/lit/ - Literature

>>17455630
Two completely different cultures and literary genres. There's different types of works even within the OT and NT itself too. Read Genesis again with an understanding of ANE cosmology and the theology of Christ as the new mediator king between God and creation (Adam). Also the church is Christ's bride and the new Eve. So many layers.

>>17455630
>New Testament so kino in comparison to the OT
It isn't. The Old Testament is, overall, stylistically and poetically superior. Basically all of Ketuvim besides Chronicles, Daniel and Ezra is miles ahead of NT.

>decide that i shall read the NT for the first time
>reading John
>not even particularly "enjoying" it
>get chills, feel a cold breeze over me and start crying out of nowhere
uh, what the fuck?

>Come to me, all you that labour, and are burdened, and I will refresh you.
>Take up my yoke upon you, and learn of me, because I am meek, and humble of heart: and you shall find rest to your souls.
>For my yoke is sweet and my burden light.

>>17456012

>>17455630
KJV, NIV or NRSV?

Amen

>>17456012
this is literally what a groomer would say

ugh

>>17456029
ISV

>>17456038
post tits

>>17456029
The fornicator KJV vs the chaste Douay-Rheims

>>17456038
Groomers are evil because of the nature of manipulation for self fulfilling purposes and using someone innocent. Basically, they are playing God and corrupting the imprints of His nature. This is just a natural outcome of a fallen being in the image of God.

>>17456069
Furthermore, Jesus being fully human. (Not simply taking on the shape or form, gnostics BTFO) and living a perfect life of righteousness before God puts him as humanity's new Adam. Which means our new federal head, mediator king, and so on.

>I am with you always, even unto the end of the world

>Before the festival day of the pasch, Jesus knowing that his hour was come, that he should pass out of this world to the Father: having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

>>17456114
Literally bawling rn this thread is what I needed

>>17456029
ESV

>>17456029
Vulgata

>And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”
>And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
Is there a more kino passage in literature?

>>17455763
This. The OT is vastly superior

>>17456227
Hebrew detected

Obvious psyop thread

>>17456029
William Tyndale's (PBUH) New Testament
Luther's (PBUH) Bible

>>17455630
OT was written by barbaric goat sheepherders aka Jews.

>>17456220
one of the more debated one's as well.

Did he say "truly I say to you today, you will (at some point) be with me in paradise"

or

"truly I say to you, by the end of this day you will be with me in paradise.

>>17456029
nkjv or nasb, never the new revised shalom version

>>17456227
>>17455763
OT has better writing and more variety of plots, but somehow it lacks the spiritual intensity of the NT. For a non-believer or casual Christian OT will be more enjoyable, for someone looking for God NT all the way

>Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place
>Matthew 24:34
I really struggle with this. How do you guys reconcile Jesus' predictions seemingly not coming to pass?

>>17456012
Jesus was a proto marxist

>>17455630
Haven't gotten to the NT yet, but I'm slowly going through the Bible and the Book of Judges is incredible. You can see where heroes like Conan came from through guys like Samson.

>>17456176
>>17456114
Is the Bible helpful because it helps cope with feelings of loneliness, by placing some humanlike concept of a god in our consciousness? I mean is the reason you guys are crying, because you have deep feelings of being alone, and this book speaks to you on this level?

>>17456858
he was speaking specifically in reference to the coming destruction of Jerusalem at the hands of the Romans, which did take place within a generation give or take.

>>17456891
Better than Marx, he also stated the poor will always exist, while marx pretends communism will 'save' them from poverty

>>17455874
for me I always very vividly picture everything that I'm reading, maybe it's the same for you and you felt similar emotions to the apostles, regardless of Jesus having been or having not been God, he considered himself as such and so did his apostles

>>17456907
Not particularly.

>>17456926
It wasn't so much that, but it felt strongly consoling to read it and I felt moved out of nowhere, even though I'm not a believer. Something about the wording perhaps, a sort of consolatory majesty. I was reading the KJV for the record. I felt the same when reading Ecclesiastes

>>17456912
So as a poor person, I can at least be happy that all the rich people will go to hell right?

>>17456907
i don't think it's as reductive as lonely people wanting a shoulder daddy to cry on. there is an immense beauty in the idea of this man who has swallowed all the suffering this earth can dish out and still love. there's a quote by zizek that goes something like: christ is the friend who does something you're afraid of just to prove to you there's nothing to be afraid of.

>>17456939
Seems like that is what is causing you guys to cry, the passages in the bible is speaking to you on some emotional level and perhaps bringing out something repressed in you. Because thats why religion feels so good, feels better to imagine someone being in control and being with us, rather than the angst of being alone.

>>17456953
Thats a beautiful quote really - what book by Zizek is this from?

>>17455630
>>17455874
>>17456023
>>17456136
>>17456176
>crying as a grown man
Might as well start transitioning now you faggots.

