/lit/ - Literature

>>17488430
Read Paul Gottfried's Strange Death of Marxism

>>17488430
what system did non europeans invent?

>>17488430
People ('right' wingers, whatever that might be) are just retarded and call everything that they don't like it as left. The 'old left' is still going, anon.

>>17488430
You can't fight capitalism if your leaders are rich thanks to it, so you have to fight something else while thinking you are fighting capitalism. Left now is the greatest example of how brainwash works perfectly when it touches one's ideology.

>>17488450
And it is not like leftards don't do the same, but on their case is fascism, nazism and some other bs.

>>17488430
If it isn't Marxist, it isn't Leftist. You're thinking about radical liberals, who are often only slightly less retarded than right-wingers.

>>17488438
Sharia.

>>17488455
It's leftist. They all call themselves leftist. They all universally unite under a spectrum of leftist ideology and identity. Yes they are liberals nowadays but they're still on the Left, this is just what Leftism has devolved into. They will shit on Marx and deny historical materialism as long as they can cry about white people, but that's what Leftism has become.

>>17488460
Muhammed was a white man.

>>17488455
It is Marxist because it is against all hierarchies.
It has simply gone beyond class struggle into other hierarchies because class struggle no longer appeals to the masses.

>>17488455
This is completely false. Liberalism is a specific tradition in political thought. It's not just a place to unload and group people on your side who give you a bad name.

>>17488430
Marxism IS identity politics and liberal morality.

>>17488430
>how did Leftism gradually let go of Marxism in favor of identity politics?
Idpol doesn't cause death from starvation

>>17488535
Rhodesia would beg to differ.

>>17488487
>They all call themselves leftist.
Nazis called themselves socialists. Anyway, I was being slightly hyperbolic. Liberals are mostly left on social issues, whereas the tradition of leftism has historically been predicated on economic ones. I consider social democrats leftists.

>>17488508
True. Identity politics understood in a narrow sense isn't necessarily incompatible with class struggle, at least not to me.

>>17488513
I was referring to the American definition of liberalism. Calm down, William.

>>17488549
>I just want bureaucratic hierarchies and capitalism to be abolished and the exploitation of the environment and workers to stop.
if you live in the west you literally cannot do any of that without becoming a massive antisemite

It’s so hard to be a leftist these days bros. I just want bureaucratic hierarchies and capitalism to be abolished and the exploitation of the environment and workers to stop. But where else can I go

>>17488430
These people just hate white people. They barely disguise it. Why the fuck would I even consider being on their side?

>>17488430
Im convinced a lot of accounts like these are CIA psyops designed purely to encourage infighting and create new non-problems so real organisation can’t be attained

>>17488564
Read theory chud.

>>17488557
You can do these things from the right too
Just drop Marx

>>17488574
>chud

>>17488430
Gramsci.. it's always Gramsci.

>>17488567
>muh cia muh niggerinos don't really want to gangrape my entire family it's dah cia niggerino world will be paradise without evil white racist cia
Keep coping cuck .

Unironically Feels > Reals.

Race issues most likely feel more interpersonal so people get worked up over it more. I also think the fact that while modern work is dull its not nearly as dangerpus generally so its not as hard to get as worked up over.

>>17488586
You sound very spooked friendo. Best stay hiding under your bed

>>17488577
>I just want bureaucratic hierarchies and capitalism to be abolished
>You can do these things from the right too
Give me one example.

>>17488437
fpbp

>>17488557
Communism sure did abolish bureaucratic hierarchies.

It actually is highly arousing me that /lit/ is gradually getting more and more to the right.

Two years ago, even a year ago, you would never see anywhere near the amount of people understanding the JQ, race realism, hatred of leftism, and things like that. Now it's basically common knowledge and will only spread farther.

Blue boards will fall to the /pol/ master race. We are breaking the conditioning. It can't be stopped.

>>17488673
lmao newfag. The right turn of the lit is 2016 tourists, nothing more. Actually, the discourse was absolutely ruined post 2016, now its gradually getting back to normal.

>>17488673
>we

>>17488683
Literally everything in this post is wrong. But I expect nothing less from the kike disinfo agents on here.
Keep trying you're same tactics though and don't ever change. Surely they will work!

>>17488430
jew propaganda after occupy wallstreet. stop discussing the 1% because they are all jewish

>>17488450
>>17488454

yeah they also use ultra uber right wing to the extreme for the 90s

>>17488564
>These people just hate white people. They barely disguise it. Why the fuck would I even consider being on their side?

100% this. they are racist Caucasophobic nazis that claim to be against nazism

>>17488580
lol what a lames use VHS slur

>>17488693
lmao unironic low iq polrat

>>17488687
he looks like john oliver and stephen colbert

>>17488597
Feudalism.

>>17488726

They just gonna rebrand Capitalism "POC SOCIALISM" and keep ruling the world if this is the depth of the critique levelled at them.

>>17488735
BTFO'd

>>17488747
what more critique do they need? they hate me because I'm white, that is enough for me to despise them and all they stand for.

>>17488735
yeah that was the image i was thinking of but didnt have on my mobile. the left is so full of projection their meme is really about themselves

>>17488430
Identity politics is just marxism applied to culture instead of economics.

Yes, even if you subvert wikipedia and delete the page detailing this fact for being a "conspiracy theory"

>>17488735
We got to cocky leftist bros....

>>17488430
That's not the left, those are radlibs.
Also not literature

>>17488758
>they hate me because I'm white, that is enough for me to despise them and all they stand for.

exactly what i said. they are racist Caucasophobes. the are the true nazis. the riots and attacking ppl on the streets is what the brown shirts did. biden had a reistag fire event with his election fraud and unauthorized boomer tour of the capital.

>>17488723
The mere fact that this thread is even still up only vindicates me and proves I'm right. If this was 2018, the thread would have been scrubbed by now by lefty jannies. The fact that it is still up and discourse is allowed to happen freely shows that the paradigm shift is happening and you can't stop it.

>>17488747
THE OLD BOYS CLUB NOW HAS.... BLACK WOMEN?? Wtf i love poc socialism now

>>17488758
Just sounds like you wanna be oppressed mate. Imagine thinking a Twitter user saying dumb shit is the basis for all leftist discourse, like nigga look away from the screen, close your eyes

>>17488735

Do people actually like John oliver? Colbert was actually a good writer, Stewart most people like I think. Oliver has never done anything funny besides his bits that fed off Stewart bein a straight man.

Who the fuck watches his show? I live in NYC and no one talks about it, only people OL will post clips of it sometimes. Is it europeans? A secret faggot community?

>>17488735
These are literally all liberals. Americans will never know the difference because they will not educate themselves

>>17488782
This is Fox News and /pol/ brain rot in action everybody. It could happen to you

>>17488804
found the libtard everyone. notice he cant argue anything and just parrots buzzwords like a good NPC. enjoy taking dicks up the ass

>>17488813
>libtard
>NPC
>look guys he’s parroting buzzwords!

You’re so far gone you can’t even see you are what you’re apparently against.

>>17488792

Rochester university I had weeks of certain core classes dedicated to talking about how white people are evil. In the military I've had multiple classes about diversity and a lack of accountability for females. They even tell me don't piss off POC enlisted because they can fuck me over with facial claims, despite me being light skinned. Twitter cannot be a bubble that reflects only itself if articles and scholarship back them up. Pick up a copy of the new yorker and see how deluded its becoming.

>>17488792
Ah yes it's just a single twitter user who shares this opinion.
It's not like police were threatened into kneeling for a mob who's logo was a black fist or anything. That doesn't happen!

>>17488430
Not leftism.

