/lit/ - Literature

Sanderson is shit.

we bacc

what are the best star wars books?

>>17559632
I struggle to see how any dragon that could be hunted would be worth hunting.

>>17559646
You literally have autism.

Threadly reminder to read Bakker. Start with The Darkness That Comes Before. The Second Apocalypse series is part of the /sffg/ canon. Not understanding Bakker memes renders you blind to most of the relevant discussion that goes on here.

>>17559879
no thanks. all the incessant bakkerposting itt makes me not want to read it

Bakker is the No-God of sffg

I got filtered hard by Iron Dragon's Daughter when it got to the highechool part.
Should I slog through it? Does it get better at all?

Also got filtered very hard by Fortresses of the Pearl, the "second" Elric story. Someone said it's not necessarily canon, so can I just skip this shit? I loved the first book and powered through it in a single afternoon, but my problem is I HATE dreams and dream sequences in fantasy. It's NEVER done good, dreams in fantasy are so inane.

>>17559931
If you don't like IDD by that point you'll be wasting your time with the rest

>>17559879
Read the Darkness That Came Before. Overall I really liked it but the mindfuck shit that the Dunyain does just makes me depressed so I havent continued the series. Is it worth it to continue if that stuff makes me feel bad?

>>17560002
That's the thing, I liked it. I read the first part in a sitting then she crashed near that city and she went to fucking school. And the whole fucking teenage high-school romance drama and inane classes stuff, that's what filtered me.

Please shill me a post-apocalyptic fantasy series if there is even such a thing, something like band of adventurers wanders the world or small settlement tries to survive after evil cult opened the gates of Hell, insane mage set off the magical nukes or rebel army released the plague in the water system etc.

>>17559863
Wrong. I don’t read Sanderson.
>>17559879
Based.
>>17559888
>Implying you haven’t been filtered.
>>17560073
You need to be 18 to post here.

>>17560258
Bakker, the dude that has been shilled threadly for the past half a fucking year. Are you a tourist?
The whole thing takes place after the actual, literal Apocalypse, the end of the damn world, and the sides are trying to prevent a second apocalypse. That's literally the name if the books series, not even memeing. The second apocalypse series.

Also I swear I've never said this before, but lurk more.

>>17560258
"Swan Song" by Robert McCammon is just the thing for you. Its just a single book, no series though. It is pretty wild read, all that "The Stand" pretended to be and failed miserably at. Satisfying ending too, unlike the joke of an ending we got in Stand.

>>17560272
I'm allowed to feel bad when Kelhus psychologically assrapes random people.

>>17560294
But wasn't the first apocalypse tens of thousands of years before the event of the series? We don't go through the immediate aftermath or the rebuilding process.
>>17560295
Thanks, I'll look into it. So you don't recommend The Stand? I had my eye on it but I've never really liked King t.bh

>>17560361
>But wasn't the first apocalypse tens of thousands of years before the event of the series?
No, it was 2 thousand. And half the world never recovered from it.

As much as I like Bakker, I believe bakkerposting has become very low effort lately and it saddens me.

>>17560419
As much as I like Bakkerposters, I believe that posting about bakkerposting has become very low effort lately and it saddens me.

>>17560419
>>17560427
The others might slack off, but I keep it 100, Anon.

>>17560419
>>17560427
An endless loop of high grade autism, just like muh dunyain.

>>17560272
>I don't read Sanderson, I just post about him obsessively because I hate him so much and it makes the voices stop for a time

>>17560707
Does it trouble you?

>>17560707
I don’t think that anyone here hates Sanderson. He’s irrelevant.

Bros, I can’t tell which Nonmen Mansion is my favorite. (no spoilers following)

Ishoriöl/Ishterebinth
>like a cathedral to dementia and heartbreak
>”is this the house of a sane king?”
Viri
>cool hats
>cool stubborness and old-fashioned habits
>muh farming
>muh white lion pelt
Illiserû
>not-Sea Elves
>”the Sea is their Deepest Deep”
>muh tragic failed sneak attack on Golgotterath
>muh sacred baths
>muh Orovelai
Siöl
>the London, Paris and Rome of Nonman Mansions
>imagine the grandeur

>>17560707
I unironically love Sanderson. It’s your (you)s I’m looking for.

>"does it trouble you" anon is completely enslaved by his darkness
ironic

I honestly liked Name of the Wind. First book is very comfy but second book is a slog until Kvothe goes and lives with the nomadic sword people

There is nothing wrong with Tekne.

>>17560962
i'm a skin-sky btw, not sure if that matters

>>17560962
when you realize the Inoculation was Inchoroi nanobots

OFFICAL SFFG CORE:

>START WITH BAKKER
>CONTINUE WITH MARTIM
>RESUME WITH WOLFE
>ENDS WITH TOLKIEN

EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST NOISE.

>>17561006
reverse the order

>>17560962
It’s actually interesting that Bakker portrays intelligent beings with no souls, as things that cannot understand paradoxes.

>>17561006
I like this.

>>17561006
It depends bro, if you are doomer, then yes, ends with Bakker, if you are bloomer then ends with Tolkien, peace brother.

I don’t actually read Bakker in order... I just skip around reading random passages until a picture of the story emerges. Reading as wandering.... Like the nonmen’s Isuphiryas.

>>17561030
>>17561013
>>17561026
Wrong quote.

What is the inverse fire?

>>17561058
water.

>>17561058
the fire that is inverse.

>>17561006
DOOMER READING ORDER FOR THE SFFG CANON:

>START WITH TOLKIEN
>CONTINUE WITH WOLFE
>RESUME WITH MARTIM
>ENDS WITH BAKKER

BLOOMER READING ORDER FOR THE SFFG CANON

>START WITH BAKKER
>CONTINUE WITH MARTIM
>RESUME WITH WOLFE
>KEEP GOING WITH TOLKIEN
>ENDS WITH SANDERSON

>>17561058
An ultra-HD, ancient Inchoroi HUD that shows the horrific, undeniable truth of your soul burning in hell and immediately convinces everyone who looks in it to become heckin evil and attempt to shut the World.

>>17561058
a tekne portal into the outside (maybe).

>>17561069
KEK'D

>>17561084
>Inchoroi
Pretty sure they weren't the ones who built it.

