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>>17510610
>Primary lit
STANDARD EDITION OF THE COMPLETE WORKS:
Schillers Verke. Nationalausgabe, ed. Norbert Oellers (1943-ongoing). [German]

For more information: http://web.archive.org/web/20040905234944/http://schiller.chadwyck.com/english/frames/moreinfo/htxview?template=basic.htx&content=infofram.htx

ENGLISH EDITIONS:
Essays, ed. by Walter Hinderer and Daniel O. Dahlstrom (The German Library, 1993). ISBN: 0826407137
Wallenstein: A Dramatic Poem, tr. by Flora Kimmich (Open Book, 2017). ISBN: 1783742631
Five Plays, tr. by Robert David MacDonald (Consortium, 1998). [Two essays in the back.] ISBN: 1840020369
Wilhelm Tell, tr. by William F. Mainland (Chicago, 1973). [Bibliography in the back.] ISBN: 0226738019
On the Aesthetic Education of Man, tr. by E. M. Wilkinson and L. A. Willoughby (Clarendon, 1967). [Bilingual] ISBN: 019815786X

>Secondary lit.
Friedrich Schiller: Drama, Thought, Politics by Lesley Sharpe (Cambridge, 1991).
On Schleiermacher and Gender Politics by Patricia Ellen Guenther-Gleason (Trinity, 1997).
Schiller as Philosopher by Frederick Beiser (Oxford, 2005).

I’ve been reading Schiller, I’m still new to his thought. Here’s my notes concerning what little I’ve read of his writings.

According to Schiller beauty is perception of freedom in the object world

Seems there is no true spiritual depth within him, as he places a tripartite schema, in which first is the physical, which is transcended by the aesthetic and the aesthetic is transcended into the rational. Meaning the rational which is identifies as the moral is the height of his thought.

He sees in nature and the physical the purely sensual, phenomena, multiplicity and feeling, within the rational he sees the noumena, unity and the forms. He seems to believe that the aesthetic level is the harmony/midway point between these two.

Further he holds a tripartite view of history, in which man is harmonized with nature due to his lack of interior and subjectivity, then a kind of tearing collapse occurs when man through culture develops his interior life and this causes a disintegration of his being and reformation, he speaks of it as if now we are balanced in between two evils, the brutal coldness of human bureaucracy and state, and the barbaric and senseless nature of human animalistic urges. This naturally will devour each other resulting in the next step of cultural society in which man is reunited with nature but now with a true interior.

The physical-material man and level of being is driven by a will and force in man which seeks pure objectivity, in contrast he sees an identification with the absolute with the absolute I(which he calls person) and he cites Fichte. Logically the harmony of objectivity and subjectivity would be the aesthetic level in this model.

Pervading Schiller is a thought I find somewhat antithetical to his friend Goethe(as explained in his confession of the beautiful soul) Schiller argues that there is a kind of natural rhythm and harmony in nature and that good taste is found by learning this pattern, that the aesthetic leads to/synthesizes with the rational through taste. Man’s primary education being the learning of this pattern which he inherently finds beautiful. This is very much in line with schelling’s conceptions of nature as poetry and the internal rhythm of creation.

In Goethe’s work he finds that beauty and advancement of the soul is attained through harmonization of the interior virtues and ideals with the identity and daily life, a union of the soul and the daily self. This is what it means to beautify the soul, to live in accordance with its deepest impulses and Its own rhythm. I imagine the conflict arises because to Schiller, the rational perception of certain patterns in

>>17510803
objects is the beautiful which is understood as a kind of embodied freedom, while to Goethe Freedom is more aptly the will (no longer arbitrary) willing a certain thing in accordance with the soul which has that Will, and striving with its full force towards that Will. Both men see beauty=harmony but the question of where arises the rhythm, the nature of the beautiful differs significantly between them.

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>>17510815
Thank you for briefly summarizing his beliefs and how he builds on Fichte and Schelling. That motivates me more to want to read him :)

If what you're saying about his philosophy is true, it sounds like he was largely correct as far as his view of the final stage of history and the beautiful. I have, like everyone I assume, noticed patterns in nature too and felt free about it.

I'm sorry I don't have more to say. I just found this bibliography so I'm excited to eventually read him too. Have you read the plays? If not we can read them together. I'm especially looking forward to Wallenstein

>>17510921
Not yet, I might be interested in reading them after I complete his philosophical works. I’m primarily interested in them because he writes that in his poetry, his cold and reasoning mind sometimes slips in and in his philosophy, his creative poetics slip in, and he explains in both works he feels the tensions of both and harmonizes them for the work. This fascinates me and I believe it’ll be better demonstrated by his Philosophy writings. But do continue making Schiller threads anon, I do plan on going through his art proper at some point and the anons here would certainly gain from reading him.

>>17510975
Will do.

Shiller thread?
I'd like to be a shiller for this ebook:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TGBGGF8

>>17511432
is this grandson of orson scott card?

>>17510642
>(1943-ongoing)
Doesn't this feel disheartening?

>>17511442
Yes!
And he's good too.

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