/lit/ - Literature

>>17485933
Taking advice from an actual drug addict. Clean your room

>>17485933
>just brainwash yourself with nihilism and you'll defeat religion
based anti-jung

>>17485933
Just take the always-working pill. By work I dont mean slaving but I mean trying to become the best at a skill.

>>17485933
You literally don't need meaning to live. Nihilism is a made up non-issue, "meaning" is just one of many copes for the death of God, and a usual gaslighting tool from schizo christcucks. Sadly it will take some time for humanity to realize this but there was never any "meaning".

>>17485978
pseud

Nobody in this thread including pic related understands religion and spirituality.

>>17485983
Cope. Plants, dogs, birds and other living beings don't need "meaning" to live or any other religion. Neither did we until our consciousness evolved to the point we started questioning things. It is 100% a man-made issue. Your brain is literally wired to keep living, and most "nihilists" live just fine. The only reason you'd feel like killing yourself and thinking life isn't worth living is because of depression, a chemical imbalance, an one of the ways of rationalizing this is "life has no meaning" despite that if you ask most people they wouldn't be able to answer you what the meaning of life is, or they'd make up a meaning on the spot. Nihilism isn't real or an issue at all, you are most likely depressed and if you don't want to take meds you should at the very least learn about depression and realize your brain is fucking with your beliefs and worldviews. You don't need to live some ascetic religious life that you know deep inside you don't even believe, just learn more about things that actually fucking exist and don't bother yourself with pointless abstractions like "meaning" or religious nonsense.

>>17485993
Religious people don't understand religion, you included.

>>17486025
I'm not religious retard.

Ahem.
It just is.
That is all.

>>17485933
Read Plato's Apology. That is my best advice.

>>17486009
Codified autism

Some kind of lies are necessary. Religion comes prepackaged with many so you don't have to make your own. Just do it.

>>17485933
That’s how it works

>>17486009
>The only reason you'd feel like killing yourself and thinking life isn't worth living is because of depression, a chemical imbalance,
Retard detected
let me guess, love, hope, sadness, triumph, are just muh "brain chemicals" as well, right?

>>17486143
Oh damn. An atheist Jew who has a hot opinion because of he's butthurt about the fact his parents made him go to the synagogue on Saturday matters more than literal millennia of human experience.

>>17486143
Explain the Valentich disappearance then if UFOs are not real.

>>17486143
Irrationality like thinking homosexuality is real

Following nihilism through to the end seems like it would lead to liberation. Spirituality is about seeing through all the bullshit, which includes your own emotions and self-serving stories.

>>17485933
i never liked that guy

>>17486009
>your brain fucking with your world view and beliefs
You are your brain so those are valid world views and beliefs meaning your cope is no better than their cope retard.

>>17486009
He's right, you know. Reading books won't save you, /lit/ pseuds.

>>17486303
>᥅ꫀᥴᛕꪶꫀᦓᦓ ᥅ꫀ᥇ꫀꪶ ꪑꪮꪀᛕ
?

All midwits are capable of is deconstruction

>>17486321
Butterfly, if you are so smart and certain thaat UFOs are not real then what happened to that Australian pilot Rudolf Valentich on that fateful flight to Tasmania in 1977? Explain that one. Even if you don't believe in aliens that event is proof UFOs are some kind of malevolent force to be reckoned with

>>17486143
>90% of Americans believe in Nazi gas chambers
>a similar % think that Jews have been repeatedly victimized for no reason and that it has nothing to do with their parasitic modus vivendi
>ONLY these people can be professors, journalists, and politicians

Religion and religious significance spread the splendor of the sun over such ever toiling human beings and make their own sight tolerable to them. Religion has the same effect which an Epicurean philosophy has on sufferers of a higher rank: it is refreshing, refining, makes, as it were, the most of suffering, and in the end even sanctifies and justifies. That's what I think.

