/lit/ - Literature

>Snowpocalypse edition
Oh the weather outside is frightful
But Leweth's cave is so delightful...

>Sandy's ego grew to the size of the cosmere
reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/lg6prf/a_lengthy_review_discussion_of_rhythm_of_war_or/

Haven't picked up a book in 3 days.

>>17540482
Still sad.

>>17540560
>When love dies, one must learn to love another, Anon.

Have a snow related poem

The King of Flames awakens to the Northern Queen

heavy hoarfrost has covered all
the northern wind whistles and blows
as pale Boreas blessed snows fall
with hail, as slushy water flows
past my window I see there grows
a blue rose alive among ice
and a voice calls out to me twice

“I crown me with the crooked limbs
of the frost befallen giants
and greater are my silent hymns
than the treasures of the tyrants
pluck the Rose abhorrent of spring
it is my silver marriage ring”


I listened to the voice that singed
softer than the sweetest maiden
was it my own rev’ry that ringed
or some spirit I’ve mistaken?
unless I grab the Rose it seemed
it would remain something I dreamed

I deemed this too much and hurried
towards the blue rose I journeyed
i neared and felt something quite queer
my chest’s warmth grew as I came near
towards that blue gem set in white
I grasped it and saw a bright light

in my hand I now held a ring
and I without fearing frostbite
wore it to see what it would bring
suddenly it turned into night
yet I tasted not bitter sting
and my eyes opened and gained sight


all around me fell blue petals
and each petal burnt hot as flame
but not the flame which melts metals
nor the flame of the devil’s shame
the flame’s name and love are the same
though It was an inner fire
it felt ice cold of desire

now wrapped in a blanket of blue
another flash, all is now snow
I heard her again “now go through
walk this path and I you will know”
but I could no longer now go
my body was fully broken
but the flame remained unbroken

my form was naught but snow and ice
but I held on to my inner heat
I tried getting up even thrice
towards she who’s voice was so sweet
I went out to marry and meet
suddenly my form had shattered
and all of me was now scattered

but my soul and my flame were one
though now as a servant of flame
I swore that this path shall be done
and her who’s voice cries I will claim
i darted as a flame that spun
and spiraled across the cold road
her wind whistle was my sole goad 

I was now in a northern land
I felt such a euphoria
as I beheld a sight so grand
she was Purple winged boreia
Ice was her crown and her scepter
she shined clear white like a specter
or a phantasmagoria

though I a flame and she winter
we embraced and my form returned
reformed from ashes and cinder
and I grasped the bride I had earned
for whom my soul had burned and yearned

her flame and my frost then married
they became one in self and kind
all differences were emptied
and we became one gentle mind

>>17540440
Any Lusophone anons know of good fantasy books that are in Portuguese?

I picked up a copy of the Knight

TWELVE-TALENT

I asked it once and I will ask it again, are there any fantasy books about a mundane group of soldiers trying to take out incredibly powerfull mages/entities. Basically the Boys but fantasy.

>>17540515
>listening to lengthy epic fantasy without reading it
>upset you can barely keep all the nouns straight
No less than plebes deserve.

>>17541101
Malazan? The core group is basically a bunch of standard soldiers, who have a few powerful friends but they are usually preoccupied.

>>17541060
>Well met...

>>17541205
I only read the first book but didn't really get the impression that the bridgeburners were a group of mage-killers, more renegades trying to survive and salvage Thier situation. Even if the future books have some of that I'm more or less thinking of a story that revolves completely around that. Something heavily character driven. Honestly at this point I'm asking someone to write it for me because I don't expect something so specific to exist

>>17541262
>simping this hard because a hole is holding your favorite book
Bakkerfags are sad.

>>17541338
The Black Company then - it follows the black company who are a mercanery band of soldiers, they are recruited by a strong wizard in a war against the wizards enemies, however their loyalty to their master also begins to falter

faggots I almost finished Titus Groan and starting reading Moorcock's thing outside Elric and Von Bek 2 main books

what ya doin mothafuckerz

>>17541262
ngl nice cover art

>>17541451
Yeah, the PoN trilogy has some nice covers. Shame the Aspect-Emperor's are so damn ugly.

>>17541417
it's marketing, guerilla marketing

>>17541476
i wonder how much they paid the whore to pose with that book >>17541262 i doubt she read it

Just finished reading Naked Empire.
It wasn't very good.

>>17541494
how so?

>>17541523
Aside from being really preachy, there's a part near the end where Richard saves himself from a dose of poison by using his magical gift to guess which herbs to use for an antidote. Felt really cheap. Technically, he could have done this within the first 200 pages. But wait, his gift is fueled by "need and anger". In other words, he has plot armor.

>>17541494
>Terry Goodkind
What did you expect?

>>17541494
am shocked, shocked to discover that a book that is essentially an author's screed of his personal politics did not make for good art.

who could have possibly known??

>>17541426
Just finished soldiers live lol. This is what have me the itch for it. Sure it was done, but not done well. Only the first three books really got the power dynamic between the soldiers and the wizards right, and they didn't do too much with it.

>>17541540
>>17541542
This is true. But goddammit, I made it this far into the series. I'm probably gonna read the next 3 books and then call it done. I'm not acknowledging anything past Confessor.

Ice by Anna Kavann counts as /sffg/ right? I recommend that if you want a good Snowpocalypse novel

Why is the hero's journey trope less common in science fiction

>>17541542
will a book with your own creed be more art?

