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>>17470514
Orphan Black - The Next Chapter Season 1
Season 1 narrated by Tatiana Maslany and written by Malka Older (showrunner), Madeline Ashby, Mishell Baker, Heli Kennedy, E.C. Myers, and Lindsay Smith.

I had seen this was to be released by Serial Box a couple years ago, but I didn't get around to starting their free trial until now. I enjoyed the show, so I was interested to see how it would continue. I believe this is the first time I've finished a book that was a direct continuation of an existing property. Although this was made to be an audiobook, the text was provided so I read it instead. My venture into audiobooks was a failure. I copied the text and put it on my ereader, since it didn't have any copy protection.
As this is a direct continuation of a five season TV show, reading this without watching the show would be like watching only season six. That's possible to do, but I don't know why anyone would to do it. At first I was wary of it because it starts with a new character, but overall this is an ensemble work, more so than the show, and I found myself enjoying it around as much as the show.
These serial box originals, I'll be trying a few others, were produced in a similar way to a TV series. Older is the showrunner responsible for maintaining a consistent style among the authors who write a chapter by themselves. I'm probably not one to notice it much, but there didn't seem to be a significant amount of difference between the chapters despite being written by different authors.
The main problems were that the antagonists were a bit too much of a caricature and a few times it was obvious that some parts were explicitly for a different demographic, but that didn't matter. Some parts seemed to be included for no other reason than to please fans of the series, as their inclusion wasn't necessary in any way, but it pleased me anyway.
There's apparently a season 2 that will eventually be released and when it is, I'll be reading it. I was pleasantly surprised by how relatively well this went for me. Initially I thought about rating 3.5, but since the show ended 3.5 or so years ago, it turns out that I also wanted more of it than I did thought I did, so 4 it was.
Rating: 4/5

>>17470514
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>>17470514
Fuck this. Read Dostoyevsky

>>17470557

Thanks anon. Its my first time hosting the general.

>I think Bakker sucks
>WELL SANDERSON SUCKS AND YOU'RE A FAGGOT
>you're literally the only person who ever talks about Sanderson
>DOES IT DISTURB YOU SANDERSOY HAVE YOU SEEN THIS IMAGE I MISTAKE FOR A MEME IN THE LAST 24 HOURS
>you're such a brain touched retard
>YOU LIKE TERRIBLE PROSE AND YA BOOKS FAGGOT *reeeeee's eternally*
Can we just let it 404 now?

>>17470514
>Will this thread devolve into bakker/sanderson shitposting filled to the brim with Wojack shit?

>>17470609

Talking about Bakker or Sanderson is therefore FORBIDDEN from the general.

>>17470621
Thanks Doc.

Yo is this any good?

>>17470514
This is unironically the best fantasy novel off all time. I can't think of a book that has been more cleverly written since the days of Tolkein, and even the entire collective works of his career don't even equate to a single chapter of this absolute beast. I dare you. I FUCKING dare you to find one other book that comes close to matching it. Go ahead I'll wait.

Read Bakker

>>17470690
I don't remember this one, and I read a fair few goosebumps in my day. That is probably one of the more genuinely creepy coverarts though.

I started another WH40k book, and I'm enjoying it.

You can't stop me.

>>17470912
No. Stop reading books I don’t read.

>>17470922

Hey guys. Can you recommend me good books that are also good audiobooks. I’m audiocuck. Damn Wheel of Time was good.

Opinions on Seth Dickinson

>>17470935
just skip the ones with female narrators, generally professional audiobooks are good

I forgot how fun Traveler's Gate was. I think I am finally nearing the end of House of Blades. Alin is chuuni as fuck.

>>17470631
>womameme

>>17470912
im a 40k book expert want any advice

thoughts ?

>>17471127
im thinking pseud

>>17470952
Suck Dickinbum

Finished wheel of time last month then read through the mistborn series. First mistborn was really good I though, rest was garbage but tolerable. The stormlight series, I'm on the 2nd book and its pretty garbage too. Probably going to stop reading Sanderson stuff. Figured that out too late

>>17471403
Read Bakker

>>17471028
not him but explain to me why is the eisenhorn triology considered good

what i got out of it is that it sucked, half of it was mindless action scenes i didn't care about because i was pretty sure who was going to die and who wouldn't, and the other half was filler, either with boring exposition or even more boring dialogue. the arc of him turning kinda evil by choosing to use the daemon for his purposes and so on didn't have any weight on it, the plot always bends to make him to do exactly that and in any case he still wins at the end (he is an annoying gary stu all throughout the books) making the point moot.

i'm kinda exaggerating, i didn't hate it or anything but i think overall it's pretty weak and kinda boring and tedious, the story didn't engage me at all. and i was told it's the best option to get into the 40k universe

Hey, that's Karak Kadrin!
I just played a game of WHTW2 on that, but that's not lit related

Sweet Sejenus it felt good to reach the point where Akka teaches Kellhus his first Cant. The suspense had been building and building...

