/lit/ - Literature

You ask me. All the women I know, including my mom, read crime lit. The market's completely oversaturated with it. I wish it were not so.

I don't know. Boomers and women lap that shit up, but I don't see what is so good about it.

>>17368848
There are scientific studies that indeed prove women read more about crime than men. It's due to the fact that women feel attracted to the criminal violent men (only chads though) and wish to be raped by them

>>17368907
Hmm interesting, do you mind have any links

>>17368828
I don't get it, but I hate it. All bookstores in my are have entire floors dedicated to crime novel while having one floor compressed with 80% translated bullshit, with the remaining 20% consisting of actual interesting literature in their original language (usually english).

>>17368848
There literally hundreds of more interesting topics to read about.

People who read crime lit are brain dead consoomers.

>>17368828
>Why are they so obsessed with crime literature?
I don't know.
>Also, why did Sweden fail to produce any noteworthy literature at all?
You are wrong, retarded and/or baiting.

>>17368912
https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#tocPersonality

Yeah, I know it's part of the incel wiki but that's the only good link in the entire thing. The scientific studies themselves weren't made by incels anyway.

>>17368828
>Also, why did Sweden fail to produce any noteworthy literature at all?

They did produce some children's literature worth mentioning.

>>17368964
>You are wrong, retarded and/or baiting.
Even fucking Poortugal has managed to produce noteworthy literature. What have you done?

There isn't a single Swedish writer worth noting. All you can do is award writers, and even that has become irrelevant now.

Embarrassing post, anon.

>>17368992
>Even fucking Poortugal
You say that as if Portugal was a cultureless incompetent country.
In any case the Swedes have Viking sagas

>>17369025
Which are 1000 year old. Even Norway has great writers like Hamsun and awardbait like Knausgård.

>>17369025
>In any case the Swedes have Viking sagas

>>17368992
>What have you done?
I shitpost on /lit/.

>There isn't a single Swedish writer worth noting.
I can't tell if you're only after (you)s or if you're genuinely proud of being this ignorant. You couldn't even be arsed to mention Strindberg.

>>17369251
>"You couldn't even be arsed to mention Strindberg."
>Mentions one single Swedish author
>A literal "who???"

>>17369226
/lit/ only knows about Hamsun because he was a fascist. They would not give a fuck if all they had to go on were his (stellar) writings. Half the anglophones on this board are mentally deficient.

>>17369251
I can honestly not recall any single relevant Swedish author, and I am relatively well written.

>>17368971
>incels.wiki

>>17369271
>well written
But clearly not well read.

>>17369278
Not in English, for sure.

Give me some good novels in English. Any good crime novels?
How hard is it to learn Swedish?

>>17369257
Hamsun is well-known for Hunger and his books about settling in rural Norway and meming primitivism, not for his audience with Hitler as a half-deaf half-demented 90 year old.

>>17369303
I specified "on /lit/", anon. /lit/ only posts Hamsun because he said some fascist shit; non-/lit/ readers would know him for his fine novels.

Strindberg, Bellman (even if he was a degenerate), Kellgren, Rudbeck the Elder, Selma Lagerlöf, Karin Boye, Gustaf Fröding,
Peder Svarts, Hjalmar Söderberg, Tranströmer, Tegnér, Dan Andersson

Like.. Even if you just like 1 or 2 of these, thats enough to say that Sweden has pretty good literature

>>17368828
Because its the only genre they can really claim as "their own". Also, Nordic countries are so peaceful they are boring, most people while never even have a brush with criminals like human traffickers (see Lilja 4-ever) so they want to read about crime stories to excite the senses.

>>17369338
The mistake anons on this board seem to make is believing that crime lit is read in place of other literature. It's not; it's read in place of other lighter entertainment like TV series.

>>17369327
>using elegantly rococo classical references in comic contrast to sordid drinking and prostitution—at once regretted and celebrated in song
That sounds actually quite interesting

>>17369327
Good examples, anon.

>>17369351
Many of Bellman's songs were translated by Paul Britten Austin. A man named Martin Best did some pretty interesting recordings of a few of them; they should be available on Spotify. All that said, Bellman's probably quite difficult to translate.

>>17368971
>I know it's part of the incels wiki but

>>17368828
>why did Sweden fail to produce any noteworthy literature at all?
Barabbas

>>17369338
You don't think there are criminals in Scandinavia? Are you stupid?

