/lit/ - Literature

Do you hold orgies

>>17459564
there's a muscly lad from the UK so hopefully soon :^)

>>17459573
Quentin??

>>17459583
no Quentin's I'm afraid sorry lad

>>17459555
I could report this immediately for being off-topic like I do for Discords. You get a pass, anon. Have a nice day.

>>17459623
Thanks I suppose, Chadly.

are there girls?

>>17459879
>new goodreads group: neo-/lit/
>There are currently 26 members, all of whom are active /lit/ users
>are there girls?

>>17459879
hope there aren't girls. 75% of the males on this board have seriously destructive obsessions with girls and romance, it would spell the end of the group. seriously, this board is high-functioning /r9k/.

why on god's green earth would I want to associate with 4channer outside of 4chan

>>17459935
>high-functioning

>>17459887
lots of girls browse /lit/

I joined. Now what.

>>17459962
>girls

>>17459974
Women, i mean

>>17459997
>women

>>17459957
a high functioning autist describes an autist who isn't mute and stimming and shit. so yes, /lit/ is high functioning /r9k/ in that people here are at least integrated into society, if only at its margins.

>>17459964
now I let you in and you make friends with the other anons

>>17460011
I think the problems /r9k/ have are well beyond autism

>>17459964
read books, believe it or not.

>>17459964
vote on the poll

>>17460060
with that reading comprehension you may have autism desu

>>17459962
>>17459974
>>17459997
>>17460005
False. There would be way more Y/A threads if women used /lit/.

such a polite boy

>>17460076
30% of 4chan generally is women, at least according to advertiser analytics. they can't all be stacked on /fa/, seems pretty likely to me that /lit/ has a decent proportion.

>>17460076
who do you think talk so much about Lolita and Moby Dick? typical women books

>>17460131
>t. Joycefag

>>17460072
You're probably right.
>>17460122
I used to know a girl who browsed /jp/

>>17460122
How in the world can any analytics tell how much of 4chan is female? It literally sounds like a statistic based on nothing.

>>17460122
The only board that I KNOW loads of women routinely use is /cgl/, which is tiny. 30% sounds really high and even then how many of them are girls and how many are """girls""".

let's see:
https://www.strawpoll.me/42577524

>unironically linking up with other 4chan autistics

>>17460164
They are horrible horrible people over there. People always talk about /b/ being the cesspool of humanity. But I've never met women as disgusting as the bitches on /cgl/ ar

>>17460160
>>17460164
Advertisers have great incentives to know the demographic information of different audiences. Google harvests your information however it can and sells it to third parties. Their estimates of a user's characteristics are more accurate than not. You can see for yourself what they profile you as for advertisers:
https://adssettings.google.com/authenticated
Additionally, the 30% number is from:
https://www.4channel.org/advertise

>>17460213
lol /cgl/ is actually how I got introduced to 4chan. My then-gf posted there and told me about how cool the website was. I didn't give a fuck about cosplay but found my way onto /pol/, /his/, and /lit/. There are SOME women who use 4chan but I would be shocked if they made up 30% of the user base. Hi Vienna, hope you're not a schizo anymore.

>>17460164
a lot of autistic women browse these boards and stick mostly to the etiquette of not announcing their sex as it comes off as attention whoring.

>>17460225
How many kilos is she

>>17460215
My ad personalization has been turned off for a long time. I turned it back on to see what it says, every single category was incorrect.

>>17460215
>>17460226
whew you're right, kind of shocking. ToGTFO feels kind of bad now, though I imagine there's a pretty clear gendered division on most boards. I'd be interested in seeing the breakdown by board.
>>17460231
Last time I saw her she was ~5'6 and ~100lbs. She was pretty small (Chinese).

>>17460215
I have no doubt that 4chan wants to make it look like there is a significant female presence for advertisers. That doesn't explain how they could know whether a male or female is using the site.