>>17488847
The police kneeling was purely for optics that people like you would lap up so you can go ‘but my puhlice did everything the blacks wanted! why are the niggers so mad’

>>17488508
>It is Marxist because it is against all hierarchies.
>In March 1875 Engels complained in a letter that the programme mistakenly advocated “[t]he elimination of all social and political inequality”, rather than “the abolition of all class distinctions”. For Engels, the goal of total social equality was impossible and represented the ambitions of an under-developed form of socialism. He wrote,
>"As between one country, one province and even one place and another, living conditions will always evince a certain inequality which may be reduced to a minimum but never wholly eliminated. The living conditions of Alpine dwellers will always be different from those of the plainsmen. The concept of a socialist society as a realm of equality is a one-sided French concept deriving from the old “liberty, equality, fraternity,” a concept which was justified in that, in its own time and place, it signified a phase of development, but which, like all the one-sided ideas of earlier socialist schools, ought now to be superseded, since they produce nothing but mental confusion, and more accurate ways of presenting the matter have been discovered." (Engels 1875)
Good Lord why do people call Marx an egalitarian

>>17488860
I'll believe it if 'actual leftists' start attacking people like this like the right does with Ben Shapiro and the sorts.

>>17488868
No, it shows the power of that particular mob, people roll over and kneel for them and trip over themselves to appease them

WHY.

WHY DO YOU WANT MARXISM.

The left and the right both understand Marx to be evil: The Communist Manifesto's objective is to make all human beings as miserable as humanly possible.

>NOOOOOO THEY'RE NOT LEFTISTS THEY'RE RADICAL LIBERALS
>leftists support exactly the same social policies
>they recognise that idpol shit is a distraction from the class war but they will never disavow it because they all love gays/blacks/trans too
>differences in economic policies are irrelevant because leftists will never ever get their way
>even leftist champions like chomsky and sanders will give all your donations to liberals and tell you to vote for them (wonder what ethnic group they both belong to)
>leftists completely agree with the ruling class that blacks burning down working class neighbourhoods all summer is good
>leftists completely agree with the ruling class that shutting down small businesses all year in the name of virus containment is good
>the one time a working class revolt actually scares the ruling class, leftists again completely side with them and claim they're not working class because they're white, right wing and can afford plane tickets (lol)

you're all libtards

>>17488873
because they are bourgeois retards without any interest in truth or fairness. Materialism is the opposite of all these idealistic tendencies, but all these retards care about is straw-manning marxism to fit it into their cope reactionary ideology. Relativizing is the modus operandi of the bourgeois mind, it soothes him when reality threatens to shatter his cope ideology

>>17488900
>>leftists support exactly the same social policies
Usually Leftists criticize those policies for being ineffective and they've done this since reformism became less popular in Marxist circles during the late 19th century.
>>they recognize that idpol shit is a distraction from the class war but they will never disavow it because they all love gays/blacks/trans too
Once again most Marxists see idpol as useless but moralizing it is useless whether you promote it or seethe at it.
>>differences in economic policies are irrelevant because leftists will never ever get their way
Doesn't this prove the opposite of what you're trying to prove, as it would mean leftists would be eternally opposed to the establishment? Venezuela is an example of what reformism gets you for instance, for a supposedly socialist country they sure do have 2/3rds of their workforce in private hands.
>>even leftist champions like Chomsky and sanders
>>leftist champions
The only leftists online I've seen say they like Chomsky is butterz, and Sanders is seen as a hack by people who aren't radlibs.
>>leftists completely agree with the ruling class that blacks burning down working class neighbourhoods all summer is good
>>NOOO YOU HAVE TO LET BANDITS MURDER WORKING CLASS BLACK PEOPLE IN THE STREETS NOT MY SMALL BUSSINESSIRNOESS
>>leftists completely agree with the ruling class that shutting down small businesses all year in the name of virus containment is good
Petite-bourgeoisie are seen as an issue that isn't too significant by most leftists, in that there are bigger fish to fry.
>>the one time a working class revolt actually scares the ruling class, leftists again completely side with them and claim they're not working class because they're white, right wing and can afford plane tickets (lol)
Got picrel from leftypol, and it signifies the general sentiment among the left on that issue.

>>17488908
Yeah that is true, you can tell by how right wingers who are supposedly against capitalism will never truly advocate for leaving it behind, their class interests betray their faux dissident image.

>>17488900
>Thinking people have to care about the working class
What with you retards who think just because someone works their life has intrinsic value? The whole concept of "class war" is for snake oil retards. Class is a spook

>>17488873
Because eliminating class differences, in practice, is an act of egalitarianism. Engels is just being needlessly pedantic when the goal of communism to make everyone into paupers, and eliminates their ability to be selfish by mandating that consumption is controlled not by the individual, but by society

>>17488991
>Because eliminating class differences, in practice, is an act of egalitarianism. Engels is just being needlessly pedantic when the goal of communism to make everyone into paupers, and eliminates their ability to be selfish by mandating that consumption is controlled not by the individual, but by society
Literal boomer tier understanding of Marxism lol, if it makes you feel better to have won the argument, here you go lad

>>17488996
Nah, you marxists are fucking retarded. That's exactly what you want to do. You think just being deceitful about your intentions will change it. Class differences are natural; some people are just naturally better at achieving goals than others. No person, no society has no obligation to help those who don't have the ability to help themselves, you communist scum

>>17488938
they really can't meme

>>17489011
I dunno this one did pretty well

Why do people care about work so much? Communists are cringe because they think brutes who are too stupid to actually exploit the system to work a five to nine job is to be revered. A literal religion that worships brain-dead labors. Why not value people who are different, or have creative talents

>>17489015

What is it?

>>17488731
based feudal poster
I raise my visor to you good sir

>>17488430
'Leftism' is no longer leftism. We're in postpolitics and this is just neo liberalism for average people who have too big of an ego and think they want to rebel--against something, even though theere is nothing to rebel against, and they're too narcissistic and average to recognize the actual issue. You'd have to be willing to question your language and everything about your personality to rebel against something all encompassing, such as neo liberalism. Instead they reject the most easy to reject things: in gender, sexuality, sex, skin color, culture, language; though they don't actually reject them, they only variate them and call it rejection, like adding one or removing one from a billion and calling it a whole different number.

>>17489015
see this >>17488735

>uhm sweaty this is not real left the real left is on bunkerchan come visit sometimes
>go on bunkerchan, make an innocuous joke about trannies, get banned

>>17488949

Yeah that is true, you can tell by how left wingers who are supposedly against capitalism will never truly advocate for leaving it behind, their class interests betray their faux dissident image.

>>17489073
Yeah right wingers do look ugly, your point?

>>17489079
Brooo you said what I said and used it against me that's fucking wild broo

>>>/pol/

>>17488430
It always comes down to race. Leftism in the 60's-80's was Germanic/Anglo. Now it's something else, perhaps Hispanic/Sephardic.

Marxoids gaslighting everyone about irrelevancy of lib left and the allegedly authentic left still existing is about as comical as catholic monarchists sperging about how we haven't had real right wing since 1789.

>>17488788
dey dun haff orcs now? zug zug. the cucks loves it.

>>17489022
In practice, socialism is always a movement by, of, and for the intelligentsia. The "spontaneity" of worker movements, according to Lenin, directs the proletariat to forming trade unions, thereby seeking accommodation with the bourgeoisie. The revolution must instead be carried out by cadres of radical intellectuals, so that the democratic will of "the people" is not subordinated to spontaneity. The proletariat is never conscious enough to act in its own "self interest," so the intellectuals must lead a dictatorship of the proletariat, to protect "democracy" from the common man's expressing his own desires. Only by putting the intelligentsia in charge, and by using dictatorial force to ensure prestige and wealth is directed toward intellectuals, instead of being efficiently distributed by markets, can the direction of the economy and the development of mankind be "rationalized." Socialism is, and has always been, an expression of the class interests of the intelligentsia, even at the expense of the actual popular will as expressed by democratic elections.

>>17489080
>stephen colbert
>bernie sanders
>right wing
kys trannie

>>17488826
that was the point about you nigger nazis. you claim to be against it be follow everything they did. you even support the economic pogrom against a race of people so long as it says duhversity. guess your so far gone in the clown cult to see it

what's the deal with marxism, why do so many people call themselves marxists and what do you think of yourself when you call yourself a marxists?
I'm just curious thanks !

