/lit/ - Literature

Based Bakkerchads running out the plebs in these threads. When did he get so big all of a sudden? I was shilling him 2013

>Your love, worship, adoration, devotion.
>Your life.
>Your eternal soul.
Give it them to me now and no one gets hurt.

>>17437301
Bakker isn’t good he’s just the perfect level of unknown for contrarians on 4chan to shill him. His prose is good but it’s nothing more than window dressing to a paint by numbers tolkien ripoff with some dark edginess to it
>but grey characters
Not surprising for post modernism. Thanks for the (you)s in advance

>>17437323
Yes, Warrior-Prophet.

>>17437301
This general is just famished for anything else desu. I remember people taking TUC's events pretty badly back when it came out in 17.

>>17437337
By the end, Esmi hated Kell. I also believe that Kell actually loved her, in his autistic, vestigial-emotions way.

>>17437335
filtered hard.

>NOOOO THERE ARE NO BAKKER FANS ITS ALL ONE SHILL

wrong nigga

>>17437335
DITY?

>>17437335
Reminder you should only express your opinions if you know the shit you're talking about or you'll sound like this pretentious retard.

>>17437428
Which is what I did :)

>tfw no salvation

>>17437413
Reporting in. I swear Bakker's books are soft disclosure on things that might actually be true, like the elites being depraved occult omniphiles who glimpsed the real world equivalent of the Inverse Fire.

>>17437472
oh so that's why they have the abortion face cream, to keep them alive as long as possible and stem off their unavoidable damnnation

>>17437414
>To know Bakkaro owns this general.

Maybe by our joint forces of wills we will make him write

>>17437472
like the nature of women

>>17437452
>bro, I know why you faggots read this, it's just hipster contrarianism
>dude Tolkien

>>17437508
god i wish

>>17437508
I want to read God of Nothing so bad

Why would the sorcerers prevent the no-god if it's their only hope to avoid eternal suffering?

>>17437580
>he hasn’t taken the mangaecca pill
“n-no you can’t just overrun the entire earth with murderrape monsters”
haha inverse fire go brr

>>17437580
which sorcerors? Most of them don't even think the no god is real or know what it does or what damnnation is

also TAE spoilers kellhus tells them they all go to heaven actually so no probs bro!

>>17437414
Needs a little pink/red spot on Proyas's seat
>>17437580
The sorcerers try to prevent Resumption believe religiously in the holiness of the Aspect Emperor and the cleansing of their sins if they succeed, or are Mandate so they have the double onus of belief in the emperor, and the wretched dreams of Seswatha goading them on.

What was Kellhus' fucking problem?

>>17437622
the darkness that comes before

>>17437301
Domination. Over threads and flamewars. Over the archives and memes. Over the genre itself, down through the skins of /sffg/’s countless posts. No Anon had ever possessed such might. His memes held a power and potency that not even the Jannies, who must ration themselves across all threads, could hope to counter, short of scooping themselves hollow and forever dwelling as phantoms.

For those who worshipped him as a god, he remained a humble Bakker-shill, possessing but one intellect, two hands, and one pirated copy of Adobe Photoshop—great, perhaps, in proportion to his innumerable lurkers and haters, but scarcely a mote on the surface of something inconceivable. He was no more a prophet than an architect or any other who wrenches his conception into labourious reality. All the futures he had raised had been the issue of his toil...

“No!” she screeched. “Noooo! Not him! Not him!” She swiped at her husband’s face, fingers drawn into claws. Blood welled across his cheek, spilled into his flaxen beard. “You!” she raged, her eyes wide with horror at what she had done—at what he had permitted her to do. “You’re the monster! The accursed deceiver! Akka saw it! Akka knew all along!”

The Holy Aspect-Emperor closed his eyes then opened them.

“You’re right, Esmi. I am a monster … The monster this World needs.


...


“Are you going kill me?” Kelmomas finally asked. He could speak anything here, he understood, so long as it was to the point.

“No.”

He lies! Lies!

“Why?” Kelmomas croaked, a burning about his lips and eyes. “Why spare me?”

“Because it would kill your mother.”

Theliopa’s answer—and mistake.

>>17437661
BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED

holy fuck this board has actually been taken over by straight prince of nothing spoilers and posts. im super hyped cause it seems like a cool series with demons and lovecraftian horror mixed with fantasy which is basically everything i want from a book but goddamn have we ever done this with anything else?
i wouldnt be surprised if sales have actually climbed a bit since /sffg/ started shilling it
the only other time ive seen this was with dfw and infinite jest back in 2015

>>17437527
Yeah, and?

>>17437692
Better question is why did he allow Kelmomas to escape? Kellhus knows he's a genius, and that Esmenet is stupid as well as simping for anything that came out of her. Unless he was really losing it or getting overwhelmed, which is hard to believe, he had to have let it happen on purpose. But if so, why order him to be imprisoned at all?

>>17437335
>t.hasn’t read Nietzsche.

>>17437413
How is Neuropath? is it all "muh qualia, muh cog-sci, muh neurosci, muh we're-all-atoms-and-chemicals-and-there's-no-free-will"?

>>17437692
You are by far the worst Bakkertard on this general, followed very closely by the dumb faggots posting spoilers without a second thought.

>>17437792
yeah, it's basically really grimdark contemporary philosophy of mind, crypto-gnosticism, herodotus, lovecraft, and lord of the rings all in one

>>17437850
he absolutely was losing it and getting overwhelmed to some extent, he tells proyas near golgotterath he can no longer lie because it adds too many variables

>>17437916
oi moi8 what if this crazy kellhus type neurosointist right? wot if he was bloody friends with this guy yeh? and loike, he ends up working for da fookin cia an' tortrin people and that, and he loike turns off cunts brains with magnits and fukin becomes a fookin serial killer loik that jeffrey dahma yeh? It's loike, the human mind yeah, it's just a machine... and machines can be broken..

it's pretty good

>is it all "muh qualia, muh cog-sci, muh neurosci, muh we're-all-atoms-and-chemicals-and-there's-no-free-will"?

it's kind of this, also it's also possible using current science or near future science, pretty scary stuff!

