/lit/ - Literature

>>17558682
>without hedonism
>kings fight over sex slaves for half the book

war became pussified with the industrial revolution and would no longer have the positive effects you hope for

so true bro you should start larping as a mycenaean greek (preferably in public)

>>17558682
>makes us take cares out of bodies, making us more beautiful and strong

This does not mean what you intended it to mean but is the only halfway interesting thing in the post.

>>17558707
I think the men who endured thousands of shells every hour for months at a time were the opposite of pussified. No soldier of the past could have endured that.

>>17558682
>VGH... WHY AREN'T MALES HOT, SWEATY AND BURLY ANYMORE... ALL I WANT IS TO BE SURROUNDED BY STRONG MALES...
Getting a bit too homoerotic there my friend

>>17558682
> I think humanity should allow itself to be at war at least every once in a while
Even the trojan war was disliked. The greeks didn't enjoy war. Hell, read Herodotus and Thucydide and you'll see that even the Spartans disliked war.

OP says all this, yet the very heart of the poem is a moment of supreme weakness: when Priam comes, dirty and begging, to plead with Achilles for the body of Hector back, and Achilles, in a moment of softness and mercy, relents of his anger, and gives back the body.

>>17558722
You are the prime example of a weak male. You can't possibly understand that one can look at the bodies of fellow men and admire their beauty and strength without homosexual thoughts.

>>17558729
Seethe. Achilles panted for Patroclus thighs.

>>17558729
You made a very good point right there. I invite you to read Plato and take this hellenic attitude a step further.

>>17558692
>t. didn't get the Iliad

>>17558726
Yeah, the book ends in a bittersweet way with everyone unhappy in some way. Also have the book is people getting mutilated and dismembered in gruesome ways. I do not think you would actually want that. OP probably envisions himself as Achilles and not as chariot driver #23 who gets impaled on a spear.

>>17558756
I wanna be that guy that got stabbed in the bladder. I fantasize about reincarnation so I can die as many horrible deaths as possible.

>>17558682
Overrated desu

>>17558707
This guy thinks the last 20 years of modernity was all of modernity

>>17558682

>>17558780
may your armour clatter around you and darkness fall over your eyes

>>17558682
im begging you PLEASE have sex

>>17558796
Those guys are smarter than brown people lol.

>>17558682
is this the virgin "trad wife" take on The Illiad?

>>17558800
Pretty hard now thanks to Tinder, hypergamy, and sexual revolution. Another reason men were healthier and stronger back then is that nearly every male had a healthy sexual life, whereas now it's only accessible to 5% of men.

>>17558814
>Another reason men were healthier and stronger back then is that nearly every male had a healthy sexual life
True

>>17558818
Homosexuality wasn't common and was seen as degenerate by most greeks. These paintings are cherrypicked and used for propaganda.

>>17558822
How do I know you've never read the Greeks?

>>17558814
bruh go outside get off 4chan get some friends this isnt healthy

>>17558822
>haven't read the greeks
You shouldn't talk about things of wich you know nothing.

>>17558682
>without hedonism
You're such a fucking faggot holy shit.

>>17558682
>no weak males
>Paris
Did you even read it?

>>17558827
>>17558880
>muh Symposium
He never argues in favor of homosexuality, that's just misinformation and a bad reading.
>>17558887
He was physically strong, which is all that matters.

>>17558900
There’s a lot more than the Symposium dummy

>>17558900
It's time to come out of the closet sweety. It's okay.

>>17558900
Paris was a cuck through and through. He could barely even fight Hector, and you lead me to believe he was strong? Maybe for today's standards, but he obviously was the Greek rendition of a s*yboy.

>give gymbuddy a brojob
>cry about my mortality
>pray to the technokrats to give me lifeprolonging vaccines and medication if I stay subservient to them
Fuck yeah Achilles is my hero.

I think the key difference is the change in agricultural technology. With industrialized agriculture the ability to centralize control increases and the "elite" positions demand more understanding of accounting methods and law. Learning these things requires a desk-bound adolescence.

>>17558682
>No weak males, no numales, no onions
Am I supposed to believe there's some huge muscular Chad behind the screen making these threads?

>>17558953
I'm somewhat muscular. I'm not op though.

>>17558953
it's not that hard to build muscles incel

>>17558822
Utter cope. Homosexuality was ubiquitous and praised.

>>17559077

>>17558927
>barely even fight hector
Except for achilles, hector was the best warrior in the war. Not managing to faight against him doesnt make you a s o y b o y, even though paris was one

>>17558726
Do you remember what Achilles did to Hector's body? Achilles realized he lost control of himself and tried to atone for it the only way he could, having a final realization that Hector was just like him ultimately. You're also implying that men cannot experience emotion, which OP did not imply, nor does the Iliad - even beyond the final book with Achilles and Priam.