>>17460251
Not that surprising. Tons of women like anime. One time a girl in high school was showing me stuff on her phone and she accidentally swiped into her hentai. It was some sick shit too

>>17460251
>4chan says it, so it must be true

You stupid, dude.

>>17460267
well, like I said, I bet a good chunk of that 30% is... """women""".

A GREAT DAY FOR NEO-/LIT/

>>17460293
Based

do you guys only read translations?

>>17460293
Holy fucking shit.

no one i know can ever know my username

>>17460306
afaik it's mostly Anglos but I do know of a French guy, an Iranian, and a few Spaniards. You could always read the original text if you happen to be Russian or whatever idc.

>>17460293
Is it really him? I’ve seen anons pretend to be him on here.

ok let me in

>>17460387
Yes it's him. Be cool, bros. I'm gr friends with forest anon, maybe he'll join too. neo-/lit is very rapidly becoming dangerous.
>>17460392
give me your name, bud

>>17460401
keller

>>17460401
Wow.

>>17460251
Built for long cephalopod tentacles

Wasn't there already a new /lit/ group?

>>17460488
I made this one a couple of weeks. I think there are one or two other /lit/ groups but they looked dead (no posts for several months or years).

>>17460306
were a pleb board full of monolingual anglos

>>17460553
Maybe the muttification of America will make bilingualism more common.

>>17459555
just requested, lemme in. My name is Mint.

>>17460693
cute name

>>17460698
ty I am cute.

>>17460584
English is unironically the second language here. I tried to go to the ER for stitches and I had to do and interpretive dance for the chinese speaking door guard. Have had many similar experiences but with spanish speaking mexicans

>>17460387

He is on here for sure, his Facebook page for Horror's Call has Sneed jokes on it and his family are liking them which I find hilarious and endearing.

>>17460741
>tfw your family will never support your militantly autistic endeavours

>>17460741
>His friends and family
I don't think so. One them is another writer. I find that unlikely. It seems that these are just random people who read his books.

>>17460741
hi gardner

>>17461218
I love him :)

>>17461218
kek wtf is this lmao

>>17461218

>>17461552

>>17461552
>>17461575
I'm thinking heckn based

>>17460164
/Co/ has a lot of girls

Im in this group already :) Add me as friends bros

https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/127872434-jasper

>>17460060
True. Nobody on /lit/ has livestreamed themselves blowing their own brains all over the wall in a livestream lol.

>>17462195
egh

Group profile pic reeks coomer simp. I'd only consider if it changes.

>>17460215
The Google profiling is worryingly accurate save for the assumption that I'm a homeowner, something that would seem quite rare for my supposed age range (18-24). Information must be gathered from youtube data because I use DuckDuckGo exclusively for searches, as well as Brave browser instead of chrome.
Even Google knows that I'm hopelessly single.

>>17462805
Use youtube vanced

>>17459555
How did you all agree on reading such random shit? I'm talking about the last two books, not Tolstoy.

>>17462866

The whole reason I come to /lit/ is to discover random shit.

>>17462951
Same

>>17459555
>not nu-/lit/
ngmi

>>17459555
Just created an account.

Let's see how it goes...

Do we need to give our names?
Mine is Cide Hamete.

>>17463692
We need you real name to add you. Address too.

>>17462805
Isn't it mostly cookie cutter? I got things like Apple and xbox even though I don't care for those brands and will probably never buy anything from them. Seems to me like they just figure out your gender and age range (18-44 years for me, nice confidence interval guys) plus some common youtube search pattern and add the most common center of interest for that demographics. I bet even I could come up with more accurate profiling given serious investment.

>>17460401
>I'm gr friends with forest anon, maybe he'll join too.
he hasnt posted a video in a while and i havent seen a thread about him in a long while either.
Is there any update or news on him I missed?

>>17463732
accept me. my profile pic is a cat and my social security no. is 873-45-5642

>>17459555
let me in already ye faggets

>>17464018
It’s winter so he probably scurried off somewhere else for a while.

If F. Gardner is in the group can we read one of his books?