>>17437966
Bakker is christpilled, sort of.

>>17437994
>Bakker is christpilled, sort of.
How?

>>17437995

>>17437998
hopes God is real

>>17437998
>"I hope there's a God"
>Paints most vivid and excruciating image of damnation since Hieronymous Bosch; unironically convinces many readers to fearfully consider the consequences of sin and the fate of their immortal souls

>>17438034
yes I'm glad I'm not the only one who understands just how horrific his vision of damnation is. randomly hit me in the middle of the night few months ago that Damnation might just be real and this universe exists to marinate our souls for the seething demonic hellpit waiting for us on the other side. sometimes I wish I could unread Bakker.

>>17438051
Well, as Nietzsche says, if hell is real, then we'll see each other there.

>>17438067
bruh chill i dont want to get raped for eternity

>>17437830
are you seriously too dumb to get the point here?

>come up with characters and plot
>ready to write the Next Decent Fantasy Novel
>start writing
>keep having to stop to worldbuild
>it is not easy
I will not read Sanderson's books but I will stop shitting on him I think. Worldbuilding (in a way that's actually useful for writing and not just DND jackoff shit) sucks.

>>17438187
For every writer who hates worldbuildling, there is a worldbuilder who struggles with writing.

Ask around here and /tg/, there are lots of anons who would be more than happy to help you with your setting.

>>17438113
The only point you made is that you’re wrong and I’m right

>>17438187
>>17438195
yeah just steal some nerds worldbuilding lol

>>17438198
I accept your surrender

>>17438034
>memed into religion by king of the edgelords
Are Bakkerfags really this gullible?

>>17438211
I know you say this just to sound intellectual. It never sounds intellectual.

>>17438212
disengenous way of putting it

>>17438187
I don’t even bother world building at all. It’s white rooms all the way, baby.

>>17437290
Murder by Other Means, The Dispatcher #2 - John Scalzi
Performed by Zachary Quinto
Length: 3.5 hours
On a whim I'm trying out some audiobook original exclusives. I haven't listened to an audiobook before. I rated the first book 2.5/5 so I didn't have high expectations, which is fine because I wouldn't want to ruin something worthwhile. I don't know if it's the quality of my speakers, something about this voice, or both, but I immediately didn't like how it sounded. So I opened a different one and it wasn't a problem, so I may just have a problem with this one in particular. I've seen various people say that the narrator can make or break a book and that already seems apparent. I didn't try to increase the play speed, regardless of whether that would be advisable or viable. Since each character had a different voice used for them, it wasn't difficult to know who was speaking, despite it only being a single person speaking. The "female" voices were somewhat distracting. By ten minutes in, I had adjusted to listening to it. I doubt I'd be able to focus on it for the entire duration if the only thing I was doing was listening, so I was doing other activities that didn't require much effort or focus the entire time. By an hour in I was relatively comfortable. I listened to all 3.5 hours in one sitting.
As per the first book, this is a continuation of the protagonist from the first story. In this world, 999 of 1,000 times when someone is killed they revive where they feel safest. The protagonist is a licensed and bonded killer for hire, called a dispatcher. He does it for people who want to or need to die, but don't want to do it themselves or don't have anyone else who wants to do it for liability reasons. His primary job is meant to be killing for insurance purposes, mostly preventing natural deaths and disabilities to avoid insurance payouts, but it's so much more lucrative and steady to do illegal jobs. A new craze is that being killed is the fastest form of transportation and that's where the story begins. As with the first one, this is an investigation story, where a number of seemingly unconnected events turn out to be a single conspiracy.
I don't know if this was somewhat better than the first one or if I was less critical of it because I was doing other tasks and wasn't giving it undivided attention. I don't think I missed anything and I didn't have to "rewind" it at any point, but it was a relatively simple story that was probably majority dialogue. There wasn't anything notable about it, for better or worse, so it made for suitable listening while doing other stuff.
Overall this worked out better than expected and I'll be trying out some others over the next few weeks. This may be the only review that goes into detail about the listening experience, since it was the first time I did so. I still don't think I could just listen to it though or be doing anything that requires focus while doing so.
Rating: 3/5

>>17438217
Heh I've actually never typed that surrender line before, shit I don't even know what you were replying to, your dumb post was just ripe for the reply.

>>17438623
I accept your idiocy.

>>17438643
I accept your trans status.

>>17438248
I mean more the history of the world and the cities in it. My main character is a history nerd who gets to go on an adventure, so I need some history AND a shitload of names.

>>17438195
I don't really feel like I need help, and it's more YAish than I feel like /tg/ would be into.

>>17438187
What difficulty are you having with it? Are you out of ideas, or do you think it's too much of a chore to do it?

Why do fantasy authors give such specific information about their worlds history that always correct? I started reading a bit of medieval celtic literature and throughout it, it will state a version of events but then say "but others say this that and the other happened". I feel the conflicting information of the history makes the world feel much more alive. If the annals of a fantasy world are always bang on, it just makes the world feel sterile.

Welcome to the Inverse Fire viewing party.

Complimentary drinks and Emwama-oil at the entrance. The Larvals will be doing coat-check, and we have a very special guest DJ spinning tonight, the one and only DJ Bloodless Sujara, all the way from Siöl.

>>17438761
Tolkien would sometimes give conflicting information, but that was more of a product with how LOTR was structured with the frame narrative.