>>17456960
He did just say that fulfilling some loneliness wasn't what was making him cry

>>17456969
yes it is and it has stayed with me for years. I want to say it's in Monstrosity of Christ. sorry dude would have posted the full passage if I could

>>17456974
Shhh Anon is projecting don't ruin his vibe

>>17456974
The passages was about God being with us always. I think for that to be beautiful and make someone cry, is the idea of not being lonely and having to be in the world alone. All these figures of christ are always this comforting figure, that makes everything in the world alright or make us feel better about existing.

>>17456960
>your religious feeling is just [teen movie trope/a pathology/recent american cultural phenomenon]
so fucking tired of this shit.

>>17456988
>so fucking tired of this shit.
Agreed and amplified and observed those integers as well.

>>17456988
America itself is a spiritual catastrophe

>>17456068
Can’t tell if Chaste is the Chad in this scenario

>>17456988
Okay, then explain what made you cry.
What in this book is making people so touched? And dont say its some special spiritual event, because people cry to movies and other media all the time.

>>17456946
Not necessarily all of them will, but the destructive ones likely will.
You can be happy knowing the rich stress about money as much or even more than you do, with the gamestop debacle as a fantastic case study.
People get money from rich people according to the rich people's "moral system", and the rich people freak out and shoot themselves in the foot calling for regulation and defying centuries of "free market" praise. And they don't even need the money they lost to continue their current lifestyle, let alone maintain survival.
They're miserable, even in this life.

>>17457012
I would rather be miserable in a mansion, than miserable in the streets.

>>17457006
I already did >>17456953

if this is just greek to you, I don't know go back to waiting for 1984 to arrive in the mail or something

>>17456960
>thats why religion feels so good, feels better to imagine someone being in control and being with us, rather than the angst of being alone.

But it's false. I'd rather live on in angst and reality than imagine the night light is chasing the boogie men away.

>>17457024
lol another analogy derived from childhood/adolescence. cretin

>>17457046
Not an argument.

>>17457021
No I didnt know you were the Zizek poster, I already asked for what book he said that in.
But why is the Bible so beautiful and can make grown men cry? I may be wrong but what is it? Is it the aesthetic of Christ as this figure of monumental willpower, is the the comforting aspect of helping us cope with angst? What is it? I never read it and its very foreign to me, because amongst all the beautiful passages we get the surreal creation stories that I dont even know if we are to take literally or interpret symbolically. Interpreting the Bible as anything, but literally God's word used to be a sin, so all the symbolic interpretations seem lackluster to me.

>>17457019
Then you'll live in static misery regardless of your surroundings

>>17456972
jesus wept

>>17457059
Why does Jesus say that rich people have a very hard time getting into the kingdom of heaven, but im supposed to believe theyre suffering just like me?

>>17457058
he's the egregore of the world's suffering incarnated as an all-loving man, it's one of the most beautiful ideas mankind has ever encountered regardless of what I think about the tradition as a whole.

>>17457058
Give your heart to Christ and find out, faggot.
Why do you gaytheists always want someone to hold your hand along your non-existant spiritual journey?

>>17457058
Have you never felt passion about anything in your life?
>uhhh how does this book that insists on eternal happiness and redemption through a loving, self-sacrificing God make anyone cry lmao?? Talk about a bunch of man children. Excuse me while I go cry to game of thrones / avengers instead; now that’s a true cathartic experience! Anyway, catch me at r/atheism, you are all a bunch of superstitious babies

>>17457078
Lol. Nailed that particular archetype on the head.

>>17457058
God made through flesh takes on the sins of humanity entire and sacrifices himself for their redemption. If that concept isn't compelling or moving to you at all then you lack imagination, and are perhaps autistic.

>>17457058
Read James' Variety of Religious Experiences

>>17456069
>>17456077
Based

>>17457091
>If that concept isn't compelling or moving to you at all then you lack imagination, and are perhaps autistic.
Bingo

>>17457074
Very true, its a beautiful thought at least. Perhaps I should read the bible out of appreciation for the ideas, and skip the parts that dont speak to me. However much of the original ideas behind Christ seems lost now, since even billionaires, pedophilic priests and mass murderers confess to him. Also the idea that God created this world and forbid us from exploring its beauties through science and philosophy seems wrong to me, and God in the bible comes across as a very ego driven psychopath torturing us for no reason. But then again, rhats the point for Zizek, to become atheist to fully grasp the Bible and God.
>>17457076
Isnt God metaphorically holding your hand through this life, and im the one supposed to be godless and alone

>>17457070
Because there's nothing that says those things are mutually exclusive, or that you have to suffer to get into heaven. Rich people struggle to get into heaven because they more often than not get there through exploitation and greed. Happy people dont treat people like expendable garbage.

