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Is there any philosopher who's more of a waste of time than Jung?

>> No.17360115

>>17360113
All of it is a waste of time

>> No.17360120
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>>17360113
>t. filtered

>> No.17360122

>>17360113
Literally filtered.

>> No.17360135
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>>17360113
Everyone else

>> No.17360136

>>17360120
>>17360122
Cope
>>17360113
Jung was just trying to slide mysticism in academia, hes a hack

>> No.17360139

>>17360136
Psychological framing of metaphysics never seems to work. Meant to be more accessible but just obfuscates.

>> No.17360145

>>17360136
Jung wasn't even in academia, you psued. He didn't give a damn what midwit academics thought. He wasn't even Christian. Imagine being such a filtered pseud.

>> No.17360147

>>17360113
> Carl Jung
>A Philosopher
>A waste of time

Are you fucking retarded?

>> No.17360172

Why do reddit basedboys love Jung so much?

>> No.17360183

>>17360145
Man and his symbols is full of writings of his students tf you talking about

>> No.17360193

>>17360113
Fuck this Schizo hack.

>> No.17360197

Carl Jung wasn't a philosopher but he's not exactly the biggest waste of time in psychology, and especially the best of the psychoanalysts
Even if his theories are not exactly scientific, they are much more helpful for self-improvement and wellbeing than most methodologies
He's no academic skeptic, Seneca or Montaigne but he's better than his contemporaries in this regard

>> No.17360201

>>17360197
I mean, yeah archetypes and collective unconscious (which he based on a whooping sample size of 1ish, it seemed like it anyways) are utter nonsense with few equivalents in the field of gobbledygook but thinking of your problems in Jungian terms is still better than fads like cbt, lean thinking (remember how that was not a fad) or "mindfulness" (which totally works even though countless books have been written and sold on the matter and yet the wellbeing of their arduous readers is as bad as ever)

>> No.17360208

>>17360172
If you've got deep autism there might be something appealing about his concepts.

>> No.17360238

>>17360183
he had his own institution. he practically separated himself from academia and didn't care about them.
>>17360201
retard. start with plato.

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>>17360136
>mysticism

>> No.17360284

>>17360238
I literally put him below the Greeks and the Romans
I'm just saying you could do worse with his contemporaries and later generations in mind

>> No.17360290

>>17360284
>I literally put him below the Greeks and the Romans
what? what i mean is that if you start with plato you might have a better chance of understanding archetypes. if you have read plato, then read kant before jung.

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>>17360290
There's REALLY not much going on with the concept of archetypes, buddy. A child could come to the same conclusion Jung did without being taught or prompted.

>> No.17360311

>>17360113
Just as well Jung deconstructed time
>>17360172
Symbolic penis washing

>> No.17360336

>>17360304
that means you didn't understand him. read plato -> kant -> schopenhauer before calling archetypes and collective unconscious "gobbledygook" (lmao what a psued word)

>> No.17360384

>philosopher
he was a psychoanalysis and all you need to know from psychoanalysis is the basics of Freud tbqh

>> No.17360392

>>17360250
Did you ever think you would end up like this?

>> No.17360409

>>17360113
Jordan B. Peterson

>> No.17360432

>>17360250
im not saying mysticism is bad, Im just saying hes not that avant-garde and was just doing some basic ass stuff in relation to other philosophers

>> No.17360439

>>17360432
>t. didn't get it

>> No.17360843

>>17360432
If you said occultism you would have had a point.

>> No.17361071

>>17360384
>Freud
I don't read jewish rats sorry

>> No.17361091

>>17360113
Kys

>> No.17361092

>>17360432
>hes not that avant-garde

Are you fucking 15 or something? You don't even know what the avant garde is, kid.

>> No.17361108

Is Jung a philosopher?

>> No.17361178

>>17361092
Cringe

>> No.17361273

>>17360439
>>17360843
>>17361092
Jordan Peterson will never be your father

>> No.17361284

>>17360113
>filtered by literally God

>> No.17361290
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>>17360113
t. sigmund freud
still seething that your student surpassed you, Siggy?

>> No.17361301

No, and unlike the underaged posters who claim otherwise, I have read the ENTIRETY of Jung's published bibliography save for the UFO book, then about a third of the collected works. Then everything Von Franz wrote as well and many other jungians.

Waste of time is the perfect phrase to sum up Jung.

>> No.17361480

>>17360120
>>17361290
How can one man be this smug bros?

>> No.17361531

>>17361301
Let's hear it then. Why is it a waste?

>> No.17361665

Can narcissist twitter users GTFO off of 4chan, please?
You fucking ruin everything.

>> No.17361682

>>17361273
I hate Jordan Peterson. Why are you such a brainwashed establishment partisan?

>> No.17361785

Why are prints of his books so limited and expensive?

>> No.17362048

>>17361301
Beginner here,
Is Nietzsche also a waste of time?
Who isn't a waste of time?

>> No.17362055

>>17361301
If true, then why have you read all that? That's just plain dumb.

>> No.17362071

>>17362048
Nietzschre is not a waste of time

Jung, on the other hand, is

>> No.17362085

>>17360304
that literally proves him right

>> No.17362116

Why should I read Jung when I can just read Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Henry James, and Husserl and come out with an overall better experience?