>>17489125
You first femboy

>>17488792
>Just sounds like you wanna be oppressed mate

do you say that to all the rapefugees?

>>17488430
this is a fundamental misunderstanding of mass politics
the majority of people who could be broadly constituted as 'left' do not care about identity politics and did not care about marxism
the reason that the screeching freaks and academics have changed their tune is because they have never cared about anything but the performance, this performance gives them the juice today and so they play their silly little games

>>17489129
Please anon, for your own sake, stop letting /pol/ fags mold your brain like putty and step outside. Step away from news media and click bait anti-sjw articles. Smell the roses, stop being a pawn in a spook race war

>>17489100
sounds like you support turning na and europe into a Caucasian hone land again with no orcs allowed

>>17489138

>>17488793

Oliver might be a fucking shit, but the funny thing is, he single-handedly did more for people than any of the other shitheads. He did an episodes once on debt sellers and purchaser, and showed specifically how it worked. In the end he decided to use his episode's special budget (70k) to buy all the debts titles he could and just void them all. He ended up voiding nearly 10 millions worth of debts with 70k.

>>17489080
>Yeah libtards wingers do look ugly

fixed it for you

>>17489096
> red dit

>>17489015
thats a self reflection and projection. its colbert and oliver when they hear someone say nigger

>>17488430
The question is, has this @photon_barrier pointed to any alternative social theory by people of colour? Where do we find out what they think the alternative should be? Simply criticising the whiteness of white peoples' thought and work isn't good enough. You can't just tear shit down, you have to offer constructive alternatives.

>>17488900
>you're all libtards

i agree. why quibble about the spectrum of libtardation and where some on is on it

>>17489159

Thats pretty sick

>>17489190
no we should critize orcs. Caucasians dindu nuffin

>>17488455
>Not real leftism

Holy shit, this fucking canard again. Time to take some ownership and let this duck rest. How often do you see rightoids disavowing fascists? Practically never because we don't pretend they're on somebody else's team.

>>17488450
It's funny, because that's precisely the behaviour I see on the left, with leftists calling anything they don't like, not only "right wing" (which for convenience is fair enough), but specifically using complex and loaded ideological terms such as "fascist", "far right" and "white supremacist", without a care for the fact that these terms are understood to mean wildly different things depending on your social and educational background.

The worst of it - and I can't express just how fucking tedious I find this - is when "left-wing" socialist types, and "right wing" libertarians, laissez-fair market capitalists, minarchists etc devolve into a discussion of whether or not the axis regimes are better classed as left-wing or right-wing as per the historical background of their development and the minutiae of dry economic technicalities, in an endless and circular reductio ad hitlerum to try and pin the stink of fascism and nazism on the other side.

>>17489224
>How often do you see rightoids disavowing fascists?
>Practically never
what the fuck are you smoking?
Everyone from GOP neocons to alternate media libertarian commentators CONSISTENTLY denounce fascism and fascists and seek to distance themselves from the far-right.
What fucking rock are you living under?

>>17488430
You should think of Marxism as just a 19th Century iteration of leftism reacting to the pains of industrialization. Idpol is the 20th Century version of leftism primarily reacting to fascism.

>>17488430
Libido Dominandi.

>>17489202

It honestly really surprised me. I was watching a couple of his videos on (You)tube, usually I don't do that, but I had caught two vids in a rows that just showed how hypocritical he was. In one he did a section on Leafland elections, were he oscillated between saying Leafland elections are a joke and do not matter, and yet, how much it also mattered that Harper didn't get reelected.
Which brought him to point out that what he was doing was illegal. As per Leafland law, foreigners cannot publicly comment on elections. You get fined 5k next time you come in Leafland. So he did a song and dance about how Leaflets are such pussies for having these laws and how a big network journalists like him won't be scared from saying Harper is a shit if it costs him 5k.
The next video I saw was him basically telling his viewers the US had to go to war with Russia over the Facebook ads election thing.
I had never watched much of him until then, and this triggered me, so I bingewatched a bunch more out of perverse hatred for myself, I guess, and they were all absolutely dog shit, until I reached the one on debt collection and sales and he does that thing with the debts buyout and I am like... well. Fuck. Regardless of how much I hate him on a personal level, what he did there probably helped people more directly than anything Stewart, Colbert or any of the others did.
Although I say this and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Colbert donated a lot to charities, he seems the sort.

>>17488908
>truth and fairness
Truth is subjective and fairness is a lie.

>>17488430
>68k likes
Who the FUCK are these people?

>>17489362
racists.

>>17488455
This again. Hey dumbass it doesn't matter how based and anti-idpol your sect of 3 Orthodox Marxists is, the vast majority of the modern left subscribes to the line of thought in the OP's pic.

WE NEED A SYSTEM INVENTED BY BLACK WOMEN

>>17489255
get a load of this retard. he thinks establishment GOP types are like us or on the same side. they just sold the right wing out during the election fraud and the reistag fire event. they are nothing but controlled opposition

>>17489202
It also made me wonder why we don't do that on a collective scale. Pretty much anyone who looks at how small debt collection works knows it is 99% of a scam. Anything that ends up on a debt collection market should have been written off anyways. They are sold for a fraction of a cent on the dollar in the end, we could set a lottery were half the money goes to voiding debts (or more ideally) and clear out that market in a couple of years.

>>17489085
Wow I like Mises even more now.

>>17489362
Caucadophobes

>>17489255

No, they don't. Not only that, but the primary difference is that when some 'happening' happens, right-wing pundits aren't saying "oh, these people are not really right-wing, they don't believe what we believe." They're usually saying "these people believe what we believe, and trust me, that is not what fascism looks like." There's a stark contrast between disowning and loving your children, even the unruliest of them.

Leftoids will know when proper fascism is on the horizon.

>>17489392
Get a load of THIS retard. I never claimed I thought GOP neocons were on "our side", just that they are viewed as being "right wing" in mainstream discourse, and they do in fact spend plenty of time not only trying to distance themselves from actual fascists, but from anyone the left alleges is fascist too.
You've only gone and proven my point, that people on the "right" do consistently denounce fascism.

Hell, I consider myself right-wing, I'm neither a neocon nor a libertarian, yet let me state this clearly here, I denounce fascism.

>>17489411
When a right-wing pundit repudiates spurious claims that a person or group of people are "fascist", that doesn't amount to the pundit saying they don't denounce fascism, it amounts to the pundit saying they don't denounce those people precisely because they're NOT fascist.
This doesn't remove from the fact that people broadly on the right do, in fact, consistently denounce fascism quite independently of false allegations that certain people are fascist.

The entire leftist movement (in the USA) was coopted after Occupy Wallstreet.

>>17488735
Man the similarity to john oliver is absolutely striking. Surely they based it in part of him.

>>17488799
All those people are champions of clown world. Leftists are champions of clown world. There's no difference.

>>17489229
Good post.

>>17489446
>I denounce fascism.
"Fascism" doesn't fucking exist.

>>17488430
Corporations steered them. It's a divide and conquer tactics ensuring plebs are infighting instead of turning on financial and corporate elites. Half feminists are fighting trans - it's genius. If trans somehow is not a hot topic, (((they))) will throw in some other hot garbage to distract you.

>>17488574
lol is that the "abolish whiteness" trash?

>>17488460
Arabs are considered white, or at least closer to white than to other main races (like mongoloids or negroids)

>>17489506
>Arabs are white
Lmao what, have you seen Arabs?

>>17488557
Just go with actual nazis. They just want to build their socialism within a single country, not in the whole world.

>>17489512
>Natsoycialism
LMAO.

>>17489490
Infighting is the inevitable result of diversity. People can only come together to improve society when they see it as THEIR society. Leftists keep blaming muh corporations for ethnic conflict. Of course every single leftist wants MASS NIGGER IMMIGRATION to the west. That's funny.