>>17457078
People have replaced God with men for the power rush and then complain about how meaningless the world is

>>17457065
>jesus wept
What a fag lmao

>Take heart. I have overcome the world.
Bros....

>>17457110
>Isnt God metaphorically holding your hand through this life, and im the one supposed to be godless and alone

>>17457078
>strawman
Why do all christians short circuit once you ask anything about God or the Bible? Is that a side effect of being Christian, that youre so dogmatic even slight discussion of why you cry or analysing your emotions makes you think theyre somehow less valid?
I already stated how I find the idea of Christ beautiful yes, but that image of god doesnt live up to the modern conservative version where perverse priests get millions in donations from naive church goers. Was Jesus also just a money loving scoundrel, even though he specifically said rich people wont come into the kingdom of heaven?
Is crying to the Bible better than crying to some popculture superhero movie, when youre not even living a particularly religious life, but the same middle class lifestyle as everyone else, only you scowl at others for not being as holy as thou?

>>17457074
This. I'm not even sure if I could call myself a Christian but I cannot shake off the figure of Christ. No-one, not even Buddha or Socrates, is His equal in charisma. Even Nietzsche had to begrudgingly respect Him in this.

>>17456257
illiterate detected

>>17457140
Just read the Bible bro, and make up your own mind.

>>17457140
disassociate christ from christianity. i spit on the vatican. but christ makes me weep.

>>17457144
>I'm not even sure if I could call myself a Christian
The term "Christian" is indeed getting increasingly gay as of late (both figuratively and literally).

>>17457128
Full passage is kino as well
>“A time is coming and in fact has come when you will be scattered, each to your own home. You will leave me all alone. Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me. “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”
Basically Jesus is saying that the whole world has abandoned Him, but since He is in communion with the Father He is ready to sacrifice Himself for the world. I.e., He has overcome the world through His sacrifice, and through His sacrifice we will have peace.

>>17457149
I might at some point do it, but will probably only become more disillusioned of how this beautiful idea of Christ and self sacrifice is muddied by all the nonsensical stuff.

Genuine question for all the Christians here, how do you feel about reading the Bible symbolically? It seems very much the norm now, even though it used to be considered a sin to not take the Bible literally. This confuses me greatly as some people suggest not to take the allegories literally, but that they were written symbolically. However this contrasts many thousand years of faith where it was not interpreted as anything but one to one.

>>17457164
I didn't like your commentary at all. I very much like the pure text as it is quoted.

>>17457180
That’s fine lol. My own exegesis has no comparison to God’s inspired word.

While we're comparing the old and New testament I would challenge you to find two things in the olden New testament.

One of them is a mention of an eternal hell in the old testament. Nowhere in the old testament is there an eternal hell. You probably won't believe me so try to find it yourself.

Another thing is try to find any mention of an evil devil in the old testament. You are likely to find that the devil is actually just God's prosecutor in the old testament. Meaning his soul jobs to keep people accountable to God. And that he is not a rebel or someone who rejected God in the old testament.

>>17457176
>Genuine question for all the Christians here, how do you feel about reading the Bible symbolically? It seems very much the norm now, even though it used to be considered a sin to not take the Bible literally. This confuses me greatly as some people suggest not to take the allegories literally, but that they were written symbolically. However this contrasts many thousand years of faith where it was not interpreted as anything but one to one.

Well I want to say to this, that the Bible consists of many different books, and many different stories. They are written in different manners. Some are just historical accounts of things that happened quite literally, such as for example Numbers. Others are meant to be interpreted symbolically, such as for example Relevations, which is full of weird symbols.

>>17457176
judaistic claptrap. the bible is garbage, but there are some diamonds in the rough, and those diamonds are LUMINOUS

>>17457140
>was Jesus a money loving scoundrel
No he was nomadic and regularly criticized rich people as you said
>is crying to the bible better than pop culture
No, it's the arrogance that pop culture is more meaningful due to it's chronological proximity that I think anon was trying to criticize
>perverse priests get millions
Those are traitorous agents of degeneracy that keep critical would-be believers (potentially you) from embracing Christ by destroying his name for profit

>>17457200
How do I know which testament is true?

>>17457211
The Church Fathers put them both in the Bible for a reason. Think of the fact that the Bible was put together by a council of very smart people. All the books are in there for a reason, OT and NT both. It's meant to make you realize something through reading it. Something that the church fathers knew.