I like making feature combinations that don't exist irl

>blacks with blonde hair (shut up I know about soloman islanders)
>asians with blue eyes
>whites with curly hair

>>17541844
>whites with curly hair
to clarify, I mean kinky, coiled hair like black people

Threadly reminder to read Bakker. Start with The Darkness That Comes Before. The Second Apocalypse series is part of the /sffg/ canon. Not understanding Bakker memes renders you blind to most of the relevant discussion that goes on here.

>>17541844
I've got you beat, all my phenotypes are unique to my setting (though believable) and don't reflect "real world" races.
>Dusky skinned people with leonine features, golden eyes and curly brown hair.– Seafarers of the South.
>Bronze skinned people with slanted eyes and reddish-brown hair.– Barbarians in the North.
>Reddish-brown skinned people with green eyes, black hair and aquiline features– Kingdoms of the Middle-lands.
>Black skinned people with narrow features and violet eyes– Inhabitants of the Opiate isles to the east.
>Albinos with red eyes and golden hair– Cannibal barbarians of the far Western isles.

>>17541895
nice

fantasy needs more of this instead of weird ass elve people and shit with a bunch of lord of the rings wannabes

>>17541895
>violet eyes

Sorry, I don't browse the YA section.

>Bakker discovers synonym to "in truth".
>Uses it 5 times in book 3.
>Gone in all the sequels.
>Bakker discovers "bubbles".
>Uses it to refer to farts (make bubbles in the mud of his stomach, lmao), to rising blood and somewhere else
>All in the same chapter
>Nowhere to be seen anywhere else
It's hard to respect a writer when you see the way he works with word choices.

>>17542186
harry stretched his legs

>>17542186
I’m a proud and vocal Bakkerfag but desu I don’t necessarily “respect” his writing as “literature” given its many, many flaws. Rather, I simply enjoy the madness, grandiosity, strangeness and obsessive, lurid, original, imaginative quality of it all. He can certainly write a stunning passage, but that doesn’f mean everything he writes is perfect, or that he’s some kind of Mishima, Bulgakov or Blake in terms of literary quality. Fantasy is kind of a hack genre at its core, just enjoy it for what it is desu.

>>17542186
>cataracts
>death came swirling down
>ardour
>rutted

I FUCK SRANC

>>17542262
>dread
>famed
>boggling
>cyclopean
>plummet
>circumstance
>portion
>track
>ground

>>17542266
>Nasty creatures, really. But so.... memorable.

My recommendation for this thread would be The Sword of Winter, by Marta Randall. I went in with expectations of sword and sorcery, but it was in fact a mystery novel in a fantasy setting. Good writing and characterisation, also enjoyed the setting.
>>17541653
Yes, from what I've heard, and a good suggestion. Haven't read it but I have it on my shelf, her Asylum Piece and A Scarcity of Love were great (not /sffg/.) Looking forward to reading it.

>>17541888
Is this worth it?

>>17542330
yes absolutely
if you are strong enough to handle it

imagine eating storks

>>17542654
Enjoy being flayed

>>17542679
>muh pillows
>muh chorae hoard
pick one and only one. you will be Judged.

>>17541101
You could always try Conan. Admittedly Conan's approach to mages is basically 'apply sword directly to skull'

>>17540515
>Even normies think that Sando is bad

>>17541676
Fantasy is more often rooted in the type of myths that the heroes journey describes.

>>17542186
>“I’m a stick”
Yes, because repeating this 10 times in the same page is better.

>>17541888
I like how everyone is some sort of wojak except the aspect emperor, the consult and the fanim chads

>>17542800
Wait the wracu too. Basically the most based groups of characters in the books.

are these threads just three bakkerfags talking to each other now

>>17542828
>26 individual posters
>3 people

What a stupid fucking retard.

>>17542828
>>17542858
The absolute state of Bakker haters.

>>17542738
I love how every time someone makes a threat about sanderhack or rothfuss the mods scramble to remind everyone to be civil

Are any of the Star Trek novels up to scratch?

UNRIVALLED

Any fantasy WW1 novels? I don't care if it's steampunk or dieselpunk or whatever.

>>17543477
I don't know of any specifically WW1 books, but there's plenty of Gunpowder fantasy out there. You could try the Powder Mage series which is inspired by the French and American revolutions.

>>17543477
youjo senki

>>17543477
If Napoleonic /gunpowder fantasy is OK too try the Temeraire series by Naomi Novik. The first couple of books are really good, sadly the quality of the series declines from then on.

>>17542773
>another plebe who doesn't understand the difference between repetition as a rhetorical device and repetition as a crutch of the uncreative
Very sad, many such cases.

does anyone have any recommendations for anything similar to Pandora's Star/Judas Unchained? I read a couple of other works by the author, Peter F. Hamilton, and once I recognized the flaws, I just can't read any more of his shit. He had this really clever, good world-building sci fi with some decent philosophical/moral underpinnings, but writes women and intimacy like a teenager writing fanfiction. It's terrible.

are sci fi writers just doomed to be shit at emotional writing? the characters are almost always bland and/or one dimensional

Kelmomas?

>>17543864
just looking at that fan art I can tell I will never read those books

>>17543956
based special needs child

>>17541481
>i wonder how much they paid the whore
less than twelve talents, I tell you what

Happy Valentines Day, you filthy ordealmen. Hope you’ve got a pretty little Sranc to cuddle up with... or maybe a Scalded if that’s what you’re into.

Pity to be alone, though.

Haven't been here in ages, where do we get stuff nowadays since b-ok.org is down?

>>17544448
1. It isn't down
2. Many ways
3. The spoon exists but you have to feed yourself

>>17544448
It’s b-ok.cc now, also libgen exists.