>>17489529
America is a nation of immigrants, chud.

>>17489509
Yes, Berbers are as well white genetically.
Even Indians are closer to white.
There were 4 main racial groups - Australians (native), Mongoloids (including American native), Negroids, Caucasians.
Sure they subdivide (there are two large subgroups of Negroids, and sure as hell there are a lot of differences between slav and iberian), and even recently mix (latinas).
Still, arabs are closer to whites than to other 3 main race groups.

>>17489517
I would prefer to refer to fascism, as they tend to turn the whole country into a corporate state and some low level independent business and it's arguably indistinguishable from China.

>>17489565
America is a nation of racists slave owners

>>17488430
Same reason neocons replaced paleoconservatives, they were weak and too scared to do anything against the subversion, that fight was lost long ago. You'll see it sometimes in discussion between socialists/marxists and leftists (leftism being understood as liberal subversion of communism/socialism), they'll try to offer some kind of resistance against the retards, they will seek some form of common ground but at some point they'll just give up and timidly agree that yes racism and by extension wypipo are the big bad problem

>>17488450
where?

>>17489529
I would argue that corporations are the one pushing for mass immigration to lower wages, reduce social cohesion which prevents union movements, as one of the useful side effects.
I would argue that lack of legal immigration options in the US (in comparison to Canada or Australia - where you get point based system with language exams, medical assessment and security background checks - and nobody screams racism for some reason) is specifically pushed by business interests on both sides of the aisle to push for illegal immigration de-fact to reap those sweet sweet short term economic benefits from exploitation of the cheap labor without any rights and with little regard to mid-long term social consequences (as mentioned above, breakdown of social cohesion works for them mid-term).

>>17489658
All leftists support mass nigger immigration. Canada is being pozzed by third world hordes just like every other western country.
Your little mental gymnastics to prove to yourself that you're any different from giga corporations are of absolutely zero interest to me.

>>17488438
Confucianism

>>17488793
Gen X liberals love John Oliver. He's too edgy for boomers and too unfunny for millennials. It's the symptom from the trump era where comedians go for the cheers instead of going for the actual laugh. I watch it so I can talk to my peers about it and see how majorly he fucks up, but overall, his journalism is decent and he shines light on subject people don't normally talk about.

He got better during covid because they dropped the audience and he finally got into the swing of not pausing for cheers and dropping the worst of the worst jokes.

This is why I like the Some More News guy, simply because his delivery and humor stem from the absurdity of the facts given, not some additional "if x was y, then z!" setup that john oliver constantly uses that was, and will only ever be, funny to gen x'ers.

>>17489658
>He wants immigration like Canada
LMFAO. You've got to be trolling.

>>17489446
>Get a load of THIS retard. I never claimed I thought GOP neocons were on "our side", just that they are viewed as being "right wing" in jewish media

that is why you have to cut off all jew media and links. then it becomes quite clear these people are frothing at the mouth enemies regardless of ehat you call their ideology

>>17489484
>Fascism" doesn't fucking exist.

the nigger nazis and zion nazis are the closest to facism that we have

>>17489506
they all look orc to me

>>17489658
>reduce social cohesion which prevents union movements

Where? Unionization has been on the downslide in both the U.S. and Canada. It is wholly unpopular, even among white people.

>>17489005
The problems with this is that if you are a retard and think of things only in vacuums there is some sense to your idea.
Just let people compete and then the strongest will win.

However, this misses that success of one is unfairly inherited by another, as is failure.
If your father was a genius and made a billion dollars and you are a retard, guess what you have? A billion dollars.
This is of course ignoring that luck plays a massive role in success beyond any other individual factor. A lucky moron goes further than an unlucky genius.

The overall idea behind that kind of 'objectivist' thought is just idiotic and lacking in real world analysis.

>>17489490
this would be a good point if it wasnt for all the violence against Caucasians either by orc crime or from police that never get charged; and all the economic pogroms against Caucasians with duhversity hiring and gubberment gibs for orcs

>>17488438
Arthashastra and Manusmriti from India

>>17489392
>not real rightism

>>17489565
thats hewish proaganda. american is and English colony based on freedom you VHS slur

>>17489517
>doesn't actually refute point
>>lol! haha! I disagree! haha!
Please kill yourself

>>17489529
yeah fuck foreign invaders and fuck the cucked traitors that open the gates for them

>>17489763
It's "hewish" propaganda that the English moved here aka immigrated?

>>17488430
The short answer is that the west used to have a large working class but since real work got outsourced to the third world after the war people in the west have been increasingly removed from the working class and working conditions. The large middle class which today makes up the majority of the population of the west are alienated from production and tend to work in service or take on managerial roles. Class consciousness is difficult to create or maintain in such a situation. But also it’s worth pointing out that the middle class has always been prone to moralising. It’s hypocrisy tended to be framed in Christian terms but now it’s chucked those away and gotten itself new ones.

>>17489735
>they all look orc to me
Hell no, Arabs are hecking cute and totally valid.

>>17489630
>America is a nation of racists slave owners

sounds like your talking about the middle east. Americas 2nd war was against slavers on the Barbery coast

>>17489143
It's not 4chan that makes people believe this. It's actual interaction with leftists. Because that's what leftists are.

>>17489658
no such thing as immigration. only foreign invaderz

>>17488597
Narrowing the scope to my ultra-conservative hometown, people pay no regard whatsoever to authority and the most powerful bureaucrat is probably our town librarian.

>>17489695
1) Depends on the definitions. Is China left? They sure as hell don't support uncontrolled immigration and their policies regarding ethnic and religious minorities beg to differ.
Through my life I migrated from marxism to fascism, mainly due to fascism ending its ambitions by improving life just within a single country without trying to change the whole world, which I think both impossible and harmful for the human race long term.

2) Not sure if you aware of not, Canada has a legal federal immigration program. Here is a link, you can check criteria - https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/federal-skilled-workers.html
To pass you need:
- main applicant has bachelor+ degree; 25-40; 5+ years full time work experience; excellent marks for language exams in 4 categories; have spouse with bachelor+ degree; (one of the criteria can be relaxed if you got close relatives in Canada or graduated from Canadian college)
- get enough money on landing to support your family for 6 months of live in Canada without any income
- all your family passes medical exams to ensure you don't impose drain on Canadian healthcare
- background and security checks (no potential terrorist, no convicted felons allowed in).

Now think does sound like an immigrant passing such program is perhaps more beneficial to local society than a random illegal you get in US? think what kind of offspring both will produce.

Do you know how many US legal immigration programs like that based on merit? 0. And if you try to establish something like Canadian federal immigration program - left will lose its mind as racist and shit.

>>17489695
>All leftists support mass nigger immigration. Canada is being pozzed by third world hordes just like every other western country.

even during scamflu. we cant leave the country are under house. millions without jobs and willing to work fast food or elsewhere they are still bringing in hordes or orc foreign invaders

>>17489738
My mistake, it looks like unionization is up in Canada, so you may have a point there. But it is wholly unpopular in the U.S. except for public (government) employees, which are significantly unionized.

>>17489803
>Advocating for Canada style immigration
>Thinks he's not a leftist
Bro Canada is undergoing the fastest demographic change in the world. Fuck off with your shit neocon.

>>17489714
i want immigration like israel. they iur greatest ally. we should naturally agree and have similar immigration policies

>>17489713
Gen X here confirming. Used to like his show until few years ago it became too apparent to be what it is - pure political propaganda.

>>17489565
no israel is a nation of immigrants

>>17489714
I would prefer to have a legal immigration program instead of open floodgates of illegal one US currently have.
And yes, believe it or not, Canada and Australia has a better immigration policy than US, because they actually got one.

>>17489824
>Used to like his show
Cringe. How could you, even for a minute.

>>17489828
Wrong, Israel has the right to a Jewish homeland.