>>17470690
dude holy fuck I remember loving this, no memory of what its about now

Why are slow writers always fat fucks?

I am incredibly sorry /sffg/. I did it.
I beget bakkerposting when I started re-reading it a few months ago.

>>17470631
Looks like Griffith lol

>>17470935
WoTards get out

How do you get into chinkshit webnovels?

>>17471821
You don’t.

>>17471800
It was actually me who started the Bakker flood
And I’m definitely not sorry

>>17471829
You people made me read this and I’m glad about it.

>>17471821
Read them?

>Feed them?.... Proyas, what *else* would I have you do..?

>>17471829
Lies. You are simply a false prophet and probably a ciphrang.

>>17471829
>It was actually me
>Implying one person did this

>>17471516
>he still wins in the end

uh not really, he's a broken man, physically a mentally, being hunted by his own people.

But yeah that's about as good as 40k gets, the first heretic is good though.

>>17470935
Consider Phlebas by Ian M Banks. dude knows how to space opera. Almost had Amazon make a series of this novel, thank Goodness they cancelled it.

>>17471795
They're not. Sanderson is fat.

>>17472304

>>17472109
>uh not really, he's a broken man, physically a mentally, being hunted by his own people.
i don't recall exactly but isn't there a kind of epilogue describing the aftermath of the main surviving characters? i got the impression from that that ends up living years after the events, doing fine

i will mention a part i enjoyed very much, which is one of the self-contained episodes that divide each book or chapter or something, and it was basically a cool short story about eisenhorn investigating a cult of some sort. i don't really remember exactly but these were basically short stories about him doing his regular job, just small tasks without the grandiose scale that the main plot had. these were the only parts of the books i liked

Is there any good Nonmen art?

>>17472699
Ishterebinth is one of my very favorite sequences in the series. So beautiful and tragic.

>>17472148
Not a contradiction.

From "all slow writers are fat" does not follow that "all fat writers are slow".

>>17472850
CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION

>>17472852
No causation was implied.

books in which I, the reader, and my life, is okay, even after I put the book down?

>>17471759
enjoy anon. I, as well as many here, unironically love Bakker.

I am slowly finishing KSR's Ministry for the Future. It's pretty good but my guy cannot write characters, though we all knew that after reading the Mars books.

>>17472919
earthsea series by leguin

>>17472935
I already read that..

Where do you anons find new books to read? It seems that outside these threads and a few other places, if you ask for recommendations you get bombarded with "here's a list of awesome female authors!" or "here some really progressive fantasy!". Like fuck off you cunts I just want to read some decent books, not worry myself over retarded identity politics. Maybe I should just take the chinkpill.

Just finished Blindsight. Is the other book worth reading?

>>17472965
>if you ask for recommendations you get bombarded with "here's a list of awesome female authors!" or "here some really progressive fantasy!"
The only places that do that are Goodreads and Reddit. If you actually enjoy reading then you should be staying far away from these two.

>>17472965
Anon you're either full of shit or for some reason went to a forum dedicated to feminist literature.

>>17472965
this place and r*ddit's printsf subreddit are the only two places I go to when I'm interesting in recommendations.

>>17472986
Yes

Should I read Cradle? I hear it's just discount chinkshit. But I have nothing else to read right now.

>>17473006
Okay.

>>17470935
Malazan audio books are fine. There is a switch of narrator in the middle of it but it's actually for the best

>read memory sorrow and thorn
>protagonists love interest cucks him and then rubs it in his face
>they end up together anyway
Who thought the was a good idea? Are there any fantasy protagonist who don't just let the world shit on them because they're good people? Like a character can be a good and heroic persons but that doesn't man they have to accept and forgive everything.

>>17472986
Yeah definitely, but be warned it doesn't really resolve anything from the end of Blindsight and actually leaves you with even more unresolved.

>>17473112
It's been while since I read that but wasn't she blackmailed into fucking that guy? And she only bragged about it because she wanted the protagonist to ditch her because she felt she didn't deserve him anymore. The entire thing was retarded and forced but you're leaving out a lot of context.

>>17473018
>Should I read Cradle? I hear it's just discount chinkshit. But I have nothing else to read right now.
I enjoy it more than actual chinkshit which I always grow tired of because of the (lack of good) characters. It is quite young adultish though if that makes sense.

holy shit bakkers books are good, after them you realise how cringe modern (+1990) fantasy mostly is with its trend toward character driven resident sleeper shit

redpill me on bakker

>>17473307
Just go to goodreads and check the two and three star reviews on The Darkness That Comes Before. It will give you a hint

>>17472840
>>17472699
Is there any art depicting the different human ethnicities in the second apocalypse?

>>17473360
I have some coming for you soon :)
An illustration of various races of the Great Ordeal.

>>17473382
Base, base, based.

