/lit/ - Literature

>>17479462
irrelevant, "curing" senescence won't mean you will live forever. You will inevitably die because of the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and there is no evidence that your consciousness will ever exist again. You will live for a finite time and be dead for an infinite time. Any finite time next to an infinite is infinitely small.

>>17479471
just read the wiki article on this and the author, looks great anon. have you read this and Denial of Death? do you recommend both?

>>17479509
>he still believes in Closed Individualism

>>17479547
I essentially believe this image is correct, but it does not remove the terror of losing all your memories. Not OP btw.

>>17479568
did you even read the image? you most certainly are me, anon

>>17479458
Read The Last Messiah it presented the same thesis in an essay several decades before Becker. The prose is aboujstley top-tier.
Straw dogs by John Gray
Anything by Cioran
The Conspiracy Against the Human Race

Ignore anglo bugman bullshit like >>17479471

>>17479547
That's more terrifying to me honestly. It means either Nietzschean eternal return or the major likelihood of being reincarnated as a disgusting insect or one of the far more numerous life forms than humans

>>17479612
Not only that, considering there is most likely other life out there in the universe, you'll most likely become some disgusting alien somewhere on the other side of the universe.

>>17479639
>>17479612
isn't the point of it that you're already everything, even now? because this exists, this is eternal. because whatever eternity of time has passed, this is the "smoothed out" existence that exists because it is what's left. It is what nature has decided to be. also you dumb fucks, flies think humans are foreigners in the same way we do of them.

>>17479639
When you reincarnate as a superchad alien on Planet X, who lives for 10000 and lives in a utopian ppst-scarcity tribal society where every male lives in a harem of 20 females and has brain-melting sex every day, life as a human on Earth will look exactly as appealing as the life of a fly does to us.

>>17479547
You don't need to even prove that image. Ask people who've died and were resurrected. They say that they wake up in an instant after being resurrected as they have no conception of time.

>>17479841
How is it possible that some people 'remember' their pre-reincarnation and most of us don't? Do they have some elite membership card that let's them access a memory bank? If anything those reincarnation accounts make it less convincing.

>>17479547
This is a bunch of horrible argumentation, even for a typical 4chan schizo poster. I failed to find a sentence that was even remotely logical in there.

>>17479864
that image is schopenhuaerian

>>17479868
That image doesn’t accurately reflect any of Schopey’s ideas.

>>17479458
clyde..?

>>17479864
>No argument
Cope

>>17479986
Fine, I’ll give you an argument.
One “end” (death->life) isn’t enough to make the “death” phase finite. It still extends indefinitely, like a ray in mathematics/geometry does. That should suffice to make the rest of the “argument” crumble. It doesn’t logically follow that there’s life on both sides, where did that idea even come from?

>>17480022
Given an infinite amount of time after your death(to outside observers),it is possible that entropy fluctuations reconstruct your brain and bring you back alive. You cannot experience the time passed in between your death(to outside observers)and the reconstruction of your brain(10^10^10^10^10^x years) and this means you will never die in your experience. All possible events that leads to your death(in your experience)will never happen and you will always be there to experience(as non experience is impossible).

>>17480059
Now this is a good schizo comment. It sounds retarded, yet no one’s able to disprove any of it.

>>17480086
>no one’s able to disprove any of it.
Only the finest cope for me

>>17479612
>being reincarnated as a disgusting insect
>you'll most likely become some disgusting alien
It's not you though. Strictly speaking you aren't even you from moment to moment, each one is a new thing

>>17480096
Refute him

>>17480112
It needs to make a prediction first

>>17480117
You are immortal as time is infinite.

>>17480022
Experience is infinite. It is not limited by anything outside it(non experience/death). You can't ever experience"non experience or death ", therefore you must always experience. Death does not exist(non experience)and all that exist is life(experience).

>>17480173
Think of it like a movie. Nothing exists outside the movie. If the movie ever ends, the last frame continues forever. There is no"non movie/or death".
>>17480059
This anon describes how the movie (life) continues.

>>17480108
There is a (you)that remembers all possible (you)s given enough time

>>17480022
Prove the existence of death(to (you)not to outside observers).

>>17480226
We have a general idea of the biological factors that make a human sentient. Those cease to exist after one’s death (as observed by outsiders). Where does that sentience go then?

>>17480125
And what would prove that wrong?

>>17479547
>if you don't exist, then nothing else does

bit self centered isnt it?

>>17480059
no continuity

>>17479547
Neither your feelings
>>17479509
or your feelings
are any more true or relevant. They're just your feelings. We don't know. Nobody in this thread, or the authors of any of the books posted, know. It's fulfilling to think about but never forget you're just bullshitting about something you cannot derive the answer to.