>>17369577
I'm aware there are criminals in Scandinavia.
It's just that they are good about keeping their dirty work underground, away from the prying eyes of the public to avoid being detected by the police. They're careful to not bother normal people so most people live in very peaceful countries. Peace can get monotonous. It's the same reason white American women like to read about kidnappings and serial killers and shit, they can enjoy the visceral feeling of being involved in stuff that is way removed from ordinary life because there's little to no chance of it actually happening to them.

>>17368848
Same. She keeps trying to force me to read that shit and I can't stand even 3 pages of it

>>17368828
Sweden's crime literature is seriously trash. The series based on them are even more trashy.

>>17368848
Same. She leaves those books in various places for strangers to pick up as soon as she finishes them. It's her form of watching tv shows.
Half of it a is Scandinavian. I don't get it either.

>>17369025
Swedecucks trying to leech off Danes and Norwegians (that includes Iceland).

>>17368980
Astrid Lindgren I will give you, but Tove is Finnish.

>>17368828
Please recommend some easy Danish literature. I'm between B1 and B2.

T. Kraut

>>17369294
Swedish is relatively easy if you speak fluent English.
Some German and French will also help.

>>17370450
funny how everything she wrote is in swedish

>>17369327
>Tranströmer
Authors in disguise

>>17368828

they're (we're) obsessed with it cause it's what sells since only women 30+ read, and that's what they read. The fact that they are a targetable market group makes the publishing houses filter stuff that won't sell as well. I hate that i'm an ESL and trying to write a novel in my native tongue

>>17370588
>>17370450
it's the same cope people use when they claim that Ibsen was Norwegian

>>17370588
She was from the swedish finn community. They are finns who speak swedish as their first language and different customs from other finns.

>>17370588
No shit brother, swedish is the second official language of Finland. She was born and lived in Finland for majority of her life.

>>17370599
Ibsen is technically Swedish as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_between_Sweden_and_Norway

>>17370599
Kek

>>17370642
>>17370646
Ever heard of sarcasm? The eternal autist strikes again. I'm perfectly aware that she was a fennoSWEDE.

>>17370695
>posts sarcasm in a Scandithread
>wonders that nobody gets it
The only autist here is you

>>17370838
>sarcasm in a thread with scandis
>not assuming everyone has autism
>tfw you where the one with autism all this time

>>17369577
There is practically none in comparison to virtually anywhere else.

>>17368929
what country are you from?

>>17369632
There is literally a small freetown in Copenhagen that just sells hashish

There are gang wars raging in Sweden and Denmark. You have no clue what you're talking about, you think you know, but you don't.

>>17369226
Don't forget about Ibsen.

>>17368971
>incels.wiki

>>17371083
Not Sweden's case.

>>17370655
Lmao no. Ibsen is purely Norwegian.

>>17371105
He's a playwright though

>>17371098
I meant before the migrant crisis of 2015.

>>17371098
We dont have it bad with criminals here compared to what other countries have to deal with, be real man. Sure there are criminals, but we might be one of the safest countries in the world desu.

>>17370838
you're thinking of krauts, scandis actually have a sense of humour

>>17371122
But wrote in Danish, thereby contributing to Danish lit. His paternal great grandfather was Danish btw, rest were Norwegian.

>>17371144
Before the migrant crisis the town was there, it has been since the 70s.

Do you even know about the Great Nordic Biker war?

>>17371122
Ibsen is 100% Danish you Norwegian dog

>>17371183
>they literally used a bazooka at one point
These grenade arabs got nothing on the bikers.

>>17371185
>danskejævel calling others a dog
Heng deg opp

Serious answer, Gunnar Ekelöf is probably the most influential in 20th century Scandinavian poetry.

>>17371167
Yeah, because you danish cowards tricked us into a union that was supposed to be equal, but turned into a 400-year long occupation. This combined with all our nobles being devastated by the black death resulted in West Norse dying out as a written language, and being replaced by written danish.

>tfw I could have been writing in West Norse instead of shit-tier bokmål or nynorsk

>>17371226
Hvordan hænger man en dej op, det kan sku ikke lade sig gøre

>>17371183
So? How many people were actually affected by this?
Truth is, most Scandinavians will never have a run in with crime in their lives because their countries are incredibly safe.
The security leads to boredom, and they try to alleviate that boredom by reading crime novels because its cheap excitement.