>>17457156
It's almost like bad actors are at work to erode morals from the last few institutions that uphold them through the temptation of glamorous popular approval.
Real Christianity has never been cool

>>17457211
only the NT, you can skip the OT except for Job/Ecclesiastes. read the gnostics, the Bible we got isn't Marcion's Bible we should have gotten

>>17457140
>Why do all christians
Not a Christian
>that youre so dogmatic even slight discussion of why you cry or analysing your emotions makes you think theyre somehow less valid?
I literally answered this already. I'm starting to think it's you and your attachment to psychology that is dogmatic here.
>No I know you're struck down by the immense reassurance of Christ, and his poetic promises, but... nobody ACTUALLY believes in that nonsense, right? At least not without some underlying condition or insecurity, right? Come on, think LOGICALLY for a second. Can we get some serious thinkers to analyze this phenomenon, like Freud? Can we stop fooling around with spirituality and come down to reality where we can explain this in psychological terms, like the lack of a father figure, or lack of direction in life, or insecurity about the afterlife? You think you can actually explain religious feelings without resorting to psychoanalysis? Get real! Anyway, I'll be back at r/atheism, feel free to stop by if your IQ is over 100 and you need true enlightenment.
You're pathetic.
>Is crying to the Bible better than crying to some popculture superhero movie?
Yes
>when youre not even living a particularly religious life, but the same middle class lifestyle as everyone else[?]
Yes, and get on with it
>only you scowl at others for not being as holy as thou?
This whole sentence is ridiculous, but anyway, you're the one smirking at religious fervour because of how enlightened you are. Maybe psychoanalyze your intellectual superiority or something.

>>17456972
imagine being this insecure

Why do horrible, inhumane, ungodly vulgar, unjust things happen to innocent people? Am I to believe that a Christian God has a plan for the millions of traumatized children and adults who have become lobotomized by their cruel experiences? If so, what is the next step of his master plan? I’ll come back in an hour and better have some (You)’s.

>>17457211
If you're Christian you have to believe both of them are true because Jesus said he came to fulfill the law. So while the old testament is not relevant to Christians today you must believe that everything in there is God's truth. Which makes it difficult because jesus's disciples preached of an evil saying and a eternal health which don't exist in the old testament

as far as the old testament's concerned only Jews can go to heaven everybody else goes to sheol and learns to become a Jew. To be honest both Judaism and Islam are more cohesive religions because they don't rely on other books. So you can not compare them to anything else to check their validity

>>17457176
>However this contrasts many thousand years of faith where it was not interpreted as anything but one to one.
Not true. Interpreting the entire Bible literally is a relatively new phenomenon. Symbolic readings go back to the church fathers. Christian fundamentalism itself is very new.

>>17457252
that's why only gnostic christianity makes sense. christ's father is not the god of this world.

>>17457252
Free human will. If God didn't give humans free will then His creation would have no meaning. Pain and suffering is the price for purpose.
Unjust actions will always fall on the innocent because that's what makes them unjust.
Christ's went out to the innocent to tell them specifically that there is a plan for them, in the face of Roman occupation and unjust persecution. The message is that there's power in letting persecutors act out their script until there's nobody to persecute and destroy but themselves.

>>17457329
no, stop repeating the lies that have mired this tradition in 2,000 years of talmudic nonsense. evil precedes man. christ's father did not create this world.

>>17456972
grow up

Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.

Only brainwashed christcucks think the NT is better

>>17457437
I'm an atheist and I thought the NT was better, but the Psalms was best of all. Although taken as a whole I found NT better

>>17456320
I assume the actual Greek makes this clearer since immediate entry to afterlife is the most common and traditional position. But I'm too lazy to research now.

>>17457176
Reading it purely symbolically causes logical problems. Starting from a faith based belief in Christ, certain things that are hard to accept need to be taken literally for things to make sense. I read the OT as 90% exaggerated but a literal Adam and Eve as common ancestors of humanity who were first rational and first sinned, some manner of literal flood, exodus, Davidic kingdom, all need to be true for the core message of Christianity to work. Same deal with NT demons being literal evil spirits, not just mental illness.

>>17457252
Most difficult question for Christianity. I have no satisfactory answer. Free will doesn't explain natural disasters, disease, etc. I just accept that an inscrutable God fits this confusing universe. Part of the reason I accept the impossible to truly understand trinity as well.

>>17457144
>No-one, not even Buddha or Socrates, is His equal in charisma
How would the encounter go between Jesus and someone like Buddha or Socrates? Other philosophers?

>>17457006
wow you're a fucking retard

why does God the father need to be omnibenevolent

>>17455630
>>17455754

bible means library

>>17456220
No, and there never will be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDcPFLCiqo4
It's so great that it works in any medium, you could make a puppet show around this scene and it would 100% be a tearjerker

>>17457147
>Oi vey da goyim know!

>>17458033
this really is a beautiful scene

>>17457923
didn't it mean book?

>>17456220
This is the greatest tearjerker in ever in literature

>>17456029
KJV everything else is inferior

>>17457347
and you stop spouting 1700 year old bullshit
Arian got fucked up and deserved it, now fuck off back to the Witness hall

>>17458036
know what? that you're a newfag reddit immigrant?

>>17457200
There's several passages where Christ speaks of throwing the unworthy into Gehenna and of a place where "there is weeping and gnashing of teeth". Just because it doesn't literally use the word hell doesn't mean the idea isn't there. There's also a lake of fire in Revelation.