>>17561084
>>17561086
It was made by the progenitors. Speaking of which, is the No-God a barely conscious progenitor encased in a super-weapon sarcophagus?

https://www.strawpoll.me/42644266


Choose brothers.

>>17561120
Interesting. I always thought of it as an object/computer program since it requires a Subject to activate.
I personally thought the Ark might contain a Progenitor as its guiding intelligence/soul

>>17561127

>>17561127
There’s no choice to have. Both choices are shit.

>>17561165
No.

>>17561127
>>17561127
>>17561127

>>17561204
>>17561147
stop autistically self-spamming, you coked out brazilian monkey

there are only like 5 people reading these threads at any given time

>>17561127
>Sanderson
Lol

>>17561127
>sanderson
opinion discarded

>>17561229
just vote, and shut up.

>>17561255
>Both options have Sanderson
No wonder you’re a low IQ autistic retard.

>>17561278
>>17561246
>>17561240

So, should Sanderson be out of SFFG core reading?

>>17561290
>should generic lowbrow airport schlock that is viewed as drivel even by its most ardent fans be canonized alongside the great works of literary sff?
you tell me, anon...

>>17561315
Alright, so no Sanderson, Bakker, Wolfe or Tolkien. I'll remake the poll with that in mind.

>>17561325
Ebic meme

>>17561315
Ok, Sanderson is out of SFFG core reading.

>START TOLKIEN
>CONTINUE WITH WOLFE
>RESUME WITH MARTIM
>END WITH BAKKER

It's all right for y'all ?

So is Kellhus manipulating and beating the Three Seas. into total submission basically the same kind of heavy-handed psychosocial manipulation we're currently seeing take place globally thanks to our own. elites?

>>17561496
Kellhus is not human. I’m on book 5, and even now it’s not clear what his true motivations are.

>>17561530
Conquer the Outside and dethrone God, that as Kellhus endgame.

>>17561551
Not him, but are you saying that his motivations are the same as the Inchoroi? Only they want to cut the Outside off from reality and not conquer it. Still, the question is for what purpose? The progenitors/Inchoroi want to avoid the fate revealed by the inverse fire, what does Kellhus want?

>>17561551
Not surprising, even for someone who hasn’t made it that far in the books. But Kellhus is an enigma for everyone, Bakker included.

Why is every single sff book with a 4.5/5 star on Goodreads absolute dogshit?

>>17561575
>>17561583
Dethrone God, that is, become one with everything, that was his endgame, but his son fucked him up at the end of unholy. Incharoi as just tools for a AI, that was a tool for some depraved bygone race that wants to be free from the gods judgment;

>>17561575
>Where you fall as fodder, I descend as hunger.

>>17561597
I’ve noticed some interesting patterns on goodreads, especially with niche books/authors.

The best books usually have a scoring between 3.5 and 4 on average, and you can lays ignore 1 and 5 star reviews. Those people add nothing to the discussion. The best reviews are 3 and 4 stars, because those people actually finished the books.

E William Brown, fuck!

>>17561604
When I found out that Kelmomas was going to go from just being extremely annoying to you-know-what I just dropped the series.

serious. you know how some european flags have dragons in it, does that tie into hunting dragons as some sigil anglo war propaganda thing?

>>17561648
A voice cried out like thunder from the throats of a thousand thousand Sranc:
MUUMMMMMMEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

>>17561026
A paradox requires a heuristic collapse. At some point, the sense-making apparatus will fold into an internal consensus on how to handle the paradox.

Another way: Paradoxes aren't real. There is only that which is, which necessarily must remain cogent in some (even if not understood) context. They are pure constructs of linguistic consciousness (ie, whatever might be considered a 'soul'). So, to really 'understand' one, you need to be able to divorce yourself from pure reality into something like pragmatic self-space.

>>17561679
Thanks Scott
Hope the arthritis is getting better

>>17561648
kek.

Ok Bakkerbros, what are some weak points in the series? For me? it's

>sheer amount of sexual shit
>rape everywhere
>the second trilogy Bakker throws fucking gods on the mix, the first trilogy has a good balance between mystical and ground reality
>gratuitous violence for what purpose? just for "we want the martim audience"
>Anasurimbor family drama was shit, Kellhus alone was toptier
>esmenet is shit.

>>17561679
I hope this is you Richard. I know that people close to you shitpost here. Just post something on your blog ffs, we just want to know if you’re doing alright.

>>17561679
Thats why I hate philosophy, shit is just words and word, hard science is so much better.

>>17561679
I hope all the memes I've labored so hard to make have helped to boost your sales.
I hope your family is okay, and I hope the Maple Leafs make it to the playoffs.
And I hope you're using your time in lockdown wisely, and are at least two thirds done with the No-God book, you goddamn stubborn Canuck bastard.

>>17561704
>Anasurimbor family drama was shit, Kellhus alone was toptier
>esmenet is shit.
Only these. Esmi should've just received the whalemother treatment.

>>17560340
Have you had mental ptoblems diagnosed?

Predictions for Book VIII
Kellhus' soul trapped in the Other Decapitant
Mim, Esmi, Akka, and Akka Jr. infiltrate Ark to rescue him (and Malowebi)
Serwa is alive but wounded, Kayutas brings her to safety along with a few survivors of Resumption
Some fuckery with Ajokli-Cnaiür entering the Hells in a very bad mood.
We find out what really happened to Shea.
Crab Hand Kid learns Psûke from Meppa, combines with innate Dunyain abilities plus metagnosis for le heckin ultra-über-sorcery

>>17562018
>he still thinks that Bakker will write no-god

Kek, stop the coping, bro.

> S A N D E R S O N
> C O S M E R E
> R A D I A N T
> S H A R D S
> S P R E N
> W I N D S P R E N
> H O N N OR S P R E N
> C R E A T I O N S P R E N
> ...
> D E A T H S P R E N
> S H A R D P L A T E
> S H A R D B L A D E
> S T O R M L I G H T
> V O I D L I G H T
> T O W E R L I G H T
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> P A T T E R N
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> F A B R I A L S
> I M M O R T A L W O R D S
> O A T H S
> D I A G R A M
> S A D E A S
> S A F E H A N D

>>17562196
Nobody here says that Sanderson is top tier, is almost a consensus that Sanderson is shlock overall, fun, but still a shlock. Stop projecting.

