/lit/ - Literature

>no you're not mentally ill, it's just that your penis stinks

>>17352951
>The inevitable hardships of life taken to the extreme can cause mental problems of different sort, that happens much more frequently than a person just developing a mental illness out of blue.

What's so fucking complicated, /lit/?

>>17352951
it's just that your face is ugly

>>17352960
never going to that psychiatrist again desu

>>17352951
I don't particularly appreciate Peterson but the statement you greentexted is literally the reason psychology exists alongside psychiatry

>>17352951
Is this retard addicted to opiates? Isn't that considered mental illness?

>>17353153
>that happens much more frequently than a person just developing a mental illness out of blue
And much less frequently than genetic and developmental mental disorders.

>>17352951
Literally the most unhealthy thing you can say to a mentally ill person. Considering that he himself is unwell, I think he repeats this kind of stuff in his head as well. I have this theory that Peterson is so effective at preying on desperate people because he himself is one of them, perhaps more so than the others. He's like the queen bee of people with issues, and everyone else thus flocks to him.

>>17353222
Benzos which actually have worse withdrawal symptoms than opiates

>>17353424
>Literally the most unhealthy thing you can say to a mentally ill person.
Agreed; good thing JBP never said it.

Peterson's thinking is too rooted in that American conservative bootstraps mentality that ignores outside influences and factors effects on a person's psyche. While I generally agree with the idea that you should have your own affaris in order before trying to manage others, Peterson is somewhat myopic and too individualistic.

>>17352951
He's unironically correct for like 80% of depressed people
>muh neurotransmitters
Stand up straight with your shoulders back, eat healthy, exercise, have sex, get a job

i dont really want life advice from a broken man who was so wacked out he got his brain wiped by sketchy russian doctors

>>17353436
He did say it. And he's right, and it helped me put context to my mental health. You people are fags

>>17353231
>being depressed by environmental conditions is less common than actual, genuine mental defect
You are an insect, and if you did not revel in your state, I would pity you.

>>17353424
The truth is still part of the healing process, you fucking cunt. Compartmentalizing the issues in your life to some abstract "oh my neurowhatever chemicals are just genetically fucked" identity doesn't address the root issues at all. No one is saying that you should just give banal "sleep better xd" advices to a depressed person - but if you knew anything about psychotherapy you knew they almost always deal with getting your life together. Medical treatment is supportive. And the way to get your life together is slowly building many routines (exercise, sleep, eating, work, social life) which, when lacking, cause people mental issues of their respective predisposition - anxiety, depression etc.

Behavioral disorders are a way of fausting off responsibility onto a (soon-to-be) State-run welfare institution.

>>17353443
peterson isnt as bad as some of the pundits say. he's not some "man up bucko everything is your fault" type guy. thats a bit of a simplification of the man.

>>17353443
>American conservative bootstraps mentality
Mental that he's a Canadian leftist then huh

>>17353587
>leftist
he's not a leftist. at most he's just a classic liberal

>>17353552
But if you've already developed mental issues, doesn't that mean you are mentally ill? How is "you aren't mentally ill, your life just sucks" 'the truth' then? You sure you don't just eant to blame people for being mentally ill? Because that's all I can see this heading towards.

>>17353587
If Peterson is leftist to you, I don't want to know how right wing you are. The guy is famous for fearmongering about communists and SJWs brainwashing kids. He's not a leftist.

>>17353587
I bet you think Tim Pool and Sargon are leftists as well

>>17353478
>He did say it.
Where?

>>17353928
i don't remember where. But he said, if you're not accomplishing things that you want to accomplish, you're likely not depressed. If you've accomplished what you want and still fucked up, that's depression

>>17353624
He's a centrist. Barely right enough to be palatable by the mainstream American right.
Sad that America is the most right wing country when it's so lefty. World is fucked because of you people.