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>>17360113
Also Jung is more based than any philosopher

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>>17360135

>> No.17362196

>>17362048
Neither Nietzsche or Jung is a waste of time, please read both

>> No.17362210

>>17362116
becuase Jung explained what they said in a much more sophisticated manner

>> No.17362220

If you’re reading this and you haven’t read about Jung, don’t let this one post deter you from him. Instead READ and come to your own conclusions instead of tossing Jung out the window because he’s too ‘reddit’.

>> No.17362223

>>17361108
He's technically a psychiatrist, but Jung said that he regarded philosophy and psychology to be two sides of the same coin

>> No.17362234

>>17360384
No Freud was a perv, and Jung's theories make much more sense

>> No.17362246

>>17362220
well said anon

>> No.17362503

>>17361301
retard
>inb4 read guenon

>> No.17362588

>>17361092
this.
>>17361273
cringe. Pe*terstein is not a Jungian, you seething faggot.

>> No.17362726

>>17360113
I bet you're a cringe materialist. Freud might be more up your alley, Jung is for people with a soul.

>> No.17362736

>>17360113
4chan.

>> No.17362737

what jung book is his core philosophy in?

>> No.17362772

>>17360290
What should I read by Plato to understand better his archetypes

>> No.17364279

>>17360113
jung is based you all are cringe 8)

>> No.17364490

Basically every philosopher whose works are predicated on Freudian theory in some way is a waste of time

>> No.17364497

tell me about anima and animus

>> No.17364539

>>17364497
anima - enema
animus - anus

>> No.17364548

>>17360113
it irritates me that this is exactly how I picture doctor behrens on the magic mountain

>> No.17364630

>>17360136
Jung was trying to slip himself into the role of messiah.

>> No.17364670

>>17360172
Idk. I imagine it could be sometime g with the rise of male depression in the western United States that has really sparked a reinterpret into the topics of mysticism and it’s place in helping restore balance to the lives of those that are fraught with negative consequence from previous choices that make transexuals such as yourself begin to hunger and crave male ejaculation. Like the fervor of quakes from a mans hips as he is Cummings, it seems to really get you off. The pearlette droplets of semen that decorate your face, dripping from place as though released from orbit, warm and lime home for you.

>> No.17364708

All French ones except Camus

>> No.17364774

Me

>> No.17364789

>>17362085
Holy based, take a You

>> No.17364872

>>17360172
It’s a weird phenomenon, Jung fans seem to be either pseuds or ascended, with everyone else dismissing him because he’s associated with the former.
Seeing stoners on the subreddit psychoanalyzing each other and trying to draw mandalas because they watched a YouTube video about him makes my skin crawl. I’m definitely not claiming to be a Jung master but it’s unbelievable how hard people miss his points and refuse to get into his big-boy works, considering how lucid of a writer he is.

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>>17360135
>t.

>> No.17364920

>>17362737
Collected works vol 9 i and ii, though you’ll probably need the supplementary lectures for the second part. After that there are different directions you can take for more detail in specific areas.
Man and His Symbols is good if you don’t want to invest as much but it’s pretty much a watered-down version of vol 9.

>> No.17365860

The fucking "scientific" materialists who hate him are a disgrace and a blight.
Call me when you faggots solve the hard problem of consciousness.

>> No.17366134

>>17361290
Jung was Freud’s peer. They worked as equals.

>> No.17366157

>>17362116
Ease of access? Jung’s writings are notoriously easy to read as he put in actual effort for the layman to be able to understand his writings rather than just other academics.

>> No.17366229

>>17366157
Depends on the books. Sure, those that he wrote as "introduction" are readable, but even practicing Jungians have trouble understanding Mysterium Coniunctionis.

>> No.17366443

>>17366229
True.

>> No.17367175

>>17364539
Go to bed, Maynard.

>> No.17368019

>>17360113
Popper

>> No.17368094

>>17364490
Freud's a much better read than Jung if you can buy into it ( i used to be able to read freud with pleasure, can't anymore). Jung is a mess

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>>17365860
You're literally just a complicated computer that uses chemicals for operations instead of pure electricity. Learn your fucking place and stop being an arrogant ape.

>> No.17368107

>>17368019
George Soros made billions because of Popper

>> No.17368154

>>17361301
I honestly dont belief your statement.

>> No.17368164

>>17368107
Can you give me a TL;DR on such matters?

>> No.17368168

>>17368102
>You're literally just a complicated computer that uses chemicals for operations instead of pure electricity. Learn your fucking place and stop being an arrogant ape.

I honestly dont see how one, would lead too two.

Why should the fact that I am a "complicated computer that uses chemicals for operations" mean that I should know my place or stop being an arrogant ape.

Why does 1. mean 2.

>> No.17368319

>>17368102
>You're literally just a complicated computer
You're arguing backwards from your conclusions, fag, you cannot test reality without the observer.
You learn your place and maybe you'll stop being an object of my sense-perceptions.

>> No.17368323

>>17364920
I found Man and His Symbols less readable than his core body of work, personally, because his students don't write quite as well.

>> No.17368794

My life got ruined when i googled osho jung.
My world view has never been the same
osho is a con artist mastermind that made 200 million off enlightenment