>>17562196
literal anime capeshit

>>17562213
You don't know what projecting is.

>>17562196
Those names are so original.

>>17562225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hj9-UNvrek

>>17562284
Pretty cool animation, not gonna lie, fun as fuck, animet-tier sure, but fun, fuck those anti-sanderson, time to read smrotlight archives, seems fun.

>>17562213
>fun
>repetitive infodumping
>constantly being told plot, characterization and themes in the most patronizing way possible instead of just showing things organically
>horrendous pacing
>terrible dialogue
>overly described and wordy action scenes that have all the tension and speed of explaining movement to a dumb blind person
>one-note, carticaturish characters that always stick to their tropey molds, while spinning in place regarding their development until the snail paced plot manages to catch up due to the terrible hand holding
>fun

>>17562314
WoK and WoR were fun. Oathbringer is where series pacing really went to shit. I haven't even bothered with RoW as I've heard it's even worse.

>>17562284
Is this the sort of shit that actually happens in his books?
Also imagine not having ultra autistic fans that make top tier fan shit like Watts.
https://blindsight.space/

>>17559931
i got filtered by that pseudo-philosophy by Elric early in the book but i want to finish the book anyway and having read all the 60-70s things i'm reading The Revenge of the Rose and finding it more fun

>>17562387
same. I dropped dawnshard because I was getting actually angry at the writing. you can really tell how much disdain he has for his readers. he treats them like you'd treat a 60 IQ mouthbreather who needs even the simplest concepts explained to them over and over

>>17562534
>I was getting actually angry at the writing
This desu

>>17562534
I remember that in his last book, he repeated something about larger gemstones to the point of being unbearable.

Daily reminder

>>17559879
someone please fix this meme, its numerous inaccuracies have been pointed out in other threads

>>17562817
Agreed.

>>17559806
Darth Bane books
Plagueis

Thats pretty much it. Rest of the books are poo.

>>17562387
> WoK and WoR were fun. Oathbringer is where series pacing really went to shit.
This. The pacing in the first two books is actually alright. They're long, but they have a lot going on. Oathbringer is the one where they took all the separate threads of the plot and mashed them into Marvel's Avengers where all the main characters became practically immortal superheroes that team up and fight evil. The majority of the criticism of Stormlight is really just criticism of Oathbringer (and probably ROW, haven't read it yet) Which is fine I guess, since I can't see the series being revived. But still, Way of Kings and Words of Radiance deserve some recognition for being good books even if the series went on to shit the bed later.

>>17561127
faggot

Improved poll made by different anon
>Pick your favorite fantasy author.
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655

>>17562909
>https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655
>already for Bakker votes

This poll was made by arthritic hands...

>>17562461
>alien that don't have consciousness can do calculus

Still can't wrap my head around that idea, it's just wrong, if you don't have consciousness you can't have high level math, it's impossible. Watts was wrong there.

>>17562919
This is the saddest cope.

>>17562909
Oh no no no no no

We got too cocky sanderbros

>>17562950
Think again. Slime molds don't have brains or any kind of nervous system, yet are capable of solving extremely complicated puzzles. It's only the next logical step to imagine a non-conscious being developing higher maths. And how much of our consciousness is as it appears? Aren't our own brains blind in their own multitude of ways?

>>17562909
21 for Bakker, 1 for Tolkien, 1 for Sanderson. Sounds about right.

>>17561679
>A paradox requires a heuristic collapse. At some point, the sense-making apparatus will fold into an internal consensus on how to handle the paradox.

>Another way: Paradoxes aren't real. There is only that which is, which necessarily must remain cogent in some (even if not understood) context. They are pure constructs of linguistic consciousness (ie, whatever might be considered a 'soul'). So, to really 'understand' one, you need to be able to divorce yourself from pure reality into something like pragmatic self-space.

Father...?

>>17562980
JUST HOW BRO? IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE WHAT YOU SAID THERE CHIEF.

>>17562909
>Sandaro in last place

LMAO

>>17563071
there's literally one sandershitter.... just like we knew all along

>>17563073
>>17563071
>>17562974
>>17562784

>NOOOOOOOOO STOP CRITICIZIN THE FACT THAT I SPENT 1000$ on Sanderson BOOKS!!!

>>17562909
OH NO SANDERSONBROS WE GOT TO COCKY

>>17561604
Use spoilers you absolute retard.

>>17562909
>54 votes
>30 posters itt

Fucking lurkers.

>>17562909
Where my Erikson bros at?

>>17563174
Does it trouble you?

>>17563203
NOW THATS SOME SHIT SERIES RIGHT THERE.

Formerly White Chuck's

>>17562909
>Imagine being one of the two sandersoys

for those who voted other, who did you have in mind?

>>17562846
what about the Thrawn books?

>>17563286
Jack Vance. Cringeworthy poll maker put dudes on there who wrote derivative shit a hundred years ago instead, oh well

it's fun that it's scifi and fantasy general but there are almost no one talking about scifi

>>17563226
WHITE CHUCK WARRIOR
DELIVER US FROM BLACK SNEED

I AM the H Y P E R C U B E poster, BEHOLD!

>>17563309
It's a Bakker's general

>>17563327
That's not a hypercube, dipstick. That's just a cube with concave beveled faces.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hypercube&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5zOrIoO_uAhUARjABHXE1Ca8Q_AUoAXoECBkQAw&biw=1920&bih=925#imgrc=h3xN6orlxciEuM that's a hypercube

>>17562909
>>17562909
>>17562909
>>17562909
>>17562909

So this is what the absolute looks like.

>>17563687
>Rumours of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.

Just finished Snow Crash. It was pretty good but did I not get something or did the author completely forgot about Raven's nuke ?

Currently reading Anathem by Neal Stephenson. The setting is a bit like The Name of the Rose but the characters seem out of sophist Harry Potter.
I have no idea what sort of reader he had in mind or how it made out of the editing process the way it did. The main character is a midwit that switches from autistic descriptions on architecture (60 pages to describe the convent and a fucking clock) to shit straight out of some YA novel. Why a first person narrator as soulless? It's a closed convent but he describes shit in his journal the potential readers (other monks) would already be familiar with, and it's just plain dettached exposition, no sense of awe or wonder.
Why the fuck does he need to pour muh worldbuilding down down your throat? A toast in the cafeteria is interrupted by literally 3 pages of the history of wine making. It's longer than the whole scene. The first 60 pages had like 20 lines of dialogue (the less insufferable parts).
220 pages in and I'm only making it through because I spoiled myself with what brings down conflict. I doubt anyone would keep reading for the world building alone.