I'm guessing that modern fantasy authors don't want people to think they made a mistake with inconsistent information. But it makes sense that some characters will provide wrong information, whether because they're lying, have been lied to, or are otherwise just mistaken. I'm writing a story where there's official histories as told by the dominant religion that differ from what actually happened as told by people who were alive at the time

>>17438776
It's *complementary*, illiterate Ketyai filth.

>I'm guessing that modern fantasy authors don't want people to think they made a mistake with inconsistent information.

yeah that's a pain, sometime I want to spell something wrong or use the other homophone, but most people would assume it's a mistake if you aren't a revered author

>>17438776
I assume the emwama will be in attendance

>>17438798
no retard the drinks compliment you

>>17438714
It just slows down writing. Also, coming up with names sucks.

>>17438761
Most stories are set within particular locales/cultures. Stories would change across boundaries the plot doesn't cross.

>>17438817
Can you explain how that would work, genius. Do you think this is Harry Potter and the drinks are like a pensieve that happen to compliment you? They're complementary as in they complete or go with the going party.

>>17438834
You really shouldn't be worldbuilding when you sit down to write. It's a waste of time. Just write your story and use placeholders for names and history if you have to

So is Khellus ultimately good? Bad? Retarded?

I started writing chapters for a pulp space sci-fi anthology I might try and publish someday. Let me know what you think if you end up reading.

Chapter 1: https://pastebin.com/dmYSLXKC
Chapter 2: https://pastebin.com/45MuYJAX

>>17439171
Anthology means multiple authors.

>>17439183
i guess its time to delete my post then

>>17439183
He identifies as multiple authors

bakkerbros I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna post the one mistake in the series

the shadow walk shit they did to get into the city in TWP, never mentioned again and was a bit of an asspull, it would have come in handy as well

>>17439088
perhaps you should learn to spell a mans name before you ask about his character

He is... beyond good and evil

tm

>>17437335
You need to be 18 to post here.

What does /sffg/ think of self-inserts? Are they acceptable, and if so, how can they be done right?

>t. working on my novel. they say write what you know.

>>17439462
Self-inserts are never acceptable unless it's just some minor character not relevant to the story.

Attention fellow Hometrash: Hussie's VN is coming out in a couple of days. Apparently

>>17439462
There's nothing wrong with drawing deeply from your own experiences, in fact it can make a book very rich. Just don't be masturbatory

>>17438187
I feel like 'worldbuilding' is something that should occur naturally. It's one thing to compile notes about your setting as you write to maintain consistency, another thing entirely to remove yourself from the ongoing creative process to accompish the same thing. Don't approach it from the perspective of 'the author' or, like, 'God', but from that of a person within your setting.

why was the night's watch mantained if everyone thought the white walkers were a myth?
horseless steelless wildings shouldn¨t be enough of a bother

Yesterday i finished reading Worldwar series (all 8 books)
First four books were sort of amusing but then it turned into a slog of huge proportions. I am talking bad parts of the old testament level of boring. I have to say that this is something i have only encountered in american literature, they have these sloooow books. It can work (thin red line etc) but when it doesnt and shit authors just write pages and pages of everyday minutia it ruins my day. Is there a cultural reason for this that I as a eastern euro just wouldnt know?

Also Cnaiur is the best character, fuck the Aspect Emperor up his demigod ass

>>17440063
He wishes.

So I read the passage about black seed. Is it weird that I didn't want to finish the book but now I want to read on?

>>17440032
wildlings regulargly climbed over the wall and raided the north, they had like 1 man for every 300m of wall

>>17440063
well americans are kind of slow so naturally things have to be slowed down a little bit so they dont just give up on the book because they cant follow it

ok but now that the dust has settled, just what the hell was apollyon's shootist?

Tell me.
Has /sffg/ grasped the Absolute?

>>17440032
It was a great excuse to ship all the thieves, rapists, murderers and troublemakers in Westeros to the ass-end of nowhere and have them die there without causing any further trouble or expense, as housing them in prison would have done.

>>17440032
They policed the Gift, which was essentially a very thin but also very long fief stretching from coast to coast along the wall.

It's not like it's prime real estate: it's very cold and there are frequent wildling attacks. Why not have your violent rejects take care of it?

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>I N C E L
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>Y A
>T R I G G E R
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Hey bakkerbros, the discord chads are reading Prince of Nothing starting Feb 28th:
KWPCM7m

>>17441507
We actually won, Bakkerchads

>discord
Yeah no I ain't joining the Sranc horde.

Fuck E William Brown

>>17441507
Skin-spy detected

>>17441507
>Discord
>Chads

>>17441515
>Yeah no I ain't joining the Sranc horde.
Ok, Anonymous.

>>17441514
NEIL NO

>>17441514
>neck training
utter chad

There will be a 4th book in the Kingkiller Chronicles 'trilogy' because Rothfuss can't finish the story in the 1 remaining book he has.
People been waiting near a decade for book 3 and he's like "lol there's actually a book 4, gonna be another 20 years before you get that tho!"

>>17441659
>Would you like to join my polycule?

Bakkar posters are ruining SFFG.

>>17441659
Manage your expectations!

>>17437323
Your shards or your life.

>>17441744
>Bakkar posters are ruining SFFG.

>>17441763
I-is that Sandaro?..!!
A juggalo???

>>17441777
are you the poster that made fun of me for liking YA fantasy?

>>17441811
Does it trouble you?

>>17441744
I am a Bakkerposter and I agree. I liked it more when it was just a few posts about him instead of half the general.
It is as if /sffg/ has been seized by some kind of madness.
Stop eating the Meat please.

Just started this book today! I'm not generally a fan of fantasy, but I'm enjoying it so far. What does /sffg/ think of it?

