/lit/ - Literature

What he says doesn't make sense.

>>17401966
fpbp

>>17401966
fpwp

>>17401924
Refuted by Nietzsche

>>17401924
I'm intimidated by his physicality and intellect.

>>17401924
I like early Plato such as Hippias Minor but dislike the later, more zealous stuff with forms.

>>17401924
He actual faggot

>>17402052
>"utterly unholy, odious-to-the-gods and ugliest of ugly things".
- Plato on homosexuality.

Yeah bro totally a fag.

He's an idealist and an anti-democrat. That's 100% cringe.

>>17402099
You mean he's a republican? What a racist idiot! Probably doesn't even think black lives matter.

>>17401992
Nietzsche never understood late Plato.

>>17402041
ur dumb lol

>>17402093
He said that later after he had fucked boy pussy out of his mind. One day the post orgasm realization hit too hard and greeks didnt have fags at the time to smoke and calm down so he just repressed everything

>>17401924
GREEK """"""PHILOSOPHERS"""""" ARE ABSOLUTE THRASH.

GREECE IS A LAND FILLED WITH PSEUDS AND POOR LITERATURE, IF ANY. NOT A SINGLE MEMORABLE WORK HAS COME OF IT.

EMBRACE HISPANIC LITERATURE, 《 《 THE ONLY 》 》 LITERATURE WORTHY OF MAN.

Bad derivate of Pythogorianism

>>17402183
Hispanic literature has only produced don quixote.

>>17402148
Stop being such a retard. The Christian terming which created the diction of heterosexual/homosexual did not exist in ancient Greece, and was only reflected as it was immediately reflected on life as a negative, against nature and plainly wrong. In the case of Plato he always believed such, but as he grew he doubled his rejection of it.

Never bothered to read him. Seems overhyped.

>>17402183
Aren't you supposed to be a Christian?

>>17402201
That's because you don't believe the truly great can be truly great, you seem to not believe in such certain and absolute greatest, the likes of which Plato is astoundingly so.

Literally nothing surpasses him.

>>17402195
explain all his dialogues endorsing pedagogy then.

>>17402215
It’s not a doubt of his greatness. Just don’t have a care for the popular until it seems to actually pop into my relativity, naturally.

>>17402183
>shitspanic lit
hard no

>>17401924
Refuted by Nietzsche, and then the Plato-Nietzsche binary was transcended by Alfred Whitehead.

>>17402216
Yes, Plato's endorsement of the student and teacher relationship is quite unexplainable.

>>17402226
Then just read him bro, if every other of the very greatest have called him the greatest then it's a good idea to read him (and start with the Greeks).

>>17402191
THE EXPECTED REPLY OF AN IGNORANT ILLITERATE ANGLOSAXON. YOU ARE BEYOND SALVATION, PLEAS DO NOT COME BACK TO THIS OR ANY OTHER LITERATURE BOARD.

>>17402207
YES.

>>17402227
THE BEST SIGN OF A DELUSIONAL THOUGHTLESS MIND IS AN IMAGE OF AN OVERUSED, WASHED FROG. YOUR COMMENTARY IS EQUALLY FORGETTABLE.

>>17402136
What didn't he understand?

>>17402315
How late Plato overcomes the problems of early and middle Plato.

>>17402309
Why do you believe in the demiurge lol? Are you a neo-Cathar or some shit like that?

>>17402215
Every hobogoblin says that about their favorite great man theorist

>>17402427
You don't think unnaturally great men exist?

>>17402148
(You)

>>17402183
So cringey and unfunny

>>17402453
Yeah, because "greatness" is a matter of perspective

>>17402506
Lol okay, well from Goethe's "perspective" he sees you far below him.

>>17402515
He's another dead guy I'll never read or care about. He's entitled to his own opinion

>>17402536
Are all opinions born equal?

>>17402308
Play-dough. I get the rest of my knowledge of from whatever lasting important bits of rhetoric either anons like yourself might interject or from what I gather from outside philosophers

>>17402540
I don't care about "equality"

>>17401992
Every society has the tendency to reduce its opponents to
caricatures-at least in imagination-and, as it were, to starve
them. Such a caricature is, e.g., our "criminal." Within the
aristocratic Roman order of values, the Jew was reduced to a
caricature. Among artists, the "philistine and bourgeois" become
caricatures; among the pious, the godless; among aristocrats, the
man of the people. Among immoralists it is the moralist: Plato,
for example, becomes a caricature in my hands.

>>17401966
fpbp
Aristotle>>>>>>>>>>>

>>17402547
I have know idea what you're saying, and can infer nothing other than that you don't know enough about Plato.

>>17402183
t. South American Goblin Spic abnomination

Anyone who does not see in Plato one of the (if not the most) most heights of thought that humanity can achieve has been filtered hard. Plato, with the mythical Socrates are probably the only two thinkers worth considering if you are serious about philosophy.
If you want to play you can do every other possible thing. If you want to take life as it is, go grab some Plato. It isn't that Plato participates in philosophy. Plato is philosophy. Every other thing is game. Back to the cavern, mongoloids.

I love Plato, but I don't think how we interact with the forms is coherent. His worldview needs turning on it's head to make sense tbdesu.

>>17402621
Yet you follow it in your relativising of nature.

>>17401924
I refuse to believe that people 2500 years ago had anything interesting to say, that hasnt been said bettrer by more recent philosophers.

>>17404236
What a retard.

>>17402183
Obvious bait is obvious
>laughs in hellenic noises

>>17403687
Imagine taking Plato literally. He was a moralfag, the OG of "the greater good" justification against nihilism.
>Plato’s ethical-political theory is admittedly impractical, due largely to the unpredictable and fallible nature of men, especially those in power. Plato invested a great deal of trust and power into his ruling body, and there are no auxiliary precautions in the event that the Rulers act according to Joseph Smith’s admonition “that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, . . . they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion?(D. & C. 121:39). Hence, in all practicality, Plato’s just state may very quickly disintegrate into a totalitarianistic dictatorship (Jones 186). However, Plato never intended his theory to be practically applied. He was, in effect, applying his Theory of Forms and detailing out the form “Just City,?which will never be found in its plenitude in a real community, any more than the ideal form “Man?is found completely manifest in any one individual (with the possible exception of Jesus Christ). What Plato wished to illustrate was the existence of such ideals as virtue and justice, giving mankind a goal for which to strive. Through his forms, he was able to do so, and to the extent that his forms are accurate, he proved effectively that a just life really is the best life to live.
https://www.angelfire.com/journal2/farmville/eidisi/philosophy/plato.html

>>17402093
Read Charmides.

Unironically Kant.

>>17404607
he's right though.

>>17402148
Iirc the Athenian Stranger says that in one dialogue but other dialogues have plenty of gay characters and Socrates makes gay remarks as well.

>>17404907
>Charmides
>pro homosexuality
You are stupid.

>>17401924
I don't virtue signal.

>>17401924
He was a communist

>>17401924
'ate nonces, simple as.

>>17401924
he was a proto nazi and anarchocapitalist

>>17403289
>Plato, with the mythical Socrates are probably the only two thinkers worth considering if you are serious about philosophy.
Descartes > S*crates/Pl*to

>>17406561
You should be ashamed of having written that. But I forgive you anon. Also great bait.

>>17401924
Plato hates pederasty because Socrates ass raped him. Fact.

>>17407717
What fucking faggot would draw this? Seriously. It's not even true to Socrates' life.

>>17401924
I don't understand him. And he is way too verbose.

>>17407721
Salty.
You hate this painting because Socrates ass raped you. Fact.

>>17402332
What is early and middle Plato and how did he overcome them?