>>17561137
>I personally thought the Ark might contain a Progenitor as its guiding intelligence/soul
I think it did, but it's either shut down or irreversably lost. The Inchoroi are orphans of the Ark. Sil was the first Inchoroi to shake off it's own aimlessness and that is why he got to be king of the Inchoroi.

Also, I think the Progenitors fused their souls or something like that to curb their population. The Inchoroi and Wracu get to have souls because the Progenitors didn't really mind if these bioweapons got killed in action and were sent to hell.

>>17563506
hard sf for this feel??

>>17561575
The Dunyan want to be in full control of their own souls. They've been trying to do this by taking control of their genetics and environment.

They hadn't considered the outside world or the Outside and how these things still had a hold over them that couldn't simply be walled off.

As each of them comes to understand this their strategies diverge though they still have the same goal of becomming self-moving souls as much as possible.

>>17563753
How would fusing their souls curb the population?
I think the Inchoroi and Wracu were given souls as an additional goad. Yes they already revel in debasement and destruction, but being intelligent there's the chance no matter how slight they can turn against the Progenitors...without the goad.
>>17563803
For Us, the Living

>>17561679
>Paradoxes aren't real. There is only that which is, which necessarily must remain cogent in some (even if not understood) context.
Implies logical coherence is necessary for the universe. We can only say for sure that it is necessary for our understanding of the universe, for us to construe useful models. "Everything is coherent with everything else" isn't something we directly observe but something we need to be true for us to even hope that understanding the universe is a possibility.

>>17563835
>>17563913
Maybe I missed something, but I got the sense from the Coffers of Sauglish scene that Wütteat was a souled creature from the Wracu-planet, naturally born, not created by the Inchoroi or Progenitors, the last of his race, who was held in stasis inside the Ark as it conquered many planets. All the Wracu of Eärwa are "derived" from Wütteat the same way that Sranc are "derived" from Nonmen. That's why Wütteat is considered the Father of Dragons.

>>17563913
>How would fusing their souls curb the population?
Many souls become one soul. This soul is tucked away for safe keeping. The weapon races are given souls for them to be goaded, like you say, but the progenitors couldn't have many of these guys around without it preventing their goal of having the number of souls below their target.

>>17563949
Interesting.

>>17563949
>>17563951
Ahuhhh maybe that's so. And from that it's reasonable to assume the tekne can split the souls back again after the world is closed.

>>17563506
i know, it's an artistic representation

>>17564090
Of course, it's a gif, it's an artistic expression...of a cube with concave beveled faces

>>17564109
it's a hypercube face seen from a specific standpoint in a 3D space

Other recommendations for sf with real tesserae and/or quantum science?

>>17564142
The Quantum Thief?

>>17559931
>"slighted slanted eyes"

>>17561914
You don't feel bad reading about such dark subjects? Maybe you need to be diagnosed.

Is it ever explained why Kehllus didn't take Atrithau for the Ordeal?

Also, why didn't they simplytake a fleet to Golgotterath?

>>17564481
Sailing there is really hard. The best nonmen sailors to ever live couldn’t even do it.

>>17564481
Atrithau is way more of a backwater than Sakarpus, with no Chorae Hoard. I doubt they had more than a strong town guard rather than a standing army. I'm sure K didn't want to waste his time rerouting to Atrithau and paying Leweth's grave a visit.

>>17564629
I guess it makes sense. It's just a shame that we didn't get to see more of Atrithau. Only then could we actually judge and see if it would make sense.

It's just that it's half the distance to Golgotterath when compared to Sakarpus.

>>17564672
I wish we had gotten to see more of Atrithau as well.
Also Eänna, Zeüm, Cingulat, Nilnamesh, and of course the ancient Nonmen and the ancient North.
But since there will never be sequels,we are just going to have to use our imaginations.

Well sffg I'm approaching the end of malazan. Whats next? Ringworld? The new Sun?

>>17563932
I would say I mostly agree, however, I think that it is also the case that rather that in 'universe' being 'inconsistent' it is more likely that there may be consistent sets of logic that our cognitive ecology is not set up to understand, and maybe even couldn't if it tried. That is, unless there are souls, which seem to necessarily break a need for logical coherence.

But thats the whole point of The Second Apocalypse, isnt it?

>>17564950
> rather that in 'universe'
*rather than the

Sorry, mild stroke.

When does it get good? no shitposting, I'm trying to get into this but after the first pages I want to drop it
It's really pretentious using many archaic and uncommon words, also he really tried to give everything an exotic name
and the beginning throws you in the middle of events with no context

>>17564868
Have you read Kharkanas or Esslemont's stuff?

Is this book worth continuing? I like the premise, but so far it just seems like SJW nonsense. Does it ever deliver on its premise?

>>17561290
How about "enjoy things you like and stop trying to turn a thread full of autistic shut-ins' opinions on a Peruvian llama milking forum into a form of personal identity you sperg"?

>>17565126
The beginning is atrocious, like a cheap Marvel fanfic

>>17562314
>have literary opinion you want taken seriously
>unironically type "carticaturish"
Not sure if ESL or full retard.

>>17565126
What you're feeling is not uncommon. Just give it a chance. The story starts kicking in when the Achamian chapters start.

Just savor the first chapters and be open minded. Kellhus is not normal.

>>17563174
>implying it's not bakkerautists proxyfagging like hackers on steroids

>>17565126
The prologue is confusing as all hell. It will only make sense on a reread when you understand what Kellhus is. It's actually pretty incredible how much information is condensed in that chapter.

>>17565198
>Implying you're not seething

>tfw too brainlet to understand Neuromancer

>>17565215
It's really a reflection of your own mental state that you think a random strawpoll would affect my mood at all. How many times did you switch IP's to make sure your autism daddy won the poll and embarrass those pesky sandersoys? You think it'll make him come out of hiding and finish the series?