>>17441825
The Meat has taken the General.

Is the expanse worth a read?
I want some space opera

>>17441934
it's pozzed, show is said to be better

>literal childrens book has better worldbuilding than 95% of modern fantasy books

pour one out for my homie deltora, Leif and not Prandine ok?

>>17441950

>>17441957
does it make you angry that Sanderson is better than Bakkar? does that upset you?

>>17441957
that image is fucking gross why do you have it saved you freak

>>17441962
>A retard after all.

If I post an excerpt from my novel in progress, will you guys mock me?

>>17441934
Currently reading Cibola Burn and I don't really like the series. I just want to get through it since I like dropping series even less.
>most of the characters are really stupid
>Belters are even more insufferable than in the tv series
>it constantly gives off these "bruh science" vibes, like someone's high school SCIENCE IS AWESOME phase
>the authors constantly seem to drop facts and go on tangents, that sound as if something they just recently saw on National Geographic
>none if the imagery is very memorable, despite having super advanced alien technology and worlds
>human technology is boring as well
Its just dull and there is absolutely nothing that would stick with you.
If you want some kind of hard-sci fi or space opera then I'd rather check out Watts or Reynolds.

>>17442027
After this post? Most certainly yes.

>>17441962
Sanderson is too medicore and unoriginal to even waste thinking about on any level.

>>17442035
is that why he has sold millions more than all of your favorite fantasy writers combined? do we need to have this conversation again?

Didn't know the Dogs of War sequel already came out. Gon b a gud read.

>>17442027
Depends on how much GRI there is

>>17442027
Please post it. I'll give you the best constructive criticism I can. I'm so sick of these boring author simp posts.

>>17442035
Same. I don't understand why people bring him up here so often desu.

>>17442027
You should have just posted it and if people made fun of you pretend it was a Sanderson excerpt.

>>17442136
I doubt that any one here writes as badly as Sanderson.

>>17439462
Just make your self insert some deep edgy vilain. This general seems to like it.

>>17442147
Sanderson is "good" because of his continuity and consistency, not because he's a good line-by-line writer.

just.... one thread... without bakker or sanderson... please

>>17442163
I agree, a truce is called for. I am a Bakker fag and I promise I won't post about him throughout the entire next thread.

>>17442158
Why do you mean by consistency though? Because it's certainly not quality.

>>17442189
The Sanderson army could annihilate Bakkar a thousand times over, but we don't because we're not degenerate sinners like you.

>>17442196
Lore, systems, characters, he hooks everything together from beginning to end, the structure of Sanderson's work is impressively strong and consistent.

>>17442203
So basically every author that's worth their salt.

Those things are not impressive, in the slightest.

Every mediocre writer in the world can do those.

>>17442224
>reddit spacing
>unnecessary comma
>this triggered take
F. Gardner, is that you?

>>17442224
There are gradients, Sanderson does it at a masters level.

>>17442233
Not an argument.

>>17442235
>There are gradients, Sanderson does it at a masters level.
You should read more.

>>17442248
no thanks, all I need is roshar

>>17442248
Bakkar is not a good author.

>>17442265
You just don't like Bakker because you think he's a sinner. But the man is unironically far more Christpilling than Brandon "Mormon but I leave my religious views out of my work, can't be too controversial for muh sales" Sandaro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEFeZ0RWlG4

>>17442265
Your opinion is worthless desu.

>>17442283
His work is imbued by his Mormonism. His books are imbued with ethics and the properties of a divine life.

>Sanderson fans permanently triggered.

Why do you people care so much? I've honestly never read the guy, but your apologetic arguments are making me believe that he's actually bad.

>>17441934
The writers use the alien "proto-molecule" to take the story anyhwere they feel like and as an excuse to handwave away any inconsistencies or plotholes. It is all the magical, unexplainable abilities of the alien moluecule bruh, even though it was too fucking stupid to even hit earth and instead it landed on some Jupiter or Saturn moon.

>>17442360
every large universe has something like this, some are just dressed up a little better, this is normally done with "magic" and different types of magic

>>17441934
>I want some space opera
Try Alastair Reynolds Inhibitor series, beginning with Chasm City. His standalone novel "House of Suns" is also pretty epic space opera.

Or Walter Jon Williams "Dread Empire's Fall" for some miltary scifi style space opera.

Or David Brin's "Uplift" series beginning with "Sundiver".

>>17442388
>beginning with Chasm City
You kind of need to have read Revelation Space for that to make sense my dude.

>>17442388
which one of these is most like mass effect?

>>17442233
No such thing as an unnecessary comma, famalamadingdong.

>>17442417
>mass effect
I have never played the Mass Effect games but from what I have read in three minutes on wikipedia "Dread Empire's Fall" ought to make you pretty happy.

Alternatively the "Star F.I.S.T" series by Dan Cragg which is pretty cookie cutter military scifi at first but in the thrid or fourth book the aliens appear.

tfw I've been directing all conversations on /sffg/ for the last month

>>17442408
>You kind of need to have read Revelation Space for that to make sense my dude.
Really? Chasm City chronologically takes place before Revelation Space.

IIRC it is more like the other way round, Revelation Space is much easier to get into if you have read Chasm City.

It has been a while so I might be wrong, but I distinctly remember thinking that after I had read Chasm City.

>>17442451
That is what you tell yourself, because you must....
But I am stronger.

>>17442465
I read them in chronological order and from what I remember Chasm City doesn't really explain much about certain topics like Ultras and lighthuggers. It does actually explain what the fug the melding plague is though but that's kinda central to the plot.