>>17540440
Ice -- Ana Kavan

>>17541888
i was probably as disposed toward liking these books as i could be (other author recommendations, other readers who i often trust, nothing else to distract me, etc.) and i was EXTREMELY underwhelmed.

there are decent characters outside of killhouse, some good world-building, but WAAAY too much of the books is nonsense masquerading as substance.

bakker has largely tricked his most diehard readers into thinking there really is something meaningful in his books, but all it is is LotR but everyone dies at the end and so much gay rape, to the point where you have to wonder if Bakker had some horrible childhood experience he is trying to expiate in his writing.

it's funny to spam memes about it because it's not as well-known and it is pretty ridiculous when viewed from a distance, but it is rather stupid after a time.

additionally, this chart makes no sense for the bottom right quadrant. cleric is the furthest thing from saved, same for akka. what fucking idiot made this?

Thanks homies, have a nice Sunday.

>>17542330
no

>>17543477
harry turtledove's darkness series

>>17544216
>tfw just realised twelve talent whore doesn't mean a whore with 12 skills
Am I ever gonna make it?

>>17544513
lmao

>>17544513
I've got some bad news for you.

>>17543477
If you're down for decent YA, try Scott Westerfeld's Leviathan-Behemoth-Goliath triology. Worth it for the Keith Thompson illustrations alone.

>>17544513
......

>>17543477
>>17544634
fucking this
>>17543649
also this. i'm on Black Powder War right now, and honestly even if the novels aren't superb so far, the whole world building around dragons and their biology is pretty neat. some fa/tg/uys would certainly enjoy it

>>17542281
>>17542262
>as though
>as though
>as though
>as though

>>17544513
sandersoy?

>>17544513

>>17544513
read thucyidides or plutarch or hte bible

>>17544513

>>17543674
>plebe
Another low IQ sandersoy.
Very sad, many such cases.

>>17541965
>>17541895
Changing a character's physical features doesn't make up for shitty writing you hacks

>>17541895
>Seafarers of the South.

>Bronze skinned people with slanted eyes and reddish-brown hair.– Barbarians in the North.

>Reddish-brown skinned people with green eyes, black hair and aquiline features– Kingdoms of the Middle-lands.

> Kingdoms of the Middle-lands.
>Barbarians in the North.

>>17545041
but my writing is good anon. my worldbuilding and my writing are unique and deeply thought out.
well maybe not “good” by /sffg/‘s warped standards, but at least it’s much better than sanderson

>>17545059
yes, and...?
these are common worldbuilding features bro, no different from elves and orcs.

>>17545086
painfully generic as are elves and orcs

>>17545109
it’s much less generic and more nuanced in the actual text desu. but i will keep that in mind moving forward.

i’m actually one who enjoys certain generic (as in, specific to genre) features, when done right with a fresh spin. i generally prefer creative spins on not-elves, not-orcs, not-middle kingdoms, not-barbaric northmen to worldbuilding that tries desperately hard to be completely novel and original. tropes are what make a genre, tropes done interestingly are what make a genre work unique.

gonna go a little off topic here, but for you fantasy bros - what are your favorite PC cRPGs? I am about to start the game Tyranny. I was considering retrying Pillars of Eternity but I forgot how much of a slog of slogs it is

>>17545197
homm3 or fnv? played a bit of tyranny but I suck at and hate those kind of top down games, i fucked hated div 2 original sin had to google to get off the starter island cringe fuck that

>>17544417
a pity indeed. western globalization has lead to a sort of 'individualization' so unlike anything we've seen before, that in 50 years I wouldn't be surprised if a) the family unit is dead b) sex was viewed unfavorably, and instead everyone masturbated in VR and c) the working class becomes split into i) those that work from home and stare at other talking heads all day and ii) those that work in the factories.

what books should I read if I somewhat unironically think this? doesn't have to be just /sffg/ either - sure give me some cultural theory books, that's fine too.

>>17545197
Diablo II single-player is the Chad answer.
Elemental Sorceress or Summoner Necromancer builds are elite.

>>17545237
the bible.

Christ's samurai.

nichomachean ethics

>>17545197
Tyranny is OK but the writing is all over the place. The highs are high and the lows are abject cringe.
If you ever find yourself tired of the game, just remember, you're doing all this for her.

>>17545197
KotOR if you count it. Otherwise, probably Planescape: Torment.

>>17545249
>the bible
OT seriously works well if you imagine it like a fantasy novel with all the kings, wars, magic, and atrocities. Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, Isiaih, Nebuchadnazzer, all kino and ultraviolent. It may be the word of God, but it tells of the exploits of men.

>>17545197
>quadrant. cleric is the furthest thing from save
Pillars of Eternity 1
Disco Elysium

>>17544484
>>17545288
the alignment chart >>17541888
shows intent, not fate in the afterlife, obv everyone is damned af

>>17545197
Geneforge series. Unique setting, great diversity in playstyles you can choose, great writing, and multitude of factions. No good vs. evil bullshit, every decision and faction has its benefits and downsides.

>>17545317
Doesn't display intent since the consult are the most opposed to damnation and the spoiler is untrue, though it applies to most of the people on the chart.

>>17545317
what are the halos representing? why achamian double halo

>>17545472
Moral intent

>>17545492
sorcerous power

>>17545472
“evil” vs “good,” destroy vs save the world

>>17545493
Why is the prince-imperial on the side of salvation and the fanim rebel on the side of damnation, then?

>>17545518
Picky picky, it’s a meme, you are more than welcome to edit it if you like

>>17545529
I'll just bitch about it instead.