>>17565253
Does it trouble you?

>>17565266
Do you have literally any other reply or just tourrete's?
Are you the surrender autist and you just got mad about being ridiculed as the surrender autist so you started aping doesittroubleyou autist?
Why is this thread so cripplingly autistic?

>>17565289
>>17565253
>>17565198
>imagine being this triggered just because no one likes your favorite author.

>>17565236
What don't you get?

>>17565289
Sanderson got 2 votes. TWO VOTES.
Le Guin, Lewis and Dunsany got twice as many, each.
Seethe, Sandercuck. Seethe for your intellectually insipid, aesthetically bankrupt, spiritually devoid capeshit anime car salesman.
Bakker's crown is unquestionable. Why can't you just accept the fact that 40% of /sffg/ rates him their top fantasy author?

>>17565211
What I'm impressed by now that I think back (read all seven books) is despite how dense those few chapters are, it just made me want to know more. If it had been poorly written I would have just dropped it as annoying and confusing. But I wasn't confused, I had a feeling that my questions would be answered. Of course now I have some unanswered questions about TUC, but I now know enough to make good guesses, and I've been entertained enough that I'm comfortable with the series to end in salt and butchery.

>>17565289
I accept your surrender
>>17565236
Think Kellhus but neurology instead of purposeful human selection

>>17565297
>IM NOT TRIGGERED, YOU'RE TRIGGERED, YOU CAN TELL FROM MY MASS REPLIES, MOCKING RESPONSE, AND METICULOUSLY CHOSEN WOJACK RIPOFF
Literal autism.

>>17559863
Sanderson is probably the no.1 mainstream fantasy author that would appeal to autists, due to his lack of prose and extremely formulaic writing.

>>17565289
Why are you using the spoiler tab? IIRC, the surrender guy was actually pretty funny. I'm guessing your were the one he actually ridiculed.

>>17565342
This desu.

>>17565316
>bringing up Sanderson unprompted
Rent free. Now address the subject of yours and his
>>17565330
permanent cringe fueled autism or find a new boogeyman to cry about. Nobody even bothers to talk about Sanderson anymore, it's just you people that're too triggered to stop posting about him.

>>17561127
>https://www.strawpoll.me/42644266
>sanderson

>>17562314
this

>>17565342
>the surrender guy was actually pretty funny
Name one instance. As far as I know he just picks stupid arguments and accepts "surrenders" when he gets told what stupid fucking arguments he has.
I'm sorry, (You) have.

>tfw when the master isn't even included in /sffg/'s retarded gay poll

>>17565374
Incorrect.

VOTE IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY
YES THAT INCLUDES YOU, LURKERS

https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655

hi im from the surrounding board, what are the best contemporary fantasy books? I have read Tolkien before and Narnia, but I mostly read literature stuff now.

>>17565384
That isn't funny at all.

>>17565356
I've only surrenderposted twice, it's just funny :D
>>17565374
Are you too autistic to realize you're being classically trolled? Oh wait...you are a Sandersoy after all. Or are you audiocuck?

>>17565399
we recommend the second apocalypse by bakker.

it's smart enough to satisfy a non-genre /lit/fag. a fascinating inversion of tolkien's work, highly influenced by mccarthy, the iliad, plato, blake, heidegger, wittgenstein, nietzsche, gnostic scripture, and the kjv. perhaps you'd enjoy.

>>17565308
I have basically no idea what's going on, this is my second attempt at reading it.

>>17565401
The Audiocuck doesn't keep falling for the same bait endlessly.

>>17565380
That guy doesn't deserve to be on the list.

>>17565441
True. He posted his request for books, what, three times?
>>17565450
Eh honestly the first book is actually pretty good as a YA book if you skip any Deena shit and the last 10%. I thought his magic system was interesting. Detailed enough to be cool, loose enough to not be autistic.

>>17565437
I lent my copy to my grandad but I can try to help out from memory, how far have you gotten? It's not a complicated book at all, it's just a heist story with computers.

>>17565464
>Eh honestly the first book is actually pretty good as a YA book if you skip any Deena shit and the last 10%. I thought his magic system was interesting. Detailed enough to be cool, loose enough to not be autistic.

I think you misunderstood me. The guy doesn't deserve to be on the list because he hasn't proven anything yet. He's lazy. How is it possible that he still didn't finish his series?

>>17565401
>classically trolled
Further proving your underage status and failure to understand what actual trolling is. Getting replies is not a successful troll any more than words on a picture are memes.

>>17565486
Imagine being this fucking retarded. Holy shit.

>>17565316
>current 1:5 poster ratio from 1:3 only a year ago
>the shitty top 2020 from 5 months ago had TDTCB at position 16
>takes a couple seconds to multivote on a phone or with Opera
Yeah, I'm sure the poll is legit... pic related is a picture of my parents.

>>17565486
It has been a while since I've seen this amount of cringe in one single post.

>all these butthurt haters upset over a widdle strawpoll
Welcome to the glorious News Empire of Anasûrimbor Kellhus, gentlemen.
Dissenters will be flayed.
Orthodox will be blinded.
Schismatics will be hanged by their kneecaps.

Really liked the overall feel and magic in this book, it's just too bad the protagonist is a literal autist

>>17565634
Well, that explains why you're a Sandersoy.

>>17565634
Cope.

I've seen that same poll being posted on several discord servers by now.

>>17565529
>>17565675
>LE EPIN TROLL PWNAGE XD
See how retarded it is?

What did Sanderson mean by this?

>>17565706
>projecting this hard
Why do bakkerautists have to be so combative about their autism?

>>17565814

>>17565814
>"Sticks need stormlight. For... things..."
Give this man a Man Booker prize, already.

Is Malazan any good for someone who dislikes ASOIAF? I'm concerned it's going to be too much of the same focus on world building and history and long ass books rather than plot and characters.

>>17565885
Malazan is nothing like ASOIAF, but the points you're trying to avoid are definitely there.

Who's the bakker of science fiction?

>>17566001
watts in some ways
herbert in other ways

>>17565814
Truly is the Marvel Cinematic Universe (TM) of fantasy. Is there going to be a le epic crossover at some point between his multiple different series?

>>17566047
>Is there going to be a le epic crossover at some point between his multiple different series?
Anon, that's already happening.