>>17458229
>Buzzword buzzword buzzword

>>17458314
says the faggot screaming ''DA JOOZ!!!!!'' at every possible moment

>>17458318
>every possible moment
Not really, just when it's obviously a hebrew making a false post

OT is way better. My favourite part is when two angels visit Sodom and a bunch of homosexual rapists want to gangrape them all of a sudden. Lot wants to give them their fresh virgin daughters (which is a very weird cuck move btw, he shouldn't have done that) but then they just try to rape Lot instead.

>>17455630
For me it's Matthew 25:14.
>His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’
I always get teary when I'm alone and think of this passage.

>>17456029
ESV or NASB
>comparing translations unironically rather than learning Koine Greek

>>17456972
My dad wept when his mother died. He also wept when his father died. Crying is fine as long as you aren't pulling attention to yourself or doing it constantly. That I've seen him cry twice in my whole life, and that I was also close to my grandparents, brought me to tears in those two hospice rooms as well.

>>17455630
Read Job 38. I generally prefer reading the NT to the OT as well, but Job is absolute kino

>>17457459
>>17456320
> Luke 23:42
> καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ· Ἀμήν σοι λέγω σήμερον μετʼ ἐμοῦ ἔσῃ ἐν τῷ παραδείσῳ.
>σήμερον (translated as "today")
>https://biblehub.com/greek/4594.htm
>https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%83%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%BF%CE%BD

Further Analysis
καὶ - and
εἶπεν - he said
αὐτῷ· - to him (dative case third person pronoun)
Ἀμήν - truly
σοι - to you
λέγω - I say (first person verb)
σήμερον - today
μετʼ - preposition "with"
ἐμοῦ - me (genitive case)
ἔσῃ - future tense to be verb
ἐν - preposition "in"
τῷ - definite article (dative case)
παραδείσῳ. paradise (dative case)

The English translation is accurate. It is not an indefinite future.

>>17457728
I think there's a manga about Jesus and Buddha being bros.

>>17455630
While I loved the gospels I felt I haven't really gotten much from the epistles. Except from maybe Romans and Corinthians.

>>17456858
If that's the passage I think it is, where He talks about the Son coming into His kingdom, you have to remember that six days after He said this, the apostles witnessed the transfiguration. Alternativelty He could be referring to His resurrection or the rapid procession of the Church (kingdom) itself.

>>17456910
>“Immediately after the suffering of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see ‘the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven’ with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Sounds like the end of the world to me.

>>17458834
The quote you've just posted is in reference to something else - the Final Judgement. Of this, Jesus himself says further down in the text that not even He (His human will, I think) knows the hour.

>>17458834
>>17459019
Ah, no, now I've caught up. The "generation" He is referring to here is likely meant in a racial or a tribal sense rather than generation in terms of "all the people living at this time."

>>17459043
How does that make any sense in this context?

>>17459084
what do you mean?

>>17458549
That’s different then crying because your a faggot christcuck

>>17459117
Translating generation as race.

>>17459134
Generation can be taken to mean race as in psalm 24:6 - "Such is the generation of those who seek him, who seek your face, God of Jacob."

>>17459166
Can mean, but that doesn't mean it does in any context.

Do you think Jesus is waiting for Hitler to come back and finish the job or something?

>>17456069
Based and augustine pilled

>>17459215
What? No. Where are you getting that? It simply means that this race (of men) shall not pass away until Final Judgement is complete, which makes sense. As to which race/tribe, it's ambiguous, but, in context, it can only mean men in general.

>>17459220
>>17459246
Particularly when you realise He compares "this generation" with the generation prior to Noah in this very section. That generation (of men generally) was wiped away by the flood; this generation (of men generally) shall swept up (in part).

>>17459264
*be swept up

>>17457234
You shouldn't be so belligerent anon. Your attack on his character and putting words into his mouth could lead him away from God. Always be kind to sceptics. All you can do is be compassionate to them.

>>17457110
>skip the parts that dont speak to me
Don't read it with that thought in mind, anon. The Bible is meant to be seen as an unity. Each part complements the other.

>>17457913
Because he is Good himself.

imo it's because the old testament is obviously older, it's very esoteric and blunt in a way that dampens the soul

>>17459539
based marcionposter. the true god had no hand in evil

>>17459559
I'm no heretic. Evil is everything that goes against God's Will.
God created everything from nothing. Doing evil is basically regressing to nothing.

>>17459599
he could have made it so it wasn't threatened by nothingness. like I said, true god had no hand in evil

>>17456972
The only acceptable times to cry are for family and for God.

