/lit/ - Literature

>>17437539
Read MahaPrajnaParamita-Sastra by Nagarjuna

>>17437555
Thanks for replying. Any wide known book rec? Im esl and that sutra is only available in english unfortunately

>reading "wisdom" from street shitters, ancient fat asian incels, cow-worshippers

try being not retarded for once

>>17437799
I had the same mindset as you and it didnt get me far anon. I have nothing to lose getting into it

>>17437816
take this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFYx67428RA&t=2s

>>17437799
>being this upset
wew

>>17437839
>Ken LARPer
cringe

>>17437799
Seething

>>17437539
Christ

>>17437539
Eastern Orthodoxy specifically Hesychasm.

>>17437539
I question the advice of guys like Eckhart Tolle, not because I doubt their spiritual accomplishments, but precisely because their accomplishments were obtained without much struggle or even effort. It's like taking piano lessons from a prodigy. The usual curse of knowledge.

I recommend instead looking into the works of Thanissaro Bhikkhu, in particular his 3-part lecture series on youtube and the translations of the pali canon he put up on his website accesstoinsight.com

I also recommend watching the lectures of Mingyur Rinpoche as his method is simple and instantly effective for exactly the issues of rumination and anxiety that you're talking about. The guy suffered from serious panic attacks himself when he was younger and cured himself of it through meditation.

>>17438048
Thank you anon

>>17437539
Epicureanism

>>17438206
Is he similar to stoics? I got into seneca and aurelius and many core beliefs actually match with eastern thinking as far as i can tell

>>17437799
>any religion not based on jew mythology is street-shitter tier
kys my man

>>17437799
Yikes

>>17438225
Absolutely
https://youtu.be/hBWDIzHldPg

>>17438206
love you baby girl :3

>>17437799
Burger moment

>>17438508
how does your obsession with gaining attention and validation figure in to Epicureanism?

>>17437539
As another guy recommended, listen to some of Thanissaro's talks
Also read the Dhammapada

>>17438694
It is your delusion, so it figures not to me.

I lived 23 years of my life very anxious. I'm 25 and it's no longer a problem. Wanna know the secret? Whenever you begin to feel anxious, go exercise enough to break a sweat. That's it. Books are of course great and all. But the issue is your lizard brain thinks it's in danger cause it's retarded. Exercise that shit out. Best of luck to you.

>>17438206
>eastern

>>17437799
Why are Americunts so ignorant?

>>17439223
because nothing matters

Anyone knows where I can get "the mind illuminated" as a pdf? I don't feel like buying it

>>17439273
libgen

>>17439291
I'm too retarded to use it properly

>>17439154
Where are you?

>>17437539
Advaita Vedanta

https://realization.org/p/ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita.html

>>17439481
This

>>17437539
none they are all by definition incomplete.

>>17439839
wrong

>>17439881
no (you)

>>17439884
no, you actually

Buddhism it's literally just Christian values removing the aspect of God (making it ultimately empty)

>>17440102
>Buddhism it's literally just Christian values
wrong

>>17440102
Everything in this post is false.

>>17440110
>Treat others like yourself
>Lead a simplistic lifestyle avoiding addition and materialism
>Have a chill passive attitude unless absolutely necessary
>Give generously

>>17440121
>let's list the few things the doctrines have in common and conveniently omit the completely different views they hold on the very nature of existence and reality

>>17440102
>Buddhism it's literally just Christian values removing the aspect of God (making it ultimately empty)
christianity is the jewish hinduism and hinduism is the NPC allergic reaction to buddhism

>>17439336
how?????????

>>17440127
>Muh chink philosophy
Dosnt much effect the way one lives there day to day life, if you are living from similar tenants.

>>17440135
You write like a retard and have retarded opinions

>>17440132
>allergic reaction
It's older than buddhism, but you're right anyway, buddhism has always made NPCs seethe.

>>17440136
English isn't my first language so apologies.

But you didn't debate me on how believing how the universe is changes how two people with similar morals act

>>17440137
>It's older so it can't be similar for lifestyle purposes

You really opened your mouth to remove all doubt huh?

>>17440140
>>Muh chink philosophy
What is there to debate here?
>similar morals
If you bothered to look into buddhism you'd know the morals aren't that similar, past an entry level humanist take that quickly falls apart once you start delving deeper into the precepts. Read a book nigger.