>>17371251
Never tell me the Nigger is irredeemable; we managed to civilize even the norwegian, although it took 400 years of work - today he can even speak a human language

>>17371251
400 years ago the Danish Minerva brought the light of civilization to the pitch-black dales of the norwegian wilderness. Even as the norwegian groveled in the dirt before the Holy Glow of Danish Civilization, we took mercy on him and decided to uplift this wretched creature

>>17371313
There is absolutely nothing human about the guttural throat choking sounds that comes out of a dane. Whenever I hear a dane, I want to shove my fist into its throat and pull out whatever they have lodged in their throats.

>>17371251
This has no bearing on the fact that Ibsen wrote within a Danish context, in the Danish language and studied in Copenhagen, fjeldtrold.

>>17371445
Is poetry possible in danish?

>>17368828
test

>>17371843
Nobody can make coughing dog sounds into something pleasurable

Danish is widely considered the most beautiful of all languages, with the most eloquent poetry

>>17371843
see >>17371909

>>17371866
only a Norwegian would be boorish enough to not be able to separate the phonological content from the morphological

>>17371843
No, it's not possible, danish is just guttural sounds and silent letters.

>>17368828
>Sweden fail to produce


ahem

>>17370504
Jan Sonnergaard could be a good place to start.

>>17371975
>>17371843
You might as well listen to someone choke to death on a boiling hot potato, frantically trying to get it out, but also trying to keep every part of the throat away from the potato that is burning their throat from the inside.

>>17368971
Wow, turns out trashy types get to fuck several fat ugly women. They're so lucky, I wish I was a retarded criminal so I could also fuck some ugly women.

>>17371975
Oh shut the fuck up, the Danish language have produced great poetry. We got Jensen, Heiberg, Brorson, Grundtvig, Andersen, Oehlenschlager, Møller, Kristensen, Aakjaer, Claussen, Jacobsen and so on.

>>17371997
Frankly, if it is a dane chocking to death it is indeed some righteous kind of poetry

>>17372018
Cope. Elliot Rodgers, Richard Ramirez and Eric and Dylan received tons of fanmail from women all over the attractiveness scale

>>17372113
Elliott Rodgers got no fanmail

>>17370504
H.C. Andersen

Even if you don't like our literature you must at least admit that we have some delightful drawings.

>>17371997
>>17372056
recourse to barbaric taunts... the heights of NORVVEGIAN culture indeed

>>17368932
>>17368848
>>17368907
It's just the plain old thrill of morbid curiosity. Men are naturally attracted to it too. It's just that there are other themes men find even more interesting and fulfilling. Crime literature is a sort of cheap, animal enjoyment, rather than touching the nobler parts of the soul.

>>17372720
Could you explain what is going on in there?

>>17372884
It's the Christmas demon

>>17372884
The man entering is dressed as the Yule goat and he frightens the children to no end. The Yule goat was the Scandinavian version of Santa Claus but is no longer a living tradition.

>>17372884
Reminds me of the Krampus visits when I was a child.

Is there something similar in Scandinavia? Yule goat maybe?

>>17368828
Sweden did come up with Hermelin's translations of Persian poetry, which are masterpieces in their own right. Otherwise Swedish literature is completely forgettable.

>>17368828
cause we suck

>>17368848
Can you tell me how “vi ses i morgen” is? Any review from your mom and sister?
Also I wrote a play I was getting translated to Norwegian from a friend. How do you recommend it getting published over there?

>>17372954
What about the expressions of the women? What does it mean?

hei, så eg tenke eg burde dra nytte av skandi lit markedet. Tankar om hvordan gjøre det?

>>17373035
They are slightly amused, obviously.

Anon, do you happen to be autistic? In the clinical sense, I mean?

>>17372954
There is some parts of Finland where the tradition was still around until recently, and there are some attempts to keep it alive. But I doubt it will survive.

>>17373133
I'm glad to hear some still do it. I grew up with the coca-cola man myself.

>>17373076
Maybe, but I get the impression it is not mere amusement. Their faces convey a sort of "hmph, this is what you kids get!" The sort of satisfied look a mother has when a child is rightfully disciplined. Know what I mean?
The Yule goat doesn't seem to be entirely analogous to Santa Claus. What is he about?