>>17457252
ask yourself this, when is suffering ever justified? The answer of course we both know, it's in fiction, in great masterpieces characters suffer all manner of tragedies, yet you would not raise arms against the author of a book because he is cruel to his made-up people of his made-up fairy tale. This world is not the end all be all, were this world all there is and all there ever was then plenty of things would be absolutely retarded about it and make no sense (for instance the simple fact that consciousness can be aware of its logical inconsistencies -why is there change? Why here and now? Why the fuck fingers in my hands etc etc). All suffering here feels real and yeah we all will die and it is for real, but this world is just a temporary place of exile, and inb4 hurr muh talking snake, a talking snake makes as much sense as one that slithers about.

>>17459619
>God should have made the universe the way I want
really?

>>17459645
"God" should have made the universe he claims to be.

>>17459666
What does he claim to be, satan?

>>17459672
All-powerful love.

>>17459682
I don't see where is the contradiction.

>>17459688
If he's all-powerful, he could make it so creation isn't threatened by nothingness. Are we going to do this again?

Imagine worshipping a literal kike on a stick and crying over his death. Literal anime-tier manchildren.

>>17459666
>666
kek

>>17459695
Who killed Christ? Say it.

21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you(jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

john 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

>>17459694
We came full circle. Refer to >>17459645

>>17459712
>oh no jews outjewed a jew!
Happens all the time, retard, also it was I, my ancestors who murdered that desert nigger shitbag, jews were powerless in the Roman empire

>>17459666
Kek nice try Satan
>>17459700
Blessed dubs are checked, thank you for outing him anon

>>17459716
retard

>>17459766
>the problem of evil is satanic
you can't make this shit up

>>17459720
Is there a difference between a Talmudic Jew and a Christian Jew? Think.

>>17459818
No, they're both followers of the same suicidal cult that plagues the west

For me it’s Matthew 16:28

>>17459845
Now you're applying your own definitions to words. Seek help.

To Catholics in this thread, remember that today is the newly instantiated Human Fraternity Day, and to show God's love to the Jews, so that they will abandon their Jewy ways.

>>17456353
>>17455763
i like both of these opinions

>>17455874
>overhyped work makes NPC's elicit correct response

This is no better than tony stark died omg:(((

>>17456077
Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.


I hate kikes so much

>>17455630
Christianity is just sentimentality.
At least for 99% of followers.

>And Jesus said: Neither will I condemn thee. Go, and now sin no more.

>>17456910
this

https://www.revelationrevolution.org/

>>17460106
Way of the Heart, according to Gurdjieff. Can't understand how it works myself.

>>17455630
I grew up a Jew and rejected god when I was a teenager then became an atheist nihilist edgelord and wanted to kill myself till I read VALIS by Philip K. Dick and the gospels and something opened deep in my heart. I started to pretend as if god exists and when I started doing psychedelics I was convinced that the transcendent IS real.
What's the most based Christian denomination?

>>17460206
Catholicism, if you ignore the insurgent pedophile charlatans destroying its reputation. Pic related

>>17460206
Eastern Catholicism.

>>17460206
Anyone in communion with Rome is equally based, as all are part of Gods church.

>>17455630
OP the best part about this isn't the part people get caught up on, in my opinion. it's not the being lost or being found part. it's that. it's that it's the person who struggles who is deserving of praise, even if the outcome is the same. if you have a person who was programmed to be good from birth, and the rut that they travel around in is good, and everything they do is good because that's the easiest thing for them to do, and that's their default setting, okay, they have everything. but others struggle and their default setting is different and when they do good, they do exactly the same thing, but it takes effort, it takes so much effort, constantly under the burden, gravity always weighing everything down. and it's that person who should get the praise, who needs the praise. it makes no sense to allocate the praise differently, and this parable is right.

>>17455630
based af OP. I remember the first time I cried at Mark.

>>17456891
Jesus wasn't against rich people or social classes. After all, he was from the royal lineage of David. A good christian can have servants but he should treat them well, all people deserve respect but they should also know their place.

>>17460556
>I remember the first time I cried at Mark.
You've cried reading the bible multiple times? That's pretty funny.

>>17460638
>implying
Nigga. I remember the first time I was born, too.

>>17460675
>I remember the first time I was born, too.
Yesterday?

>>17456114
>For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

>>17460216
This is the correct answer. There's good Christians everywhere but the Catholic Church is the Church. There's a reason why pedos, freemasons and communists all worked to infiltrate it with such vigour, because it's the real deal.

