/lit/ - Literature

>I'm so fucking horny

>don't read fiction
>Aristotle, Hegel, Heidegger
>Rimbaud, Goethe, Baudelaire

>>17472087
>>Aristotle, Hegel, Heidegger
One of these does not fit in

>>17472057
> I like coffee and dogs
> no idea
> I dunno
> 3 isn't enough. Hard to choose something.

>currently working on my semi-schizo (but academically referenced) opus magnum, as well as trudging through Kant and trying to comprehend him as best as possible. I like black coffee, cigars, and black licorice

>I suppose Tolkien, Bartol and Huxley
>Evola, Nietzsche, Plato
>Goethe, Virgil, Homer

>>17472057
I like making music, reading books and painting.
I work in a telemarketing center, it sucks.

>Lautreamont, Guyotat, Gass.
>Baudrillard, Nietzsche, Debord.
>Verlaine, Pound, Rimbaud.

>>17472143
Post some stuff

I stopped going to college and have decided to focus on art.

Nabokov, DFW, Dostoevsky
Nietzsche, Plato, Camus
Yeats, Dickinson, Shelley

>>17472094
Hegel cause he was a hack?

>>17472150
>The Technological Force is the most fundamental point which must be comprehended by anyone who wishes to gain a meaningful understanding of the course of history since ancient times. If one is able to understand the significance of this Force for the human beings who took part, and take part, in history, and connect it meaningfully with the vast amount of historical material that we possess in our modern age, one will almost feel as though a veil has been lifted from the eyes. So, without further ado, we shall attempt a rather succinct explanation, which the rest of the investigation shall reinforce and elaborate upon.

>The largest historical force from the beginning of the “historical period” has been the Technological Force, which is to say the shift of man away from the possibility of attainment of Being, of men who are and need no justifications for themselves or their decrees. The beginning of the “historical period” marks the first and most obvious effect of this force, by which various strains of “philosophy” appeared in Ancient Greece and contributed to a general intellectualised climate, culminating, for the most part, in Plato and Aristotle, and many of which notably laid the intellectual foundations for the aspects of Christianity not directly related to Jesus or the Bible (for example, the various disputes over the Trinity, and other rationalistic arguments about various aspects of the faith which ultimately had to be canonised and dogmatised). Much of this philosophy still retained many older and more centered influences, seen commonly in the works of Plato, but due to the preoccupation with reason as an epistemological source, Plato had also laid the foundation for a more diabolical type of philosophical system which would eventually subsume and eradicate his own (we refer, of course, to the “Western philosophical tradition”, which traces its roots essentially to Plato). The Greeks would remain a relatively benign case in their ancient world, up until the later rise of Christianity into prominence throughout the Roman Empire.

There's one more part to add. This is from a preamble so it's not particularly heavy with referencing or detail. I also have some phrases and words I'm considering changing around

>>17472214
>Christianity, which we can define very broadly, so broad in fact as to incorporate parts of the older Jewish religion and certain lower-class cults which spread through the Roman Empire near its decline, along with the philosophical strains emanating from Plotinus, Plato and Parmenides, did not eradicate Being altogether, but shifted it to the mere psychological and speculative realm, or even the afterlife, Heaven, for the non-clergy (with certain exceptions seen in the later Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity). Christianity, importantly, still left room for the concept of “intellectual intuition” and the idea of the “beatific vision”, which certain Christian philosophers such as Thomas Aquinas experienced[2], which were essentially remnants of a much older and Pagan tradition, not limited merely to the clergy in the case of Pagans. This was the first major step towards the elimination of Being altogether, as Being now no longer is, but is only thought. Eventually, Being would be entirely disposed of by materialist currents which replaced it with pseudo-being, i.e. positivism, empiricism, phenomenalism, and the like. Such strains of thought posit that only matter and/or sense perception is; this amounts to an ultimate inversion of reality, with Being and Becoming substituted for each other. This is a most curious reversal which even the most learned modern philosophers never seem to question; we will remark again upon the case of Nietzsche who praises Becoming in his opus magnum, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, yet in such a way as to will an eternal return of the moment, in other words, to will to be rather than become. We are unsure whether this confusion and self-contradiction was recognised by Nietzsche, or if he himself was carelessly playing into the modern philosophical terminology, but either way, Nietzsche, the man who pushed modern philosophy to its extreme limit, provides a valuable demonstration of the point which we have called the, “ontological inversion”, in philosophy.