>>17372968
>Sweden did come up with Hermelin's translations of Persian poetry, which are masterpieces in their own right.
Based
>Otherwise Swedish literature is completely forgettable.
Cringe. Read Stagnelius and Ekelund.

>>17373049
Har du skrivet en bok eller drommer du bare om den?

>>17373162
Yule goat (and Krampus as well) are pagan remnants that were appropriated by Christianity.

>>17373166
Have you read Erland Lagerlöfs translation of the Iliad, anon? It is exceptional.

>>17373270
Not in its entirety, not yet. It's quite a mouthful, but yeah, the hexameter works great.

>>17368828
>Also, why did Sweden fail to produce any noteworthy literature at all?
ahem

>>17373347
Do they keep the finnoswedes around just to have some talent in their country?

>>17373353
>in their country
The fennoswedes are kept in Finland.

>>17373331
>alcoholic, depressive schoolmaster from Värmland translates both the Iliad and the Odyssey
>they are masterful
He was quiet the man.

>>17373376
På den tiden då det fortfarande fanns bildat folk i det här förbannade landet.

>>17373174
Ha skrevet en lek og og er skriver nå

>>17373174
Ha skrevet en lek og er skriver en bok nå. Ha ikkje publiserte stykket skjønt.

>>17368828
100% of scandinavians are repressed psychopaths

>>17368971
>Women tend to be attracted to the Dark Triad—narcissism, manipulativeness, & psychopathy
>More psychopathic men tend to receive higher attractiveness ratings from women
>Criminal and antisocial men have more sexual partners and have sex earlier
>Men are attracted to "nice" women, but women are not attracted to "nice" men
>Rapists are far more sexually active than other men

If you haven't, you should read the Nietzsche-Strindberg correspondence. Real 19th century shitposting.
>And you desire to be translated into our Greenlandish tongue ! Why not into French or English? You may judge of our intelligence by the fact that there was talk of putting me into an asylum because of my tragedy, and that this mob-majority has succeeded in imposing silence upon so fine and lofty a spirit as Brandes. I conclude all my letters to my friends; Read Nietzsche ! That is my Carthago est delenda! At all events your greatness will decline from the very moment when You become known and understood, and the dear mob begins to acclaim you as one of its own kidney. It is better that you preserve that aristocratic aloofness, and permit us other ten thousand spirits of finer fire to make pilgrimages to your holy of holies in order to refresh ourselves to the full. Let us guard the esoteric truth in order to keep It pure and whole, and not allow it to become common property save by means of devoted disciples — in whose name I sign myself, August Strindberg.

>>17372981
The one by Tore Renberg? I don't know, I don't check the titles of the books they're reading.

I'm Danish, so I couldn't tell you. Especially in the middle of the Covid crisis. Assuming it was me you meant to reply to.

>>17374966
>you wouldn't even be conscious of these truths were you not unattractive
Yes.
Not really, many Chads are well aware of all that, but I'll still say yes for the meme value.

>>17368971
do people unironically believe this?

>>17369320
The social criticisms in his novels align with a third positionist worldview so “fascists” can more easily understand his works in relation to his political attitudes whereas normalfags need to cope and pretend they are totally disjointed from one another.

If your brain isn’t judaized the fact he met with Hitler and Goebbels and eulogized Hitler as a “warrior fighting for mankind” just makes him a greatly more intriguing figure & someone worth reading.

>>17377480
People unironically identify as incels, they can believe anything

>>17368828
It's also the crime and mystery thriller flicks that happen to be the most popular ones of Nordic cinema. Perhaps it might come from a lack of many other things in their society to feel fearful over in their perspective.

>>17374966

>>17371291
everyone who grew up whitetrash know people in biker gangs everyone who grew up in the ghettoes know gangmembers

whats your point

>>17373430
skrämmande hur dålig svensk bildning fan du kan läsa latin och grekiska på gymnasiet som vanlig mellanklasstysk i sverige är det nästan omöjligt

vad hände egentligen det var inte alltid så här

>>17373162
>Their faces convey a sort of "hmph, this is what you kids get!" The sort of satisfied look a mother has when a child is rightfully disciplined. Know what I mean?
Im a different anon and I know exactly what you mean. Like they view it as a disciplinary visit or something.