Truth shines.

>>17473018
It's shit, which is appropriate for the genre, but still shit. I'd put it upper middle in terms of xiaxia overall, but I personally couldn't stand it since in addition to your standard chink-jank of endless boring cultivation, meaningless petty rivalries, and ludicrously convenient happenstance, it's ALSO got your standard YA modern lit jank like painfully awkward teen romance, constant "witty" quips, and """""humorous""""" characters.

Have you read Reverend Insanity and Lord of the Mysteries, the only two ACTUALLY GOOD xiaxias? How the new works by the same authors, Infinite Bloodcore(only 57 chapters translated) and Embers ad Infinitum(only 105 chapters translated)?

>>17473419
>like painfully awkward teen romance,
Well shit, I was hoping it didn't have this.

>>17471363
Thanks for your valuable input

Is there any bigger money making strategy than writing YA dystopian novels? Or did those go out of style?

>>17473542
YA will never go out of style.

For me, it's how millions of grown-ass adult women go so far out of their way to gloat about how their favorite book series is a children's fantasy story: HP. It's not even good fantasy either.
Men do the same thing with Star Wars.

>>17473112
>protagonists love interest cucks him and then rubs it in his face
based, I wish this happened more often. you retarded purityfags can go fuck off back to /a/.

>>17473510
Not every author can be redpilled on women like Bakker.

>Anglos pretending they know how to pronounce
>ä
>ü
>ö
>â
>û
>î

Please, stop embarrassing yourselves. I saw someone attempting to know how to pronounce these, and nothing could be further from the truth.

>>17473681
German here. I have no clue how to pronounce the latter three.

>>17473692
I do, and I speak German as well. Fucking annoying that people say that “ä” is “ahh” as in draw. It’s actually “ehh” (é).

It’s IshuÉl.

>>17473681
I just ignore that shit, an a is an a no matter what bullshit squiggle you put over it.

>>17473681
They are made-up fantasy languages, jackoff, not some phonologically accurate transcription of proto-Finno-Ugric. Bakker uses these diacritical marks the same way Tolkien did. Read the linguistic glossaries at the end of RotK if you want to know how they’re intended to be pronounced by the author.

But clearly you’re just butthurt for whatever reason and trying to start shit in /sffg/ on an otherwise pleasant Saturday.

>>17470935
Mistborn Second series has a fantastic narrator.
Devil and the Dark Water has a fantastic narrator.
Darth Plagueis
Hercule Poirot BBC dramas

For these books I am glad I went with an audiobook because the narration was so dammed good and added so much to it.

Further books where the narration was good are:
The City and the City (this one is a little tricky because John Lee has such a distinct manly sharp voice, but it fitted the detective character so well in this case)

Superluminary trilogy

>>17473727
There’s nothing wrong with pretending. Just don’t lie to people and pretend it’s something is not.

>>17473741
Where is Bakker’s glossary for these?

>>17473741
How does it feel to be a clueless monoglot? Is that why you’re angry?

>>17473786
I think the first book has examples for pronouncing some of the names

>>17473788
They cannot cope with the fact that being monolingual undermines the capacity to enjoy epic fantasy. How can they truly understand other cultures when they can’t even speak another language?

>>17470514
Hey, I want to work on polishing an idea for a magic system that I have been working on, does anyone have any links and online resources that could help me, please? The best one that I have is Sanderson’s Laws of Magic, and 4chan seems very divided on him for some reason.

https://coppermind.net/wiki/Sanderson%27s_Laws_of_Magic

>>17473822
Go ask >>>/a/

>>17473822
>following other people's rules when you work magic
You are not going to make it past adept.

>>17473813
I speak three languages fag
Fantasy languages aren’t real
Grow the fuck up

>>17473813
I guess. Hard to see why something so trivial would trigger someone one that hard.

>>17473813
Does speaking both Burger and Taco really imbue you with deeper insight into Elven culture?

>dude, made up words that sound very much like historical names
Lmao

>>17473892
No one mentioned elves yet. But speaking at least one Romance language and a Germanic language (other than English) will certainly make you appreciate good prose even more.

Speaking English besides your native language does not count as being bilingual. This doesn't even need to be said. Anyone who disagrees with this tweet is a raging retard.

You guys are fucking retarded.
Either enjoy the books or don’t. But wasting your time complaining about names is completely gay and pointless.

>>17473896
>he doesn’t know

>>17473922
>>17473896
No one mentioned names. You’re just projecting. People are discussing letters and umlauts.

>>17473921
Dangerously based. English is so easy that it shouldn’t even count as a second language.

But being an actual monolingual has heavy consequences on your IQ and mental health on the long run. Multiple scientific studies confirm this.

>>17473834
Seriously, there’s no resources for beginners or anything?

>death comes spiralling down for the 100th time

>bro, if you can't play the piano you can't read poetry
>dude you need to learn Portuguese to appreciate good English prose
Lmao
The pathetic degree of self aggrandizing delusions on some of you faggots is hilarious.

