/lit/ - Literature

moar like mhomas tann amirite

>>17412625

Stack of Pancakes.

>>17412625
Heinrich Mann.

do u think he would do oprah's book club if she axed him?

>>17412674
Delicious.

Joseph novels worthwhile?

Thomas Frau

>>17412625
I live and used to work as a librarian in Chile, and people here don't even read the newspaper, but for some bizarre fucking reason The Magic Mountain has consistently been one of the country's best selling books for decades.

I have no idea why, it bounces off my mind.

Why is Mann so good at writing prose but so bad at writing dialogue? He should have just been a philosopher.

I loved his short stories and Buddenbrooks, but I'm currently reading The Magic Mountain and it is filtering me hard. Hopefully when I finish it will all make sense.

I hate this longwinded pederast like you wouldn’t believe

>>17412807
try to find a copy of joseph campbell's lectures on magic mountain, he explains a lot of shit, too bad it looks like they got zapped off youtube or i'd link u up

>>17412674
Thomas Panncakes

>>17412777
Thomas Womann

anyone got any idea about how well his works translate to Spanish; a friend is lending me random house Spanish editions of 3 of his works, wanted to make sure if they were worth reading

bumpe

>>17412693
Yes, they are his masterpiece. It helps that he has a bona-fide page turning plot provided for him

>>17412782
very interesting kek

>>17412625
He was the mann

Musil, Broch, and Döblin all outdo Mann. Mann isn't bad, but his writing doesn't have the impact of Broch, the cleverly woven prose of Musil, or the brutality of Döblin.

>>17412807
Mann himself said that one would have to read The Magic Mountain twice.

>>17415213
I think a lot of Mann's reputation, in the English speaking world at least, was because he readily allowed himself to be seen as the 'good german', which was very useful during WWII and in the cold War when they were trying to rehabiltate West Germany.
Similar situation to the inflated reputations of Soviet novelists critical of communism like Pasternak or Solzenitsyn

>>17415244
I never really got the impression that Mann was particularly popular among the anglo crowd. Until relatively recently he was largely ignored by /lit/ for instance.

>>17415257
He's been much less popular over the last few decades than he was in 50s, 60s, 70s. Some of his books even went out of print, Royal Highness, Holy Sinner and Joseph were hard to get hold of

>>17415310
Despite his steady popularity in my country (Sweden), all those 3 are out of print too. In the early 00s and 10s new translations of Buddenbrooks, MM and Faustus were published, along with four of his novellas, but nothing else. For the Joseph series I've had to scour second hand bookshops, finding only old paperbacks from the 60s. When I tried to purchase the first two, the owner of the shop suggested I didn't as I'd never find the last part outside of a complete set (which I have since found but did not purchase because it was 200 euros). Have to wonder why the Joseph series is so neglected.

His German is really difficult. I gave up reading Joseph series because his vocabulary and sentence constructions are a bit overwhelming for me(C2 in German).

>>17415213
to be fair you just named the mount rushmore of german (early) 20th century lit and I would put Mann up there with them.
Mann as opposed to Musil or Broch is quite accessible in his big works. Buddenbrooks is a comfy read with amazing worldbuilding while Musil's "big" novel is considered a challenge to finish. Same with Brochs Virgil. That's why I would say he gets a better reception. I agree with you that Mann isn't the nonplusultra, but "isn't bad" doesn't describe his great work.

>>17415440
That's fair I might've spoken of Mann in too negative of a tone. I really like his Doctor Faustus, and Buddenbrooks is indeed very comfy.

>>17415213
>Musil, Broch, Döblin, Mann
What are their best works?

>>17415338
Damn. At least you could read them in your native language. Joseph for some curious reason is the only Mann not translated into Estonian. Feels bad man.

>>17416141
>Musil
Best start: Törleß
Best: Man without qualities
>Broch
Best start: Sleepwalkers
Best: Death of Vergil
>Döblin
Best: Berlin Alexanderplatz
>Mann
Best start: Buddenbrooks
Best: Magic Mountain

>>17416271
Is anything from Musil, except the two you mentioned, worth reading?

posting the goat

>>17412868
Would it be good to read that first? I enjoy Joseph Campbell’s take on stuff

>>17416357
Depends, if you want to read coherent pieces of literature honestly no. If you like Musil and want to dive deeper you should read "Nachlass zu Lebzeiten". He has tons of published stuff though, diaries, letters, stories and especially essays. It's like digging into the works of Kafka. There is a reason why most other authors at the time had such a high opinion of Musil, even though he didn't really write many (conventional) books.

>>17416271
Have you read any of Döblin's other books?

>>17416460
no. Sry I don't know shit about Döblin past Berlin Alexanderplatz.

>>17412625
nice

>>17412807
its not bad. the structure is interesting and the reflections on it innovative

>>17416447
Cool, thank you.

>>17412625
Joseph and His Brothers

>>17416685
All that shilling and nobody is reading it. When will you give up?

>>17412625
Why did he fantasize about sodomizing his own son?

im reading magic mountain after proust, any tip?

>>17416750
there are no tips, just read it and consider reading it a second time

>>17416708
Giving up suggests that something is momentary. The glory of Joseph is eternal.

>>17412674
i'm hungry

>>17417056
I will buy the book this summer, Joseph shill.

>>17416271
Why is Mountain better than Faustus?

>>17412625
THOMAS MANN THE GUNS! THAR BE TROUBLE ON THE HORIZON!

Didn't Thomas Mann molest both of his sons?

>>17416750
Mann is nowhere near the greatness of Proust. Don't bother reading Mann. That's the best tip you will ever get.

>>17417338
Proust is overpraised.

>>17415376
Bist du ein Mutteesprachler? Ich habe vor kurzem erstmals etwas von Mann gelesen (Tonio Krüger) und fand es eigentlich recht angenehm.
Oder war Tonio Krüger für seine Verhältnisse einfach nur sehr leicht zu lesen?

>>17417354
Nope. Mann doesn't have 1/16th the psychological insight of Proust. At least Proust understood women and didn't rape children.

>>17413890
help

>>17417466
what would be difficult to translate? it's all banal descriptions and cartoonish dialogue

>>17417430
Mann never did anything to a kid, you coping moron. I also never said anything about Mann. I said Proust is overpraised, which he is.

>>17417430
>my favorite author can beat up YOUR favorite author

>>17418303
>>my favorite author can beat up YOUR favorite author
>345 replies / 45 images
Any other books like Lotte in Weimar? I liked the set up of dealing with the central character only obliquely by his impact on others

>>17413890
Fairly good. It is worth reading in translation, but great German prose really makes it worth sinking thousand of hours into studying German. And Mann is very very good.

THOMAS MANN !!!!

>>17412625
sick of this sick, disgusting faggot who I never read

>>17412625
Second rate thinker

>>17412683
You're thinking of the Lizzy Borden Book Club

thomas mann