&amp has entered the chat.
add me or whatever /lampmagazine
never used goodreads before maybe this will be rewarding and educational.

>>17464826
I'm down. I'd be interested to see what the actual content is in those books.

>>17459555
I want to read!

>F. Gardner
>Forest Anon
>&amp magazine
15 scillings to whomever gets paperbackdreams involved

Summoning Frater and Butters

>>17465179
>Butters

>>17465179
stop.

>>17464826
I vote Call of the Crocodile. I want to finally know what the twist is.

>>17465382
Looks The Leopard is gonna win but we could read a Horror's Call book at the same time as the Alienist because they're both ~100 pages. Otherwise I'll put it on the next poll.

>>17465418
That sounds reasonable.

>>17461552
>loveable covers
>will never run out of sequels
I'm screaming in laughter

>>17461552
>>17461575
>>17462116

I wonder if Gardener is aware that he's become a meme. The real one doesn't seem to be obnoxious like his shills.

>>17465717
I think he's simply a lovely young man who has fun writing books.

>>17465663
I wonder how many he's going to make. They're all different angles of the same story, right? He could conceivably never run out of perspectives.

>>17465179
>Frater

I would but I don’t want to bother the other anons by being even more obnoxious than I already am, besides my taste is pretty idiosyncratic and I don’t really use goodreads, I just mark down in my notes what I’ve read and my thoughts about it and even then, not always.

>>17465826
They’re different stories from what I read. They just have a couple of the same characters.

>>17465912
I read arcade and cherokee, to be specific. There was a thread on here saying those were the best so I only read those ones so far.

>>17465179
I wish butters had a goodreads.

>>17466645
Well I bet she does. It would be an interesting case study.

DOES IT CONTAIN A CHAIMA GF?

>>17466659
we know what this trip reads. anarcho stuff, actually good children's literature, and classic novels written by females. there are a million similar profiles, although American liberalism is more widespread than oldschool anarchism.

>>17466675
>CHAIMA

>>17466717
she reccd "The Art of Not Being Governed" yesterday and now I'm skeptical of reading it.

>>17466729
Butterfly should have no power over any man. She would not want that. She desires only chaos.

>>17459555
>reading on the train

Is there anything more pretentious, more attention-seeking?

>>17459555
I made a profile on this shit, but I won't bother updating it. I'm getting into it mainly to discuss books.

>>17459945
this

>>17466836
I tried reading at school a couple of times.
>Two girls walk by the bench I am sitting
>One of them sits in the bench to my left
>The other one sits besides me

>Mom's spaghetti

>glance at her
>start sweating
>I am not even reading anymore
>started flipping the pages faster and faster
>I even struggle to flip them correctly
>close book and walk away without making aye contact

>>17466908
To observe the retarded mind.

>>17466836
Well depends on the kind of train. If you're on a subway for 15 minutes then it's kind of weird, but there's nothing wrong with reading on a more long-haul train. I would read on the bus/in the car but i get carsick.

i joined you have to add me as a friend now

Join it mfs

>>17466926
>not mekin aye contact
oi mate, ye could of said aye. jist tae be fockin polite, ken.

>>17467103
why? mod deletes posts

>>17460215
>>17460122
Girls are on other boards you dumb newfag stop posting

>>17467124
what I didn't delete anything

My mom said Ican join plz add me

>>17467251
you are allowed

I'm a girl (male) and I joined the group

>>17467106
English is hard

>>17467503

>>17464810
He replied to your post on YouTube
>Nope, I'm here forever.

>>17468366
>tfw forestanon never replies to you

>>17464018
>>17464810

>>17469376
Based forest anon, hope you're doing well mate!

>>17469376
ALIVE! Isn't it snowy in NorCal(?)

>>17469376
wishing u well forestanon

For anyone who wants to vote on the next group read you've got 25 minutes until it closes!

>>17468366
>>17469376
Chad

>>17469376
How can one man be so based?
>Fucks off to the woods
>Squats in the beautiful wilderness
>Befriends the trees and birds
>Reads and works all day
>Posts inspirational YouTube videos
>Gives well-grounded advice
>...
>still shitposts on /lit
I will always respect him.