>>17473960
>Making baseless generalisations in order to cope with his intellectual inferiority.

Is this surrender?

>>17473943
I don't understand what you expect from such resources. Do you want me to give you spreadsheets for how many goblins you need to kill with magic spells to level up and and what levels you get what spells?

>>17473960
>He doesn’t play an instrument
> He doesn’t speak a Romance language

No wonder you’re an incel.

LMAO

>>17473980
>>17473994
Back to /r/4chan and /r/bakker/ with you.

>>17473923
>doesn’t know
Know what?

Hey, this random guy was picked up by Gilgaol. Good for him.

>>17474005
Ugh, you *REALLY* don't know. How embarrassing.

>>17474005
LMAO

>>17474018
The random thane who got yeeted by a sranc javelin while chumming with his boys? Yeah, wtf was that all about?

>>17474005
You’re baiting us, right?

How can you NOT know? Are you a tourist?

Bakkerposting has really dropped in quality desu

>>17474168
It should really be Bäckerposting anyway

How does Moengus JR speak Soeweels’s language?

Is this ever explained?

>>17474218
He didn't as far as I can remember.
Chadweel got a Sheyic tutor anyway. Before that Moe jr. didn't directly talk to him, just Serwa and Kayûtas.

>>17473681
Speaking of this, I’ve noticed that the ebook version of the aspect emperor series has some of those missing. I don’t know if by mistake or intentional.

>>17474291
The kid tells a joke and Moengus laughs in the very first scene. Doesn’t matter, just a small detail.

Am I gay or are fantasy books without an emphasis on flowers and a deep description of their smell and beauty, completely subpar?

>>17474358
I don't understand fags like you who care more about the mundane aspects of fantasy novels than the fantastic.

>>17474386
Probably because we've all heard about the great apocalypse, abyss, maelstrom, god kings and ten eyed jesus monster a thousand times over and again in your Tolkien derivatives, so the normal is becoming appealing.

>>17474393
Then go outside and sniff flowers

>>17474358
Not flowers per say, but a nice amount of environmental descriptions to really give you a feel for the surroundings can do wonders.

>>17474441
Yup, this.

>>17474423
"DA GREAT APOCALYPSE THAT DESTROYED EVERYTHING, AND DA GREAT GOD KING KALAYISIS WHO REBUILT DA KINGDOM!"

We've heard it before.

In TTT there’s a passage describing the scent of jasmine and orange blossoms on the wind mingling with the stench of the soldiers and the “honey of their unwashed anuses.” Always thought that was a great smell description.

Reading "Little big" by John Crowley. What a bore fest this is, for now. Does it get better?

any Warhammer Fantasy books that are worth reading?

>>17474485
The Rise of Nagash series is fun, and its fantasy Egypt setting is interesting.

>>17474452
>We've heard it before.
I have actually smelled flowers. Both in the wild and in a garden. At least make it magical flowers that grow out of a nymphs fragrant butthole.

>>17474497
I like Tomb Kings so I'll give it a look. Thanks.

>>17474465
“Eärwa, like Biblical Israel, smells like unwashed balls.” — Bakker

>>17474452
The two complement each other, you need opposites for contrast, so scenes of peaceful nature give context to war and death. One of my favorite scenes in the Prince of Nothing is just Kellhus walking into the forest for the first time in autumn and being overwhelmed by the colors of the leaves.

>>17474556
same, that scene is fantastic.
also love the scene when serwa and sorweel translocate to a peaceful ancient Nonman ruin that was abandoned before Arkfall.

>>17474484
it's pace is very slow all the way through. only at around 2/3 in you get a rough idea what the endgame could be.

The appendix on my version of Unholy Consult is 33% of the book's lenght.

>>17474899
I felt this when I read TTT. I haven’t reached that book yet

>>17472852
It's basic logic: all slow writers are fat, not all fat writers are slow. Like all penguins are birds, not all birds are penguins. It is naught to do with correlation or causation (I don't agree with the statement anyway).

How ‘bout this one: all good fantasy writers are mentally ill and will never finish their series. Dispute

>>17475175
All the best writers never publicized their writing, dispute.

Who edited the aspect emperor series’s ebooks?


I’m finding so many mistakes. I don’t recall any in the Prince of nothing...

Just finished Greg Egan's Axiomatic collection, fantastic.

What else of his is most worth reading?

>>17475314
I think Bakker had a falling out with with his editor or something like that.

Yeah, like missing words.

>>17475351
>falling out with his editor
>falling out with his publisher
>spat with feminists
>stopped communicating with fans completely
why is bakker such a stubborn dickhead?

>>17475371
He’s canadian

>>17470514
>He looked a long time.
Wait, that's it?
That's how the book ends?
I'm fine with there being a soft conclusion but I was really expecting it to be a bit overwrought, like Valentine's parts.
Good book.
Any of the sequels worth reading?