>>17440142
>You really opened your mouth to remove all doubt
Unlike you, who only opens it to suck cock

>>17440144
Name the book that influences your take and I will be happy to

>>17440150
Any intro to buddhism
Start with either In the buddha's words or What the buddha taught

>>17440157
I'm a order it now. Thanks for the recommendation anon

>>17440159
I preferred the first one but both are decent

>>17440137
Buddhism is peak NPC religion, why do you think it's so popular among both figurative and literal bugmen?

>>17437799
Burgers deserve the rope

>>17437539
>eastern
>philosophy

>>17440651
>having a scripted response to other people's discussions
Oh no... you're an NPC

>>17440159
More books if you are interested further

>>17441482
Are you gonna start subtly shilling mahayana with this now?

>>17441509
I don't see why not? The other chart has like five books by the same monk. That's got to be a form of "shilling." I think it's perfectly reasonable for someone interested in Buddhism or Buddhist philosophy to read the core of the Sutta Pitaka along with Madhyamaka and Yogacara literature.

>>17441528
>I don't see why not?
Because those charts are posted in response to people who ask where to start if they want to learn about Buddhism, not Mahayana buddhism. The chart should be titled "intro to Mahayana" or something

>>17440651
>no u
Tradcath larpers are so boring

>>17441563
It says Select Buddhist Texts. Are those not select Buddhist texts? Should we call the other chart Intro to Theravada with Modern Commentaries?

>>17441579
>Are those not select Buddhist texts?
They're 90% Mahayana, and the chart focused on Mahayana concepts. You even go as far as to imply the deepest teachings are mahayanist, so don't pretend you don't know what I mean
>Should we call the other chart Intro to Theravada with Modern Commentaries?
No because there are a bunch of books about "secular" Buddhism and Nagarjuna

>>17441598
Huayen is unironically galaxy brain Buddhism though, c.p. Indra's jeweled net metaphor; universe in an atom atom is the whole universe. The other chart only adds Nagarjuna for the sake of being able to label itself non-sectarian, prove me wrong.

>>17441384
> Unable to see philosophy everywhere. Only books
t. NPC

>>17441664
At least the other chart has seven books on Nagarjuna.
>The other chart only adds Nagarjuna for the sake of being able to label itself non-sectarian
You're doing the exact same thing, only mentioning two nikayas so you don't have to explicitly state it's a Mahayana chart. Which is worse than what the other chart does.
>galaxy brain Buddhism
I didn't say it was bad, I said that only mentioning Mahayana makes it false advertising when you decide to simply label the chart "select Buddhist texts". It's misleading for someone who wants to learn about Buddhism in general and not specifically Mahayana, since it's much better for understanding the doctrine to start with Theravada.

>>17441699
The older chart vastly emphasizes Theravada without saying it does, so clearly no one is trying to produce an unbiased chart. The newer chart is limited strictly to the religious and philosophical texts without any secondary literature or modern commentaries, unless you count the embedded introductions or footnotes of the translators. I think the charts are complementary since they have different focus.

>>17437539
You can't pick "truth" based on what is most satasfying. Truth is truth.

>>17441760
>The older chart vastly emphasizes Theravada
It vastly emphasizes the Canon, which is necessary in order to actually understand what Buddhism is about.
>The newer chart is limited strictly to the religious and philosophical texts
...Of Mahayana.
If you wanted to make a non-sectarian chart, you should've included the nikayas first, then provided different options to branch out into different schools, including specific scriptures for Tibetan vajrayana and Zen/Chan.
The chart as it is is heavily Mahayana-centric but doesn't even provide recommendations for some of Mahayana's biggest schools.

>>17441812
I agree with reading the canon but just the Middle and Long discourses alone are like 2500 pages if you read the notes (you should). Most of the Mahayana works included after these are under 400 and the root verses make up even less. The outliers are the Avatamsaka or if you bother reading all three volumes of Brunholzl's translation of the MSG and its commentaries instead of just the first. Moreover, it's not Pokémon; you can read what you want and not have to slot everything into a dozen doxographical categories. Again, having read the core Suttas of the canon and the principle Madhyamaka and Yogacara texts, in my opinion an intelligent student could confidently read the texts of any later schools. Tibetan Vajrayana, Chan/Zen, Shingon, Pure Land, whatever else all pretty much postdate this chart. In fact the Tibetans study Chandrakirti and Aryadeva and the Chan schools emerged from Huayen. I also feel recommending the 50 books you'd need to cover everything is worthless for the purposes of a chart anyway, and that you are better off with bite sized groupings which progress thematically so you don't end up backlogging books you won't read. (I certainly won't recommend what I have not read for the sake of completeness). It is not a true Mahayana chart, nor is it purely non-sectarian; it is a selection of what would assist in reading of anu subsequent literature on Buddhism.