>>17486347
probably because understanding a problem requires deconstruction and our national/global orders are collapsing around us. don't be a pseud.

I just popped a xan, fifty thousand in Kazan

>>17486414
Well we've gone over it 20 thousand fucking times at this point and it's starting to get redundant

>>17485933
>Just watch my Suggested Videos which YouTube shills to you whenever you watch nationalist content
>Don't be young and mad at the world, become a 50 year old man like me instead

>>17486408
That's just wrong though. Religion is just a tool to put some power in your punch. In the bible that's straight up the deal god makes with israel: worship me and you win battles.
Meaning is just for bored housemoms

>>17487296
Drugs are bad though. Tell your mom too.

>>17486009
why are the chemicals imbalanced though? don’t stop there, get to the root

>>17485978
Based
Borges said this in an interview

>>17485941
>ad homming

>>17485933
He's a complete brainlet on religion..he's an atheist himself ffs

>>17486293
Good cope, faggot

>>17487417
Which god?

i used to take this guy seriously but he seems like a neurotic mess himself. he seems to be blathering on about some spiritual nonsense and basic self help get yerself in order dad shit

>>17487694
he's a genius, fool

>>17487694
>i used to take this guy seriously but he seems like a neurotic mess himself.
>mixing a man's profession with his personal life
He might be the best car mechanic in the world that doesn't mean he can be a race driver or that he even knows how to ride a car

some christians like the orthodox emphasize being capable of gratitude and practicing it before trying to 'force' anything, for what it's worth

>>17488277
no this junkie piece of shit has been acting like a car driver and telling other people to the way that they should drive their car.
only a subhuman would take a junkie white guru like him seriously.

>>17487694
the thing is that pretty much 100% of what he's ever said has already been put out there before in different wording by someone else. ever heard of rene girard? some dont seem to understand that disliking him personally doesn't do anything to actually critique or 'debunk' the statements

>>17486199
>let me guess, love, hope, sadness, triumph, are just muh "brain chemicals" as well, right?
Yes, you are made of chemicals

>>17488317
Which chemical produces God?

>>17487417
>>17487659
What does that even mean to these people?

Exactly my thoughts. Which god exactly? And how do you extrapolate that into something tangible? Are they assuming that there’s a reward awaiting them in the afterlife?

>>17488352
>Which god exactly?
The one you talk to the most

>>17485933
>>just brainwash yourself into religion and you'll defeat nihilism bro
Not uttered a single time in any of his books lmao

>>17485933
better than brainwashing yourself into thinking you can create your own meaning

>>17485933
Or do the Nietzchean thing and go beyond it. You'll still find death, though

>>17485941
>muh ad hominem
How dare he encourage people to get their act together while being old and sick and having health complications because of antidepressants while his wife was dying from cancer, right?

>>17488458
Ironically, people writing that need his books the most... lol

>>17485933
Nothing is less efficient at killing a christcuck like entertaining the thought that God actually doesn't exist with honesty

>>17485941
Clean your penis, bucko

>>17488467
They're too smart for their own good. At least, if it serves as any consolation for anyone, every asshole on this earth have his humbling coming. Everyone gets old, sick and die.

>>17485941
(You) are gay.

>>17485933
accepting truth is not brainwashing.
that said yes your latest MKULTRA psyop was particularly effective.
you sure played a number on the normies.

>>17485978
imagine being so debased kek

>>17486143
... these people are right about everything of course
imagine not believing in the devil, yikes!

>>17488530
Let the dead bury their dead.

>>17488458
>tells other people to get their act together giving broad advices that ignore personal differences and personal histories
>b-but it's different for me! I can ignore things and cheat because of REASONS
Yeah, totally not disingenuous

>>17486283
It's probably inside your ass. Have you looked?

>>17485933
Anybody accusing atheists of nihilism is just an ideologue who hasn't bothered to think about the topic at all. They're just regurgitating shit they heard in apologism class(they literally attend classes about how to sell their religion and dismiss criticism of it) They will also say atheists are "angry at god" and shit.