>>17475404
All of them are worth it. It's pretty clear Card wrote them all, unlike say all the awful Dune "books" Herbert's degenerate son co-wrote.

>>17475342
Permutation City and Diaspora

>>17473822
>"Ancient Egyptian Magical Texts" (Ancient magic)
>De Heptarchia Mystica (Good magic)
>Shorshei ha-shemot (good magic)
>Magick Liber ABA Book 4 (evil magic)
Go to the sources of magic people actually believed in and practiced rather than machinations of tabletop games. This will add a dimension of reality to your fantasy. Take inspiration from Anton the author of "Enchantress" who studied ancient Jewish amulet inscriptions for five years before making her novel.

>>17474034
Presumably his virtues outweighted his sins as measured by the god of war.

What does the race of lovers really look like?
Most illustrations are just huge dudes with wings and alien(tm) heads. Kind of dull if you ask me.
Wheres the otherworldly millennia long tekne grafted mix of shit from different worlds etc?

>>17475342
Everything. But you should read his other short stories first.

The books in the order I liked them:
Diaspora
Permutation City
Incandescence
Schild's Ladder
Distress
Teranesia
Quarantine

Also consider reading Ted Chiang, if you like Egan.

>>17475763
The 2nd negotiant saw that the true skull didn't have eyes, but the bonus scene with Aurang before the Apocalypse (in the appendix) describes him with flashing red eyes. Those eyes could be on a human face but there was no reference to a human face on Aurang then if I remember right.

I'm picturing something like a xenomorph skull.

>>17475763
The ark lost most of its upper level flesh crafting when it crashed after coming through the Nail of Heaven.

>>17473018
Read Traveler's Gate.

>>17475342
What stories in Axiomatic did you like the most?

>>17471127
Journey To The Center of the Earth is one of my comfy reads.

>>17471127
I've never made it through 20,000 leagues

Zeum feels Chinese.

>>17476237
Yes they are if China wuz African

>>17476276
Whats High Ainon then?

>>17476330
I read it as Babylon/Mesopotamia meets Ottoman

>>17476330
A nation of dandies.

Why are the Tydonni so racist?

>>17476394
We don't want picks here.

>>17476394
opportunistic nors*rai barbarians who conquered the great and ancient Ketyai kingdom of Cengemis. their yoke will be removed by force along with all the chains of the false Emprah.

>>17476611
Women are fucking coomers

>>17476611
inb4 half the scifan books are HP and GURM

I just walked by this place....

>>17476659
We are a shop of lovers

>>17476611
wh...where's is fantasy? it's probably so high up that it got it's own category right? hah-ha...ha;

>>17476611
It just falls off the table after SFF

>>17476750
genre fiction fan INCAPABLE of reading - sad!

>>17476791
I'm surprised horror makes even a tenth of fantasy, nvm sf/fantasy

>>17476804
Many such cases.

>>17476330
Sonething like italian merchant cities mixed with southeast asian rice planters and oriental magicks.

>>17470887
Hi. I’ll be your anti Bakker poster for the evening. Suck any dicks lately?

bakker is ok

>>17470631
I haven't read it, but I've read a bunch of other Cherryh books and they are dope.

>>17476916
proof ?

Is Bakker good for real or is he just good fantasy?
Asking so I know if I want to read the book or listen to an audio version while I do the dishes

>>17477055
Audiobook doesn’t do it justice

>>17477097
I just want to know if it transcends the genre in some way or if it's another Malazan

>>17470690
I wasn't a fan of the jelly camp but the plant one was quite fun

>>17476916
You mean he’s doing okay, or he’s an okay writer?

>>17477055
He’s outstanding, if you have certain tastes for the morbid, baroque, extreme, and concept-driven. Avoid the audiobooks at all costs and read the printed page like a real person.

>>17477342
Thanks
Reading it back my posts sounds like I'm being a cunt, I just think I don't really enjoy or appreciate fantasy properly so I need a little more
Malazan was, by all accounts, good fantasy, but I didn't really get too much out of it personally

>>17477055
Just good fantasy but there is nothing wrong with that. If you like fantasy at all his stuff is worth reading.

>>17475371
He is touchy.

>>17477424
don't think im gonna read his book lol

>>17477424
is he severely autistic?

The exposition in Piranesi feels flat. There is a lot of it right off the bat. Does it get better?

>>17473357
>giving a shit about goodreads reviews

>>17477424
that's really all a guy can do in that position. she's lucky he didn't have a gun on him.

>>17476611
women do rule the world

What are some stories about big penises fighting orcs?

>>17473822
The problem with Sandershit's "magic system" is that it's not magic at all, it's just gay science. Unless your character has a background in magic there isn't a real reason to overexplain anything. Even if they're a wizard, it should be kept a bit vague. It's magic, it doesn't have to follow "rules".

