/lit/ - Literature

>>17476914
As long as capitalism is standing, his critiques will remain relevant

>>17476918
Anyone could have made those critiques. It's just that a retard like him happened to be the first to write them all down.

bill gates is buying all the fertile land and water reservoirs
amazon is promoting diversity in the work place to discourage unions
big tech is buying up local governments in nevada
I could go on...

>>17476963
Yeah, he went through the time and effort to collect his thoughts and convey them to an audience.
Real geniuses aren’t savants who unlock the secrets of the universe shitting their diapers in a pen, it’s the men who bother to communicate their ideas.

>>17476972
And? Doesn't mean you flathead commies have to start a gay revolution that turns your country into a shithole.
There are better solutions.

>>17476997
Not without a revolution there arent

>>17476918
Fpbp
>>17476963
Cope.

>>17476989
They say he plagiarised some of his work.
He wouldn't have done anything if he hadn't lived off his (bourgeoisie capitalist) friend's money.

>>17477010
If you think you can't achieve your goal through non military means then maybe you need to re-evaluate what it is you really want.

>>17477018
Ok faggot

>>17477029
you dont believe in this sham democracy right?
Wether youre a communist, a nazi or a lolbert we can all agree this government is beyond repair.
How about this?
A soc dem government, with bitcoin as the national currency and with separate land areas for the different races.
There i just set aside all the political differences.

>>17476963
>unironically using "he was just the first to say it" argument to discredit someone
cringe

>>17476914
>Can we just forget about this old fucker?
>posts thread about him

>>17476914
>his critiques of capitalism were correct
people keep saying this. both pro and anti-marxist posters. they never elaborate. I don't think many of them know much about them, and simply take them to be "capitalism bad" or "capitalism bad because social inequality and poverty".
the idea of alienation is somewhat interesting, but in marx hopelessly broad. he applies it to everything. the cause of alienation being the division of labor is unconvincing. his internal contradictions of capitalism, certainly false. his theory of capitalism as inherently exploitative, ie surplus value, completely and obviously wrong.
I'm not saying capitalism is perfect, or that one shouldn't be open to other alternatives. I'm saying that I don't think there's any point in still paying any lip service to this old man.

>>17477256
this poster is 16.

>>17476914
king

fuck capital

>>17476914
>livedadegeneratelifestyle
Irrelevant
>most of his ideas were refuted
Nah
>his masterpiece, communism, is a dismal failure in practice
Communism wasn't his masterpiece, dialectical materialism was.
>only his predictions and critiques of capitalism remain
Yeah and they're correct.

>>17478195
Nope
Ill just drop this here
http://zw3crggtadila2sg.onion/

>>17477256
>with separate land areas for the different races
white people living by themselves is completely unacceptable to modern leftists.

>>17478384
dude do you think a black person or a latino thinks boy i sure wish i were sorrounded by white people?
No they dont.
They do wish they lived in nice houses, drove nice cars, etc...
Only politicians care about that stuff.
I dont know, atleast thats what i think.

>>17478419
the thoughts of the non-whites are irrelevant. they can be easily manipulated however the powers that be want.
I think the average leftist subhuman vermin and the people higher up will do whatever they can to prevent europeans from living by themselves.

>>17477777
checked. op is faggot.

>>17476914
>his masterpiece, communism
lol

>>17476914
Marx is irrelevant already.
Commies are ineffective in the U.S. They spent months protesting and did nothing other than elect the BBT's (big banks and tech) chosen puppet Mr. Joe Whatever.
Conservatives spent one day protesting and took the Capitol. They would have stayed there if Trump had not betrayed them.

Marx is still relevant in third-world countries.

>>17478190
Their main mistake is that they believe the problems of capitalism were created by capitalism. Sheer nonsense.
They seriously believe in pseudo-psychological bullshit (keep in mind that psychology itself is already a pseudo-science, but this is worse) like homo faber vs. animal laborans (to use Arendt's terminology), as if most people hadn't been mere working animals even before capitalism.
Not to mention Engels's depiction of pre-Industrial England. My God. Have you read that?
It's all neoromantic drivel. No wonder Marx and Engels admired Balzac so much. Shitty novelist for shitty intellectchuals.

None of that would have happened if Marx had continued to read Sterne. He would probably become allergic to Hegelian claptrap too. But not all people are smart enough to absorb the lessons of Tristram Shandy's satires, apparently.

Marxists, and historians/sociologists in general have zero understanding of causality. Must be some kind of brain damage.

>>17478487
>Commies are ineffective in the U.S. They spent months protesting and did nothing other than elect the BBT's (big banks and tech) chosen puppet Mr. Joe Whatever.
Ya i know
>>17478450
What youd think people would risk their skin and then sit and listen to some arm chair?

>>17478219
>dialectical materialism

>>17476914
Akshually leninist national socialism was a failure, not orthodox marxism

>>17477019
(((They))), also originality is a meme

>>17477256
Revolution, bourgeoisie, proletariat. Ngl its fucking annoying hearing that, it seems like a huge circlejerk

>>17478384
>>17478419
this. Freedom of association is extremely important in order to have a coherent society, which may sound contradictory or just a remnant of primitive tribal instinct to some. There's a lot more to if people just took the time to think about it somewhat.

>>17478843
it is a hugecircle jerk in the west.
Anyways i dont want to talk too much shit on the clearnet and get bagged by glowies.

I can easily kill every single one of you Marxist sois with my bare hands.

>>17479539
t. 300 pound neckbeard

>>17479539
>I can easily kill every single one of you Marxist sois with my bare hands.