>>17460553
>were a pleb board full of monolingual anglos

>>17469376
based forestbro

ah foda-se, vou voltar pra faculdade daqui a pouco, nem quero ficar perdendo tempo com chan.

>>17459555
Nice try CIA..you'll never get my secret book list

>>17459623
This is the most beta post I’ve seen in a long time.

>>17460122
I dated a girl at uni who used to browse/post on fit. She wasn't an autist either, pretty attractive alt type of girl. I also have a female friend who browses /v/. It's more common than you'd think.

>>17459879
>Goodreads

>>17470731
I've seen a lot of females post on /lit/. I haven't been on any other boards but I'm willing to bet a lot of them are here.

>>17471445
There aren't. They're less than 5%.

>>17471710
I talk to so many anons here with feminine writing styles, I could've sworn there's more than that. It usually becomes really obvious when I'm arguing with them. They either try to passively reduce the level of aggression in the discussion (make it more civil), or they become extremely passive aggressive in an attempt to thwart me without resorting to direct attacks like men usually do

Do I have to have a goodreads account to participate or do you plan to make regular threads?

What's the first book?

What are the first deadlines?

>>17471710
I've been here for a few years but long enough to see a lot of them post timestamps. I'm not sure where you get that idea.

>>17460401
based Faggot Gaydner

>>17471715
Being nice isn't exclusive to females.

>>17472019
Zero IQ post. Stop doing this.

>>17472033
I will once you stop mean posting!

>>17469376
This looks photoshopped patriots...

>>17472113
clearly

>>17459879
there are now! come simp with me!

>>17459555
Why would i want to have anything to do with neo-/lit/?

>>17470678
READ SIEGE

>>17471741
>Do I have to have a goodreads account to participate or do you plan to make regular threads?
Yes. I don't think jannies with approve of an /nlg/. There will probably be more threads in the future but they won't be a regular thing. Some people really dislike the GR forum layout so I reluctantly made a discord as well. So long as both are kept blueboard-esque there shouldn't be any issues.
>What's the first book?
We voted on reading The Alienist by Machado de Assis for our second book.
>What are the first deadlines?
Roughly weekly with more time being given for longer books. We're going to read The Leopard by Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa next which will probably take 10-14 days.
>>17472259
If you have no interest in a weekly book club with other anons then you probably wouldn't like neo-/lit/.

>>17472113
>>17472223
are you that retarded or just being ironic

>>17460215
>Middle aged Muslim woman
Hmmm
Wow Google you really nailed it on the head there
But can I use this on my major application for the diversity points?

>>17469376
BASED FOREST NIGGA

>>17473859
he in tha treez an shiet

>>17472054
>mean posting

>>17466926
literally me, i just ignore their existance and refuse to turn my gaze into the region of space they occupy.
it imagine it looks like im some sort of extreme schizo to others, but from my POV, im scared shitless
>"This is a literature board"
uuuh... books for this feel?

>>17476245

This sounds weird but is a good trick to overcome this fear - force yourself to talk to random people whenever you’re in an elevator or randomly have some excuse to. Just make up shit. Compliment people’s dogs. Try to crack jokes. It’s weird at first but if you do it somewhere you don’t live you never see them again. Eventually you get good at random casual banter. Then just do it when women sit next to you.

>>17469376
Can I get a quick rundown on this guy?

>>17477373
See: >>17469657

>>17477373
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnPtGAdJLT7K93dEbW0OQxA

>stupid sadgirl onlyfans pfp
no thanks

>>17459555
I am M I (S), would love to join

>>17466926
>>17476245
This was me when I was younger, and any time anyone said exposure therapy works or it gets better over time I literally thought they were insane or at least cruel for not listening to me. I knew there was something wrong with me. Now I don't give a fuck, I'm still a shy sensitive person and autistic, but I am sociable and outgoing if I need to be. Even fine with public speaking if I can prepare and I care about what I'm talking about. Women are the least intimidating things in the world, I can't believe I ever gave a shit what they think of me.