>>17558726
>>17559674
Additionally, you forget that it started with Zeus telling Achilles to accept the ransom from Priam. it was quite literally the will of the high god.

>>17558682
>graphic novel adaptation

>fighting each other for honour and behaving like men
meanwhile in the Iliad
>MOMMY, MOMMY, MUH EVIL AGAYMEMNON TOOK MUH SEX SLAVE AND WAS A VERY MEAN TO MEEEEE! TELL GOD OR I'LL BE GRUMPY, I'M GONNA DIE FOR THIS TOO? GO FUCK YOURSELF
a little while later
>He is tricking you fellow soldiers! He doesn't want to restore his brother's honour, he just wants the riches of Troy for himself, the greedy cunt
a little while later
>You want me, ME, the great Neoptolemus, to go out there for you? Atrides? You might get an idiot like Ajax but I'm not moving an inch

>>17558682
>No weak males, no numales
So you didn't read it.

>>17560056
I've read it and there isn't even one example. Even Paris, the most effeminate of them all, fights in the thick of battle.

>>17558707
This guy thinks only the last 20 years were modernity

>>17558721
... why? They were the exact same human. That's like saying a modern human couldn't endure a calvary charge. Some certainly could, those with dispositions similar to ancient men who would survive artillery.

>>17558682
post chin

>>17558682
>This is so satisfying to read. No weak males, no numales, no onions, only strong, burly men fighting each other for honor and behaving like men, their bodies dripping with sweat and filled with energy. A society where men are strong, with a purpose in life, without hedonism, and where women know their place as the inferior sex, but are still intelligent and not merely pets. Why did men stop being like this bros?
so you like repressed gays who cling to spooks and fight for them. Fucking kek, the west is dead.

>>17558682
>war invigorates the soul
War is essentially dysgenics: brave and noble men volunteer and die and the weak stay home and survive

>>17558814
So you go around calling others 'weak males' yet you are unable to have sex 'because of Tinder and feminism'?

>>17558682
>clearly war not only makes us take cares out of bodies, making us more beautiful and strong
That was when war was strong men with bronze swords walking on arid flats to conquer juicy oasises
Not when war is cowards flying drones for some jew's non-existing money

We need to go back to the past

>>17560528
>a calvary charge
RUN! THEY HAVE BATTLE CALVARIES THAT SHOOT JESUS-CROSSES LIKE A BALLISTA!

>>17558722
This is a made-up stereotype. Gays don't like strong burly sweaty hairy males, they like weak pussified shaved slim femboys

To the faggot who has been spamming /pol/cel threads this week.

You will never be a real man. You have no jaw, you have no chin, you have no biceps. You are an incel twisted by far-right agitators and "thinkers" into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your flabby appearance behind closed doors.

Women are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed women to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even incels who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a woman. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk girl home with you, she’ll turn tail and bolt the second she catches a glimpse of your grotesque, saggy manboobs or microscopic baby penis.

You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a gun, write a "manifesto", post it online, and attempt at some random act of violence. Your parents will hear, heartbroken but relieved that you didn't get far in your fit of rage. You'll be buried into an unmarked grave, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will be non the wiser that you ever existed or accomplished anything. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is an unmistakably incel skeleton.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

Just a reminder that Diomedes is the best.

>>17560807

>>17560063
He instantly pussies out when challenged to single combat

>>17558682
op you sound like a faggot who would die first in a war

>>17558682
Trump lost
Get over it

>>17560063
Dolon, the sneaky, treacherous little bitch

Imagine reading the capeshit of its times

>>17558682
>a graphic novel adaptation
Yikes

>>17558682
>Why did men stop being like this
If you pay attention Homer explicitly says men of his time couldn't compare to the men of the Iliad. So the answer is that they were probably never like this since the Iliad is a mythical retelling of real event, and embellishes things.
Remember that the actual war of Troy was in all likelihood an expedition to gain control of trade roads.

>>17562334
>muh soulless materialistic view of history
Kys bugman

>>17558721
Junger did

>>17558722
Sounds like you hearing what you want to hear you faggot

This is a bait thread. Bugmen classic

>>17561090
>>17560953
>>17558692
It's another bait thread. As per usual this week. See above

>>17562334
That's not what that means. It means in the four hundred years or so since Troy men had got weaker. So 3000 years later we're even weaker. Men like that can exist, but not now.

>>17562334
Bugman retard

>>17560609
Most victories are absolute victories, not phyrric. The victors army would remain at a good strength. Not to mention the pillaging, raping and murder. You are wrong