>>17472214
>>17472219
didn't read

>>17472087
>Poetry
>Not fiction

>>17472219
>>17472214
Sounds cool anon but make sure you read Hegel too.

>>17472235
I will try. I'd like to wade through Fichte and Schelling first if they're not as thick as Kant.

>>17472252
Kant is very clear compared to most German idealism.

>>17472057
I’m about to turn 20 next month. I’m currently in nursing school. I rarely ever leave the house except for class (which is all online now.) Besides that, I go weeks without leaving the house and without having human interaction outside of my mother and 4chan.
>Shakespeare, Goethe, Tolstoy
>Plato, Kant, Schopenhauer
>Lord Byron, Heine, Leopardi

>>17472057
>I write shitty poetry and I like pongos.
>Italo Calvino, Georges Perec, and Natsume Soseki
>Going to have to break the rules and say David Hume, Alfred Whitehead, Martin Heidegger, and Jacques Lacan
>Geoffrey Chaucer (who is my favorite writer but I put him here since there was a separate section), Wallace Stevens, and Gerard Manley Hopkins.
>>17472087
Goethe is very good, surprised someone who liked Goethe would out Rimbaud over Hölderlin.
>>17472144
You like Gass better than Döblin, Zweig, Mann, Broch, and Musil? I guess it's possible you haven't read all fo those other German modernists.
>>17472173
Dickinson and Yeats are great picks, as is Shelly though I think he's a bit overrated. What's your favorite poem by Dickinson?

>>17472323
Based replier

>>17472292
It's not Kant's expression that is difficult, but the extreme level of abstraction. I'm never sure if I'm considering exactly what he wants me to consider when he uses certain terms (which leads me to believe I'll have to read the whole book and then reflect on my understanding to even have an idea if I've comprehended him properly, and then potentially read it again). I'm fine with an author (at least in terms of comprehension) if he purposely draws things out. Kant compresses things (at least compared to other idealists I'm presuming) yet they retain a large amount of complexity, or at least a large potential for error if I misinterpret exactly what he was referring to with particular terms

>>17472334
reploooooyer*
I'm reploooooying

>>17472323
Oh I mixed up Günter Grass and William Gass my bad

>i'm probably the only person on this entire board that doesn't have some variant of depression or social anxiety disorder

>Proust, Chekhov, Joyce
>Spinoza, Rousseau, Hegel
>Keats, Holderlin, Hopkins

>>17472393
>Hegelian
>No depression
Uh huh

>>17472405
Hegel is uplifting to me. He's one of the few philosophers that actually writes good prose.
Now if I said Schopenahuer or Kierkegaard you might have a point.

>>17472393
I don't have neither.
>McCarthy, Joyce, Borges
>Heh!
>Yeats, Emerson, Willy Shakes

>>17472057
>I'm German

>Wagner, Wagner Wagner
>Wagner, Wagner, Wagner
>Wagner, Wagner, Wagner

Sometimes I wish I had never made any good friends because I was blissful and unaware of how good it is and how hard it can be.

Chekhov, Genet, Kafka
Hegesias, Kant, Debord
Idk, I suppose the three greek tragedians

>>17472660
>Hegesias
But we don't have any of his books?

>>17472143
I can tell from here that you've only ever read translations

>>17472417
Shut up

>>17472340
If it helps you I made this diagram a long time ago when I read CPR. It's not meant to be 100% correct cause I don't think it's really diagrammable, but it helped me when I was reading it.

>>17472782
No, I am almost fluent in German and I've started Latin recently. Although I am reading Kant in English for obvious reasons
>>17472793
Thanks, I found a simplistic version on a university's website that I used previously which was far less detailed. I'll just swap to this. It looks close to the mapping I have in my mind so I may not have strayed too far

>>17472057
>I'm possibly the only person I've met in 20 years that just had a good relationship with their parents with no psychoses attached.

>walter e miller jr, Isaac(oo, look, my first name) asimov, c s lewis
>plato, plato, and plato(stop wasting your time on pseuds)
>Francis s thompson, Longfellow, g k chesterton

>>17472087

>I'm finding it difficult to decide which path will be right for me in life

>Turgenev, Lermontov, Tolstoy
>Thoreau, Emerson, Muir
>Thomas, Whitman, Wordsworth

>me, myself, I
>my former self, my actual self, my future self
>me thinking of her, me after fucking her, me drunk alone

I am.