>>17485978
Even if someone needs meaning that is not a valid argument that the only source of meaning is one religion's singular god.

>>17488298
>white people can't be psychologists
oops your genocidal far left extremist is leaking

>>17488525
Calling your ideology the truth doesn't actually make it true.

>>17488620
>Anybody accusing atheists of nihilism is just an ideologue
The accusation is not usually of "atheists", but of "atheism".
>one religion's singular god
He didn't bring up any religion.

>>17485941
Dont forget how is daughter ended up

>>17488679
Married with a healthy child and making money by podcasting...? Lol scary

>>17488690
Nice cope

>>17485933
The other alternative is coming back to the real world, not being lost in the realm of words and theories.

>>17488705
>So what that she's happily married and makes good money....
>She had herpes!
Ahahahahahahaha

>>17488620
>Anybody accusing atheists of nihilism is just an ideologue who hasn't bothered to think about the topic at all.
I’ve been struggling with nihilism for years since I stopped being Christian. Thy might be on to something, I can’t escape this mind virus

>>17488717
Nobody wants a whore daughter desu

well that is obviously not what he is saying. it's giving value to traditions because they are practical to humans

>>17485976
This. Choose something useful to become incredibly autistic about. Literally solves all your problems.

>>17488620
look at him immediately and conspicuously ignoring any mkultra allegation~ stuck a nerve didn't i~~

>>17488736
make your own purpose. go gay. live for cock.

>>17488736
it's not the virus, it's the cure. freedom ain't free. you are just crying like a baby born

>>17488738
Speak for yourself

>>17489052
kek no it's the virus
a LITTERAL destructive meme

>>17485933
>nihilistic libertarians
>hyperborean larpers
>everyone politically to the left of ted cruz
>& jews
United to attack the person and not the argument. We cant a positive movement for our youngs, you must die.

>>17489060
well you should know the alternative then, go back to ignorance.

>>17489070
What is a substantial argument Peterson makes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIB05YeMiW8

>I am a christian but I don't believe Jesus rose from the dead

>>17485933
Nihilism is stupid and impossible unless you have too much time on your hands.

>>17489226
Christianity has access to truth, but it also has a lot of chaff. There's no resurrection in the gospel of Thomas.

Also, no resurrection does not mean Jesus was annihilated at death.

>>17486143
But the devil does exist

Coming from a religious familly in a somewhat traditionnal nation I really do not understand where all those atheist come from. Like why do you want to break down everything. When it's so simple and infinitely complex. The problem is not even them. 2-3 generations in the past their ancestors rebelled and preferred being punks than following what their ancestors built.
I really do not know what to say. I would say something and they would come out with sonething else. Its like allright do be you. Reject everything handed to you by your ancestors if you are so lazy to learn what they knew and teach. We will see where it all leads. How many generations you will foster.
It is really weird to see the west fall like that. What else will they want to break down next? Gender, math, language, human relations?

>>17486009
>dogs birds dont need meaning! we didnt before we ''''''evolved''''''
yeah it is always the desire to reduce humanity to a state inhuman. i wonder why people like you are allowed to live like normal human beings.

>>17485933
this is unironically what he advocates

imo his biblical lectures is what revealed his true beliefs and intentions. this guy believes in nothing, all he knows is that jungian psych seems to *work*

>>17485933
From his Quora:

>What is the purpose of life?

>Man is here to transform earth into heaven (and not into hell). You can start the process, today, by cleaning up your room :)

> Perhaps if we were serious about creating heaven on earth, then it would become eternal.

What I never understood about him is his belief that people transform the earth to heaven. It couldn't be more un-Christian because the apocalypse is inevitable and we should let go of this earth. When he says "I Act As If God Exists" why is he glorifying willpower?