>>17442056
>tchaikovsky
>The only bit of rampant nationalism was Eda Ostrom, a geologist, who taught everyone Danish through sheer force of personality and taking double shifts, so that her native tongue was our lingua franca by the time we arrived. The rest of the long-running edutaintment was Jain Diaz from the NASA contingent teaching us considerate use of pronouns with sufficient patience and determination that ze even had the most hardcore Russians respecting hir life choices. Ze was an indicator of just how much looser things had got in the States after the fighting, which I suppose is some small consolation. By the time the interplanetary satnav told us we’d reached our destination, then, we were fully up on nonbinary etiquette and everyone’s messages home were peppered with incomprehensible Danish slang.

>>17442445
thank you

Lets look at the arcs of these characters: Gandalf doesn't have much of an arc: he's more about motivating other charaters. Bilbo and Aragorn have pretty straight-forward Campbelian arcs: reluctant heroes who go on a quest and achieve some form of maturity.

Frodo is a kind of play on that, in that he is a reluctant hero setting off on a quest and while he does achieve maturity, at some point his journey morphs into something else, and he ends up tragically being damanged by his quest. Nevertheless, its not a classic tragic arc, because Frodo has no detectable hamartia (tragic character flaw). His downfall is the result of the external force of the Ring bearing down on him.

Now we have Thorin. He has a large number of hamartiai - he is haughty, cantankerous, insular, delusional, single-minded to a fault - and yet we learn enough of his backstory for those traits to make sense: He's been hardened by life.

And for a character so deeply flawed, he does have a lot of legitimately sympathetic character traits: he's heroic, loyal, and in the early parts of the story he's even able to put his pride aside: He disagrees with Gandalf on many things, but ultimately lets himself be convinced. Like when he tells Gandalf they were saved "no thanks to your burglar" Gandalf points out that Bilbo bought them time, and Thorin gives this nod as if to say "alright, fair enough."

As the quest continues, however, his bad traits become more and more consuming: throughout The Desolation of Smaug he gradually lets his end justify the means, knowingly risking the people of Laketown, leaving Kili behind and finally leaving Bilbo behind. And so he has Peripetia (reversal of fortune) and anagnorsis (realization) before he expires, and while his death has a redemptive aspect to it, you get the sense that it would have been avoidable had he not been as corruptible as he had been.

>>17442354
I'm one of the people who likes Sanderson, or at least what I've read so far (I read Steelheart when it was new, am currently 2/3 through the original Mistborn trilogy) I do recognize some problems with his writing, but sometimes it feels like /sffg/ hates him for something he is not trying to be; it's like being upset that the apple you got isn't an orange.
another thing that triggers me is that Sando is one of my biggest inspirations for writing. I want to try and avoid what people don't like about him, though, but no one really explains what the problem is and keeps spamming memes or that one passage all the time. None of it really tells me anything

>>17442354
he is alright but most people have the problem that he sets with his influence the bar for new fantasy book too low. imo

>>17442525
That's because a-lot of people here don't understand what he's trying to do, and what his target audience is (everyone) which is why he has such a broad range of supporters. One thing about Sanderson that a-lot of people on /sffg/ don't get, is that you can't truly appreciate him until you've read his books through, because at a line-by-line or passage basis, it's true, he can look quite amateur.. but the beauty of Sanderson, is this intertwining system he builds that links everything together. Sanderson builds a neural network within his stories, and those who quit at the 30th page don't get to see the system of which he's building, one that is a wonder in the world of modern fantasy.

>>17442568
In other words, he fucking sucks.

>>17442576
Those who say Sanderson sucks fail to comprehend less than 1% of the systems he's built.

>>17442583
*tips fedora*

>>17442586
What did he mean by this?

>>17442568
>>17442583
>You just don't understand it

>Imagine enjoying a mormon autist who's too afraid to talk about sex

>>17442612
>>17442586
>>17442576
>he doesnt know Sanderson has already won

>>17442640
>That pic
You can just tell that Brando Sando jerks off to his own naked pictures

>>17442640
>That sense of fashion
cringe

>shitposters got into sffg and are constantly shitposting with on topic discussions... so we can't ban them

> S A N D E R S O N
> C O S M E R E
> R A D I A N T
> S H A R D S
> S P R E N
> W I N D S P R E N
> H O N N OR S P R E N
> C R E A T I O N S P R E N
> ...
> D E A T H S P R E N
> S H A R D P L A T E
> S H A R D B L A D E
> S T O R M L I G H T
> V O I D L I G H T
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> S A D E A S
> S A F E H A N D

>>17442712
shitspren
cumspren
trannyspren

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FYTc55nGEI

>>17442725
Does it trouble you?

>>17442734
Yes, my newly formed penis starts to ache when the Sandy shitposting starts.

>>17442644

Yes, but when Brandon Sanderson jerks off to his own naked pictures, he does so according to an intricate and logical system of rules. He's even developed a name for this process: "cumbuilding." For example you can't jerk off to the same photo of yourself twice in one day, even if it's one of the really good ones on your book jackets. And if you're on the phone with your agent you can jerk off to your own photo, but you can only look at it every four seconds and you have to keep talking to your agent the whole time. It's little things like this that preserve the wonder and make things more realistic. Even though you're not actually having sex with yourself, the greatest author on the planet, you can make it feel realistic so long as your jacking off rules are consistent and believable.

>>17442752
I can barely comprehend this, even on a surface level. Sanderson is a genius.

>>17442767
>wait almost a decade for comfy bakkerposting
>instant pushback from fat ass nerds dickriding a fat ass giga nerd with zero philosophical or historical literacy
Bakker is a titan and Sanderson is a beautiful intricately woven reddit filter. you are fungi

>>17442798
based

Today we found out that only two people on /sffg/ actually like Sanderson.
And one of them is only pretending.

>>17442798
I've never read a Sanderson book in my life, lmao.