>>17488430
Corporate media pushing identity politics to keep the heat off the bankers

>>17489834
The only good immigration policy IS "none".

>>17489781
>Hell no, Arabs are hecking cute and totally valid

zug zug. do you subscribe to ORCED.COM. sounds like you have a perverse orc rape fetish

>>17489750
makes sense for corporations to target the strongest group

>>17489776
English colony of course more of the family and tribe can come. just look at israel and their policies

>>17489845
Yeah bro our nation will be much stronger once all the smartest people in the world want to go to university in China or Europe.

>>17489762
>>not real rightism

you mean ultra uber right wing to the extreme for the 90s

>>17489789
sure, if you can prevent any - do it. but I'd argue it's better to have a controlled legal one where you can regulate the volume and quality vs don't have any and just get millions of illegals.

>>17489864
Kill yourself faggot.

Only allow immigration from European countries(Europe and Latin America, but only if above Mestizo level), desu.

>>17489864
I didn't know we had boomercons who post here
>As long as they're legal!!

>>17488564
Lmao your white feelings hurt?

>>17488564
r/fragilewhiteredditor

>>17489873
America poached the best scientists from all over the world post WW2. We still do. Historically illiterate rightoids whose analysis of international relations is "muh race" will literally destroy this country.

>>17489814
and US is not? it's just slower, because you had a 10 times more locals
I pick legal chink or poo doctor who passed all kind of examinations moving in vs illegal random from Mexico (I would prefer none, but well...).

>>17489894
Yeah can't wait for us to keep the rest of the world out so we can be a technological superpower like Poland

>>17489910
My only idea for international relations are "none"

>>17489837
Gen X sense of humor or lack of any...

>>17489914
Mexicans are white.
>inb4 muh spic
Yes.

>>17489845
I'm for multi-step strategy: implement legal controlled immigration and stop illegal one and then steadily reduce the flow through control measures.

>>17489921
>I want America to be wholly irrelevant

No thanks. You can be irrelevant if you want to be, personally, but your nation is a world player and that's how it is and how it will be.

>>17489942
K, have fun with ethnic balkanization you retard.

>>17489894
>As long as they're legal!!

What is your grievance with this remark?

>>17489921
>If we ignore the rest of the world, they can't hurt us! Why can't everybody mind their own business?

You people are more braindead than communists, who at least recognize the importance of international power.

>>17489933
latinas are mixture of white and mongoloid races. poos are actually closer to white race than any latina.

>>17489026
El Paso Shooter

>>17489952
Well considering we've been much more hurt by foreign powers from 1917-2021 than before I'd say you're a Mongoloid.

>>17489949
Yeah Poland is looking so much more developed and stronger than those poor stupid "multicultural" states huh

>>17489964
Cope. We ARE white. Castizo master race.

>>17489972
Last time I checked Poland doesn't have regular terrorist attacks.

>>17489968
Honestly your politics is "return to monke" tier. If you think the century where the US was the richest, most powerful country on the planet is actually bad for Americans, just move to some economically isolated shithole.

>>17489976
mkay. I don't have anything against Brazilians in Brazil, or Mexicans in Mexica

>>17489983
That's because Poland is irrelevant and any attack there would thus be futile.

>>17489994
And Sweden isn't irrelevant? Still has regular terror attacks.

>>17489985
We were plenty rich before we started retarded foreign interventions.

>>17490001
Swedish people have triple the net income of Polish people even after their tax rate

>>17490025
I hope they have that nice latte to console their raped daughters.

>>17490025
Cool, and?

>>17488430
Unironcially A little manlet Marxist thought he was saving it but accidentally destroyed it

>>17490011
No, we weren't. Standard of living has risen so dramatically in the last century (and crime rate fallen) you would be better off in poorest county of the country than you would in 1900.

>>17489910
You realize you should be at odd with leftists with this argument since you are stealing valuable people from other countries. So this is not altruistic but selfish. But your kind has managed to brainwash leftists into thinking accepting the most docile, disciplined, useful workers for the benefits of big corporations and the state, under the rules of the richest, is an act of great generosity and good for communism. I will just congratulate you on a well executed propaganda.

>>17490034
Which is higher: Sweden's present day crime rate of America's crime rate at any point prior to 1920?

>>17490051
>STANDARD OF LIVING GOOD!
I'd rather live in a mudhut if the village was homogenous then live in multi cultural hell.

>>17488438
Potlatch

>>17489005
There are no natural class differences by the very definition of "class". You should first look up what it even means before talking about it.

>>17490084
Yeah yeah it's relation to means of production. Of course in every Marxist state the commissars just took the place of the bourgeoise. So how is he wrong?

>>17490062
I thought we are comparing Sweden to Poland.
In 2012, Sweden had 66 cases of reported rapes per 100,000 population, according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå) https://web.archive.org/web/20140714125901/http://www.bra.se/download/18.22a7170813a0d141d21800061146/1364311914171/100La-2012.xls

Poland - 4.7 per 100,000 population https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rapes/Per-capita

>>17490084
I think he is stating it very poorly and I agree in some ways that classes are artificially created and protected, however there will always inherently be inequality.

If you can take inequality out of reality, Marxist Communism becomes feasible, otherwise it's a ridiculous system.

I think Austrian socialism, or some other form of socialism could be feasible, just not Marxist communism. I think that there is a lot of things wrong with academia, but that is one of the biggest.

>>17490106
let that sink in, Sweden has 14 times higher rape rate than Poland per capita. Around 80% of rape in Sweden is done by immigrants or their kids.

>>17490110
What is the Marxist conception of class vs the Austrians?

>>17490120
Sweden...I kneel...

>>17490053
I could not care less what is "good for communism", because I'm not a communist.

>>17490067
Literal "return to monke". This is a technology addict cope. "STANDARD OF LIVING GOOD!" is the reason you, your children and siblings all live past the age of 4. It's the reason your wife doesn't die in childbirth. It's the reason you don't spend 10 hours a day 7 days a week shoveling coal. It's the reason you have access to virtually every work of literature ever written. It's the reason that "rape and murder" are political buzzwords for you rather than a mundane fact of life.

>>17490134
Oh look he fell for the "everybody died before they were even born" meme. And dumbass I wasn't actually saying standard of living is bad but just that if it's based on unsustainable growth that needs mass immigration I'd rather not have it.

>>17489085
what did he even mean?
>>17488938
you meme (and think) like a 5yo
>>17489015
yeah that's stealing a rightist meme and changing the face to put an antifa creep that supposedly portraits the right

>>17488437
fpbp

>>17490151
>Oh look he fell for the "everybody died before they were even born" meme.
Go ahead and check infant mortality rates over time in any country.

>>17490183
I'm well aware of infant mortality rates you idiot. Doesn't mean that everybody died before they were 4.

>Durr infant mortality is lower today that means mass immigration is good
The state of neocons

>>17489749
If my father made a billion dollars he's more likely to have superior genes in some way, and so he and his progeny deserve to be better positioned to breed. Someone who could never amount to more than flipping burgers should, on average, though there are unlucky exceptions, be culled from the gene pool.

>>17490190
The actual, obvious point which you so carefully misunderstand is that virtually every single family had dead children.

>>17490127
Austrian socialism is a VERY pigeon-holed type of thing, since when you talk about Austrian economics you typically talk about people who
A) believe in the existing capitalist order
and
B) dislike socialism very much

There have always been exceptions though. Milton Friedman, like me, has liked the educational system of Sweden.

But really, when you talk about Austrian Socialism you are dealing almost exclusively with Joseph Schumpeter. This man was just such a pot-pourri of different ideas and philosophies, you would really want to read his work. Suffice to say, like any sane person, he believed in some of what Karl Marx said, just not all. And that is actually enough for Marxists to hate him.

He didn't agree with historical materialism, or the idea of organic capital flowing into the next stage of civilization. He didn't agree with underconsumption entirely either.

