/lit/ - Literature

>>17508845
Truth is relative

that's where the fun begins

>>17508845
Keep going. This is the intermediate stage where you realize you know nothing like Socrates.
Keep walking on the path to truth.

>>17508845
>I can't make a true statement.
Woah, is that true?

>>17508849
Are you absolutely certain of that?

>>17508845
yes you can you just read shit Philosophers. Forget everyone after Spinoza included.
>>17508849
No it's not.

>>17508849
Is that true?

>>17508849
>Truth is relative
Is it? I can't tell anymore.

>>17508855
How is that fun? I'm considering to stop talking t all.

>>17508856
>This is the intermediate stage where you realize you know nothing like Socrates.
>Keep walking on the path to truth.
This is my 3 ride on Socrates Avenue, each on a different level of not knowing shit.

>>17508863
Yes? No? Both? Neither?

>>17508894
Name good ones please.
Another sip for this cursed well.

>>17508845
You can make true statements. just think about it. If you say 'I can't make true statements' your either correct or incorrect.

Say 'I either make correct or incorrect statements' That statement is correct.

Now you can say 'I can make true statements'

Socrates/Plato and Descarte are great for this line of thinking, as you probably know.

>>17508914
Aristotle is the only good philosopher.

>>17508845
My life was ruined before I took up philosophy. It helped me sort through the wreckage an weight the damage. But only by stopping thinking and taking action can you pick up the pieces.

>>17508914
>>17508971
ok now, the Greeks, the Romans, the ancient Chinese, the medievals and SOME Muslims and Indians are generally good.
By when you reach Meister Eckhart you are more or less done.

>>17508971
Plato was better.

>>17508845
the more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
So the more you don't know, the more you know that you know.

>>17509011
Peter Sloterdijk is based though.

>>17508845
Atleast now you know

>>17508856
This. You'll eventually realize the deeper meaning of it all: you need to embrace monke

>>17509032
you can accept latter exceptions on a case by case basis
but you shouldn't we still haven't resolved the problems which Aquinas and inn Arabi struggled with.

>>17508845
oh anon... I know just the philosopher for you...
MWAHHAHAHAHAHA

>>17509104
based

>>17508845
Read Discours de la Methode

>>17509104
WHICH IS HE BROS

>>17508845
It’s okay. In the mountains of truth, one never climbs in vain.

>>17508845
You have to ignore what doesn't matter.

>>17509022
Plato is probably the greatest philosopher of all time, in that he's had the widest and deepest impact and defined the structure of the field for all that have followed him. But in fact he's wrong about almost everything and Aristotle is right about almost everything. So Aristotle is better.

>>17509223
How to discern what matters and what doesn't? Like even the tiniest shit can make a huge difference.

>>17509205
I hope you are wrong but it really doesn't feel like that right now.

>>17509184
Will do, thanks.

>>17509104
Not sure if I'm to trust you.

>>17509040
I don't.

>>17508845
You're making true and false statements all the time anon. Just because you can't tell which ones are which doesn't mean they aren't there. Now the next step is to start measuring confidence. Aren't you way more confident that you're sitting there where you are, writing on 4chan, rather than having a mass delusion (not even a hallucination)? Hallucinations are sensations that don't correspond to the objects they seem to depict, but delusions are persistent false beliefs. That's certainly possible, that your sensations actually tell you you're in a Siberian gulag in the 30s, but somehow you have a delusion telling you that you're on this futuristic "internet" in the 2020s. Don't you think, even though that's possible, it's way less intuitively credible? Are you really as equally confident about the two possibilities just because they're two possibilities? Nobody gets past the possibility of error, but everyone can get past the stasis that you presently think follows from the first fact. Even Sextus Empiricus and David Hume, the two most famous "skeptics," agree with me about this.

>>17509247
care to explain what Plato is wrong about exactly?

>>17509194
>filename

>>17509247
If you reject the truth of Platonic Forms then you know nothing.

>>17508845
Are you me?
There are no answers for wretched freaks like us brother. You should look into quietism. Silence is the perfect answer to every question. But we are contradictory being who will never stop till their last breadth. Everything is so futile.

>>17509259
>How to discern what matters and what doesn't? Like even the tiniest shit can make a huge difference.
if knowing the answer would change nothing in your life, then worrying about it is pointless.
whether free will exists. what if you had made a different choice. etc. etc.
some things are beyond us.

>>17509324
the ultimate no answer isn't the answer to any question.

goddamn everybody on this board is completely retarded. i remember coming to this place from /v/ when i was 15 and thinking how intelligent everyone here sounded. what kanye west is to christianity this board is to philosophy/literature. you've taken the fiction of philosophy that exists in the public imagination of pretentious idiots who make up nonsensical statements and play endless word games and instead of moving past it and applying yourself studiously, you completely live up to it while saying "but this is good actually". much like kanye west's understanding of christianity is as shallow as someone like richard dawkins but "this is good actually". you will read all these massive meme authors like nietszche or heidegger or schopenhauer. you'll read english translations of them. you won't read their contemporaries. you won't bother to research the historical and literary context they were writing in. most of you will read them passively like novels without jotting down any thoughts in the margin. at best you will bother to understand enough to to get shitposts you post in your little discords. after exposing yourself to all the western canon has to offer you, you will produce something like this >>17508845
the reason you have to discuss literature on this dark and dingy corner of the internet instead of with real people with real interests isn't because of the woke agenda, it isn't because the normies just don't understand you. the are plenty of normal lovely people with happy lives with insights and an appreciation for literature. it's because you guys really are just pretentious mediocrities and very few of you will "make it".