>>17460839
Does that mean there's a reason why your pedo church persecuted the gnostics? :^)

>>17460549
Well put Anon

>>17460845
Because a church is a human institution and capable of human mistakes?
No meat on Fridays in lent was selfishly invented to assist Vatican investments but Lenten fish fries in the Midwestern US are one of the most beautiful events on the planet. Because Catholics overcome the Vatican's greatest sins

>>17460549
so it's a participation trophy

>>17460845
Gnostics are literally heretical

>>17461012
i feel very sad for you if the only conception of positive feedback you were ever given is "participation trophy"

>>17455630
Ecclesiastes 1:4-7 are my favorite

>>17461025
Think for yourself

>>17460955
??? it's supposed to be the church of christ on earth, if it can still fall prey to human weakness what good is it? I get the guys at the bottom, but the proto-orthodoxy persecuting gnostics and the medieval church burning cathars alive? vatican is the seat of satan

>>17460146
>No your denomination is bad because it got rid of the schizo heresy I LARP as

>>17461100
>No your denomination is bad because it got rid of the schizo heresy I LARP as

Bros, I hate the human race so much. Hatred and bitterness is finally winning me over, and I am gradually feeling unable to love any longer. How do you overcome these feelings? Please pray for my soul.

>>17461100
>Think for yourself

I do which is why any cult proclaming to offer some gnosis or secret knowledge available to the enlightened and in-the-know is literally a heretical nonsense.

>>17457110
>Also the idea that God created this world and forbid us from exploring its beauties through science and philosophy seems wrong to me
What? Protestantism really did a number on anglos. Come home, bros. We’re happy to have you all.

>religionfags eating each other

>>17461199
Prayers inbound, anon.
The scariest thing about the war against hatred is that it begins and ends in the individual soul.
I overcame hatred by forcing myself to read the words of people I hated (e.g. white fragility) and exercising regularly.
Exercise eases your aggression, which is the most common trigger for hatred.
Reading enough extremist stuff like white fragility shows you how stupid and repulsive your own hatred is.
Read the Screwtape Letters by CS Lewis to help you. Even if you have no plans of converting to Christianity C.S. Lewis is fantastic.
After that read Abolition of Man by him. It really helps you brace yourself against the corpse of transcendental values being waved around today.

>>17461261
>He doesn't know about different denominations so he thinks there all separate religions

>>17455763
True but the NT reads more like a traditional novel then the OT. The poems and fables are nice, but for the majority of people who better grasp the beginning—>middle—>end format of story telling, it makes sense that the NT is way more popular. Also Jesus is in it and that’s all that most people care about.

>>17461294
>He doesn't know how to parse a 4 word post.

>>17456029
NASV you plebeian. There are parts reworded or completely omitted in the KJV to better fit the interpretation of Catholicism as practiced in England at the time. The NASV is a much more modern translation that retains everything that could possibly be translated. Unfortunately the original bible is written in Hebrew and Greek and is virtually untranslatable to English, but it’s the best we’re gonna get.

>>17461331
*NASB, my bad.

>>17461303
>Can't make a legitimate argument so he just whines about grammar
Dumb frogposter

>>17457110
>forbid us from exploring it
I don't blame you for believing this. Anyone who's telling you there's no room for science with Christianity is either an atheist who pays no attention to the toxic grip they have on their ideology, or a power-hungry pseudo-pastor who has no intent of appreciating actual Christianity. This world is beautiful and we have a duty to got to explore it.
I recommend watching the episode "Club Spongebob" from the animated television show "spongebob squarepants."
It unironically represents the issue pretty well, and is funny.

>>17461344
You can't beat this guy. Smug anime girls always prevail over frogs and sojaks.

>>17461344
>grammar
Frog was right, you literally can't read.

>>17461383
Nice projection there bro

>>17461404
>Microsoft Edge

>>17461160
Yes.

>>17461209
moooooo

>>17461331
>Unfortunately the original bible is written in Hebrew and Greek and is virtually untranslatable to English
but let's base all our thinking, lives and society on this trash translation...?

>>17456972
Typical emotionally damaged american

>>17461404
based retard

>>17461290
Thank you. I’m already a Christian, I exercise, and I have read Screwtape Letters. I‘ve just been feeling so angry, irascible, and demoralized lately. People are in an awful mood due to this quarantine and it’s becoming harder and harder not to hate them all. I rationally understand it is due to our fallen state, but man I just can’t love like this. I can’t do it. I need a miracle.
Gonna pray for you too tonight anon. God bless.

>>17456891
No, marx was just heavily influenced by the slave morality of Christianity,

>>17457152
>disassociate Christ from his apostles and their Church
can't do it - if you really want to weep wait until you find out what beauty lies in his teaching correctly interpreted and passed down continuously.

>>17461340
>>17461331
The only pure translations are KJV and Dhouay rheims, they stand out in Corinthians

>>17456029
KJV OR DHOUAY RHEIMS

>>17461344
>The legitimate argument is that you can't read.

>>17456907
No, I involuntarily cried in one part (so far) because some verses are so pure with love.