Life just isn't worth wasting by being scared of minor social interactions. As you age you will realize this. You honestly just stop caring because you are busy with your own things. When I try to remember how I used to be frightened of screwing up and making normies laugh at me I can't even make sense of it. Who cares what normies think?

Also women get less scary over time for two reasons. One, you become more of a man and realize they don't have anything similar, so while you suddenly feel like an adult they still seem like children to you and you realize they can't be intimidating. Two, part of the reason they are so intimidating is that a man in his 20s is always fighting an uphill battle to get the respect of any woman in her 20s. Women in their 20s are designed to look at men in their age range as beneath them. Sensitive young men don't have anything to balance this, so they think it's simply objective reality, and they always feel off kilter with women and on the verge of "fucking up." Again once you get older you realize women are just doing their woman thing, and not only is it not a threat to you as long as you are a man with your own life goals and substance, it is actually pretty limited.

I really think a lot of comfort comes with age. Being a young man fucking sucks dick. You have no innate worth, everyone treats you like you're disposable, women treat you like you have one shot to impress them and you should be grateful for it but also that makes you a beta which means you've already failed your shot, which is your fault so fuck you entitled incel, etc. Fellow men either ignore you or they will backstab you and climb over your corpse to impress a woman. I think in olden times, a lot of your worth as a man came from your career, your community and family, women didn't just look at you now but looked into your future and looked for potential signs you're a good man, not just signs you can excite them today.

The worst is being a sensitive autistic guy. Even when you do learn to cope and gain a sense of self that can shield you from normie bullshit, it will still hurt you when people are callous or hate you for being slightly weird. So imagine how bad it is when you're still young, and you have sensitive autism on top of that.

We need more social spaces where sensitive autist guys can chill and learn they have value. And worth doesn't come from normie/roast approval.

>>17477725
She's not sad, she's vengeful. Russianbros know.

>>17477757
thanks for that writeup, a lot of that resonated with my honestly, especially the part of being 20 and feeling pathetic around girls my age...

i was always a massive omega around girls, but i think 4chan really made it worse. in the past i was very shy and indecisive. now i am shy, indecisive, and i hate myself. One spends weeks, months, years on 4chan reading about Tinder, accounts of casual sex, all the sexual conquests people half my age go through, and i just sort of collapse. i just _know_ im the bottom 99.9th percentile of males.

So i end up wondering, why even bother? if there was a line of 1000 randomly chosen men, she would chose every single one before me. i guess i blackpilled myself at a really bad time.
and i imagine, these people statistically exist in every girls life. every girl will know a guy whos better than me in every parameter. i know that, and when she first looks at me, i _know_ she can tell im a massive weirdo. and she probably knows that i know that she knows that i know, too. we both know we're just pretending: i, to give myself a shred of hope; she, to give me the opportunity to atleast save face.

i guess, the natural question is this: why am i so concerned with girls, if i know they can't bring me joy? i think the reason is that im looking for self worth, and i can't find any other measure of worth that i believe in, other than that of a man's capacity to find a girl.

A thought excercise:

A technical mind is a measure of worth? but i know that's not true. i work as a code monkey, and i'm the same sucker as everyone else - i clock in every day, take my median salary, and pay taxes. The real winner is my manager, or his manager - neither know a shred of software. hence intelligence, smarts, or technical aptitude does not neccesarily carry worth.

A sympathetic mind is a measure of worth? totally false, they always get pushed to the side when the going gets tough. the guys who fuck them over are the ones getting the last laugh, and ultimately the respect. therefore sympathy in a man is worthless.