>>17441941
Convincing post. I still think you should mention more Theravada material, like the Visuddhimagga for example.

>>17441976
It's on my personal reading list but I'm probably not getting to it for a while. Don't see it on the other chart either; would have thought it would be there.

>>17437539
eastern philosophy teaches you can achieve nirvana on your own. you cannot anon. you need to come to your senses and realize your past transgressions cannot be paid for on your own.

>>17442101
Fuck off

>>17442109
Have you even read the Bible? Or do you blindly regurgitate random things you hear from atheists and the like?

>>17442101
>noooo don't solve your own problems
Your delusion fills me with coooompassion.

>>17442126
>Have you even read the Bible?
Yes, it's unironically terrible aside from some parts of the gospels, mostly John. Fuck off with your guilt tripping shit.

>>17442101
I didn't transgress anything though, your god is just an asshole.

>>17442140
>Reincarnation
Ah yes, by being an evil person I will be punished by becoming a frog. Now, how will I, as a frog, do good deeds to in order to stop being a frog and become a human?

The answer is: You can't. Reincarnation cannot work. You cannot be good nor evil as an animal other than human.

>>17442178
Have you lied before? Yeah? Well, you're a liar. And nothing will stop you from always being labeled a liar until you die. There, you transgressed.

>>17442165
What parts of it are terrible? The parts where GOD uses the national of Israel to kill off populations of baby-sacrificing vampire nations? Sounds like He was doing justice to me.

>>17442193
>Reincarnation
Not a Buddhist teaching.
>you transgressed
And I'll fix it myself, don't need your jew for that.
Go proselytize somewhere else. Why are crosscucks so obnoxious?

>>17442193
Stop worshiping semitic desert demons.

>>17442193
>Ah yes, by being an evil person I will be punished by becoming a frog. Now, how will I, as a frog, do good deeds to in order to stop being a frog and become a human?
Do you even know where you are?

>>17442282
Apu only has good kamma

>>17442287
Really one of the worst aspects of Abrahamism is to make animals into little automata.

>>17442300
Are there any suttas on the animal realm? I haven't read any.

>>17442308
Not off the top of my head but merely from a Buddhist understanding of how our own consciousness arises and the interdependence of all beings it would be absurd to deny consciousness to animals simply because they lack speech or have been easily tamed by us; speech is a great impediment to wisdom anyway. I consider Uexkull or Bergson's views on animal perception to be fairly similar to the Buddhist. But in a situation where animals were created for the sake of men, except for whatever reason the so-called unclean animals, then of course they cannot be full beings.

>>17442336
Yeah, I'm aware animals have consciousness. If I'm not mistaken, they're definitely aware but just pretty dumb, which is the hindrance that prevents them from reaching liberation (lack of intelligence is to animals what pain is to hell beings, hunger to hungry ghosts, anger to asuras and pleasure for devas, I don't remember where I heard this but it makes sense)

>>17442362
MN 57 and MN 129 both touch on the animal realm and the implication is more or less that animal behavior will get you an animal birth, so a very patterned sort of craving for things without giving much thought would lead to not being able to give it much thought, if you want to see it that way. And an animal's umwelt is quite locked around what it needs to survive, which makes animal consciousness of the world very phenomenally different than our own, like a blind tick sensing warm blood, or the non-binocular prey animals needing a huge field of vision. If the christposter is still here, rebirth is not about punishment for deeds but the ripening of their seeds.

>>17442523
Thanks anon, I'll check out those suttas. That explanation makes a lot of sense.
So if animal behavior, that is, craving for things without giving them thought, leads to animal rebirth, what are the actions that lead to rebirth in hell, as a deva or as a human? I can guess that being constantly unsatisfied leads to a hungry ghost rebirth, and that a wrathful life leads to an asura rebirth.

Does Buddhism posit a meaning to existence? Or does it not concern itself with that?

>>17439102
>Whenever you begin to feel anxious, go exercise enough to break a sweat.
Imagine taking pills instead of doing this