>>17489375
Its the enlargement poison, of structuralism. He is deep in it, even to he tries hard ageist it. Until he lets go of it he will be stuck trying to reform the world instead of leaving that impossible task to God.

>>17486143
Anyone with that much faith in poll results doesn't deserve to be called a scientist.

>>17489375
He's amassed to much knowledge that he knows God exists, but is still afraid to take the leap of faith. Or as some Christians have put it "He's seriously in danger of becoming a Christian"

>>17487374
read mark fisher

>>17488717
She no joke left her husband, after having their baby, for about six months and started dating a pick up artist called Andrew Tate. She's back with her husband now, God knows how he feels about it all.

>>17488997
>look at him immediately and conspicuously ignoring any mkultra allegation~ stuck a nerve didn't i~~

behold, the magnificence of petersonian thought

>>17485933
Every person has a need to follow some core ideology to lead them in life. For most people it's religion and the output of that varies but is generally a net positive. When a person fills that need with some other non-religious ideology such as politics it leads to facism i.e. modern progressive left, China, North Korea.

>>17486143
>This is satans world, Devil influences evil and we are moving at mock speed towards the end times.

Yes, LOOK AROUND YOU!

>>17488705

Imagine being on that kind of stack of meds and not being in your 80s.

What a mess.

>>17487417

Then you are just larping and living inauthentically. Sad

we could never proceed to the noumena

>>17489375
yup Satanist liberal confirmed

>>17485933
atheism was unheard of before mass media and technological oversocialization brainwashing was commonplace. atheism has always been most common in developed nations, where cities and TVs are most prevalent.

>>17489375
this precisely what they called utopian socialism. man-gods, heaven on earth and crystal palaces

>>17485933
just do the Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram every day and you'll make magic real

>>17489272
>I really do not understand where all those atheist come from
Yeah, and it shows.

>>17489645
What an astounding admission of ignorance. It's completely the opposite, he as amassed so much knowledge and yet doesn't want to become 'post-modernist', desperately clinging to values that religious faith has.
It was already Feuerbach that pointed out that god is nothing but projection of the human mind.

>>17489272
underaged are not allowed to post here.
and it comes from the commitment to truth.

>>17489272
>Like why do you want to break down everything.
>just trust the priest bro, and never ask questions bro
>no, no, they won’t abuse the endless power you give them, why would they?

>>17488717
You do know that med is most commonly used to treat cold sores, r-right? Sold sores are herpes and 50% of the population has herpes. Read a fucking book.

>>17490768
>M-my daughter dearest is not a harlot! A-and I’m no cuck! Get away from me, leftist scoundrel!
Go to bed Jordan

>>17490741
Atheism isn't the truth. It's a belief that temporarily became dominant in the west because it helps capitalists makes more money.

>>17490681
>>17490741
>>17490747
Even the greeks had a God for you guys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At%C3%AB
Your God is : ''of mischief, delusion, ruin, and folly.''

Oh no no no; how will atheist ever recover? Pouhahahahahaha

>>17485933
yes But you're speaking as if nihilism is the default non-brainwashed truth state. It is not.

>>17490768
his daughter is a skank bro, she posts lobster lingerie pics for peterson's fanboys

>>17491507
>>17489683
Fair enough, this may not be the most moral behavior, but you could argue she is a strong independent entrepunerial woman succeeding in securing resources and capital for herself.

>>17491264
And I have a word for you.

Gullible

>>17489683
>God knows how he feels about it all
https://youtu.be/w8-cjd5cdIU

>>17491688
aka she's a whore with paypigs

>roll 3 or lower vs 9 3 battles in a row
The battle mechanics in paradicks games are just beyond broken, I guess all my soldiers accidently friendly fired 3 times in a row.

>>17486143
>these people are allowed to vote
And yet he probably thinks democracy is the only way.