A just/fair mind? also not true, these guys always lose. always. might makes right.

and finally i'm left with the only option: the only measure of a mans worth (that i can convince myself in its validity), is his ability to attract a mate. he who has a mate, is he who can defend his conquest. women only agree to men who are strong and assertive. sure enough, if youre intimidating, you don't have to prove anything. you don't need to be smart (a cope for being physically weak) or law-abiding, or fair (again - copes for being incapable of exerting your own will on the world, and the reason you can't exert your will is because you can't intimidate anyone.)

so i end up in /r9k/-tier blackpill-land every time i think about the subject. I don't want girls, i want self worth. but I cannot find (or rather, convince myself of the validity of) a measure of self worth other than that of my ability to attract a girl.

>>17471710
keep telling yourself that ;)

What's F. Gardner like?

>>17477373
There isn't really a way to QRD forestanon but ill try. He was a /lit/ anon until the site banned non static ips. Basically innawoods hobo who built a shack and started living in the forest befriending the wildlife a few years ago. The whole story became a lot crazier than any of us probably ever thought and his videos are usually fairly long but he is a hidden gem of Youtube.

>>17478446
I see. Thank you for educating me, anon.

>>17478152
The black pill/PUA shit is so destructive man, don't get addicted to that or let it dominate your life. Honestly the dating game is all over the place right now, I have a dirty filthy retard friend who regularly gets weeb pussy from twitter and then I have a smart good looking professional friend who somehow manages to be an incel, and then I know tons of women who are such casual whores that it frankly put me off dating completely before I lucked into a stable relationship with a nonwhore. We are in the worst thot epidemic in history, yet tradwife bitches and TERFs sick of the thots are creating pockets of dateworthy women so it's paradoxically a decent time to find a girl, in certain ways.

But none of that matters next to the fact that you have created a narrative in your head that ties your self worth to validation from random roasties. You are playing a dangerous game when you do shit like picture yourself on a scale or graph of 1000 abstract men and try to quantify why a woman would reject you. I am not a normie, trust me, I've been as blackpilled as you are now, hell I still am in certain ways, but I can tell you that it just isn't that simple, nor is it that cold, abstract, or quantitative. You are a qualitative human being and you are apparently articulate and thoughtful which already tells me you have something a lot of normie guys don't.

You are right that you are living in a cold cynical hell that wants to subject you to these utilitarian logics that you see with your pessimistic goggles on. But that is not reality, that's the ugly state of things right now, it's a system that is trying to make you feel this way and to make you think it's the only reality so you will play by its rules, and lower yourself to the level it wants you to be at. That ugly system of naked technical power wants the world to be an ugly place where only naked power wins, and to do that it needs to create an underclass of people who are solely defined by their naked lack of power.

Your self worth cannot come from inside that system. Obviously you have to accommodate the system to live and eat, currently. But cultivate things outside the system. Try reading Ernst Junger's The Forest Path, or Evola's Eleven Points of Orientation. Not for right wing memery but because they are all about creating a seed within you that isn't controlled by the system, and also going around and planting seeds elsewhere, and finding seeds that are already growing so you can cultivate them and help them grow. Eventually this ugly system will be destroyed, but you have to fight back against it by refusing to accept its twisted logic. You are more than some stupid jungle ape competing for pussy, life is more than this hedonistic pussy game or the eternal 1990s office work and sitcom Matrix culture they're trying to force on us.

Go experience something they utterly fail to control and remember what you are. And fix the world so no future yous don't have to deal with this.

>>17477757
This in an exceptionally accurate description of my experience as well.

>>17478152
I hope you read this brother. I was once there too. What helped me tremendously was making friends with outgoing men, they were all weird too but hyper extroverted. I also spent a lot of time with an older cousin who was a legit chad with the ladies. I learn so much and got such great experiences watching them and interacting with them with other people and women. At 20 I could only creep girls out and could not hold a conversation with them. By 30 I stopped caring at all and could just talk to anyone, anytime, about almost anything. It took years of practice but now I have almost zero fear or hesitation in talking to women even the beautiful ones way out of my league. And I don't just talk to these women, I make them laugh and date them.