...However. There are some VERY important things with providing for others. There is something to altruism that is lost on some of the big-wig capitalists these days. If you had something like the educational system of Sweden applied to all companies (governments giving people wagers to encourage them to get taught at private institutions) and there were a range of institutions providing for everyone, then you could avoid the tricky crime-laden economic-centralized control problem of 'one party', while providing for everyone.

Actually, when I read this it resonated with me most peculiarly because I had just finished reading Von Neumann's book on Game Theory at the time. He, nor Morgenstern, never made the direct observation that you inevitably end up with <x oligarchies in an x-party game, but the observation is just so trivial it stands without saying. Even moreso when you start analyzing different alpha vs. beta vector spaces for strategies. There start to become effective coalitions that necessarily exist no matter how people behave. The point of this is to show that oligarchy is the natural state of things after cacophony. The problem with a democracy is that necessarily this oligarchy results almost clandestinely.

But regardless, a one-party system, or pretending that power doesn't consolidate are both terrible solutions to this natural tendency.

>>17488438
wakanda/kangdom
>>17488450
>People are just retarded and call everything that they don't like it as left.
yeah like all those like op's pic that call themselves leftist?? gaslighting it and saying it's the rights invention outs you as a fucking retard

>>17488455
>, who are often only slightly less retarded than right-wingers.
wrong, retard
right wing>old left>liberals

>>17490097
>>17490110
I was simply refering to the point that the simple reality of more ambituous/talented people achieving better outcomes is not what a class is. It is how your perspectives are determined by what is passed down to you from your parents and environs, e.g. poor people living in a poor neighborhood raising poor children.
The inequalities leftism wants to abolish are not those of outcomes but of perspectives.

>>17490208
reduction of mortality rates is attributed to better sanitation, vaccination and healthcare access
I would argue it has little to do with multi-culturalism
By the way, what is infant mortality among Amish?

>>17488430
There have always been liberal leftists. The attached image is just another liberal. There have always been revisionists.

>>17488450
>People ('right' wingers, whatever that might be) are just retarded and call everything that they don't like it as left
A couple of orthodox marxists who stick their tail between their legs and run away when ever confronted on identity politics don't really mean much of anything.

Mods stop being faggots and delete the thread.

>>17490255
better move it to /pol/

>>17490255
Thread is about Marxism. Karl Marx is a writer. Thread is on topic. Cry more faggot.

>>17490134
>you can watch netflix and have a slightly lower infant mortality
>all you have to do is erode the foundational trust in your society and increase the crime rate 60x

>>17490282
General philosophy discussions go on >>>/his/

>>17490206
And if the father was just lucky?
Look at our world's upper classes - are they examples of genetic superiority?

>>17489976>>17489933
no you are not, you are degenerate mongoliods with 20% white rapist dna
>>17489964
>poos are actually closer to white race than any latina.
i agree. i hate the subhuman eye shape bolivian/peruvian indians have, indians have face shape much closer to whites than west indians.
t. white argie

>>17490291
If philosophy was removed from /lit/ this board would be even shittier. It would just be Lolita spam and Joyce fart jokes.

>>17490302
well... highest IQ among ethnic groups is Ashkenazi Jews

>>17490291
Have you ever visited that board? Intelligent discussion directly related to authors belongs on /lit/.

>>17490310
...by an IQ test developed by an Ashkenazi Jew.

JFC... if their systematic control of Palestinian land wasn't enough evidence of them controlling a lot of institutions I don't know when you are going to learn.

That isn't to say that people with high IQ's aren't smart, but I definitely think there are very many ways someone can be smart, moreso than some linear test developed by a race saying everyone of that race is smart.

Open your eyes.

>>17490310
And they are genetic messes beyond that.
And they trend towards high IQs on account of wealth and good environment. Which is very influential on individual IQ.
Beyond that, they are not the majority nor the only part of the upper class that rules us.

>>17490328
I actually believe they have the highest IQ developed by whoever, because they do something we should perhaps learn from them - keep racial purity.
Oh, and that's jews who are trying to abolish IQ scores and discredit them. The Bell Curve is sure an interesting read.

>>17490302
If he's lucky then he's lucky. But on average, the wealthy will be wealthy of their own accord, and not due to luck, simply by the law of averages. Over time, this will trend the gene pool toward genes better suited to achievement in the current society.

>>17489749
>However, this misses that success of one is unfairly inherited by another, as is failure.
I don't have to care if life is unfair to people; since life was necessary to suppose to be fair and never has to be. More so, "success" and "failure" are subjective; I don't have to be a billionaire to be successful; I don't have let society to determine what makes me successful. Instead of being resentful of your unluckiness, like communists do, make yourself comfortable with what you have and make the most of it.

>>17490307
>If philosophy was removed from /lit/ this board would be even shittier. It would just be Lolita spam and Joyce fart jokes.
That would be better than the board is now lmao. At least it would be about literature and not bait threads 24/7.

>>17490356
Absolutely not, they simply are part of a religious institution who believes they are the chosen ones-- falsely of course.

If they were the 'chosen ones' they wouldn't be so fucking usurious, which is one of the worst sins.

Absolutely not, open your eyes and then try to talk. My point is more correct than the entire book of 'The Bell Curve'. Race is very different, and makes infinitely more sense that their IQ test, developed by a Jew, would measure their race the highest.

Or how they subvert the media and try to convince us that people who look like John Stewart are white.

>>17490337
I'm pretty sure jews are waaaaay over representing in the ruling class.
"despite being 2%..."

>>17490084
Yeah, classes are natural. They were the result of civilization being sedentary. Do you really think classes only existed up until capitalism? You think the means of production did not exist before capitalist society? Are you stupid

>>17490384
Over-represented on account of dominating the finance industry isn't the same as being it all.
Blame the medieval kings I guess.

>>17490391
>classes are natural
They aren't, however unequal wealth distribution is natural.

There is a difference.

Haven't been on /lit/ for a while, looks like jannies are still useless

>>17490383
It's very convenient for (((them))) to present themselves as white or not white, religion or ethnicity. Very shifty. And that requirements that to be considered a jew you should have at least a jew monther- it's all pressure for racial purity.
So again, perhaps we should just learn from them and embrace "white supremacy", because jews sure as hell believe in own superiority and act upon it. That's why they are winning and we die out.

>>17490370
https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.07068
Just to prove my point.

Regardless, I don't agree. Those that are wealthy tend to stay wealthy and influential and grow more so, shutting others out.
It only takes one lucky guy to establish a dynasty.
And it only takes two lucky people to establish dynasties that later marry into one another and rule a nation.

>>17490402
they are over represented in corporate management, media ownership as well, top government positions inside civil service and courts. for all effective purposes - the ruling elite.

>>17490376
If your ideals don't lead to a society where fairness in terms of individual merits leading to success and happiness, then why bother supporting it? Chances are you are going to be on the bottom, so its just some kind of extended masochism in that case.
Society does determine what makes you successful. What is valued by society and leads to power in it is what is meant by success.
If your idea of success is being the best shit shoveler in the county, no one cares.
We're talking about success that leads to influence and power. The success that matters on a societal level.

>>17490414
They are simply being corrupt. You are mixing being corrupt with intelligence.

In my mind, it is more intelligent to have a mentality like I have, or that you may partially have after this conversation, than to try and purify their race or some shit.

You see, there is nothing wrong with having impure races, as long as you understand that races are inherently different.

Have these combinations of characteristics and you start to break out of the polar mindset you've been imbedded with since you started watching TV.

You don't die out with your mindset, it will be the opposite. The WEALTHY Jews (because of course there are poor, middle class Jews just like us) populate very rarely, like other wealthy people. And because of their strict religion, I would say even rarer.

Actually, since time immemorial the wealthy classes have always populated less than the poorer classes, and if you don't understand why then there is no help for you. ESPECIALLY recently because the elites have understood a bloated poor class to be the means of control.