>>17352951
test

>>17354261
Received

>>17354258
He uses the term cultural marxism, which makes him a star of david away from being an outright nazi. His endless whining about the decline of the west and how the moral decay can only be stopped by returning to the glories of the past are also classic fascist themes. Basically, JP is a lite fascist, just a really incompetent one

>>17353222
Ad hom.

>>17354813
i mean he does give life advice to people and try to lecture them on how to live an optimal life, yet the man is a neurotic drug addict

>>17352951
Tough but fair

>>17353691
From the right the distinction between liberals and leftists is negligible in practice

>>17352951
More often than not, it does you less help to compartmentalize your mental illness as something beyond your control

it may alleviate personal guilt but it doesn't motivate growth or health

>>17353624
>The guy is famous for fearmongering about communists and SJWs brainwashing kids
Are you saying this isn't actually happening? Or that it just isn't a big deal? (Which I agree with to some extent, as all forms of teaching in public sectors are based on indoctrination, as it's easier to teach what to think rather than how)

>>17356168
25% of the American population are evangelical Christians who unironically believe in the young earth hypothesis, think evolution doesn't exist, and have donated money to televangelists. They also brainwash kids at actual camps and are growing faster than any fake communist or SJW boogeyman. And they do not believe in democracy and want to turn the US into a theocratic police state.

JP does not talk about Christian Fascists and constantly references the bible in his lectures. Are you getting my drift here?

>>17355942
more often than not huh. real credible

>>17356204
>Christian fascists
Yes he does you retard. Half of his talking points are about muh natzees, the other half about muh commies.

Also, the reason why sjwism is so pernicious compared to the rando creationists in low income areas is because people are buying into this ridiculous leftist religion while simultaneously gaining control over the mechanisms of society. It's the same reason why I care more about the beliefs of the pilot vs the beliefs of some passenger. If the pilot somehow believes he needs to sacrifice us to appease his god, I'm going to panic vs some passenger who can be stopped.

>>17352960
To be fair it does. I really need to shower soon.

>>17356204
Growing? How? I'm pretty sure that religion, and specifically christianity, is dying quickly in the developed world. Do you think this number of 25% is actually larger than it ever was in the past? I don't imagine it could be, and yet we've still come all this way without having once taken a step toward theocracy since we left it. From where I'm sitting you're doing the exact same thing you're condemning Peterson for doing. Maybe that subset of people are growing more radical, but who isn't in these times?

>>17353153
Neither of those people is white.

>>17354826
It's still an ad hominem.

>>17356204
>the left still thinks it's the Bush era
Enjoy being stuck several political paradigms ago.

>>17356247
This. Who cares if 25% of society believe something if that entire 25% are living in trailer parks? What actually matters is what the several percent who control the media, education, and technology believe. And it certainly isn't "Christian Fascism."

>>17356324
True, the new world order is devoid of faith in God.

Eventually God will show everyone though, everyone meets him at one point.

>>17353587
Hes a liberal. Commonwealth liberals are conservatives.

I ignored Peterson for years - When people either desperately love or desperately hate you it's a good sign you're either an idiot or an ideologue. But I recently stumbled into his lectures and they're honestly pretty decent. Seen a few of his interviews and he's a fairly banal thinker. Nothing dramatic in it until people blow it out of proportions.

However, I did like the way he described the function of both the left and right of politics. Conservatives wishing to keep the systems (hierarchies in his terminology) that have worked so well for us and the left being there to keep people from piling up on the bottom and to help alleviate corruption in these hierarchies.

A very simplistic view, but it's probably the best explanation of the difference between conservatives and liberals without getting bogged down in policy arguments. It explains the fairly dramatic shift of what was 'left' becomes 'right' after a fairly short amount of time.

As for the original post. What's so shocking about the idea that most people have relatively normal mental health, they just have shitty lives and are unequipped with the tools needed to deal with that. Turning to power drugs as the first port of call seems pretty fucking dangerous.

>>17356204
>theocratic police state
Better that than a tranny tyranny.