>>17566062
Epic good sir, simply epic. I have asked my wife's boyfriend to assist me in cracking open a nice bottle of Onions(C) to toast the occasion!

>>17566062
jeez louise, he's gotten almost as fat as martin.

>>17566062
Why buy paperwhites when you can spend hundreds of dollars on these beauties?

>>17566083
It's so damn ugly.

>>17565466
I just finished part one, Case is leaving Chiba

>>17566129
I don't know what there is to be confused about in that part.
>be case
>ebin hackerman but suicidal because can't hack anymore
>get high and meet ex gf by chance
>she says someone wants to kill me
>super high so assume person tailing me is trying to kill me, set myself up to kill them but just lose them instead and go home
>chick I thought wanted to kill me is at the shitty hotel room I live in and she hires me for one last ride
>also my ex stole some ram I was supposed to sell
>meet chick's boss and then pretend I have loose ends that need tying up
>go to watch knife fight with chick, see ex gf get killed
>discover that nobody knows who my new boss's boss is and leave chiba with them

>>17566083
Dangerously obsessed.

What are good recommendations when science (possibly military) experiments go wrong outside of Frankenstein, Jurassic Park/Lost World, and The Mist?

>>17566357
The Southern Reach trilogy. The only thing the series is good for is the "science gone wrong" aspect.

>>17566357
This is basically Michael Crichton's whole genre. The Stand by Stephen King is this.

What does /sffg/ think of Ken Liu's "Dandelion Dynasty" series?

>>17566411
>>17566402
Thanks, I will check these out

>>17566493
I read the first book, enjoyed it, and wrote a review about in it the thread.

>>17566493
I read the first book and thought it was fine but nothing special. I haven't got around to reading the second and likely never will.

I'm writing a story involving an intergalactic civilization that has ships that are 10,000 miles long and house billions of people. Is that excessive?

>>17561721
You r*ddit tier mother fucker, it could be argued that hard science is grounded in philosophy, and philosophy is just language games and shitty metaphors to describe the undescribable: Reality.

>>17563327
Shut up Greg Egan. Speaking of... where my sci-fi bros at? What are you reading? I am finishing Ministry for the Future by KSR now. It's fine but holy shit I forgot how hollow his characters can be. I'm an engineer, write specification manuals all day, and I swear I could write more compelling characters.

To that anon posting pictures from Early Riser that piqued my interest: thanks. That was a read dripping in melancholy and oddly dry in its whimsy and humor, and I had a good time with it.
The Gronk is real.

>>17565316
> Sanderson got 2 votes. TWO VOTES.
> TFW I now know I am in the top two literary patricians on /sffg/

>>17566615
Just say it's Warhammer 40K and you will sell 20,000 copies

>>17566650
Reading Ecce and Old Earth by Vance. It's not as good as The Blue World yet, but I'm sure once Glawen gets to Old Earth and the plot develops the action will pick up.
>>17566615
Here's an idea that could be independent or add it to yours: Massive bullets, to the point they can contain barracks, hangars, spaceships, etc. You'd shoot or more likely electromagnetically accelerate this bullet/kamikaze shell. While on its way to the target millions of miles away the residents can sally forth in spaceships to do battle, attack smaller targets, etc.

>just finished the first, 5800 word, chapter
based
19 more like that and we will be in business

>>17566723
No I swear its an original work (although the enemy is called the entropic realm; I can't think of a better way to describe it)

>>17566650
Sci-fi-wise I mostly read short stories.

With usually just one punchy concept.

>>17566615
How do the ships cope with torsion? Or do they never have to turn?

>>17566811
>torsion
Idk, the cop out explanation is that all the technology of the civilization is handled by one hyper-intelligent species. Humans are just low tier grunts at the bottom of the military hierarchy.

Gonna take a short break from fiction because I need a palate cleanser. I'm still hung up on the last story I finished and can't focus on this one.

If your characters suck, your book is not good.

Well we've reached the end of another Django Wexler series, and I will say that he at least had a better hold on how to tie up a climactic plot than he did with the Thousand Names series. When the book opened with a sex scene in the first chapter I was concerned that he really was going to make ever proceeding book he writes increasingly horny, but given that it was just about the only one in the entire story it appears to have simply been the requisite addition to a book written for teenagers. And it is most certainly a Young Adult Fiction, and it is necessary to lower your expectations appropriately. The main characters are all irrational and retarded teenagers, conflicts are often driven by pointless lack of communication, and there is an incredible amount of self-obsessed emotionality regardless of how pressing the plot may be at the time.

All that said, it was pretty fun. I appreciate that he decided to focus the entire book on the rebellion this time. After the dullfest that was the the Harbor plot in the second book, I think it's clear that Wexler ran entirely out of cool ideas for a mystery adventure series immediately after thinking up the Ghost Ship, and so he might as well return to his old standby of "rebellion against a corrupt autarchy." It's a plot he's worked with enough times that he's pretty good at developing it, and knows that it's best to mostly leave the day to day suffering as background that happens to mob characters.

I do feel a little bad for any character not named Isoka or Tori, given that they aren't really characters at all. A missed opportunity, honestly, as the small snatches of hidden background info we glean from throwaway comments by Jack or Zarun do make me wish they were given time to be more than handy tools for Isoka to throw at obstacles. This book was also shockingly bloodless for its main cast, given how willingly the first two books threw lives away for the sake of building tension and horror.

Overall, it's a 7/10 for me. Fine, and a fun bit of throwaway reading, but I think it's fairly clear at this point that Wexler's first book in any given series is its strongest, and I rather wish he would switch to just writing standalones.

>>17567331
I'm going to bet a central point of the plot is cringeworthy teenage lesbian drama. I swear Django Wexler must be the pen name for a middle aged lesbian cat lady.

>>17567345
That pretty much all gets sorted out in the first book, by number 3 they're totally solid girlfriends with no relationship conflicts. And frankly, I'm thankful for it, because his lesbian drama is terrible. I would kill to erase the lesbian love interest from his other ongoing series.