So from your post, I understand your heart is in the right place, but corrupt =/= intelligence and your notion of IQ being equal to intelligence may not be the case either, you are far too influenced by the 'infallibility' of academia.

Get used to the idea of two main paradigms as well - the rich, wealthy paradigms used clubs, institutions, and colleges/universities as a way to spread behavior, not knowledge. And the poor use similar things to spread behavior as well.

If you understood all this, then you would see why the poor will never 'die' out. If anything, they will overpopulate themselves and the wealthy underpopulate to increasing levels as time goes on.

>>>/trash/

>>17489712
Based

>>17489788
>It's not 4chan that makes people believe this. It's actual interaction with leftists. Because that's what leftists are.

exactly. notice how libtards never use the offical term Caucasian but always try to use slurs for an entire race of people based on skin color. yet those same libtards use made up terms for orcs to try and make them look redpectable. they dont wsnt to get along or coexist. do stop trying to get along with them. punch a libtard or orc today

>>17490403
>They aren't, however unequal wealth distribution is natural.
So classes are natural. Differences are natural. There is no such thing as "equality" ; there is a fiction, a legal phantasm. Nor does anyone have an obligation to pursue such a thing.

>>17489838
wrong it is the homeland of the palestians. NA and Europe are the homeland of the Caucasian

>>17490498
>the offical term Caucasian
Caucasian is only the official term for retards. Caucasian is literally a remnant of skull-shape based race science. The only accurate term is white, but even then it’s fucking dumb. Race is retarded and a worthless concept anywhere outside America and other settler-colonial nations

>>17490443
>If your ideals don't lead to a society where fairness in terms of individual merits leading to success and happiness, then why bother supporting it?
You don't have to support society or equality. You can be selfish which can negate both.
>Society does determine what makes you successful.
It does not. Success is a matter of perspective; it is not an objective, defined quality.

>>17489845
keyed. fuck the orcs and foreign invaders. do their countries allow immigration, nope. they just want coloniez.

>>17489850
then they should target the jews or boomers

>>17489845
This isn't empirically true.
https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy

>>17489864
yeah bud, it was like that when American had strong economic growth. it all stopped with the orc foreign invasion. china is growing now and also has those nationalist policies

>>17490501
You moron. If you didn't get the point of the post let me spell it out for you

Natural differences in wealth =/= class

Class is a term defined in social science.

>>17489866
every nation outside the west does it. look at israel. they dont allow orcs or foreign invaders

>>17490530
Selfishness dictates that you get something out of a situation.
But chance itself says that you aren't going to be on top. So now your selfishness has just lost you everything.
And success that doesn't influence anything, doesn't really matter for the situation. As I said, if your success is cleaning shit everyday and that makes you happier than anyone else. That is great.
But when we talk about success and its importance, we talk about the ability for an individual to use their personal talents to achieve some matter of influence and material gain. Because socially that is what matters the most.
If you are unable to do anything other than remain the slave of someone above you, then you can't really achieve any influential success.

>>17490564
No, I just don't agree with or care about Marx's a priori positions. Equality is a utopian, impossible dream for pious atheists. Instead, you should accept that equality is a function of your world, and you should have courage to overcome your own natural limits. Fuck your terms, and fuck your theory.

>>17489894
>I didn't know we had boomercons who post here
>>As long as they're legal!!

fuck the boomers. they hated their own kids so they saw nothing wrong with a foreign invasion so long as they got theirs and it mainly affected their kids

>>17490573
>But chance itself says that you aren't going to be on top. So now your selfishness has just lost you everything.
What does "on top" mean? That's vague. There are plenty of people in our society that provide for themselves without having much simply because they the skills to survive in our world. You don't need much to do that. Really, man only needs food and shelter.
>If you are unable to do anything other than remain the slave of someone above you
If you are slave, that's really your fault. If you lack the courage, or the strength, to overcome your enslavement - that is your failure. The limits of one is not the limit all. No one has to intrinsically value human life, or even human life that isn't there own.

>>17490577
>Fuck your terms
It's not my term. It's not even Marx's term. Class is a generally accepted term by people who read books. Or, in the case of elementary schoolers, papers or things in staples.

Because that is who you're stupider than.

By the way, I dislike Marx as well, for various reasons.

>>17489903
do your fee fees get hurt when someone calks orcs n1ggerz or autusts get called retards, or fat positives get called land whales or faggos get called the undead?

Reality came crashing in. They just shifted using 'post-modern' tactics

>>17489910
are these the scientists that said masks dont work then said masks do wirk during scamflu. wow they are clearly the best

>>17490599
>It's not my term. It's not even Marx's term. Class is a generally accepted term by people who read books.
I don't care, and I don't have to accept their terms.

>>17488455
Leftism existed before Marxism

>>17489921
keyed. alot of americans wanted american to stay out of the world wars. would have been much better for all involved

>>17489933
they are rape babies and orcs

>>17489940
i am for an extermination strategy and war on mordor

>>17488585
You could argue it was Lukacs.

>>17488430
There's a book you could read called "Redistribution or Recognition?" that covers this issue.

>>17490596
On top means in power, don't be deliberately thick here.
Providing for yourself and achieving some measure of power and influence over your life are different things. Serfs provided for themselves, they were also dogs to the nobility.
Saying that your utopia will have you eating gruel and living in a shack will the warlord/company/tyrannical government on top of you dominates your life, leaves a strange impression.
And viewing enslavement as a moral failure is a very dumb view. Even the great Spartacus was crucified let alone the other million revolts. Slavery is a material status, not a moral one. One that is not easily or in some cases possible to change.

>>17488430
Read cynical theories and coddling of the American mind

>>17488799
Oh we know the difference, Leftists are the ineffectual pussies that do what liberals tell them to. They talk about class a bit sometimes until the Liberals call them racist for not focusing on race and then they fall in line.

>>17490695
>On top means in power, don't be deliberately thick here.
What does "in power" mean? Power is subjective. Power to do what?
>Providing for yourself and achieving some measure of power and influence over your life are different things.
They're not mutually exclusive.
>Serfs provided for themselves, they were also dogs to the nobility.
Which was there fault, and so what? If they're able to survive, and get by, what does it matter. Are you so naive you believe everyone in this world can become a noble, or that every one ought to be one?
>And viewing enslavement as a moral failure is a very dumb view.
Its really not. If you don't have the strength to overcome your failures; that is an individual problem. No one is obligated to feel sorry for you; you think that pity for the poor, the downtrodden is a necessary act; when it is not - it is a matter of perspective.

>>17490460
I agree with most of these sentiments. I am not against race mixing per se, I am for protecting my group interests and positive upward selection. Which is in direct opposition to downward pressure from corporations who are trying to destroy any cohesive groups either for better control and removal of basis for potential opposition to them, or just as a process to create a universal consumer / product. Since I'm in top 10% already, such dilution works against my interests. So still, I would suggest pointing to jews protecting their group interests as a counter point to "white privileges / supremacy" bashing.

>>17490501
I'd say there is a difference in targeting equal conditions vs equal outcomes. Unfortunately, there is a tendency to consider unequal outcomes as something bad, so tweaking by affirmative actions begins and inevitably results in inequality of conditions. Ironic.

>leftist tries to argue with me
>no matter what he says, his position is supported by the entire corrupt establishment and filled with rich liberals
>half his friends become trannies, and after our argument he will have to go back to pretending to be okay with it

>>17490547
jews are not the strongest group challenging current elites
boomers are on the way out, biologically. they sold out our future and now just want to die in peace

>>17490846
>My position is better because Breitbart, Fox News, and the conservative establishment agrees with me
>No, it is not me who is brainwashed, my upbringing would never do that to me, it must be the other side

>>17490657
I rate chances of that method to be adopted by whites as very low. Orcs have higher chances to do something radical as that.

>>17490866
Breitbart maybe. Fox News agrees with you and fires the people who agree with me or brands them as fringe crazy people. Even establishment conservatives pander to your team. You are astroturf.