>>17477424
ohh no bakkerbros...

I just finished Soldier of the Mist. I quite enjoyed it but I'm afraid I might be too dumb to read Gene Wolfe, did I miss the part where they explained exactly what Latro did to offend the goddess and get his memory fucked or is that something that will be covered in the next book?
Also I had to re-read the chapter where Latro first refers to Eurykles as a woman because that seemed to come out of nowhere too, and I still don't fully understand what the fuck all that transformation was about.

I want to write hard sci-fi, but I'm way, way too stupid for it. How do I become smarter?

>>17478089
By learning and researching.

>>17478089
Read Aristotle>Euclid>Leibniz>Newton>Boltzmann>Faraday>Einstein>Heisenberg
And then invent sci fi technology
Or go to school for STEM you nerd

>>17478262
>Or go to school for STEM you nerd
I went to school for biology. I mean, I could probably invent a few convincing races/species, but like holy fuck. Reading the likes of Clarke just has me so far out of my depth. It's hard to do research because I don't even know what I don't know. Even random military sci-fi like Jack Campbell has me realizing that I don't even understand relativistic physics enough to write a narrative including them.

Is there any call for, like, small scale hard sci-fi where instead of talking about intergalactic campaigns or journeys that take centuries, it's just about a guy on a planet?

>>17478300
Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy, specifically Red Mars. It gets kind of mystical and theoretical-hard in the latter books, but the first one, Red Mars, is coherent hard scifi all the way.

>>17478300
could you write a book set in the medieval times without knowing their terminology? I mean you could chug along for fifty pages or so, but eventually it will confront you head on

>>17470514
>Perelandra in one image

>tfw you're currently writing the next big series that will destroy tolkienism and usher in a new era of high fantasy
bros it feels so good

>>17478438

Good
From what culture(s) are you drawing mythos from?

>>17478300
read gibson
its closer to 'junkies and dystopias' vs 'rigorous explanations of physics by a ph.d holder'

>>17478500
turk and mongol

>>17478059
It's been a while, I think the Persian forces desecrated a temple at Plataea or something?

>>17474485
I'm reading Honour of the Grave by Robin D. Laws now and am quite enjoying it.

>>17476611
This hurts me so much. I write for a living and it's all erotica, but I dream of the day that I can write an honest-to-god fantasy novel.

>>17477846
You clearly didnt get the point. There are lots of 2 and 3 star reviewers complaining about how the book is too based.

>>17478438
exactly how will you destroy tolkienism? post excerpt

>>17475404
Speaker for the Dead is one of the best scifi books there is but the others are kind of tepid.

>>17471821
I meme about those a decent amount but have only ever read Unsouled and The Poppy War.
Actually, I did end up reading a decent portion of the first volume of Journey to the West as well as a collection of Chinese folklore.

>>17473510
Not that it makes much of a difference but that shit is completely absent in the first book of the series unless you count those scenes with his sister

>>17477110
>transcends the genre
Only series to do the superman concept properly in genre or "serious" literature.

>Madness!

>>17477424
she sounds like a pretentious bitch. he comes off kind of douchey as well but i dont blame him. children's fiction? is she a fucking anime bully?

>>17470621
zhanks, doktor

>>17478943
Do you post on mcstories or literotica? I might take a look at what you're writing

Why don't they just rename it /bsg/ - Bakker and Sanderson general - at this point? Or, as I like to call it, bullshit general.

>>17477424
Sounds based.

>>17477424
She sounds jelly as fuck.

>>17476618
You have to understand that a large portion of those are single.

>>17476611
What's so fascinating about crime/mystery?

>I read with my ears

What did the audiocuck mean by this?

Recommend me some science fiction please.

I enjoyed the red rising series immensely and blindsight was also incredible. I'm pretty new to this realm, and I'm coming over from epic fantasy (jordan, sanderson, rothfuss, etc) because I feel like I've gotten through most of the truly quality series and I'd like to save the ones I haven't read for when I'm really in the mood.

Also, hyperion is extremely overrated imo. After reading the first 5 dresden's and the farseer trilogy, I'm really thirsting for something I can't put down, cause red rising was the last thing to do that for me.

any books about settling or becoming the leader of a village/town/city, and then btfoing other villages/towns/cities as it grows?

>>17480286
i cant believe im recommending this, but The Two Week Curse is a litrpg (lol) that just activates every retard cell in my cell. its got stat sheets for characters and everything. like the writing suuuucks but its "progression loops" are like cocaine for autists

>>17479906
You don't enjoy solving a good mystery? Sometimes true-crime can even be more interesting than any wild fiction.

>>17480328
anon have you read Delve? I'm all about objectively bad books but good litrpg. I just want monke brain to go "ook, progression"

>>17473943
Just think for yourself and try to avoid cliches man. Writing a story is about saying something that you want to say not about what others have said before you. The fact that you ask for resources is like admitting that you can't write.