>wow capitalism is so based xD

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>>17477777
checked
very based

>>17476914

Utopic ideals are pure drivel, Marxism is merely one of many.

why so agitated? is he white?

>>17479675
Nice quote, it sums up the belief of socialism nicely

>>17476914
>his masterpiece, communism, is a dismal failure in practice
man you people are fucking retarded

>>17479912
Name one country that doesn't trade with capitalists.

>>17477256
>you dont believe in this sham democracy right?
Democracy is the greatest form of government in the history of the world.

>>17477777
He was one of the first to write it all down and then sell it for money. He wasn't even the first to say it.
>>17477785
To raise awareness that we need to forget about him.

>>17478190
>they never elaborate.
He wrote about monopolies and wages being messed up due to globalisation. Not that people hadn't already pointed it out but that he was the first to draw attention to it.

>>17478195
Nice as hominem loser.
>>17478202
He lived a degenerate lifestyle and treated his kids awfully.
>>17478219
>Nah
Communism, 9/10 times at least, only produces disastrously planned economies and nasty dictators. To say it is a shit idea is meaningless.
>>17478384
If people want to live like that, and if they're not harming anyone, then I say let 'em have it, if they want.

>>17478450
>the thoughts of the non-whites are irrelevant
Not really but okay.
>>17478457
Yikes!
>>17478483
That is his masterpiece. The heckin' good boy utopia that will totally come about after the state "withers away".

>>17478487
>Marx is still relevant in third-world countries.
Famine shouldn't be relevent anywhere.

>>17478629
He was still borrowing ideas for Marx.

>>17478640
>Da Joos
Retard spotted

>>17478948
Say it, I want to hear it.

>>17479631
What's wrong with that?

>>17479647
Just because you hate materialism and consumerism doesn't mean you have to become Marxist communist. Indeed, anyone with a brain in this society has some disdain for consumer.

>>17479659
Crazy that he was a racist too.

>>17479675
BTFO'd two thousand years before he was even born.

>>17479685
>White
American spotted

>>17479912
Communism in nine cases out of ten has only produces disastrously planned economies and nasty dictators.
If you believe in communism, then who is the real retard?

>>17479925
literally all of them, no communist country has ever traded with a capitalist country, to think otherwise is cold war propaganda

>>17480208
this has never happened, the west just can't conceive of a country in which infantile disputes about who gets to use what bathroom etc. haven't divided the population into two neatly arranged 'political' groupings
everyone who was killed by Stalin or Mao deserved it, in sane countries criminals go to prison or are executed, in the west if you're rich enough you can rape a child and get away with it

>>17480196
>>Da Joos
Hi r*ddit

>>17478487
>Conservatives spent one day protesting and took the Capitol. They would have stayed there if Trump had not betrayed them.
You are delusional

>>17480208
>BTFO'd two thousand years before he was even born.
No he wasn't, cope.

He's never been more relevant and he triggers chuds.
Keyed

>>17480783
Back to your discord, tranny.

>>17476914
Marx is gay read Sorel

>>17480640
>everyone who was killed by Stalin or Mao deserved it
Oh fuck off

>>17480682
Karl Marx was a Jewish person you miserable idiot

>>17480774
He was, read the quote from above

>>17480783
He said nothing other people hadn't said 1,000 times before

>>17477256
the left are in
Checkmate by people who used them as pawns againts the working class aka Trump supporters with they needed if they ever wanted to have their glorious revolution also there no really nazis in the West just 15-20 year old edgy kids who are tired of the socjust and were able to notice the anti-white narrative and the people who push it most

as former leftist i find the situation insane and i would love to find out what was exacly the point the left was hijacked or if it was always this way and i was just naive

>>17481386
I think the real turning point was the 60s new left turning left wing attention away from economics and towards sham race baiting and second wave feminism
OWS was the dying gasp of that old left, and where we really saw it get totally derailed by social justice disruptions

>>17481468
The New Left has become a narcissistic Neoliberal movement; really bent on installing a corporate control society.

You can't tell me with a straight face someone who both advocates for worker protection but promoting uncontrolled immigration -- let's be honest: they say they do not propose such, but if you even suggest limiting immigration, it's blasphemy -- are not living in a world of cognitive dissonance: lamenting the world of the worker, but also pushing corporate-interest.

Whatever the Left of the past was, it's long gone. In fact, wanting to bring it back would follow along a Conservative line of thinking since it's just a remnant of the past.

>>17481468
OWS was definitely kill blow

hmm the more i think about it the more i starting to understand why there so much overreaction to so called *nazis* if the old school leftism does not exist anymore and the official doctrine of the left is socjust with does not represent the working class at all then you have massive amout of people who are not represented by anyone (Republicans are not interested to represent them) and the phenomen in Europe is that the working class starting to get represented by so called far right parties someone should maybe ring the bell becouse what is happening now are the consequences of destroying the traditional left it was maybe the bigest mistake these clowns could do
if was leftist i would try my best to use this group of people to get power but how to do it when the official doctrine is socjust and that doctrine is disqusting to these people and any form of old leftism will be rejected becouse of it

>>17481683
Id start by not voting.

>>17476997
The only solutions involve curtailing the power of privately owned capital. That doesn't imply communism, but it's hard to see how a neo-feudal hyper-capitalist dystopia in which super-billionaires rule the world and everyone else is their technologically enslaved and monitored serfs is much worse than the existence of a public commons.

>>17481975
Isn't much worse I mean