>working on a novelle

>Frank Herbet, stravinsky, Kafka
>Reva negarestani, heidegger, plato
>Lord Tenneson, Homer, Orpheus

>>17472917
Didn't realize all isaacs had good relationships with their parents and we're chads

>>17473141
Redpill me on Negarestani

>>17472057
>I'm a great time waster, in fact I'm wasting time at record speed right now
>Aeschylus, Balzac, Dostoievsky
>Kant, Nietzsche, Pascal
>Baudelaire, Dante, Valéry

>>17473172
>Aeschylus
Very based

>>17473176
I've recently finished all of Sophocles, I still like Aeschylus better but he's also great tb.h. Currently moving on to Euripides, so far he's very funny but not particularly sublime, however I have only read The Cyclops.

>>17473154
Didn't want to say land and wanted to mention islam so I said him. Oil is the lifeblood of the universe

>>17473196
>so far he's very funny but not particularly sublime, however I have only read The Cyclops.
Well The Cyclops is the only complete satyr play we have so it should be funny. Euripides is great; pay close attention to his female characters (in tragedies, not in the satyr play), that's where he shines imo.

bump

>Hesse
>Dostoyevsky
>Kafka

>Camus
>Nietzsche
>Plato

>Rimbaud
>Corso
>Ginsberg

>>17472438
WAGNERRRR
NERRRRRRRR
NIGGGGGERRR

>>17472057
> I’m a failed writer working as a carpenter

> Knut Hamsun, Kerouac, Ken Kesey
> Kant, Schelling, Meister Eckhart
> Pound, Whitman, Bukowski

>>17472969
I want to be your friend.

>>17472143
based huxley appreciator

>>17472057
>I'm bad at connecting with people but I'm trying to get better.

>Cervantes, Dosto, Auster
>Schop, Nietzsche, Wittgenstein
>Goethe, Chaucer, Virgil

>>17472417
>He's one of the few philosophers that actually writes good prose.
What about Nietzsche's prose? Schopenhauer's? I've never heard some praise Hegel's prose. Regardless, kudos to you for unironically deriving enjoyment out of Hegel's writings.

>>17472847
>No, I am almost fluent in German and I've started Latin recently.
Fucking based. I love you Anon. Also cool excerpts above. You write well.

>frog getting my doctorate in philology

>Jung, Scaliger, Polizano
>Vico, Plato, Montesquieu
>Pindar, Virgil, Ronsard

>>17472969
“The main point of Christianity was this: that Nature is not our mother: Nature is our sister. We can be proud of her beauty, since we have the same father; but she has no authority over us; we have to admire, but not to imitate. This gives to the typically Christian pleasure in this earth a strange touch of lightness that is almost frivolity. Nature was a solemn mother to the worshipers of Isis and Cybele. Nature was a solemn mother to Wordsworth or to Emerson. But Nature is not solemn to Francis of Assisi or to George Herbert. To St. Francis, Nature is a sister, and even a younger sister: a little, dancing sister, to be laughed at as well as loved.”
>GK Chesterton: Orthodoxy

I can lucid dream, but only if I fall asleep in a dream I'm already having, like inception. When I wake up from the second dream, I reenter the first, which gives the genuine sensation of that dream being real life. This causes a ton of dissociation when I actually wake up, but Ive gotten better at managing it.

>Dostoyevsky, Cormac McCarthy, Steinbeck
>Berdyeav, Captain Kierk, Boethius
>Mary Oliver, James L. Dickey, Yeats

>>17475081
Based Mary Oliver enjoyer. Going to have to point out that Turgenev is better than Dostoyevsky though.

>>17475081
>I can lucid dream
How cool is that? You can literally live out all your sexual fantasies at pretty much no cost.

>>17475099
Where to start with Turgenev?

>>17475132
First Love > Fathers and Sons > On the Eve > A Sportsman's Sketches > Torrents of Spring (optional) > Virgin Soil is the order I would reccomend you read him in

>>17472057

>My sense of self seems like its ready to blow away with a stiff breeze lately, everything is at arms length, including my memories of myself five minutes ago.

>Joyce, Hamsun, Hesse
>Kierkegaard, Wittgenstein, Heidegger
>Yeats, Blake, Hölderlin

>>17473882
I really wish you hadn't mentioned Ginsberg, would have been a great post.

>>17473942
I believe in you anon

>>17475047
Philology is an interesting choice, I don't meet your kind very often, what brought you to that area?