>>17490857
Boomers didn't do anything to you. You're just resentful hat you fail at life. You live in a period where people are living longer than they ever have, are wealthier than previous generations, and are less violent than they've ever been. Yet, you're still not satisfied.

>>17490866
Go kneel to a blackie

>>17490873
Imagine being so fucking retarded you think the GOP and Fox News pander to each other. They spend billions of dollars on elections just to have the same positions

>>17490823
Read this with an open mind and it will all make sense.

>>17490882
Get necklaced, cracker

>>17490889
You're off your meds again. Go talk to someone.

>>17490877
>You live in a period where people are living longer than they ever have, are wealthier than previous generations, and are less violent than they've ever been. Yet, you're still not satisfied.

t. Steven Pinker

>>17490289
More like

>Lower child mortality, lower disability, and longer life expectancy
>Shorter working hours, safer working environments
>Safer drinking water, lower pollution, cleaner cities,
>Greater access to information
>Most powerful military on the planet

The past is not better than the present. The only argument paleotards have is "muh homogeneity", which has less of an effect on violent crime than our improving material conditions. (If you doubt this, go ahead and compare any immigration heavy nations of your choice with any nation you consider ethnically homogenous from 50-100 years ago by violent crime rate.)

Paleos are more retarded than communists because they have the same moronic disposition towards idyllic fantasy communities, but they literally don't believe in any of the tools that have strengthened the nation. That doesn't mean there's nothing to learn from the past, but paleos are braindead.

>>17490877
Except I succeeded and I am thankful to my boomer parents and their parent for building a competitive advantage (privilege) for me personally, I will do the same for my kids. However, as a broader group, my predecessors lost cultural war and condemned our genetic line for long-term extinction.

>>17490106
all crime is due to orcs

>>17490919
Your "genetic line" persists regardless of race mixing you illiterate

>>17490913
>The only argument paleotards have is "muh homogeneity", which has less of an effect on violent crime than our improving material conditions. (If you doubt this, go ahead and compare any immigration heavy nations of your choice with any nation you consider ethnically homogenous from 50-100 years ago by violent crime rate.
You'd be surprised dude.

>>17488450
It took ten years to go from Occupy Wall Street to being their bitches.
Now kneel, dog.

>>17488799

>that wasn't real communism
>that isn't real leftism

And yet outside of a tiny message board universe anyone who calls themselves "leftist" is exactly like this people.

>>17490919
>However, as a broader group, my predecessors lost cultural war and condemned our genetic line for long-term extinction.
By virtue of existing, you are condemned to extinction. It doesn't matter.

>>17488438
civilization

>>17490968
If we're going to use that logic, we just should start calling everyone on the right a fascist then

>>17488430
>Marx
>And Engels
The state enforced secular kibbutzes for gentiles drops the mask and pretense of being by or for the laborer, and shows its hand as a distinctly Anglo-financial/industrial tool for human domestication/enslavement eugenics.

>>17488437
>>17489122
This. ‘Blanqueism’ is the cope for when it takes a reactionary turn

>>17488673
Political economy was much less prominent here at one time, not showing power level was more practical

>>17489630
>2% of the population is 40% of current day billionaires and imported nigh all slaves while owning 85% of them; you were middle class if you could afford to have 1-5 as domestic help. They wear small hats and pretend to be white as it suits them

>>17490945
not really. my son is the last carrier of my family name. which is mind boggling, my grandparents had 4 and 5 surviving kids respectively, during the demographic shift. so sure, mortality is down, and birth rate dropped even more sharply.
So my descendants will be assimilated and my genetic and cultural legacy will be diluted to nothing.

>>17490954
Go ahead and look at the murder rate when the darling American "Founding Fathers" were alive, compared to the murder rate among minorities today. The general population was twice as likely to commit a murder then as the minority populations with the worst murder rates in present day America--and that's already an unfair comparison. If you compare rates in the general population its like quadruple.

>>17491018
No, retard, your genetics don't disappear due to race mixing, you retard. How do you fail this much at basic biology?
>my descendants will be assimilated and my genetic and cultural legacy will be diluted to nothing.
Okay and? By virtue of existing; you are destined for extinction. you can not live forever, and there isn't an afterlife. You need to overcome the fact that your life ultimately has no meaning, and that your entire upbringing is just based on lies to make you think it does.

>>17491018
Lol, what is this even supposed to mean? If the entire society was white, it wouldn't change the fact that you only had one son. Your "genetic line" is a function of how many successful children you raise.

>>17491047
Your argument is stupid because you're more likely to be killed by a person of your own race than a minority. Which is the same for every race. Why do you care so much about blacks killing each other, and not your own race killing you? You're just being really fucking stupid. More so, generally speaking, violence has gone down world wide.

this is a thread for soiboys

>>17491064
how about basic math?
2 generations ago, my ethnic group was naturally growing by having more than 2 kids surviving to adulthood. Now, it's less than 2 kids and we are going extinct. It's a mathematical fact.
Individuals die, genetic lines and cultures continue. Not sure what is your meaning to live, my is to build a better live to my kids and my group and for them to win the competition for limited resources.

>>17491109
You don't understand how genetic material is passed on. We have literally brought extincted animals back to life by simply tracing down mixed ancestors. You're fucking dumb.

>>17491087
I think you either replied to the wrong person or misunderstood my post. I was illustrating that even among the supposedly "violent" minority groups, murder is less common than it was in the general population in the past.

>>17491067
It find it fishy how our whole birth rates plummeted below replacement limits. It happened on boomer's watch. Therefore, it's their fault as a wide group. Their policies sealed our extinction. Instead of solving why whites stopped reproducing, they just started importing cheap labor.

>>17488430
The mutation happened around the middle of the 20th century and only became worse and worse from there. Leftism gradually became absorbed by the ruling political class as they came to realize that Leftist positions could be used to manage the sociological aspects of a culture, while Right-wing positions could be used to manage and exert economic influence and power in a culture.

So the Leftists stopped becoming interested in overthrowing material constructions--which is a retarded position anyway imo, because history has proven over and over again that simply getting rid of a material structure you don't like does nothing to solve the underlying problems that corrupted it in the first place--and focused more on image and identity.

You can track this train of thought in the evolution of postmodernism and books like Society of the Spectacle, where Left-wing thinkers began to concentrate more and more not on what they had to do, but how they had to look in order to compete and perhaps one day overthrow the current system.

Unfortunately, all that really happened was those positions--while metaphysically interesting, even fascinating in their documentation of modern social phenomena--wilted as they became watered down for the masses. And instead of most people viewing the system they lived in as one large structure that was only projecting an image of power instead of actually being capable of generating it, therefore making it absolutely fallible and in need of correction, they became tethered to the political and social talking points that the structure handed out to them as consolation prizes, and dug ideological trenches over them.

And now we're here in the present, where popular Leftists and Right-wingers alike have totally abandoned any genuine ideological conceptions of reality in order to play-act with each other for social/legacy-media brownie points.

It's disgusting, but it won't last, and I predict within the next decade or so these people will be regarded as nothing more than children and disposed of.

>>17491126
Birth rates have plummeted in most developed countries, including among other assimilated ethnic groups. You are stuck in the same fallacy as the people who made Malthusian overpopulation arguments--assuming that whatever is currently happening will continue indefinitely. Developing country's population growth will slow as they reach similar levels of development to western countries. Ethnic minority's population growth will slow as they enter the middle and upper class. It happens everywhere.

>>17488450
Yet I have never seen and orthodox marxist who was openly fighting against it

>>17491120
Name calling doesn't refute the basic truth that our ethnic group fell under replacement levels and going extinct. it may be ok for you, it's not ok to me.

>>17491148
It's an assumption though. Meanwhile my ethnic group is getting replaced, because our fertility is under 2 and world population keep growing and migration gets easier and faster.

>>17490199
dont project that on to us. libtards are in favor of the foreign invasion. we hate the invaders