>>17491975
You may call her a whore, her behavior of leaving her husband to fuck a PUA guy and strange Russian men may be questionable, posting skimpy pictures on Instagram may not be ladylike, but she is successful and powerful. She is making intelligent smart decisions as a businesswoman. In 2021, the best way to maximize value as a woman is to post sexually proactive pictures and utilize your beauty for financial gain. She is simply intelligent and doing what a smart businesswoman would do.

>>17492091
I don't think even Peterson would support this kind of ethics that's purely based on money/material value.

>>17486263
>An atheist Jew
>atheist
>Jew
pick one

>>17489768
>Imagine being on that kind of stack of meds and not being in your 80s.
.
not everyone one is born perfect anon

>>17492228
Jew is both a religion, but also an ethnicity.
You already know this

>>17485933
This is an idea exclusive to JP, it has been the function of religion for as long as religion has existed. It offers you a moral structure to live your life by, incentivized with eternal life or not, that is undeniably a gift. It is hard to be alone with your thoughts, but when you have a voice that guides you and comforts you, it gets a whole lot less challenging. What's more is it helps you make sure that your fear doesn't control you or hurt those around you.

>>17493214
This isn't an idea exclusive to him, typo

>>17485933
It's not brainwash if you do it yourself.

>>17488458
>man’s central point of argumentation is that you cannot criticise others or put forward your own beliefs unless your life is functional and healthy
>this man turns out to be a drug addicted clinically depressed schizophrenic who does not in fact clean his room
>NNOOOOOO YOU CAN’T JUDGE A MAN BY HIS OWN STANDARDS!
kys

>>17488277
>>mixing a man's profession with his personal life
That is literally what he does with the “cleaned room” mantra, you cannot take Peterson on only his professional life (which is itself much worse than his Redditor fanboys like to claim) because his professional work claims that how you behave personally should impact how others view your professional life. Only taking his professional life is completely pointlessly recursive and leads nowhere

>>17486143
Butterfly posting a BASED evo psychologist for once

>>17485978
If that is the case, why not just kill yourself and anyone else you want to? Serious question.

>>17494046
>>man’s central point of argumentation is that you cannot criticise others or put forward your own beliefs unless your life is functional and healthy
That's not what he says at all. He says you should say what you believe, regardless of what it is, all the fucking time. And he doesn't say you can't critique others, he said you shouldn't waste your time critiquing others when it's not nearly as productive as critiquing yourself.

kys retard

>>17494097
A compound can't just decide it's done oxidizing

>>17494111
>And he doesn't say you can't critique others, he said you shouldn't waste your time critiquing others when it's not nearly as productive as critiquing yourself.
So this would make him a total hypocrite

>>17485933
>Is this really the only alternative?
No, Acid Marxism is better

>>17486009
Correct besides the "its mostly just CHEMICALS MAN" Most people on /lit/ need that advice but everything else is spot on. The 'meaning' of life is just to have a family with children, and support them until they can do it. The religious elements are great and should be studied, but most retards don't have the brain or the time.

>>17485978
>Nihilism is a made up non-issue
No, but it's a fundamentally physiological one, not a psychological one like everyone assumes. A nihilist is someone who is PHYSIOLOGICALLY retarded.

>>17486143
How do you manage to derail every fucking thread? You're an enigma.

>>17486143
Based. NRx is the only way.

>>17489707
Call me crazy, but I don't think that the real
(Voluntary) Descent of Buddha.

>>17489683
Lost all respect for Peterson when his Munchhausen whore daughter appeared on the scene. She will murder him in the end. And if this duo isn't proof to you how sluts need to be kept in their place by a iron will patriarchy i don't know what is.

>>17489707
>bullshit
Peterson tells incels to not to be an incel.

>>17494531
Please elaborate on this I’m interested

>>17495935
she gives me some of these Mayli vibes, you know

>>17496086
>Mayli
Hate to be a coomer but I fucking love that scene.