>>17442712
(you)

fantasy that doesn't extend/extrapolate the principles of a REAL world is fucking trash

that's why bakker's taken so long to ripen and sanderson & germ will die like a fart. good riddance

>>17442847
No one will remember Sanderson when he's long gone.

Bakker will become a Classic though.

>>17442798
fixed for you too

>>17442830
So what, it goes out to all peabrains who hold back what even genre fiction can be. Everywhere I go I see mediocrity

>>17442858
le worldbuilding college lecture man

americans have no taste for reality or what makes something feel ancient as opposed to just sounding like it, it only comes with experience and hard study and even then it's just simulacra. but bakker goes the mile and sanderson probably masturbates to deviantart shit of his own characters. fuck you nigger

>>17442877
I made this just for you, Richard.

>>17442861
I'll be totally honest. As an ESL, I started lurking here well over 6 years ago. My English wasn't bad, but not good enough for Bakker, so I was content with Sanderson.

Fast forward some years later, I started reading Sanderson Ironically (i.e. making excuses in my head for how bad he was due to my time investment in him) until I finally dropped him. I picked up Bakker again (no longer hard for me to read) and I was mind fucking blown at how amazing and drastically different he truly was.

Until then, I've always thought that Sanderson was the best that modern fantasy had to offer.

>>17442911
>h-he gave a lecture and everything
>h-he must be important

>>17442929
Do you feel in charge, Richard?

200 posts in. Where's the literature discussion?

>>17442951
Somewhere lost in the past.

>>17437882
I have, I’m also reading decline of the west right now

>>17442950
He did made me cry at how bad his books were

>>17438691
> I mean more the history of the world and the cities in it. My main character is a history nerd who gets to go on an adventure, so I need some history AND a shitload of names.
You can either be detailed or just make vague allusions it depends on your style. If I ever describe a place it’s only to support the theme of the novel or to give context to the storyline.

How do I become a 6/10 housewife who reads 120+ books a year and writes lengthy reviews on Goodreads that nobody reads?

>>17442979
you don't

>>17442992
I am a 6/10 housewife in spirit.

How do we feel about 40k lit?

specifically Eisenhorn

>>17442826
I've noticed that too. The Sandersoy who's always triggered was the one who ruined /sffg/.

>>17442996
because you consume processed food and derealize with anime characters. go outside

>>17442951
sffg died with Wolfe

>>17443005
It seems you've accidentally posted your facebook status on 4chan.

>>17443003
>Implying it wasn't the Bakkar's who trigged the Sanderson fans to shit post back
Every time Sanderson is talked about in a good faith conversation, there comes 5 people who do everything in their power to shit on them.

>>17443028
Does it trouble you?

>>17443032
You can't blame it on Sanderson readers when you're the one inciting all the shit posting in the first place.

>>17443022
your soul has been hormonally hijacked by corn syrup and big googly anime eyes. it's why bakker's high t philosophical speculations are lost on you. unironically, dilate.

>>17443028
You can always use Reddit, or the Shard.

>>17443040
I only consume sheep semen and natural onions. Try again.

>>17437508
>>17441744
>>17441962
>>17442198
>>17442265
>Bakkar
Obvious samefag. More proof the Sanderdweeb is one poster.

But seriously folks, these constant battles are getting really tedious. I wish we could talk about anything other than the "war" these two authors.

>>17443037
The opposite is true desu.

>>17443047
>But seriously folks, these constant battles are getting really tedious. I wish we could talk about anything other than the "war" these two authors.
>One autist
>War

Ian Brandon Sanderson is the one true and honest author of /sffg/.

Have sex. With spiders.

>>17443028
>Every time Sanderson is talked about in a good faith conversation, there comes 5 people who do everything in their power to shit on them.

> I wrote hundreds and hundreds of pages of THE WINDS OF WINTER in 2020. The best year I’ve had on WOW since I began it. Why? I don’t know. Maybe the isolation. Or maybe I just got on a roll. Sometimes I do get on a roll.
> I need to keep rolling, though. I still have hundreds of more pages to write to bring the novel to a satisfactory conclusion.
hundreds of pages to go lmao

>>17443111
How many pages are his books?

>>17443111
>>17443114
BROWN

>>17443125
That passage was really good, ngl.

The novel I'm hard at work writing is inspired by Bakker. In some ways my work is less brutal than his, in other ways more. It's also inspired by a lot of other good /sff/ recommended here, like Wolfe, Tolkien and Le Guin; and other literature as well, in addition to my spiritual interests and my own fucked up life.

I can't wait to release it and for some of you frens to read it. That's all I'll say for now.

>>17443131
Nice blogpost.

>>17443111

Wonder if Martin is going to try and make it as big as ADOS I think he'll be wrapping up all the major storylines in TWOW while ADOS will be just one big bittersweet epilogue.

Just remember that sffg died in 2018.

>>17443148
Discord killed sffg

>>17443032
>>17443098
Sasuga. I bet you faggots don't even read either author. Fuck off.

>>17443111
So he wrote <1 page per day. And it was the best year he’s had

>>17443158
>being this triggered
cope

>>17437290
Just dropping in to say
>fuck Bakker
He defiled what was left of this bloated corpse of a general

Can we go back to Dinos Vs New Age?

Why are we getting Bakker and Sanderson shitposters?
Is this an extended raid?

>>17443168
You typing and language patters are so easy identifiable that it's becoming rather pathetic.

>>17443175
This "raid" is being conducted by one single Sandersoy. For well over two months.

>>17443206
>>17443177
>>17443175
>>17443162
>>17443098
>>17443056
>>17443047
>>17443042
>>17443032
This is just proof that this Bakkar shilling is the culprit. Sanderchad's are a reactionary force.