>>17545541
Based

>>17545541
Some of those things in the sheet dont even have souls

Anyway it’s just a quickly made rip off of pic related.

Bakker chart is maybe due for a 2.0. But someone else can volunteer their photoshop hours DESU.

So I have started reading Senlin Ascends.
And I have to ask, why is this turd rated so high on your ratings you dense motherfuckers?

>>17545583
it's good

>>17545647
No it really, really isn't.

>>17544484
lotr is pretty good though

>>17545197
I like Pillars of Eternity for my first full playthrough as a druid, will replay at a later date with the expansion. Tyranny sounds interesting but I haven't played it yet. As for my favourite, it has to be Dragon Age: Origins. I've also enjoyed replaying Icewind Dale and Icewind Dale 2 which were my shit when I was a kid.

I heard a theory that the Ark was only one of thousands or millions that the Progenitors sent out across the universe. Like a scout vessel or forward landing craft to cleanse and prepare a planet for the later arrival of a Progenitor mothership. What a horrifying thought... to imagine the already limitless suffering of Eärwa multiplied a millionfold.

>>17542738
>normies
Look into a mirror.

>>17545807
I doubt they have huge numbers. They have to curb population for their plot to work, after all.

My theory is that the Ark had some sort of hive mind so that there would only be one soul for the whole lot of them. Before it crashed and the Inchoroi, the warrior-caste, had to sort themselves out.

What's Wyman Manderly really up too when he's taking those hour long shits? He's obviously not the Hood Man but I feel like he's doing something else besides the whole fiasco with the pie.

>>17545958
never met an old guy huh?

>>17546011

Maybe his stomach really is acting up as he claims but it would be good smaller detail he was somehow using the hour long bathroom breaks to assist Stannis somehow in retaking Winterfell

>>17543864
Was Pandora's Star any good? I'm currently balls deep in the Night's Dawn Trilogy.

>>17545694
you're wrong lol

E William Brown better fucking double publish in 2021.

>>17545807
so the solitary soul of the ark fragmented into all the inchoroi, like the soul of the God of Gods fragmented into the hundred?...
>whoa.gif

What's a good place to start with high fantasy? I've heard mixed things about the writing in Malazan. I've also looked at The Colour of Magic. Any recommendations for something epic?

>>17545879
t.sandersoy

I love Bakker, but going through the White Luck Warrior as been so disappointing so far. The Slog chapters drag and drag and drag...

It hurts me so much how nobody talks about the Rhythm of war anymore. Like, almost two weeks later nobody cared.

Did people really find the book that bad? It's clearly not the same as the first one, and it's too much crossover for me, but it's kinda sad.

>>17546196
Malazan is very good but I don't think it's a good place to start, lotr, wot [/spoiler]and Sanderson's books[/spoiler] are all pretty good entry level material

>>17546414
Yes, it was really that bad. It's a shame because I really enjoyed Wok and WoR, but then Sanderson lost the plot. He added too many characters,most of whom I don't care about, and stretched out arcs for way too long.

>>17546388
this is universal. wlw is weakest book in the series. it’s worth the slog though to get to the end.

>>17546414
maybe because it’s insipid, shallow and dull, so people quickly ran out of things to say about it...?

>>17546414
Rhythm of War was probably the shittiest book he ever wrote.

>>17546414
You have Reddit and the shard for that.

>>17541494
>Naked Empire.
>people on the cover have clothes

I'm trying to one up GoT and most fantasy books

what's cooler than dragons?

>>17545561
love this shit

>>17546708
griffins
drakons (no wings)
giant centipedes

>>17546708
Nothing.
There is a reason dragons remain the biggest and most popular fantasy monster.

>>17546769
true

they're just so dope. it's hard to beat for sure

>>17546708
There are many that are more appreciated by individual enthusiasts. Overall, the idea of a "dragon" may have the most cultural cachet globally.

>>17546808
>There are many that are more appreciated by individual enthusiasts
what do you like most, anon?

>>17546708
Dragons are only accepted because tardigrades would just be too massively OP

>>17544759
Bitch, I know what a talent is in regard to monetary exchanges. I have shit taste, I'm not retarded.

>>17546818
Dragons. It wasn't a personal statement. It's what I've seen from others.

Honestly the Witcher books are kino.

THE GODDAMN CAT

>>17546205
>I share an opinion with normalfags
>BUT I'M NOT A NORMIE DON'T SAY THAT REEEEEEEE
Gay.

>>17546414
Talking about it triggers the bakkerfags' autism, past a certain point it's just easier to humor the children to keep autistic tantrums to a minimum.

>>17546925
>implying I’ve ever read Sando

Oh no no no no no...

>>17546925
Typical low IQ sandersoy reply.

>>17546708
Demons/Angels

>>17546818
Ghosts, though there are also ghost dragons. that's one of the consequences of dragon popularity, just like humans there's dragon-versions of everything.

hey there but are the lotro newer drawen race, the stoutaxe, based on something from tolkien?

>>17547004
>my opinions are subjective and based on other people's opinions
Weird flex, but OK.

>>17547033
even dragon-dragon

opinions on john carter of mars?

>>17547055
>I’ve been been falling for the same shit bait again and again

Holy shit, imagine being this fucking retarded.

>>17547120
>redditfag doesn't actually know what bait is
Weird flex, but OK.

>>17547132
I accept your surrender

>>17546708
Giants, especially if they have ancient pre-human civilizations.

>>17547104
I only read the first 3 books of the series, but those were really excellent sci-fi adventure stories. Can't speak for the ongoing quality of the series though. I seem to remember a lot of additional sequels.