>>17509328
>>17509334
I have to think about this.

>>17509261
I can't say you are wrong but basing my action on stochastics with marings of errors where there are multiple steps to decisions is spiraling out of control.

>>17509337
So what are we supposed to do?

>>17508845
>he fell for the epistemology meme.

>>17508845
epistemological nihilism is extremely midwit tier OP, kys

>>17509337
YES.
Finally you understand.

>>17509277
The metaphysical priority of the abstract over the particular is the main thing.

Are you tired of being lied to? Tired of the endless bullshit from people and institutions you trust, that lets you down again and again? Marx will show you why this happens -- and what really makes things work.

>>17509409
What are you a n*minalist or something?Do you deny the existence of universals?

>>17509413
Now you're just fucking with me.

>>17509409
looks like you got filtered

>>17508845
just stop listen or read ug krishna

>>17509413
All post "Enlightenment" "thinkers" get the fuck out

>>17509384
>So what are we supposed to do?
Nothing and everything as long as you escape the fictional narrative of being an intellectual.

>>17509337
t. Brainlet calling the brainlet brainlet

>>17509454
>fictional narrative of being an intellectual.
How does this feels like?

>>17509444
triples of truth brah
the enlightenment and his consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
To be perfectly honest we should include the 30 years war and the Avignonese captivity in that. from fillip the fair fucking the templars on it has all been shit.

>>17509413
marx is trash

>>17509469
you know every time you see a fantasy thread and you shit on it because fantasy is trash?
Stop doing that.

>>17509481
The so-called Enlightenment was a Judeo-Masonic plot to destroy traditional Christianity and Europe. Every liberal, anti-monarchist """thinker""" should have been burned at the stake.

If you want to get into 20th century continental stuff, basically it all ties back to Hegel. Hegel is first and foremost the man you need to understand to get Marx, to get Zizek, to get the French pomos, and anything influenced by Marx. Hegel's most influential work, The Phenomenology of Spirit, is the root and the starting point for a lot of debates around philosophy today. Hegel isn’t exactly an easy read, but it's extremely valuable.

>>17509606
>zizek
>marx
>french
>hegel
>continentals

eww, all cancerous

>>17509490
Shit you are right.

>>17509630
Filtered.

>>17509630
It's ok if you don't understand it, but to simply ignore a century's worth of European thought is asinine

>>17509630
M*rx doesn't deserve to be called a continental. He infected Hegelianism with Anglo empirical faggotry.

>>17508845
I feel philosophy should be attacked swiftly and retreated from swiftly.
Epicurus finished its original purpose

https://youtu.be/hBWDIzHldPg

>>17509630
>>17509653
Why do people say that Zizek is a Stalinist authoritarian when he supports liberal left wing social justice stuff like faggotry and trannies and feminism and whatever

>>17509640
you know how I knew?
Because I know this demon and I hate it more than I hate death.

>>17509515
based, complete agreement
>>17509653
more like three centuries of SHIT

>>17509654
>he infected cancer with aids
>and that is terrible

>>17508845
I think the problem is that the thought circlejerk loops have no concrete value aside from the wisdom that you will most likely never practically implement.

>>17508845
Take the Bayesian pill.

>>17510036
I would not call it though circlejerk but thought circlemurder.
The thing is every position can be attack on multiple level from multiple perspectives spiraling down until there is nothing left but my own existance.
I'm at the point where I don't think there is anything left to hold onto and no way to get to any utterance that could hod its own.
Basically just don't even talk just stay out of trouble.

>>17510058
I don't understand.

>>17510082
Tbh if the starting and end point is not grounded on the absolute truth, then there is nothing of value in any claim. Although if it is then reaching solipsism is impossible.

>>17508845
>I can’t make a true statement
Um. Bro! You can’t say that bro! It is either true, making it false, or it is false entirely.

>>17509800
bump

>>17510058
Bayes is the typical example of a mathematician completely ignorant of philosophy that comes around to a pretty basic idea and gets smitten by it and midwits worship him for discovering warm water.
In this case the idea is that instead of doing statistical analisys like a fucking autist considering only the specific set of data, you can infer from what happened in the past.
Litteraly, no shit sherlock

>>17508914
>How is that fun? I'm considering to stop talking t all.
exactly. it's absurd to stop talking. that's what makes it fun. through rigorous examination of philosophy you can recognize how decisions across all social spheres are absurd, and maybe with more rigorous analysis you can heighten the absurdity of your decision making while still having it bounded within a philosophical framework. you know, fun.

>>17510168
sounds a lot like pic related

>>17510101
See here is the thing. I fail to see any absolute truth past the most basic shut which becomes not absolute once you stack it on top o itself.
Like if I make statement A because of B I can just find "logical" reasons why A is shit and conflits with C or is dumb or brainlet or I can attack B or can attack the philosophy or methology or anything until there is nothing left, not even counting all that other bullshit to "win" a debate.

>>17509800
Hes bigoted against trans folx

>>17510187
clownworld is ghastly or wonderful at the flip of one's perception

>>17510274
He has spoken in support of them.