>>17356467
>However, I did like the way he described the function of both the left and right of politics. Conservatives wishing to keep the systems (hierarchies in his terminology) that have worked so well for us and the left being there to keep people from piling up on the bottom and to help alleviate corruption in these hierarchies.

Wasn't that originally J. S. Mill's idea?

>>17356534
Quite possibly. Peterson was the first person I heard describe it that way. Either way, it was probably the most insightful thing that has come out of Peterson's mouth in an interview.

I did enjoy his lecture on Jung. But I'm a sucker of Lion King and he used it quite heavily. Peterson seems like a reasonably intelligent person who suffers from the stupidity of the public, both his followers and detractors. The fact that he really doesn't tell people how they ought to think is his main problem. Giving people a little information and then pointing out some issues with current thought trends is a dangerous game.

>>17354763
>He uses the term cultural marxism, which makes him a star of david away from being an outright nazi.

So, very far from being a nazi? Your metaphor makes no sense.

>His endless whining about the decline of the west and how the moral decay can only be stopped by returning to the glories of the past are also classic fascist themes.

Where has he written anything remotely like this?

Yes, we should listen to the rantings of a benzo addicted diet guru..

>>17357610
Has he actually advised people to go on a meat only diet? I've heard him bitching and moaning about it. Mostly saying how extreme it was and not really very easy at all.

>>17352951
Mental illness is real and it is a problem but it might be less overwhelming if you took steps to ensure that your life didn't suck. It's like complaining about pulling a ten pound rock when you didn't bother taking off the fifty pound pack of rocks on your back. That's how I interpret his position anyway.

Probably true for most self diagnosed """""deppressed"""" people desu

>>17356204
>And they do not believe in democracy and want to turn the US into a theocratic police state.
And? What is wrong with that?

>>17352951
Is that what he says? I’ve literally never read him or listened to him before. That’s obviously true for most “depressed” people in the current era. It’s a lack of personal fulfillment, not some kind of chemical issue

>>17354258
You have an extremely distorted perspective, you spend way too much time in internet echo chambers. Peterson is plainly far right.

>>17356287
>Neither of those people is white.
esl
whiter than you

>>17354763
jesus fucking christ
get some help

>>17352951
what?

>>17352951
>you don't have any real problems, you're just a bad person and deserve it

>>17354763
You've never even seen a fascist on TV. You're going to piss your pants in fear if you ever actually meet one.

Communists will all get the rope

>>17354763
Fascism is based so I guess Peterson is kinda based then

>>17352951
that is literally his most based and accurate statement anon. every psychologist and psychiatrist, everyone who's ever looked into modern psychopathology, will agree with that.
it's not just brain chemicals, genetic factors etc. but character and society which contribute mostly to mental disease nowadays--not factoring in that a lot of things are now 'diseases' than were a few decades ago; though of course the term disease isn't used. I just know Selbststörung which is quite accurate to what we see in people, character traits which become harmful to the self.
trannies have selbststörung, not that they should be cured, but treated--for example.

>>17356204
>And they do not believe in democracy and want to turn the US into a theocratic police state.
Sounds cool

>>17353153
In that picture is Sanna Marin who is retarded social democrat pm from Finland, upgrade to lot of things would be her killing herself.
Also finns are not white.

>>17360015
>prime Aryan race is not white
now this is a novel take

>>17352951
this is a good point. when my father was diagnosed with cancer his doctor warned him that depression was a common side effect. this seemed a little silly. as if the spread of a tumor caused some part of the brain to misfire rather than you just being sad about the fact that you're dying.

>>17353222
Physical dependency is different from addiction. It's like dependence on insulin by diabetics.

>>17356298
Which is based.

>>17352951
If you aren't mentally ill, it's because your life sucks.

>>17353424
people have been brainwashed since decades by socialists
and when people tell the truth, how things really are, they are attacked by the indoctrinated (you)
stay ignorant

>>17356287
Shut up you stuttering fucking parrot