>>17443162
>u mad a hyuk hyuk hyuk
>return home from work, tired of being surrounded by retards
>just want to talk about sci-fi and fantasy, maybe discover another hidden gem
>open thread
>just a bunch of chimps throwing shit at each other, no real discussion

>>17443216
seethe

>>17443214
Why can't sanderson fans meme?

>>17443206
Can't we get the mod to get him like we got that bunny fag and other shillers?

>>17443227
>the new "no u"
I'll let you have the last word and you can pretend you've "won" something, here; probably the best thing you'll accomplish in your life. I'll go on actually trying to discuss things.

>>17443258
There's literally 20 Bakkar posters who constantly shit on Sanderson for no reason all day, and then there's 5 people who want to talk about Sanderson's work in good faith. Mods should ban you.

>>17443266
>Mods should ban you.
How does it feel not to be in Reddit?

>>17443266
Apart from the Sandersoy, no one really wants to discuss Sanderson unironically desu senpai.

>>17443276
I was responding to...
>Can't we get the mod to get him like we got that bunny fag and other shillers?
Makes sense you think Richard is a good writer, you can't even comprehend basic conversation.

>>17443258
Hopefully. He's pretty autistic. Pretty easy to spot.

>>17443282
Okay, how about this. You stop shitting on Sanderson when he's brought up?

This thread is AIDS. You're all retarded. Go choke to death on Sanderson and Bakker's cocks.

>>17438776
What is the basis for that image? Are those characters from a book?

>>17443284
>Makes sense you think Richard is a good writer, you can't even comprehend basic conversation.
Imagine thinking that this is proper English.

Low IQ retard detected

>>17443284
kek i cant even talk bakker in /lit/'s general without you reddit cunt troglokikes shitting up the water. i don't WANT to talk about what the fucking youtube algorithm wants to talk about. i don't WANT to talk about some faggot jewish marshmellow. fuck off you fucking nigger

>>17441756
>Feels bad about raising 500,000 more than expected.

>>17443331
Wait, am I missing something? Was the initial goal 100k?

>>17443318
I'm glad you feel this way. It makes me happy to know people like you exist. It justifies banning 4chan.

>>17443352
Read the tweet bruh.

>>17443366
He made a typo. I see it now.

>>17443374
Or did he?

>>17443386
You're still wrong though. That would be a 590k difference. But you always use a period for counting cents iirc.

What does menstruation have to do with counting a currency?

>>17443415
Is it possible to put a tampon up my ass? That's the real question.

>>17443318
And to think I had almost been successfully memed into checking Bakker out before I reached this thread. If screeching retards like you are in the crowd he attracts, then it seems his work and his fans are nobody I want to associate with. Now I know why you faggots shit on Sanderson so hard. Mediocre as he is, him and his fans are actually the only ones you're able to punch down at from where you stand.

>>17443420
Yes, but it'll disappear in your small intestine. Try putting one in your urethra instead.

>>17443421
no gold for you stranger, this is 4chan :^)

>>17443421
You're right. This is way better.

>>17443428
>Doesn't know the difference between small and large intestines.
What did he mean by this?

>>17443435
Diverging from the reddit hivemind results in being downvoted to the point of censorship, not in meme gold.

>>17443449
Why would you be downvoted though? You clearly love sucking Sandaro's cock.

>>17443447
The tampon would never reach your large intestine. It'd go from your rectum to the first few inches of your small intestine at best.

>>17443440
>"I am a stick."
>"Sticks need Stormlight. For... things..."
This has got to be a joke. How can anyone read whole books of this stuff?

>>17443440
I just said Sanderson was worse. No wonder you niggas aren't discussing books. You can't fucking read.

>>17443465
>He still doesn't understand that he's confusing the small intestine with the large one.

Anon, what are you doing?

>>17443484
Imagine being this retarded.

Can anyone recommend a book?

I recently read Wolf Brother after finding a copy of the first one at my parents house from my youth and I dare say i enjoyed it, childish as it was (all 7 of them) my issue was that they were rather short and as mentioned, obviously aimed at kids

Are there books like it that are a bit more grown up? I know clan of the cave bear gets mentioned in the same circle but I have a hard time reading female POV and the whole rape thing is dull and gratuitous.

Basically
>like prehistoric survival
>not into female POV
>like details about food, plants, crafting etc

>>17443539
Conan.

>>17443539
bakker

When I asked which chink webnovel to give a try, I was recommended pic related. I'm 1000 pages into it and I have to ask, does the MC ever get challenged? Closest moment so far was when he got his arm cut off by that serpent monster. After that (and including it), it's followed a clear pattern of "MC encounters stronger opponent, gets put into a tight spot, this helps him make a breakthrough in his powers, proceeds to stomp the now weaker opponent".

>>17443608
>it's followed a clear pattern of "MC encounters stronger opponent, gets put into a tight spot, this helps him make a breakthrough in his powers, proceeds to stomp the now weaker opponent".
This is why I was never able to get into Chinese web novels. Every time someone tries to sell me on one they end up like this.

What does it take to get you to drop a series?

>>17443652
Poorly planed outlines and when the author is unable to write about political conflicts. And poorly done battles.

>>17443652
Depends on how much has been read of it.

>>17443539
certain parts of Malazan do this however he does go into female POV sometimes.

>>17443682
He knows how to write females though.

>>17443440
What gets me about Sanderson is that he kinda sounds like he's trying to be Joss Whedon. Now, that would have bothered me less if I had said that like 15 or so years ago, but then The Avengers movie came out and fucking EVERYONE in America decided they wanted to write like that, with diminishing returns as the years go by.

>>17443690
Considering the timelines, it's Whedon trying to be Sanderson.