>every chapter has to start a quote by a made up character in the year 1312 after the Great Happening so you know that it's EPIC fucking fantasy
>next line is a date and location with the month having some retarded name
I can't do it anymore bros

>>17480396
stop reading fucking sanderson and malazan

>>17480286
The Stand

Are the Altered Carbon books worth it?

>>17480449
or Bakker...
This shit has infested the entire genre

Is Sheri tepper any good?

don't mean to start shit but why does it feel like books never seem to have the emotional impact that VNs do?
despite that they're almost always worse written and suffer from having to be translated they seem to evoke far more emotions than books. do audio and visuals add that much? would you like to read a book that was turned into a VN (given visuals, animations and a proper soundtrack?

>>17480553
>reading three lines at a time
No thanks.

>>17480494
yes

>>17480553
Vns are just picture books

>>17480553
That's not been my experience. It probably comes down to the type of person you are.

Just finished Soldier’s Live. Amazing series, and I cannot wait for a Pitiless Rain, if it ever comes out.
However I do have a major issue with this series. [spoilers] I cannot understand for the life of me the way Glen Cook handles deaths. The deaths of Murgen, pretty much his entire Nyueng Bao family, Sleepy, Mogaba, and a bunch of others I’m probably forgetting from the earlier books, just felt terribly handled. I can seen Sleepy and Murgen dying out of nowhere, war’s a bitch and soldiers live. But then they just say “Oh, Sleepy’s dead, oh, Murgen’s dead and pretty much move on, aside from maybe Tobo getting angry. And Mogaba gets his shit kicked in off screen by Tobo, without ever meeting Croaker? Fuck off, I’ve been waiting since the books of the south to see Mogaba and Croaker meet face to face again. Seems like the only deaths handled well in the series were One-Eye and Goblin’s.

>>17480665
>fucked up the spoiler
My bad. Please don’t read this post if you haven’t finished black company

>>17480679
You know you CAN just delete and repost it right?

>>17480679
Just use CTRL+S, anon.

>>17480716
>>17480863
I’m phoneposting in bed right now! I pressed delete post and it just said error. I also reported it for low quality.

>>17472986
Yes.

>>17472988
>>17473003
Reddit is especially useless for anything on creative works simply because of how the place is structured aka people are afraid to actually be critical lest they get down-voted to oblivion. It's bandwagon central.

>>17478059
The epigram implies he desecrated the temple of Demeter just before the book begins.
Eurykles got possessed by the snake woman that Latro met in chapter 10. That’s why a snake comes out of his mouth in the last chapter.

>>17477861
>>17479847
>>17479861
Bakker?

wait - when did Bakker's Twitter account get suspended? where the fuck IS he?

Anyone in favor of making a bakker general next time so we don't have to talk about other fantasy writers?

Are Sranc Nonmen???

Please no spoilers. But did I read that part right? Or do they only resemble each other?

>>17480494
Yes, they are incredibly fun. If you've seen the show then pretend it never happened.

>>17481125
I have only read 2 nooks and nearing the end of the 3rd book.

According to what I have read the answer is no. I do not know how you came to this question.

>>17481150
I'm on the 4rth book.

>>17481069
just make a separate bakker thread if you want to talk about his books

>>17481153
sranc and nonmen are two different things

>>17481160
I know they are. But are they like Orcs and Elves? (i.e. Orcs are fallen elves) That's my question. The Cleric has the face of a Sranc. This is clearly stated in the 4th book.

>>17481157
>>17481069
You will kill this general without bakker. There is no point in doing that. People are still discussing other books here. You're not helping anyone.

>>17481176
no im just saying if you want to talk about one series and nothing else just make a thread about it instead of complaining that the general isnt exclusive to your book

>>17481188
I don't even like Bakker. But I don't see a problem in people discussing it here.

>>17481168
I dont know who Cleric is as im still on 3rd book.

But I do know Sranc have no souls (I think this was spoiled in one of these threads) but Nonmen have souls. (You need soul to do magic)

>>17481194
????????????????
what are you TALKING ABOUT
go back through the reply chain you clown, who the fuck is saying people shouldn't discuss that bullshit here

>>17481202
>>17481160
>>17481150
>I have only read 2 nooks and nearing the end of the 3rd book.
>I dont know who Cleric is as im still on 3rd book.

Why would you even comment on something you have no fucking idea about? And in the meanwhile, spoil and be spoiled about shit you haven't even read yourself?

>>17481207
>go back through the reply chain

No.

>>17481209

>>17478300
Biology isn't STEM. You need to study engineering or you will never write hard science fiction.

>>17481220
Cleric is the Nonmen that kills Achamian.

>>17481226
I should have gone into biology man
If anyone isn't sure what to do, my advice is to get into a field where there's hot girls
If you have a work crush going on the daily grind becomes infinitely easier and more pleasurable. Same applies to going to some shit class etc

>>17481233
I never like Akka

>>17481168
Sranc were made as a mockery of Nonmem but they are their own specie. They breed. Nonmen don't (anymore).

