. Saving your safe space like a loser.

when /sffg/ gets Scalded
i am going to start a real bakker general. it’s a good idea desu.
i feel bad for the normies in here who want to discuss other stuff. the Meat has taken the Ordeal; yet the anti-bakker seethefest Horde is also out of control.
not everyone can be saved...

>We almost burned through this thread in ~6 hours.

>>17573610
bakkerson sanderchard

>>17573640
If you post the discord link then it will go slower

Sold all my other garbage books to buy bakker complete editions finally a real fucking book i can relate to and that helps me with my life. there is only bakker and bakker is the only author that even makes sense. scifi is a dead end genre but bakker is the savior.

>>17573519
>implying this isn't prime evidence one or all of you are deeply obsessive-compulsive schizoids
How long are you going to keep reposting this poll? :^)

>>17573625
i'm not in the server also my penis is like a large clitoris wanna see?

>>17573652
i got ocd but not a schizoid

>fell for Bakker propaganda
>read half of The Darkness that Comes Before
>Kellhus is a Mary Sue that can instantly learn and do everything
eh.

>>17573673
He's just a better Brent Weeks, and that's not saying much.

>>17573666
same satan

>>17573673
Dude is not even a human bro.

>>17573690
Yeah, yeah I get it but it's like DBZ tier in terms of "development". The writing isn't bad or anything, but characters like this are not interesting whatsoever to me. Too many shitposters lately.

>>17573586
Can’t wait to see, Anon.

>>17573702
There are a couple high-IQ Bakkerfags who post entertaining high-quality content, but yeah, the majority are retarded poo-flinging shitposters.

>>17573679
i'm good now with therapy and drugs. ironically i had the magical thought/superstition version

>>17573419
>Wakes up.
>Takes estrogen pills.
>Drinks onions milk.
>Goes through all the missing /sffg/ entries.
>Replies to old posts on dead threads.
>Internally seethes that people shit on Sanderson. (Even if it's clearly shit-posting)
>Falls for the same bait over and over again.
>Cannot accept this fact
>Creates a false narrative that he must always express in his posts.
>Always types new elaborate replies for dopamine's sake and self grandeur.
>Uses the same 5/6 pictures.
>Smells his 200+ dollar leather bound Way of Kings edition and cums.

What is the rest of your day like?

Also, what's your YouTube channel? I want you to know that I'm making a collection of your posts :^) Maybe you can make a Youtube video about that.

Thanks for the (You)s though.

DISCORD DISCORD CONCORD DISCORD DISCORD DISCORD DISCORD DIS...

https://discord.gg/trkGb9ucrW

>>17573736
>Drinks onions milk.
what... is this shit real?

>>17573748
Try typing "onions"

>>17573720
i’m on SSRI’s, which help with the ocd and depression, but make me slightly manic and more prone to shitposting.

>>17573754
power of internet eh

>>17573770
>>17573748
The word is onions

>>17573736
>I lack self-awareness: the post
God you sandersoys are so fucking retarded.

>>17573822
Where's your IQ? Because I can't see it.

>>17573762
a hug for my friendo pal

>>17573834
That's because the IQ of a Bakkerfan is so bakkerific you can't even fathom it Sandersöy

>>17572683
k, makes sense. didn't finished the book, actually i'm reading it like a manual so i hop here and there

>>17573736
>saves my picture
>obsessively posts about what I spend my money on
>fabricates elaborate fantasies about my life like a normal person
If I were a woman I'd be worried you were trying to stalk-rape me at this point. Who knows, maybe you actually are. God you're a creep.

>>17573334
Tell me what's Tolkienistic about The Blue World by Vance
>>17573436
Everything about the slog was a really awful slog honestly
>>17573611
Don't spoonfeed vegetables

>>17573884
>Tell me what's Tolkienistic about The Blue World by Vance
Never read it. Maybe I will. What's it about?

>>17573881
dude they are just photos reposted by a troll

>>17573881
I accept your surrender.

>>17573881
Why are you replying to my posts? Is that a personal attack or something?

>>17573736
anyway i didn't own many collectable editions of books but what i own i almost always regretted to buy because they are underwhelming. imho a good well done paperback edition with all his this done right is better and more MORE readable (ok maybe that's not the point of collectables?)

>>17573841
thanks fren, same to you
writing and painting are good ways for me to still the madness within. but i also spend way too much time here. i need to practice meditation instead of shitposting,

>>17573899
>>17573908
>>17573917
Why are there always 3 replies pretending like you have no idea what you're doing when I call out your shit? Curious.

>>17573917
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

*Shhhiff* *ZA ZING*

>>17573932
There's no point to collectibles, it's just a waste of money.

>>17573896
A really blue world. But really it's extremely well written, interesting setting, a plot that moves, and excellent prose. Following spoiler doesn't spoil anything after chapter 1 or maybe 2. Set on a water world with no land. People live on basically giant lily pads. Their tools, houses, clothing, food, etc. are all derived from parts of the plants they live on, or spores they farm, or (if I remember right) fish. Their ancestors crash landed there 12 generations ago. They suffered predation by massive squids and ended up regularly offering food to a massive one they call King Kragen who keeps all the other squids away. Some people basically worship King Kragen. The novel is about the conflicts involved.

>>17573948
Does it trouble you?

this has to be the fastest i’ve ever seen a /sffg/ thread blaze past. are you guys on drugs?

>>17573984
Most of America is snowed in. All the teenagers are stuck indoors with no school to preoccupy them.

>>17573948
I have no idea. Maybe you're just the biggest meme on /sffg/. Ever considered that?

B A K K E R
A
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K
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>>17573984
cope and seethe non-bakkerite

>>17574068
BAKKER
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>>17574029
>LOOK I CAN PROXYHOP JUST LIKE I DID FOR THE POLL
Boring. Though it is just as likely that you're 3 discord faggots with an axe to grind playing raid like EPIC HACKERS ON STEROIDS. Either way, your obsession is as exhausting as it is pathetic.

BAKKER BOD
BAKKER MOD
BAKKER IS THE SON OF GOD

>>17574105

>>17574105

>>17574105

>>17574105

>>17574105

TRUTH SHINES

>>17573762
I've thought about death almost every day for the last 8 years, is the SSRI & therapy meme real?