>>17461898
hahahahahahahahaha

>>17461903
kek mutts have forfeited the right to talk shit after last year. go wear your cuck muzzle pussy

>>17458244
I've read Revelation and it's the most nonsensical book in the entire Bible. It makes no sense and there's literally some question if it should be even included into the Canon. As far as I can tell it only makes sense if you read it from the perspective of a Jew or Christian writing about Nero

>>17456972
have u even listened to 30 seconds to mars

>>17455630
Not Christian but there is something about Christian religiosity that moves me to tears. The New Testament is a beautiful story and full of human wisdom and love.

If there really was a capital G God (which I'm not 100% sold on) I imagine it would be the God of the Christians.

>>17462126
A dragon hoards gold, a dragon is rich.

The dragon is = high net worth individual with flashy technology.

The mark is an intermediary technology between man and machine(transhumanism), not a vaccine because a shot goes in the arm, vs a mark(RFID chip(wires, screen)) in the head or in the hand.

>>17462725
What argument holds you back?

>>17457252
Karma based on past lifetimes

>>17457252
What may appear to be an illness that comes from nowhere is actually the tainted artificial foods with ingredients that trigger if certain conditions (race, build up) are met.

Is it possible that the bible was just a novel taken too seriously? Like what if it was just a fantasy series that retards thought was non fiction?

>>17462751
No particular argument. I just haven't seen or felt God's presence myself the way some Christians said they did (the Holy Spirit speaking to them or something), so it would be foolish to profess belief in something I can't 100% believe in yet. That would be dishonesty, and lying is not only a Christian sin but a generally shitty thing to do.

>>17455630
The most based and badass verse in the entire Holy Bible is probably Psalm 22:1
>My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
KJV

>>17462772
1. No, because RFID chips fit the description perfectly in Revelation, transhumanism kills the spiritual, the return.

2. Battle of the Milvian Bridge 28th Oct, 312 (No incentive for Constantine)

3. Instances similar to: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/exorcist-expertise-sought-after-saskatoon-possession-1.1198875

4. Judges 10:6 KJV aligns with historians

5. https://youtu.be/uv6KLbkvua8?t=2209
Billionaire shed light on a rare pov

6. "11 Times the Old Testament Predicts Jesus' Birth and Death"

And all this excludes what I do not know.

>>17462787
Take the first step towards him, read the KJV new testament with humility. There is no downside to taking the leap of faith, your loyal attempt to connect with the one will be acknowledged. The most I have felt is an odd feeling in the core of your body like an electric current undervolted, supposedly you only see God if you have a pure heart. Try to follow the commandments, pray honestly, humbly, fast consistently. Read slowly with the intent to learn, if you're not underlining the significant parts of the dialogues that reveal esoteric wisdom then reread the dialogue. The ancient Greeks recognized the power of belief (synonym for trust) and Christ too brings it up. Notably when the disciples are failing to command evil spirits. Go, read.

>>17462856
Do you think this world is heaven? No. This is a test. Do you think ridicule will help you on judgement day? Karmic law is visible either in the short term or long term across generations, I have seen it occur within seconds with my eyes. Carry your cross, does that process not seem like insanity? So why do you think Christ and the persecuted and the tortured tried to? What did you think Plotinus meant when he said "Mankind is poised midway between the gods and the beasts." ?

Your flesh isn't permanent, if righteous, the world after this one should give you no fear it is a transfer of awareness into another realm. I have felt something never before felt, that is why I type to you, ultimately your decisions are yours. Believe me or not, your choice.

>>17455630
>“Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?

>“And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

>>17458524
>not just reading the KJV like a normal non-retarded english speaking person

>>17463004
Not that other anon but KJV has outdated and inconsistent uses of evil and repented to in relation to God's actions so retards will be confused. Unfortunately the world is made up of retards.

>>17460216
Oh, we got caught diddling kids? Well here's a 700 page encyclical on why it's actually Kant's fault, and why we are actually the victims here. It's even written in Latin!

Post some Yes Jesus memes. I love them

How do you convince a Muslim to give his life to Christ? As a Muslim whose been reading a lot of catholic literature, I find a lot of it very appealing, though I know for certain God sent His third book to Muhammad.

>>17460614
>Jesus wasn't against rich people
'it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God'

>>17464342
Pluck out your own eye since you want to be so simple in your reading.

>>17464361
>the literal word of god
>noooo my autistic macroscopic reinterpretation is correct because it means I'm not wrrrrong
Kill yourself.

>>17464378
Why aren't you plucking your eye out? I'm serious, hold hat passage to the same interpretive standard.

>>17460216

Where's this from?

>>17464389
Hold hat? Plucking eyes? How do I pluck the eyes out of a needle? What the fuck are you even talking about, retard.

>>17464471
Matthew 5:29 my friend. Unless you're being deliberately obtuse.

>>17464471
It's a reference to Matthew 18:9. You never heard of it? I figured you were just being a fedora and trying to dunk on Christians by posting bible quotes without understanding them.

>>17464492
My eyes don't offend, it's your dumb hands that are the problem.

>>17456176
Blessed