Is this what the general has turned into?
A never ending shitpost of Bakker vs Sanderson?
Can we discuss other books for fucks sake?

>>17547139
>surrender autist
Ah, so you would be the king of embarrassing cringe. I defer to your supreme expertise.

>>17547152
Shut the fuck up shitter

>>17547152
So this is what surrender looks like

>>17547152
I've been saying that for months.
The answer is obviously no. Bakker autists are too high on their own farts to just let a thread go by without fellating their dear leader.

>>17547152
Does it trouble you?

>>17547152
We Reddit now

>>17546708
Gods. Specifically, god-slaying.

>>17547104
It's so good that the live action film manages to be good despite being a post-Tarzan (1999) Disney film.

>>17547161
>>17547132
>>17547055
>Weird flex, but OK.
>king of embarrassing cringe

When did Reddit invade /sffg/? I haven’t seen this amount of cringe since summer. Holy shit.

>>17540440
I hate niggers

>>17547207
Exactly my thoughts. Bakkerposting has been a blessing. /sffg/ would be dead without it.

>>17547152
>Bakker vs Sanderson
I've read both and had to drop both mid-series they were so bad. Here is my opinion.

>>17547241
Can you elaborate?

>>17547249
I found the world-building of both authors to be engaging at first. But with Sanderson I felt I was going nowhere, it was so dense and slow, and with Bakker I felt I was reading "the magical and fantastical erotic and anal adventures and his self-insert character that is absolutely not R. Scott Bakker, by R. Scott Bakker".

>>17547301
>imagine being filtered by world building
Yikes

>>17547301
>a character is competent so the author must be self-inserting him as him the little punk what does he think he's better than me
god just shut the fuck up

>>17547301
>his self-insert character
And who was this? I really hope you don't think Kellhus is meant to be Bakker's self insert.

what's wrong with self insert characters?

>>17547104
i read only partially the first short story (Princess of Mars) and I found it well written and fun. Borroughs stories are all in public domain.

>>17547354
Kellhus is his appearance self-insert, Akka is his personality self-insert.

>>17547309
But that's not what I said. I liked their worldbuilding, not the stories they chose to tell in that world.
>>17547341
>>a character is competent
Superman prophet not Jesus was boring as fuck. I almost dropped the book when reading that terrible fighting scene at the beginning.
>>17547354
>>17547354
>Kellhus is meant to be Bakker's self insert.
Yes. The character has zero flaws and is a boring sociopath, that is also generous and noble, but also ruthless, but also empathetic, sometimes short-sighted, often visionary, is a good friend, but also a traitor... It's on par with Mary Sue fanfiction, which makes me think it's a self-insert.

can we talk about based moorcock instead of saderson versus bakker versus yo mama?

>>17547207
>falling for obvious bait
Good job retard.

>>17547418
god you're so fucking retarded. i hate americans so fucking much. so fucking much

my anal plug is self-insert

>>17547422
I am unfamiliar with Moorcock, what's his niche and a good place to start?

>>17547418
You seriously didn't get Kellhus at all. He's not a human, not even slightly. Dunyain are biological robots only slightly more related to men than skin spies.

>>17547418
>Yes. The character has zero flaws and is a boring sociopath, that is also generous and noble, but also ruthless, but also empathetic, sometimes short-sighted, often visionary, is a good friend, but also a traitor... It's on par with Mary Sue fanfiction, which makes me think it's a self-insert.
Unironically filtered.

>>17547418
>Kellhus
>empathetic
>good friend
Actually filtered

>>17547442
Start with Elric.

>>17547418
I will be using this post as a filter for my car.

>>17547104
fun adventures, although predictable and repetitive.

>>17547418
>Yes. The character has zero flaws and is a boring sociopath, that is also generous and noble, but also ruthless, but also empathetic, sometimes short-sighted, often visionary, is a good friend, but also a traitor... It's on par with Mary Sue fanfiction, which makes me think it's a self-insert.
*laughs in Kûniüric*

>>17547442
Moorcock is one of the father of modern sci fi and fantasy: he wrote early dark fantasy in the form of Elric of Mellniboné, Corum, Erekose and all Eternal Champion series and others, he also somewhat contributed to the steampunk genre with early ucronic\alt-history novel named The Warlord of the Air.

Nice books by him: All Elric cycle and Eternal Champion stories related, Von Bek's novels, Gloriana or the unfullfill'd queen.

>>17547444
Yes, I did get that, I just found the cold superhuman character boring I guess. I didn't finish the serie so I don't actually know who or what the Dunyain were supposed to be, and if they were aliens like the main antagonists.

>>17541040
as a ancient lusitanian i find romance languages offensive

Recommend me a book that I must read.

>>17547548
Titus Groan

>>17547548
a wizard of earthsea

>>17547531
>Yes, I did get that,
You didn't get it if you think he's a good friend and noble. There's a difference between being those things and acting as such. This is the sort of nuance a retard would miss.
Kellhus and the Dunyan are just an autistic take on Dune's Paul and the Bene Gesserits.

>>17547548
Book of the new sun

>>17547548
The Long Ships

>>17547727
>This is the sort of nuance a retard would miss.
It wasn't that nuanced, you give yourself too much credit. I know he was an autist capable of mimicking a thousand emotions while manipulating everyone around him with his mind tricks. A flawless character predetermined to just make everyone kneel before him while single-handedly fighting entire armies and learning magical concepts requiring years of training in a single afternoon, extremely boring and a straight-up YA Mary Sue. Paul and the Bene Gesserit are not comparable.