>>17561006
bakker is the farthest thing from required canon, unless you want to let yourself be mired in the mediocrity of the autism and gay rape that is bakker-san

>>17561704
sooooo much underwhelming

>the judging eye and the wight --> lol, nevermind let's trash that idea and forget it ever happened
>sorwheel --> actually interesting character with real internal changes throughout the books. nah, i'm getting bored with this, let's have him get raped and then have his shit fucked up by killhouse, that'll be satisfying
>crabicus
>the fanim
>the decapitants --> lol imma mention these and drop hints about them but you'll have to wait 10 years and buy my next 5 books to know what they're about!
>akka --> literally the same angry dirty old man at the start as at the end. he wasn't entirely wet cardboard in the first 2 books, especially when captured by the scarlet spires, but after that he's just terribly pathetic in every encounter
>kellhus --> the gary stu to end all gary stu's. it'd be one thing if bakker-san had a sensible/logical path to him becoming a god-king, but instead we just see him snowball through the world like he's in some YA novel (except with obligatory gay rape)
>everything after dagliash --> wtf, who thought that a novel adaptation of cannibal holocaust was a good idea?
>cnaiur --> the most worthless of characters. could cut him entirely from the series and lose nothing at all

>>17562018
but we already know what happened to shae-shae: he shifted his soul across the dunyain

>>17566615
It's been done by several authors.

>>17567701
Examples for research?

>>17567709
Marrow (Great Ship #1) by Robert Reed

>>17564481
because bakker wanted to take us all on the slog of slogs!

but in all likelihood, he had 1 idea 30 years ago for it and decided to ignore any more rational progression of the plot because of his autism

>>17565817
because they understand at a deep, guttural level that they are not normal or right and they can only silence the incoherence in their minds by silencing opposition/subsuming it all into their fetish

>>17566062
damn son, rocking 3 separate shirts there!

echoes of my fedoralord college roommate

anyone else listen to soundtracks to get inspiration for your books?

>>17562018
Bakker is done. Series ends with consult triumphant and the world ending with 144000 souls.
We must accept our defeat.

>>17566083
epic!!!

>>17566615
That big a ship sounds pretty retarded, unless its a point in the story. Billions of people is pretty fine.

Just don't do pic related.

>>17567801
I accept your surrender

>>17567709
Book of the Long Sun

>2 votes
Ay lmao

Sandersoys irrevocably, utterly and categorically humiliated.

>>17567565
>>17567664
>muh plot logic
>muh gay rape (that didn’t happen to sorweel wtf are you talking about)
>muh character development
>muh kellhus is a gary stu
>muh anything after dagliash is too much for me to handle
absolutely filtered. you sound like a typical goodreads two-star karen.

>>17567676
Disputed. I personally don’t know if that’s possible, the Dûn are like ten times smarter than him x 5 = 50 times smarter than an old mentally ill lich-wizard.

>>17568294
>>muh gay rape (that didn’t happen to sorweel wtf are you talking about)
Did you repress your memories? He got assfucked by that black guy like one chapter before he dies.

>>17568423
It was consensual, they were best friends doing their manly grecian no homo bro thing on the eve of death, and he clearly enjoyed it. The fact that you missed that obvious point calls your other readings into doubt and makes me think you’re either low-IQ, a sloppy reader, a contrarian hater, or all three.

>>17563286
Gibson

Guess who lurks here:
https://youtu.be/exDVJXYEFSM

>2/5
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Got filtered, Brittany?

>>17559806
Harrison Ford was banging this for a few weeks until she became so clingy he had to tell her to fuck off.

>>17568423
That wasn't rape you idiot, wtf are you talking about? It was consensual and Sorweel and Zsoronga were best friends. It was more of a brimance that sex, even. In Zeum there is common for men to have sex, Zsoronga says that himself.
And desu Zeum is one of the more civilized societies on Earwa.

>>17568790
>dude who played luke has been harping about star wars for decades, going to cons and dressing as a jedi
>harrison "henry" ford gets asked about force ghosts in an interview after the last start wars movie comes out
>responds with "I don't know what a force ghost is and I don't care."

God what a man.

>>17568790
>>17568800
harrison ford sounds like he had one of the funnest and most enjoyable lives possible but was completely miserable throughout for some reason

>>17566789
Entropy or chaos.

Same shit, especially in fiction.

>>17565814
I real life cringed while reading that. I'm not even memeing, I'm very serious when I say this. This is simply fanfic level shitty dialogue here. Hell I've seen more eloquence in fanfics if I'm being honest.

>>17565634
Do you really think someone has nothing better to do that do le epic hacks and vote multiple times?
I personally voted at work and I knew Bakker would come on top because he's good ENOUGH. Well he's my favorite author right now although I can understand why some would get filtered. And his' are not even my favorite works. My top 1 and 2 are BotNS and Dune.

>>17565720
I'm going to read it right now because I need a break from wuxia/ chink shit for a few days.

>>17565814
What's brown and sticky?
>a shit

>>17568824
There is a hint of bitterness to his demenor.

>>17568900
>Do you really think someone has nothing better to do that do le epic hacks and vote multiple times?
the better question is do you REALLY think someone doesn't?

>>17566739
>Here's an idea that could be independent or add it to yours: Massive bullets, to the point they can contain barracks, hangars, spaceships, etc.
Read Flux by Stephen Baxter if you haven't already, it's about this very concept.

>>17568925
I think you’re just projecting.

>>17568856
Fucking nigger, dude just writing straight to the point, no bullshit here, I didn't think that was that bad, sure, not Bakker tier bullshit, but still functional and objective, I liked, fucking pseudo intellecutals, go read some James Joycen then.

baker or book of the new sun?

also is the three body problem decent or chink shit?

>>17569006
a decent chink shit.

>>17568999
Nobody said it WASN'T straight to the point. But you can't argue that it's good in any way

>>17568925
Uhh, yeah desu. Thus isn't nearly important enough for people to rig votes. Sure, now that you've brought attention to it someone might. But regular sffg autists wouldn't

>>17569033
Yeah, not the greatest writing ever, put it does it need to be done for the books.

>>17568999
OH, I read somewhere, by a smarter man than either of you, me or Sanderson, that when writing dialogue you ought to make your characters speak as though with royalty. And granted, the best books I've ever read, either fiction or non-fiction, all had intelligent and civilized dialogue. The whole "ya fookin twat cunt" or "common man speech" in modern fiction is a cancer, which is why nobody takes SFF seriously anymore.

getting a bit bored of this sandersoy vs bakkercel posting guys

>>17569048
Same can be said about business cards and business cards aren't high in literary value.

