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Most Athenian men at the time were pederasts.

>>17407981
Plato is (as far as we know) the first Western philosopher to formulate arguments against pederasty. You can check both Symposium, where lust for children is treated as a beastly, unworthy tendency, and in Laws, which starts with the Old Athenian claiming that pederasty should be made illegal for its harmful effects on both the perderast and the child.
The first one is a "subjective" refutation, since it argues that pederasty is wrong and unworthy regardless of its consequences (and gives us a reason not to be a pederast even in a world where it doesn't harm children).
The second one is a more concrete refutation, since it accounts for the concrete harmful effects of these practices (which is an additional reason not to be a pederast).
For Plato loving children means teaching them stuff and caring for their welfare. All lust towards them is illegitimate and should be curbed (even istitutionally, with laws making it illegal).

>>17407981
1)because everyone was and flaming bisexuality was the norm
2)as soon as Plato walked in there
3)Genetic Fallacy, also you'd have to ask the same question for 80% of the greeks

>>17407981
Stop projecting your faggotry bro.

>>17407981
>When did he start his pederasty relationship with Plato?
I don't think there's any indication of them having a relationship.
>How did it influence their ideas?
They talk about love a lot, and pederastic relationships are often used as a motif in discussions about virtue, restraint etc. Both Xenophon and Plato, students of Socrates, appear to formulate anti-pederastic views in their mature philosophy, despite relatively neutral or sympathetic depictions of it in their earlier careers.
>>17408027
It should be noted that while the Symposium ends with a strong case for loving the soul over the body (which leads later to the harsher judgement expressed in the Laws), it does not repudiate physical desire altogether. In Pausanias' speech disapproval is voiced against both cities where pederasty is practiced without any restraint whatsoever and cities which outlaw pederasty completely. When someone speaks disapprovingly of lusting after women, they are not saying that all sexual relations with a beloved woman are bad. The participants of the Symposium are talking in praise of Eros, after all.