>>17546205
Lurk for at least two more years before posting, and attempting to contribute quality content, newfag.

Without spoiling anything.

Is there a reason why the ordeal doesn’t eat sranc meat?

>>17547548
The Wandering Inn

>>17547821
Does it trouble you?

>>17547825
Where are you in the books?

>>17547811
If Kellhus is a Mary sue, then he is a critique of it. Claiming he is Bakker's self insert completely misses the point of the character and is, like that one anon said, "the sort of nuance a retard would miss".
>>17547825
If you are worried about spoilers, stay off these threads until you finish the series.

>>17547855
The shit herding king needs to kill his “priest” because of the edict.

>>17547868
Keep going. Also, if you want to avoid spoilers, avoid /bakgen/ since lots of retards don’t use [ spoiler ] tags.

>>17547198
>>17547149
These combined make for absolute kino in almost any media.

>>17547894
Thanks buddy.

>>17546708
Demons

>>17547863
>If Kellhus is a Mary sue, then he is a critique of it. Claiming he is Bakker's self insert completely misses the point of the character and is, like that one anon said, "the sort of nuance a retard would miss".
I guess you could say the same for pic related if you managed to your bend your neck backward enough to suckle your own balls.

>>17547954
We got it. You're a literal retard who completely missed the point of the books.

I think having a sranc gf is the dream
>cute face, sranc have very beautiful faces canonically
>short haired tomboy (bald)
>likes fighting so she'll probably cuddle-fight a lot
>very high sexual appetite, she'll dry your nuts raw
>is probably into kinky stuff
>thin and athletic
>will enjoy your cooking even if you feed her worms
>religious (worships the No-god)
>fertile, she'll give you a lot of babies
I can't think of any downside to having a sranc gf

>>17548023
What about the part where they cut a hole into your stomach and fuck it until you die?

>>17548023
>I can't think of any downside to having a sranc gf
The feet

>>17547821
We Reddit now

>>17548093
A bonus.

>>17548066
It's a female, so it's going to hack off a hand or foot and shove the bloody stump up her cunt.

>>17548126
the females have dicks too, like hyenas

>>17548023
>>fertile,
???
I thought all the sranc girls were raped to death?

>>17548158
Where did you get that?

>>17548158
Nah. Sranc girls fight just like the males. It's mentioned in the appendix.

>>17548135
imagine giving birth through your dick

>>17546708
a gf

>>17548193
unironically better gender relations than any other species in eärwa

>>17548220
Nah that's the Nonmen

>>17548220
>>17548469
>dissing the whale mothers

So what fantasy lit is kino again? So far I have:

All of Tolkien
Narnia
George MacDonald
Gormenghast
Book of the New Sun
Little, Big


What am I missing here?

>>17548521
bakker
le guin
butler
malazan

>>17546554
Nice lmaoooo

>>17547811
>A flawless character
That's what it look like to a dumbass who didn't pay attention. If an OP moral hero conquers all and is flawless, why do you think Kellhus is depicted as an autistic sociopath?
The moment he casts any magic he's damned, according to the Tusk. Sending your soul straight to hell is flawlessness?
A barbarian can sort of fend his mind tricks because he had been exposed to his kind.
He's almost killed when he's put in the circumfix.
>entire armies
Only a couple or 3 companies must have charged that peak where Cnaiur's standard was by the time Kellhus leaves.
>learning magical concepts requiring years of training in a single afternoon
It took him two weeks just to learn the esoterics or whatever the non soul damning part of the Gnosis was.

What you still fail to realize is that, by our moral standards, Kellhus and the Dunyan are monsters. (Spoilers up to the 3rd and 4th books of the second series)
The remaining Dunyan in Ishual got royally fucked by thousands of notOrcs and Consult mages. Plus, their whole philosophy was probably wrong to begin with. His son literally jumps off a cliff when he realizes this. It's not flawless if they get that fucked up. Plus, Kellhus still makes mistakes where it matters the most.

>>17547811
>A flawless character
That's what it look like to a dumbass who didn't pay attention. If an OP moral hero conquers all and is flawless, why do you think Kellhus is depicted as an autistic sociopath? Would you consider a manipulative monster a flawless character?
A barbarian can sort of fend his mind tricks because he had been exposed to his kind.
The moment he casts any magic he's damned, according to the Tusk. Sending your soul straight to hell is flawlessness? He's almost killed when he's put in the circumfix.
>entire armies
Only a couple companies must have charged that peak.
>learning magical concepts requiring years of training in a single afternoon
It took him two weeks just to learn the esoterics or whatever the non soul damning part of the Gnosis was.

What you still fail to realize is that, by our moral standards, Kellhus and the Dunyan are monsters. (Spoilers up to the 3rd and 4th books of the second series)
The remaining Dunyan in Ishual got royally fucked by thousands of notOrcs and Consult mages. Plus, their whole philosophy was probably wrong to begin with. His son literally jumps off a cliff when he realizes this. It's not flawless if they get that fucked up. Plus, Kellhus still makes mistakes where it matters the most.
(reposted with more spoiler tags)

>>17547811
>A flawless character
That's what it look like to a dumbass who didn't pay attention. If an OP moral hero conquers all and is flawless, why do you think Kellhus is depicted as an autistic sociopath? Would you consider a manipulative monster a flawless character?
A barbarian can sort of fend his mind tricks because he had been exposed to his kind.
The moment he casts any magic he's damned, according to the Tusk. Sending your soul straight to hell is flawlessness? He's almost killed when he's put in the circumfix.
>entire armies
Only a couple companies must have charged that peak.
>learning magical concepts requiring years of training in a single afternoon
It took him two weeks just to learn the esoterics or whatever the non soul damning part of the Gnosis was.