>>17475060
Based Chestertonposter

>>17472057
>Stressing over this paper that's due tomorrow
>James Joyce, Samuel Beckett, and Graham Swift
>Bertolt Brecht, Frederic Jameson, and Jacques Lacan
>Ted Hughes, William Butler Yeats, and Samuel Taylor Coleridge

>>17475163
Ginsberg is the only other poet I’ve happened to read so I just threw him on there, I’m really not much of a fan and should’ve just put 2. His poetry was eh and his personality and views are pretty shit too.

life is one long car ride

melville, wells, burgess
zizek, land... does jung count?
bukowski, yeats, marquis

>>17475213
Read Verlaine, Baudelaire, Wallace Stevens, and John Ashbery anon.

>>17473148
Actually, another fact about me is that I've only met like 2 or 3 other isaacs in my entire life. What's up dude.

Writers
>Bede
>James
>Hugo
Philosophers
>Lucretius
>Quine
>Hume
Poets
>Chaucer
>Barbour
>Shelley

>>17472057
>I like impressionist paintings

>Don't read fiction
>Aristotle, Hume, Plato
>Homer, Poe, idk

>>17475235
Appreciate it, I recently ordered a copy of Flowers of Evil already, so looking forward to that.

>Gogol, Apuleius, Papadiamantis
>Plato, Heraclitus, Shestov
>Propertius, Homer, Attar

>>17473958
I want to be your friend too.
>>17475060
Thank you Chesterton. Though I may not agree entirely, I admire your work greatly.

>>17475616
And the special all three at once subcategory
>Nietzsche, Borges, Seneca

>>17475616
>>17475640
>Interesting fact
Oh shit
Ummmmm
I go through life mostly like I'm asleep which people confuse for tranquility so whenever I show even a tinge of negative emotion, everyone looks at me like I killed someone

>>17475163
>Philology is an interesting choice
When I first began reading Nietzsche in my last year of secondary school, I came across a fine line in which he said that philology is the art of reading slowly, paying attention to the words, the clauses, the craft, how the parts contribute to the whole. On top of this, most of my favorite writers had a background in the classical languages and I wanted to follow in their footsteps. Another exhilarating read in my adolescent days was Leopardi and how he would go on into minute details of ancient poets and how his contemporaries either excelled or fell short of them; I wanted to be able to think like him. Lastly, I was brought up in a trilingual household (Fr, It, Eng) so coming across ideas, sayings or poetry in different molds (languages) engraved me with a deep impression and interest.

>every gf ive ever had cheated on me with other girls

>kundera, joyce, melville
>plato, augustine, kierkegaard
>yeats, eliot, auden

>>17475785
>>every gf ive ever had cheated on me with other girls
did you at least get some threesomes out of it?

>>17475810
once lol but we were drunk so it was messy and bad

>im very handsome

>Tolstoy, Dickens, Gaddis
>gary saul morson, bakhtin, lidiya ginzberg
>dont read poetry

>Divided between unabated consumerism and apathy, or premature/impotent counterculture rebellion

>Houellebecq
>Céline
>Genet

>Bataille
>Nietzsche
>Cioran

>Baudelaire
>Novalis
>Hölderlin

>>17472057
I don't like candy
Gogol, Lermontov, Flaubert
Diogenes, Zhuangzi, Mengzi
Rumi, Li Po, Du Fu

> Dostoevsky, Nabokov, Borges
> Weil, Camus, Heidegger
> Rilke, Bukowski, Li Bai

>>17476752
>>im very handsome
pics pls

>>17472057
I have dark brown hair and light blue eyes, ruddy-fair skin in winter and spring and tanned olive skin in summer and fall, I'm of normal proportion, not short and not tall, not fat nor skinny, not built but I'm strong. My IQ is 100 and my politics are centrist, I'm average in literally every way, shape and form, and I am really thankful for that.

>Eiji Yoshikawa, Dostoevsky, and whoever's responsible for the Cattle Raid of Cooley existing
>Miyamoto Musashi is favorite philosopher, also whoever authored the Hagakure, and Bodhidharma
I never really developed a taste for poetry. I read a few from that Northern Irish /lit/ poster and found them very enjoyable, as for historical I read a poem by Emily Dickinson I think was her name that had a valentines day theme to it, so I'm gonna go with her.
Come to think of it though I did enjoy some of the Christian themed poems in the gnostic bible.