>>17480186
To
>>17480465(you)

>>17479458
>modern
The "problem" was solved by Socrates and Epicurus long before your balls dropped and you couldn't find a mate and get a job, so you wouldn't obsess over things that don't matter at all.

>>17479458
The Worm at the core
Terror Management Theory

>>17479462
the true answer.
it's clear that AT THE VERY LEAST gen z aged people won't die if they can just live past the next few decades.
the denial of this is pessimist yoomozomorercococooomerdoomer circlejerk cope.

>>17480186
>If the movie ever ends, the last frame continues forever.
fucking retard

>>17482026
Explain

>>17479458
>>17479458
I really liked this book but I thought that his solution was kind of a cop-out. Like he endorses a Kierkegaardian view of religion where we accept that there is a greater meaning to life because of some cosmic being while also accepting our own mortality. I mean he spends all this time destroying our coping mechanism only to introduce another one. Like why?

Just Jew psychobabble
>everything you do is because you're afraid of dying
>mfw I want to die all the time and just do my creature comforts because why not?

>>17482837
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA IT'S THE JOOOOOOOOOOOS EVERYTHING IS THE JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS

>>17479862
He's talking about people that died and were revived. Remembering past lives is another can of worms. I don't think memories can outlive the body, but that doesn't mean sentience/awareness cannot.

>>17479462
Even if this would work it still wouldn't solve anything.The pain of partining still remains. Things will still change. The universe will die and we with it. Will just take very long.

>>17482887
Well Ernest Becker is in fact, you know

>>17482837
>kierkegaardian psychology is Jewish
You learn something new everyday.

>>17482538
The idea is that this coping mechanism rests, in fact, on the very thing we're trying to cope with (creatureliness). Also he's not really saying you should not cope, only that cope is inevitable, that most things are cope, that there are different forms of copes that each entails different forms of relationship to reality. So you can think of the Kierkegaardian school of anxiety as a more enlightened and noble form of cope, one that is also less denialist and thus less fragile than others.

>>17483327
>>kierkegaardian psychology is Jewish
Wrong. Kierkegard isn't preaching the shit Becker is. Becker is full psychobabble then ENDORSES Kierkegard and peppers some of his wisdom where he can fit it in.

>>17479471
Retroactively refuted by Nietzsche. Fuck this pussy shit

>>17483325
Someone with an education?

>>17479838
I’ve always wondered if being born into the deva realms in Hinduism/Buddhism is just being born as a highly evolved alien species

>>17483409
>Becker is full psychobabble then ENDORSES Kierkegard
What are the actual differences between Kierkegaard's characteriology and the description Becker gives of that characteriology in his book? Where does Becker preaches something Kierkegaard doesn't and vice verse?

>>17482997
>sentience/awareness
Without memories to give this context it is meaningless

>>17479458
the 'ego' can never accept death.

>>17480059
a system can be infinite without repeating itself retard. also 2nd law still dictates the universe will eventually be cold soup where there will be increasing less chances of your reconstruction. also, the same exact atoms and situation doesn't equate to your specific conscious experience. It just equates to being indistinguishable by an observer. If there is a sophisticated enough AI made that you cannot detect any difference between it and a conscious human, would it be conscious? The self does not exist tangibly and is a physical phenomenon rooted from your brain. "You" will die with it.

>>17483895
> If there is a sophisticated enough AI made that you cannot detect any difference between it and a conscious human, would it be conscious?

No one knows

> The self does not exist tangibly and is a physical phenomenon rooted from your brain. "You" will die with it.

The self is the only thing you have ever head, and there is no evidence it is a physical phenomenon, as it remains unobserved.

>>17484025
damage to the brain damages consciousness. splitting the brain splits consciousness. destroying the brain destroying conscious. the brain is physical, consciousness arises from it.

>>17484101
Consciousness is not your thoughts, memories, or personality. Take all of those away and you're still aware, but without an object for your awareness.

>>17483469
yea thats the part that always irks me. like the kierkegaardian view of faith he endorses is a little retarded because Kierkegaard's view basically just endorses the actions Abraham as a Knight of Faith who's able to transcend his earthly ethics and is willing to slay his son for God....but isn't that what suicide bombers and all the other religious evils of the world are based on? like he just shoots himself in the foot by relying on Kierkegaard for a solution.

was reading the first half and its full of Freudian bullshit.

>>17479458
He tries to normalizes anal sex and scat.

>>17479462
That is a denial of death. Immortalization -- such as wanting to end aging through technological advancement -- is a death-cope.