What you still fail to realize is that, by our moral standards, Kellhus and the Dunyan are monsters. (Spoilers up to the 3rd and 4th books of the second series)
The remaining Dunyan in Ishual got royally fucked by thousands of notOrcs and Consult mages. Plus, their whole philosophy was probably wrong to begin with. His son literally jumps off a cliff when he realizes this. It's not flawless if they get that fucked up. Plus, Kellhus still makes mistakes where it matters the most.
(reposted with more spoiler tags)

Any science fiction books with mythological elements? Such as the big bang being caused by a god

>>17545513
cleric is literally insane and cares nothing for "good" or evil. this chart feels, much like bakker's writing/world-buidling, half-baked with a bunch of characters shoved into places they don't fit.

>>17545902
inchoroi were servants/slaves and the only survivors of the crash. they don't really understand anything beyond trying to seal the world off from the outside. the inverse fire is a goad to them, they do not really understand anything else

>>17546852
based

>>17547397
100% correct

Is a Wheel of Time worth reading? I've heard that it's long winded and full of hundreds of pages of filler.

>>17549048
No

>>17547785
now see this is a good recommendation for the OP, it's a great book

>>17549048
It’s ok

>>17549048
It's very hit and miss. There is a ton of filler and a lot of the sub-plots and characters are absolute ass. However, it also has some of the greatest fantasy scenes I have ever read (Dumai's Wells is, perhaps, the most epic scene I have ever read) and the arc for the MC, Rand, is quite good.

>>17547152
who are the Bakker and Sanderson of scifi?

I'd suggest O.S.Card but that guy went way tf off the rails, but the Expanse series is basically Sanderson in space.

>>17540592
Nice

>>17542828
Maybe to begin with, but now I'm reading Bakker and I'm enjoying it so far

>>17549021
Thanks Anon. Actually this is a good idea now, massive tardigrades. They're practically unstoppable.
>>17549060
Thanks Anon. I can't think of a better adventure in any genre.
>>17549048
Think of it as WOT = Waste of Time. Still think you should read it?

>>17549139
Bakker is the Bakker of sci-fi

>>17549048
Robert Jordan died too late to save us from himself. It's basically the tragedy of Lews Therin.

I read all of them and I will never get that time back. Do not do as I have done.

We're starting Broken Earth today in the sffg discord, Bakker in 2 weeks:
https://discord.com/invite/KWPCM7m

>>17541048
Nice. I found The Knight to be really engaging and to flow very well, but The Wizard got bogged down a lot. Enjoy.

>>17541653
It was a book of the month a year or so back.

best bagel shop in the ancient north

>>17541540
i expected it to be KIND of GOOD

>>17549717
Shoulda expected the opposite of that, duh

>>17549642
>they're all the city
based
/sffg/ meetup at black seed rockefeller center when

>>17545418
Based, great series. A remaster of the first game is releasing soon

>>17549781
i moved upstate during the coof but i’d honestly come back to the city for this.
i’ll bring the pipeweed and chanv.

>>17549857
Yeah I saw, and it looks like some mechanics with creations are being added. That's good because it's hard to go back and play 1 and 2, and to a degree 3, after 5. Resolution and UI are so old in comparison.

>>17547022
This

>>17545252
I'm halfway through it right now and really like it. The characters are far more interesting than in PoE, the overall story and lore is better, and the combat is vastly improved.

>>17550082
>>17547022
>>17547198
Well then, you guys will like my upcoming novel series. If I can ever finish the blasted things.
Encourage me, please, I beg you.... I’ve been sitting on these drafts for over three years. I tend to publish pseudonymously fwiw.

>>17550132
Post the first chapter

>>17550132
can you post a paragraph or a chapter or something pls

>>17550149
>>17550159
I will soon. I need to do another round of edits. Kind of a perfectionist and shy about my work. But I want you guys to read it...

>>17550181
>>17550181
And /sffg/ tends to be extremely critical and harsh (with reason, or just for kicks) in their responses to anonymous work posted here.

Every time I’ve seen an anon post an excerpt in this genera, it’s been reamed, called shit, etc.

>Week later it's still bakkerposting in full force
laters bros

>>17550229
It's been every single thread since November.

>>17550181
Better to just post it and get feedback than endlessly edit it.

>>17549139
How did os card go off the rails? I know nothing about him aside from popular author, loves jesus and Enders game yadda yadda

>>17550309
He hates gays, so that can be a plus or a minus depending.

>it's a Kaladin gets sad and nearly kills Syl episode
Every fucking book with this shit

>>17548521
Unironically the Witcher

Who is the tom clancy of magic fantasy stories?
I want to read about the wizard version of sicario, warlocks with silencers on their wands.

>>17550197
That's because it is, just like every other published work posted here. There's nothing special about it.

Have some more political compasses

>>17550556
>Saladin is depressed
Every fucking book

>>17544510
>harry turtledove
To this day I can't tell if he's incredibly overlooked or trashy alternate history author.

>>17550891
I don't him being depressed. But when he's actively fucking things up for the fifth time it gets old

>>17549048
It’s absolute dog shit. It’s worse than Sanderson

>>17550896
>took him 4 books to realise that Sando is a hack
Lol

>>17550896
And it's the same character arc every book.

>>17550909
It’s like I’m playing an mmo

>>17550909
That too.
I get that Sanderson is trying to make some kind of statement on how healing from mental trauma is hard and takes time and shit but damn, I really don't need that message hammered over my head every time there's a big climax involving Kaladin

>>17549048
>Is a Wheel of Time worth reading?
No. WoT is mediocrity that happened to be released at the right time in the right place to make the strides it needed. There's both better and worse fantasy to read instead that will stay with you.