>I am the ultimate fencesitter. Yes, I don't know if I am bisexual too.

>Dostojewski, Kafka, Hamsun
>Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Bataille
>Goethe, Adam Mickiewicz, Robert Frost

> I became disillusioned by academia so I dropped out of my masters program in classics and joined the navy

>Meville, McCarthy, Chandler

> I dont really read philosophy but I loved translating Plato

>Ovid, Shakespeare, Coleridge.

>>17475249
>>Lucretius
>>Quine
>>Hume
>>17476847
>Bataille
>Nietzsche
>Cioran
Literally the only triads of philosophers that you can see making sense in the entire thread.
>>17472143
>Evola, Nietzsche, Plato
Look at this pretentious trad faggot

>>17472057
>I scrub a tattoo parlor for a living. I also dislike ranking things and picking favorites.
>Joyce, Melville, Mann
>Plotinus, Kant, Kierkegaard
>Swinburne, Keats, Coleridge... I guess. Don't know much poetry.

>>17478174
>You're not allowed to like a philosopher unless you agree with every single thing they posit

>>17478453
You can like whoever you want but singling out (eg.) Plato and Nietzsche as your "favourite" philosophers strongly suggests that your philosophical inclinations are either all over the place or incoherent, or else you have a very superficial understanding of them (both Plato and Nietzsche own the libs! <-- This suspicion is also confirmed by the inclusion of Evola in the triad.)

>>17472057
>say something about yourself
I want to join my county's special forces

>top 3 writers
Dostoevsky, Nabokov, Kafka

>top 3 philosophers
Michele Obama x3

>top 3 poets
not a faggot

>>17478565
I could say that you have an understanding of them that is too general and not sufficiently nuanced, thus not allowing you to associate their ideas in any meaningful way. My inclinations are relatively idiosyncratic, and I strongly reject certain aspects of all three I listed, but that does not equal "incoherent", unless you are incapable of nuanced thought, as I said. The idea of "favourite philosophers" is also sort of difficult for me to work with, as I didn't have particular criteria for selecting them, apart from how valid I felt their insights were in various areas (ie, not their necessary coherence between each other as "philsophical systems")

>>17478626
>I could say that you have an understanding of them that is too general and not sufficiently nuanced, thus not allowing you to associate their ideas in any meaningful way.
This is not a matter of nuance, Platonic and Nietzschean "metaphysics" (if you can call them that) are on the complete opposite ends of the spectrum. They are irreconcilable. That suggests either that you don't have a well worked out worldview or that you are only superficially influenced by them. From a Platonist point of view (or any sane point of view, really) Nietzscheanism is a completely ridiculous position without intellectual merit.

>>17478709
>Nietzscheanism is a completely ridiculous position without intellectual merit.
I can see exactly where you're coming from. I'm not really interested in polemics, so there's no point even continuing this discussion.

>>17472057
Faulkner.

>>17472057
I am looking forward to the mountains in spring.
>Richard Adams, HP Lovecraft, JRR Tolkien.
> Nietzsche, Foucault, ...
>Yeats, Wallace Stevens,..

>>17475616
>Apuleius
Basaedo

>>17477307
>My IQ is 100 and my politics are centrist, I'm average in literally every way, shape and form, and I am really thankful for that.
Based anon

>>17478709
>>17478565
>>17478174
Bad posts

>>17472057
>i'm drunk

>top 3 writers
I don't read so much fiction, so Pablo de Rokha, Neruda or Borges, I guess.

>top 3 philosophers
Heraclitus, Spinoza, Deleuze.

>top 3 poets
Fug, I don't read so much poetry either, so Pablo de Rokha, Neruda and Trakl/Ligotti (only poems ---Ligotti's fiction sucks).

>um... memes

>DFW, Joyce, Hardy (but really just Jude The Obscure)

>Carlo Michelstaedter, Kierkegard, and Sartre

>both Brownings, Shelley, and Keats

>Dostoevsky, Jünger
>Nietzsche, Linkola, Evola
>Eino Leino

>I used to be pretty good-looking but now in my late 20's I've lost a a significant amount of hair on the sides and mostly stay home reading

>McMurtry, Melville, CS Lewis
>Plato, Bernard Williams, Emerson
>haven't read pottery, dont know if Tolkien counts

>>17472057
> I'm horny, bored, and a trainwreck
> Dostoevsky, Saramago, Wilde
> Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Confucius
> Baudelaire, Pessoa, Eliot