>>17443678
You're invested in the story, but it's becoming increasingly clear it's bad...it lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs, trying to turn itself over but it can't. And you know you should go, but you can't. Until you do. That's the moment I'm asking about.

>>17443652
Vary rarely is an author competent enough to pull of anything larger than a trilogy. I've only read two who pulled it off.

And yes, Erikson and Bakker

>>17443721
Please shut the fuck up with the Bakker shilling. You're worst than the Sanderson people.

>>17443608
Desolate Era is the most bog standard xianxia ever so it is constant powering up to win.

imo the stuff with Wuxia roots is better because it doesn't get into pure powering up as early
for instance "A Record of a Mortal’s Journey to Immortality" is very deliberate in how the protagonist gets stronger, the world is at a pretty constant powerlevel, so there's no cycle of stronger than everyone else > go to new area where everyone is stronger in every single chapter.

My fav chinese webnovels are by Mao Ni and are outright wuxia where there's no moving on to higher realms, they're beautifully written but are very slow because of the format.
In a way it's a tragedy that he's not a novel writer.

Also you could try Lord of Mysteries which is beloved and pretty much its own thing so you don't get the useful dantian>core powerlevel stuff. Haven't read much of that one myself.
>>17443539
Right now I'm reading Tchaikovsky's "The Tiger and the Wolf". It's bronze age/very early iron age setting, there's magical shapeshifting into animals but otherwise it reminded me quite a lot of reading Wolf Brother as a kid.
Main protag is a girl but it's multiple pov.

Also imaro is set a lot later but it's basically Conan in Africa so the focus is very tribal. (There are mentions of european ships but they're not central to the story we see)

>>17443721
For a continuous story, yes. But an episodic series can go much longer.

>>17443737
Does it trouble you?

>>17443750
Yeah Vorkosigan's like 15 books long and it keeps momentum by having book-long plots and 2-5 book long overarching stories.

>>17443737
There's nothing wrong with talking up Bakker by itself. The problem comes when the Bakker shilling pushes out conversation about other authors, which that anon didn't do (he even mentioned another author in his post)

>>17443000
Decent for the form but didn't blow me away.

Funnily enough my fav warhammer books are the fantasy ones because they're just trashy sword and sorcery with no pretenses at being anything more.

>>17443789
I'm almost done with the trilogy now, and I have to say I kind of agree.

Xenos was fantastic, but after that the story seems to lack suspense.

Why is it so hard to get a hold of novel Pdfs? Are they scared someone is gonna copy and paste it all?

>>17443913
It's not though.

Whatever the merits of his books and worlds, or lack thereof, I think we can all agree that Brandon Sanderson has a repulsive physiognomy, and should not be trusted based on that alone. Bakker's is disturbing, but it is the physiognomy of a learned man who has glimpsed truths that should not be known. I feel for him. Sanderson is just wretched.

>>17443930
based physiognomy acknowledger

>>17443930
Sanderson is the McDonalds of modern fantasy. Bakker is 3 star Michelin restaurant.

>>17443913
I wouldn't ever think to look for one but my experience of pirating pdfs for other, more obscure uses is that it's incredibly easy to do

Remember, Anons: next thread is the thread of Truce.

Please, please, let's put a this endless retarded shit-flinging on hold for just one thread. Just one!

>>17443930
based, this guy gets it. bakker has peered into the abyss, the deepest abyss sanderson's peered down is the bottom of a haagen dazs

more people should be like me and just never read bakker and forget most of what they've read of sanderson

Should I read all of the Neuromancer books or just the first one? I have too much shit to read

And no I didnt consult the wiki or anything in the OP fight me

>>17443970
Anyone who unironically uses the "abyss" is a fucking hack.

>>17444008
>>17444008
>>17444008

>>17443998
Just the first

>>17443969
Leave.

>>17443766
Patrick O'Brian is the master of this. You can also do it with each book as a story and continuing characters, like with a detective story or military SF mission books.

>>17443913
pdf is an obsolete format, that's why. You could easily convert to pdf from other format if you weren't a complete and utter idiot.

>>17443742
>My fav chinese webnovels are by Mao Ni and are outright wuxia
Sounds good, recommend some? I only gave this a try because I liked wuxia flicks and Yin Jong adaptations in the first place, I don't particularly care for the cultivation stuff.

>>17444143
Way of Choices or Nightfall. Either/or.

Nightfall is probably better for you if you don't overly care for cultivation.
Both books use it as a magic system and have protagonists who desperately want to use it but Way of Choices focuses more on the actual act of Cultivation. More as a slow process of failure and teaching than as powering up but it's still like 1000 pages of that before they go fight demons.
Nightfall on the other hand starts with action and goes to school in act 2 but there's also a big intrigue plot going on so it's not really a learning arc.

>>17444235
Thanks, I'll give both a try.

>>17443297
Bump

>>17443297
>>17444575
Try googling some of the names from the post in question, genius.

>>17443485
That's not the intestine, that's the second stomach.

>>17444738
I did cunt, nothing comes up.

>>17445147
it’s the villains in the Second Apocalypse series by R Scott Bakker. lurk moar frend.

>>17445147
I googled Emwama and I already what it's from even though I've never read it, like the first 5 results are relevant without even needing to click them. Try being less of a retard.

>>17445235
Nope.

>>17445279

>>17445301

>>17445347
Hint: when you google a word, the results for things spelled differently usually aren't relevant.

>>17445347
>>17445301
you guys don’t want to know what i know about the emwama.

>>17441507
can you link the discord. i dont know what the spoiler thing is but i just ordered the first book. should be getting in by friday

Once upon a time there was an Anon here who talked about his sci-fi book. It had gigantic worldbuilding.

It was about some alien bird-like civilization with different cultures and there were humans too, who arrived on a ship or something like that.

What happened to him?

>>17445411