The other thing that really helped me was getting serious about the gym and fitness and getting in great shape. I am still dyel with clothes on but not without or upon close inspection. I look fit though and it gives me great confidence knowing that I'm in better shape than 99% of the other males out there. I keep active, run and do a modified Starting Strength. Starting Strength is legit. I've never got so strong or put on more muscle faster, by a very wide margin.

The one area I fucked up and am still working on is character and career. I'm getting it together now but I fucked around, bounced around, moved around for far too long and never for good reasons.

You need to determine what will give you meaning and purpose and build and create those things. It has taken me a very long time to grow up and become a man, which I don't consider myself yet, but the closer I get there the easier things get.

>>17478152
This anon is a brother. To the other anon, take this anon's advice, it's verifiably true. Good luck to both of you

This post
>>17479236
was meant for
>>17479032

Can you post the discord please
I'll roll along with the leopard next week

>>17479221
i appreciate your advice, especially about confidence with talking. To be honest though, browsing /fit/ was one of the things that kind of sent me down that blackpill path. (I appreciate you never implied /fit/, but your mention of SS, and the narrative you went down made me imagine you are likely familiar with that collective.)

in the beginning i told myself it was funny, and i'm just browsing /fit/ for shitposts, memes, and a bit of real advice, but the reality is that after a while, you begin to see how people's success was very closely tied to their physical traits. Someone would mention a life achievement, and somewhere not-too-far-away would be their height and weight. these two crucial pieces of info are the core of every post. i got the impression that every goal, every life step, is principally enabled by god-given physical traits. infact it was on that site i'd built my "ideas" i posted earlier. after a while i would scroll with fear and anticipation to see this pattern appear again, so that i could confirm my world view that the only men of opportunity and worth are those with "good genes". i spent about a year on that board before i realized i needed to cut it out fully.

Consequently I don't subscribe to the self-improvement mindset anymore, as i cannot see how it gives me a "way out". A thought excercise: lets say i go to the gym, and acquire all attractive physical traits. then some girl might take interest in me. the (implied) reason she would take interest is because i, in comparison to "that loser over there" (lets call him X), am distinctly of higher value to her, namely ability of intimidation, and will.

ofcourse it goes without saying, that in the current universe i am person X. in this hypothetical universe, i'm the greek statue. so i ask: what has changed? I am still stuck in exactly the same world. i've swapped out the disdain of a woman for her admiration. But the woman's values haven't changed. i don't want her hollow admiration or blind disdain, i want her to value me for who i am. i would like her to see the years i've spent working as an engineer, the culture i come from, and my self restraint (although maybe that's just cowardice masquerading as such - anyway that's a separate discussion.)

And ofcourse finally, the thought excercise _really_is_ a thought excercise: Believe me, i could never be in better shape than 99% of men. not with a $1M dollar elite personal trainer from Ancient Sparta. its just not realistic, even accounting for my pessimistic self-anaylsis.

>>17479032
thanks for taking your time to share your thoughts. i'm not purposefully dragging out the conversation, infact what you said is all that needed to be said i think. its just that ive been thinking about these things for years, and this is the first time ive ever written down my thoughts. and now that i've done it, i want to keep writing...

>>17478298
He seems cool. He was talking a lot about theology.

>>17480996
I've seen him post before and I know the reason for this. Gardner apparently went to a seminary
>>17460401
I was in a thread with Forest anon before. Nice to see he's doing well. Has the pandemic changed things at all for him?

>>17478298
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>>17481051
>Gardner apparently went to a seminary
Yea he said he's a practising traditional Catholic in the DC, surprisingly. He's got lots of interesting theological insights.

>>17477757
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>>17480938
nice...

>>17481051
>Has the pandemic changed things at all for him?
Probably not. It's likely that he hasn't ever worn or owned a face mask through the whole pandemic. In the couple times he's mentioned it he seems to feel bad for the general population so It probably hasn't effected his own lifestyle much at all.

My goodreads is pretty barren. Mind id I join just to pick up the occasional recommendation and basically don't exist?

>>17483444
you can do as you like