>>17550917
Dude, people who are actually mentally ill are making fun of him on Reddit. The guy can’t write for shit.

>>17546196
Thing with Malazan is that it's not really character-driven unlike majority of modern fantasy and that rubs contemporary readers the wrong way. It's also a legit case of epic high fantasy spanning ten books so you're in for the long haul.

>>17550925
Where? I need to see people shitting on this characterization, for catharsis sake

>Thread topic: Post books and stories set in desolate winterscapes that you personally enjoyed.
Is Hyperborean fantasy lit a thing?

>>17550936
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/lgmq10/did_anyone_else_here_find_rhthym_of_war/gmsiwsa/

>>17550946
Why is the le epin upboating going up? Are there redditors in here?

>>17550964
>Sanderson
>Not Reddit

>>17546196
Lord of the Rings or bust

>>17550946
>when even literal schizos shit on Sandaro

LMAO

>>17546939
So this is what surrender looks like

>>17551066
half of them still seem to think he's an amazing writer, just a victim of his own prolific writing and lack of a good editor

>>17551121
Incorrect

>>17551136
that's literally what they say in that link

>>17551121
>just a victim of his own prolific writing
>”I am a stick” x 10
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>17550964
>*unironically follows reddit link*
>OMG LE REDDITORS LITERALLY EXIST
You're a fucking moron.

>>17551076
>hur dur hur surrenduuuuuuur
Cancer and cringe.

another great thread, guys
pure quality. really.
kys

>imagine spending 1k on sandershit

>>17551198
Does it trouble you?

>>17551223
as the anon who started the “dity?” meme, yes...
yes, it does trouble me how shit these threads are.

>>17551232
Joke’s on you :^*

>>17551232
Except you didn’t start that meme.

> D E A T H C A M E S W I R L I N G
> S H I M E H
> B L A C K S E E D
> D A M N A T I O N
> D O E S I T T R O U B L E Y O U ?
> W H O R E A F T E R A L L
> M E T A G N O S I S
> F A T H E R . . .
> D U N Y A I N
> S K I N S P Y
> C I P H R A N G
> C I S H A U R I M
> T E N D T O Y O U R W O M E N
> C U R S E L I K A R O
> I A M S T R O N G E R
> I A M M O R E
> C L A C K C L A C K C L A C K
> P R O Y A S
> M E A T
> B R E A K E R O F H O R S E S A N D M E N
> H O W I H A T E . . .
> I S M E L L C U N N Y
> I F U C K S R A N C
> T E L L M E . . .

>>17551251
Would you bet your soul on that?

>>17551268
I started that meme.

>>17551272
>I think not.

>>17551141
What does that even mean?

>>17551215
Kek

>Either she will carry her weight like a man or she will carry our weight like a woman

>>17551311
I correct myself, I think the verb was “bear”

Bakkar is overrated. He writes like an angsty teen incel.

>>17551318
what is this from

>>17551322
>Bakkar
Low IQ detected

>17551215
>being a poorfag
>implying I give a fuck

>>17551340
>spends 1k on sandershit
>can’t quote

Kek. You literally can’t make this shit up.

>>17551331
The Judging Eye

>>17551340
How new are you?

>>17551340
Sweet Sejenus, is r/cosmere trying to raid us?

>>17551340
>>implying I give a fuck
You clearly do

>17551385
>17551377
>17551346
Shit bait gets no (You)'s faggots. Though it's cute to see all the bakkerfags in one spot.
>implying you're not samefagging ;^*

*Makes you cry*

>>17551414
True.
His books were so bad that I wanted to cry. I didn’t thought. I only read the first chapter.

All this effort to shitpost a dead thread and you could've started your own "sandershit edition" thread to showcase all your meticulously curated anti-sanderson content for the whole class to enjoy. Lazy. No wonder you can't finish your novel.

>>17551426
Does it trouble you?

>>17551346
>>17551340
I hope that this is some well crafted bait. How can someone even spend 1k on Sanderson?

>>17548521
Fritz Lieber: Fafhrd and the grey Mauser
Morris
Lud-in-the-Mist

>>17551477
WIlliam Morris to be exact

>>17548521
and apparently Cabell's Jurgen is seminal (didn't read yet.

and obsv Lord Dunsany works (Sword of Welleran, Book of wonders, king of elfland's daughtere etcetera)

>>17550132
Post on RoyalRoad you sperg. You're never gonna make any progress if you never post it anywhere.

>>17551442
You literally can't. It's a weird meme from a deeply disturbed person who's terrible at math.

>>17551502
>RoyalRoad

never heard of it

>>17551505
i'm not the writer

>>17551442
It’s true. The guy is in full cope mode.

>>17551514
Even if it’s not 1k, it’s still pretty pathetic.

>>17551198
*smooch*

>>17551198
Seethe

>>17550943
conan in some measure, maybe? do you know some books with that theme?

do you fags know some good mediterranen and/or desert fantasy book/setting?

New thread: >>17551541 #

>>17551543
My diary desu

>>17551505
Well you have now, so get going.

>>17551547
then publish your diary

>>17549139
Oh c'mon, the Expanse isn't THAT bad. It's not very good, but that's just mean.

>>17551442
>>17551514
Weren't there some kickstarters or something to get some super duper extra special hardcover versions of his shitty doorstoppers? You know, the usual milking methods for low functioning autists that like his hacky writing.