>>17481254
That was a part of why I picked chemical engineering. The only engineering with >50% girls, we had almost all the hot smart girls in the school. Only math and physics and chemistry girls were also hot and smart.

>>17481254
>go into english lit at uni
>literally all girls except 3 guys
>none of the girls are hot
>only one semester of classes before everything gets shoah'd by covid
>probably never going back to actual classes
JUST
On the upside, at least I have girls telling me how good my writing is all the time in online classes.

>>17481168
Lol how can you get to book 4 and not know this? Of course they’re as orcs to elves. Sranc are derived from the Nonmen genestock using Tekne. It’s in the glossary, dummy.

What are some books as good or better than the Book of the New Sun?

>>17481233
Lmao

>>17481546
Read Bakker

>>17481569
Bakker doesn't seem on the same level desu
More Malazan tier. Am I mistaken?

>>17481573
Bakker is epic fantasy like Malazan.

>>17481546
Deltora Quest. Well...there are plenty better, but search that if you want the most similar kind of ambience.

>>17481573
It’s more epic than BotnS. Maybe less ‘mystic’ but more philosophical. Just read Bakker and form your own opinion, he’s part of the /sffg/ canon.

>>17480146
Read Bakker.

>Hyperion
>Overrated
Based r-word

>>17481584
I didn't like Malazan, I don't think epic fantasy interests me

>>17481606
>he’s part of the /sffg/ canon
Not really a selling point haha
I read an excerpt on amazon and it's typical every chapter has a fake quote from a made up historian and then it's date and location with silly names. Doesn't seem very sophisticated

I think this woman >>17477424 was right

>>17481638
Sounds like it isn’t for you then.
Maybe next time you can actually contribute something to the thread rather than being a requestfag who complains about something he hasn’t read.

>>17481647
No, I don't think I will

Fuck, E William Brown might publish this year.

>>17481638
Those quotes are from actual characters in the story.

>>17481647
I want to like it though, I want it to be good

>>17481695
I assumed that, I still think it's a terrible convention
What are the differences between Bakker and Malazan?

I'm reading The Judging Eye and even the fucking year at beginning of the chapter is wrong.

What the fuck are these fucking ebook editor hacks doing? How is this even possible? Who edited this fucking shit?

I have never seen anything this poorly edited And I payed for this shit too

>>17481569
Would you recommend anything specific?
>>17481586
This a larp? First thing I see is that it's a series for children

>>17481069
In theory it would mean the retards would flock there and leave, this general could discuss books and get different recs instead of the default hurr liked x book? Read bakker bro.
Truth is, they'll most likely still shitpost here.
It would be a nice experiment to see just how many autists are ruining the general though.

>>17481741
the darkness that comes before

>>17481710
Malazan is so shit I couldn't make it through 5 chapters without throwing up, Prince of Nothing is the best written book I've ever read.

>>17481777
I didn't hate Malazan, but the Prince of Nothing is way better.

>>17481777
>>17481783
Can you tell me about the differences though? I agree that Malazan was bad, but what makes this better?
I'm worried I'll get burned again, it's the same dialogue around the books here

>>17481736
The hardcover edition is nice

>>17481761
Looks good. Thanks anon

>>17481792
The prose is better. And the sense of mystery is even greater.
The plot throws you into a world that no other sff has ever attempted to go.

The protagonist is so unique, that you will be constantly thrilled and uncomfortable reading him. You never know what to really expect. You will never be bored.

>>17481792
>different books are different
Bakker is much darker, more morbid, more Tolkienesque, with a heavy, depressing, baroque feeling. Just torrent the epub retard and stop wasting our time with pointless questions.

I liked both Bakker and Malazan, even the spin-offs.

>>17481537
>It’s in the glossary, dummy.
>he reads the glossary for the sake of it

I, for one, will enjoy the books as much as possible and make my own notes along the way.
I'll only check the glossary when I finish the series. That truly is the superior experience.

>>17481792
Just read it, it's instantly obvious that it's good. The prose alone is head and shoulders above most fantasy, and the plot is good too. It's also the sffg certified GRI champion.

>>17481808
Which hardcover though? I've paid for these e-books. (pic related to be precise). I'm spotting careless mistakes left and right.

>>17481821
>>17481848
The prose being good would mean a great deal, thanks. That would make putting up with the conventions I don't like much easier

>>17481832
How dare I discuss your dumb genre books in the dumb genre book general
Fuck off bitch, I won't waste my time if I have reason to suspect it's another Malazan meme

>>17481821
Who is this priestess of Gierra

New thread:
>>17481950

>>17481821
sauce?

hey guys ! I love sci fi its awesome. big fan of the pepe frog!

any good sci fi about kessler syndrome?