>>17569064
No one cares.

>>17569048
>Yeah, not the greatest writing ever, put it does it need to be done for the books.
Learn to write before posting.

>>17569064
Second, Bakkerfags are starting to get annoying, yeah yeah Bakker is somewhat good with all hes darkness, philosophical bullshit, whatever, I not here to read a fucking philosophical bullshit in a fiction format, if I want to read philosophy I just buy a fucking real academy book, I read to read good ol' shlock, if I want high-brow shit, I read Dante or other classic dude, the truth is... Bakkerfags are just midwits.

>>17569102
I'm a based ESL poster.

>>17568900
>Do you really think someone has nothing better to do that do le epic hacks and vote multiple times?
Someone LITERALLY has nothing better to do than repost the same low effort images shitting on an author they hate for no reason at all in literally every thread. How new are you to take an online poll seriously?

>>17569125
>bakkerfags are just midwits

Based ESL poster speak the truth.

>>17569138
>This amount of mental-gymnastics just because some author you like didn’t do well in the poll.
How old are you? It’s getting pretty pathetic at this point.

Just cope and move on. Accept reality.

>>17569064
every single general on this website has resident autists/bots whose only purpose is to shit up the general with ever repeating "points" all day long, making it unreadable and driving out actual posters

>>17569154
Name anything I said that's objectively wrong.
I accept your surrender.

>>17569130
That doesn’t justify your inability to use proper grammar.

I’ve never read Bakker, but I’m starting to believe that this “filtered” meme is actually real.

>seething this hard because of a poll

>>17568900
They simply can’t cope. It’s amusing to see.

I'm no big fan of series, however I kinda like the 40K universe, particularly all non-human, perverse factions.

If you know your way around the books taking place in the universe, do ya know of any that deal with mass human ("goodguy") slaughter by non-human ("badguys").
regarding the parens: I'm half-certain the author(s) made it somewhat gray in place, but nigh no scifi w/ so many pieces can evade going for the easy black and white shit and tropes.

>>17569173
>Name anything I said that's objectively wrong
Well, everything.

Why is this so reddit? I tried getting into it, but every character, every line of dialogue, every internal monologue is a bad clichee
Literally like some prime söyface tried having a go at writing bad fanfiction in the style of ASOIAF, how could this ever become successful? And how could I get memed into reading this?

>>17569230
I thought the original trilogy wasn't so bad but the two following books felt a bit cringe and like he was trying too hard to keep it going. didn't help that the northeners are all so fucking boring and the 5th book is mostly about them

>>17569179
Nah, my writing English is trash, by may read skill is 99% in a English test that I did, I read Bakker and fully understand what he wrote, and I still think that is pretentious as fuck, literally a midwit book for people that wants to thinks that they are superior.

>>17569185
People who dislike Bakker will mostly ignore him after finishing his first book. The rest will simply be angry due to the fact that they got filtered by his prose. Most of them don’t even make it past the first 100 pages. It’s simply too much for them. By then, their only option is to dismiss the author as bad. We’re talking about people who are simply too dumb to see past their own ignorance.

It’s rather ironic that this same subject comes up in his novels multiple times.

>>17569244
Perdona pero no le comprendo.

What are some bloomer fantasies? Not dark, brooding shit. I just want a good ol' positive fantasy to have some fun, tired of grimdark wave that has taken over.

>>17569275
I don't speak spanish, bro, thats a subhuman language, and a very ugly one.

*cracks whip*
SLAAAAAVE!
NEW THREAD NOW!

>>17569216
Incorrect. See last post.

>>17569269
Based

>>17569138
Has your feeble mind ever considered that he might not even hate any author at all?
I reckon that the person who spams the same memes on every thread is only after your elaborate responses. Which your never fail to deliver, it seems.

I sincerely hope that you’ve been talking to a bot all this time. You’re a donkey being guided by a carrot on a stick.

Is red rising any good? All I know about it is that it has a cool looking board game

>>17569692
The cover blurb tells you all you need to know

>>17568824
He's definitely a cunt, there's no apparent reason why he should be or act that miserable. The guy is one of the most famous actor, has enough wealth for a dozen lifetimes and could slay any pussy he wanted (and could still probably do).

>>17569759
So the protagonists just get worse and worse?
>>17568929
Thanks, I'll take a look
>>17568908
>>17568824
I think I understand Ford's bitterness. Wouldn't you be if you acted in quite a few great roles over the years and probably 80% of the time when you're accosted in the street it's greasy neckbeards shouting "HAN SOLO HAN SOLO". Would make me want to not go out in public.

>>17568900
>Do you really think someone has nothing better to do that do le epic hacks and vote multiple times?
Yes, do you know where you are? I like Bakker and dislike Sanderson, for the record.

>>17569759
Ender is good tho.

>>17568779
These are the best.

>>17570069
I didn't say it was a bad thing. If that's what you took from it you probably shouldn't read it.

>>17570069
hunger games was also good

>>17568779
What are other books that would shock female bog like her into submission?

Just finished Dawn of the Guns by Adrian Tchaikovsky. Saw the ending coming a mile away after the war ended, and it was overly convenient. Denland was basically reluctant Nazi Germany.

>>17568779
lmao
troubled, triggered, and filtered. simple as

>>17569244
You scored a 99% on duolingo? I’m impressed.

>>17562909
So either there is one autist voting for Bakker with vpns over and over again or he actually is /sffg favorite author. I'm not sure what's the saddest of these two options.

>>17569269
this, sucks that so many get filtered by book one. he should have toned down the GRI a little in book one to ease his readers in more instead of alienating 75% of them from the jump.

>>17570368
It’s his “complicated prose” that’s filtering most people.

>>17570364
The saddest part is that Sanderson is at last place.

>>17570409
No that's his place.

>>17569269
I actually almost finished book 2 but by then I was really tired of the "hehe I can read your mind" trick

>>17570364
pretty sure it’s the latter

>>17570523
>>17570523
>>17570523
>>17570523
>>17570523
New

God fucking damnit is there any site like royalroad but not filled with soul destroying trash?

>>17569230
you got filtered subhuman.