>>17485933
>Is this really the only alternative?
well if you really need to at least make the religion yourself
Peterson is like the laziest "individualist" I ever seen

not only does he adopt a dead and discredited religion that hates individualism, on top off that he also repeats all talking points that psychology ever made even though this psychopathic science field got completely discredited decades ago and also hates individualism

there was only ever one point where his individualism showed and that was when he started doubting
sadly this only actually started happening when he was close to dying

individualism is not this safe heaven, it is closer to nihilism than anything else, anxiety inducing and depressive
the horror that sits underneath normality is the unknown and that shall be our guiding principle

nothing can be known
nothing is everything

there is nothing cosmic about horror, no matter on what kind of plane it exists (astral, material) or what kind of form it takes (mortal, immortal), it can be killed
there can be no creation without destruction

>>17496099
when you stare into the abyss the abyss stares back, says "I can't be around you, I get anxiety" and leaves

>>17496099
>Nine Inch Nails soundtrack intensifies >along with the accompanying incel rage

>>17491264
if an empire doesn't serve it's people it needs to be burned to the ground
none of the empires in the antique world even qualify since they spread slavery

the emperor has no clothes

>>17489272
progress is hardly possible without conservatism because then it becomes a meaningless endeavor of accelerating into a void
non of the people who advocate monarchism are conservative though nor even close to an actual monarchist, they are fascists
science fascism is accelerated liberalism and accelerates into the void just like Marxism does
the only way to be conservative in a world with unchecked science is to be anti scientific

>>17496386
You’re right, the only way we can progress is to get infected with covid and suffocate to death

>>17488458
It's as he said,you should have your life in order before you try to put the world in order. His life isn't in order so why is he trying to change the world?

>>17488705
>No vegetables required when you're in a vegetative state
4d chess

>>17485933
There are so many people (on here) who thrive like vampires off of the suffering of others, but who don't use the energy gained from their sick exploits to do anything of value. They just rip apart a carcass.

>>17488705
That's the medication she was given by (((doctors))). She dropped off meds after going all meat diet.

>>17486009
Uncertainty arise possibilities which give meaning, You've to be brainlet to be certain about the most fundamental questions thus you're too dumb for your own good.

>>17491094

>>17496685
You could say reinforcing the fact that Peterson is a fraudulent charlatan who couldn't follow his own "rules" is "valuable" because its installing a cultural deterrent against people wasting their time on bad ideas like his.

>>17494097
I don’t kill others because my conscience makes me feel bad if I hurt someone. I don’t kill myself because I’m afraid of pain and dying.

>>17494097
Also why would I kill others or myself if I believe that our existence is of no consequence what so ever? That just sounds like extra work for me.

>>17485933
Honestly it kind of is: I don't really consider it a good thing but people drive themselves insane otherwise.

In the end I just coped by taking comfort in the idea that the faith of my family is real but refuse to accept the passivity of my faith.

>>17497896
Just think about the hard problem of consciousness and read the Bhagavad Gita, for the One's/your sake.

>>17488317
Might as well kill yourself and just stop the electrical impulses in your brain. It's no big deal, just like unplugging a toaster

>>17488458
he was just pointig out the irony that JP "clean your room" catchphrase meant that people should get their life together before rying to change to world

>>17498072
Well it's gonna happen anyway, so why rush it

>>17488705
This bitch had a psychologist for a father, and even he couldn't keep her healthy. I can tell she's just obnoxious as hell in real life.

>>17498494
Because your existence is a nuisance

>>17496095
you're gross

>>17495935
is that a penis she's hiding?

>>17494145
kek, you've had him there

> never had to cling to an absolute degenerate loser like JBP's every word because I have a caring father and my parents love each other
Feels exquisite bros

He helps people and has been successful in that. Really doesn't deserve all the hate. What kind of a fucked up retard did you grow into?

>>17487417
> reddit

>>17487316
>Dying of radiation
Yeah bro don't pop that iodine

>>17499475
this but unironically