/lit/ - Literature

>>17424556
get out of my brain disgusting reptoid gangstalker scum

>>17424566
What did you mean by this?

>>17424556
Your own particular phenomenology, too many people do not characterise these distinctive sensations and impressions enough.

>>17424556
I see art in life, as Holderlin said "In life learn art, in the artwork learn life. If you see the one correctly you see the other also."

When I read about greatness, I see its movement, or under a more Napoleonic case, life's inability to move up to it in the particular moment and place. Other times I wonder at life's going well beyond art.

>>17424556
no

hope that helps

>>17424556
too bad mishima was trash

>>17424575
>too many people do not characterise these distinctive sensations and impressions enough.
That's exactly the point. I can't characterize them or hold them down and it drives me insane. Its like I'm being taunted on a metaphysical level by having an incorporeal world dangled in front of me that I'll never be able to touch.

>>17424594
You have some sort of hyper specific psychoanalytical problem, you need to logically work it out in a way that it is a normal positive.

>>17424556
Yes but this post is a bit ironic.

>>17424594
Also yes when what Jung would call rational types (I don't exactly subscribe to his typology but it can be very useful) have emotional troubles or questions, often they just have a vague kind of unknown answer from that same undeveloped area and don't understand it in the slightest. You need to accept your emotions as emotions, and face them.

I don't really know what else to tell you under such general knowledge.

>>17424616
>freudian gibberish
I don't see it as a problem that much honestly I just want to know if its a common feeling.
>>17424629
Its not.
>>17424638
>they just have a vague kind of unknown answer from that same undeveloped area and don't understand it in the slightest.
Sounds like me. Its like I know exactly what's bothering me but don't have the slightest clue on how to properly articulate it. Story of my life.

>>17424673
>Its not.
It is.

>they capture obscure feelings so concisely in a way that I’d never be able to articulate in words or replicate in life experience or even know how to communicate to someone else
Yet exactly that has been done here.

>>17424681
Please I don't have the energy for this

Read Thomas Bernhard's The Loser and if you have a brain you'll snap out of your juvenile anxieties.

>>17424749
>Thomas Bernhard's The Loser
Summary seems interesting but author seems like a faggot. I'll pass.

>>17424673
>I don't see it as a problem that much honestly I just want to know if its a common feeling.
Yes, it is absolutely very common anon.

>Sounds like me. Its like I know exactly what's bothering me but don't have the slightest clue on how to properly articulate it. Story of my life.
In my case, I found an emotionally affirmative area. I learned to rest on my fantasys much more, that is (follow the terminology or not, the point remains:) the unconscious content which swells up in the most lovingly idealistic sense, what I find emotionally central to myself and though ideal, carries itself as reality through literal outer presentment or not. There, I found an answer in that, and it always carries a moral affirmation as well. Intellectually it all carries on in everything else in my life, but that is probably the essence of it.

>>17424556
Not really, but sometimes it does feel like I'm going to 'die' or lose a piece of myself in the process, that is when I tend to quit reading. There are other reasons why I stop reading books, that one doesn't really happens often. And I try to get back to it, and face whatever, because that is the fun part of it. The coolest books are the dangerous ones, the ones that get you scarred or something.

>>17424874
>Intellectually it all carries on in everything else in my life, but that is probably the essence of it.
In my case there is absolutely zero continuity between my inner thoughts and workings and my everyday practical life. It amazes me when authors can make novels out of their own autobiographies like Mishima did. There's absolutely nothing interesting going on in my everyday life that would warrant me writing a novel about it. My imagination on the other hand offers endless possibilities. Maybe I'm just developmentally stunted.

>>17424907
>sometimes it does feel like I'm going to 'die' or lose a piece of myself in the process
That's a good way to describe it anon. That's exactly how I feel. And yes its always interesting coming back to reading after that happens.

>>17424915
Jung would might call you an "istp," whatever true that typing is, my intuition is telling me you will find an answer in Jung's typology in general.

>>17424924
Thanks anon. I've never read Jung but I'll look into him now that you say so.

>>17424556

Well the reality is the only way to capture these feelings is with a story basically
But then you realize this is still a very roundabout way of doing so and that's when you start your true journey toward lucid dreaming and manifesting tulpas

>>17424922
So you usually don't 'retreat?' And which Mishima book do you felt like that? I thought that Temple of the Golden Pavilion was deeply disturbing, as if I was face to face with a huge evil. Also felt like that reading Wuthering Heights. I was ok reading Confessions of a Mask.

>>17424792
Give Bernhard a chance, Anon. I'm not the one you quoted but I second the recommendation. The Loser is a short masterpiece that can be read in one afternoon. Bernhard is absolutely based

>>17424556
Do us all a favor. Go talk to people IRL. Normies are the best to talk to.

>>17424980 I'm the quoted anon
There are other books which are good, things like Machado or Nabokov, but they are mainly dense. Doesn't feel like I'm struggling with the author.

>>17424980
I went nearly a year without reading fiction after finishing The Brothers Karamazov. From Mishima, so far I've only read Sailor and Confessions, both are giving me a tinge of that feeling that I believe will only grow and grow as I read more from him. The Somoko arc from Confessions, Notes from Underground, and homilies of Elder Zosima from TBK all kind of decimated me and I felt like I was in a haze after being finished with them.

>>17424964
Welcome anon, good luck with it. Just remember there's a difference between Mbti and Jung's typology.

>>17425026
Or even Shakespeare, there are a lot of things inserted on the dialogues, but they are 'fine' compared to some other authors. Kafka mentions this too, he loves those kind of 'dangerous' books.

>>17425017
Normies have changed. They're not like how they were in 2019. They only talk about covid numbers and vaccine logistics. Its exhausting and demoralizing.

>>17425026
>>17425067
I'll give them a shot anon. I feel that Russian and Jap lit best capture this feeling.

>>17425090
Still better than whatever OP is doing right now, literally losing his mind reading a bunch of words.