/lit/ - Literature

>>17351892
If living is meaningless then that's your meaning which makes it contradictory. I recommend theatetus by plato.

>>17351892
>then there is ultimately no reason to care about anything at all
How does that even follow?

I sincerely dont care
If i become darkness after i die for all eternity i still dont care

>>17351892
it's not a realization it's a cope from someone who failed to live up to a standard

>>17351892
>How does one justify living when living is meaningless?
You will grow out of this juvenile metaphysics.

>>17351892
>hurr durr no god therefore life is meaningless
Is there a retarded non-sequitur than this?

>>17351938
>just live life on auto-pilot mode bro!

>>17351938
>just be a npc bro

>>17351949
As long as I exist, life is meaningless
t. Death

>>17351926
"If" is fucking scary bro.

>>17351974
>>17351954
Go back to reading. I recommend Kant for starters.

Otherwise go to r/nihilism to circlejerk your primitive metaphysical concept.

>>17351980
no lol

>>17351998
I side with Schopenhauer.

>>17351914
>If living is meaningless then that's your meaning which makes it contradictory.
no, if life is meaningless, then non-life has to be the more meaningful "state", and is preferable
>I recommend theatetus by plato.
i'll look into it
>>17351921
>How does that even follow?
why do we do anything? we act based on desire for good and fear of pain, and all human endeavour can be reduced to these simple motivations. if there is no eternal good or anything to fear after death, then we are left with nothing but the pleasures we can collect in these few, short years, and the knowledge of the pains we must avoid. if these are all that exist, then good and evil are meaningless - the very definition of good is no longer something divine and eternal, but rather what will give me as much pleasure as i can take while still alive. i need not fear evil or punishment, if i can outwit the people around me and let loose my demons on those without power. i might as well live as a beast of the land, or kill myself, because neither will have meaning further out than my next impulse.
>>17351926
i almost wish for there to be only darkness, ahead and behind.
>>17351938
i have been sinking deeper into this swamp for the last 15 years, and i will turn 26 in a few months. i dont think you can "grow out of" thinking, anon. if you did, something went very wrong
>>17351949
either God is truly watching, and He will save us, or we are lost for ever
>>17351998
how will this remove the pain?

>>17352017
>i have been sinking deeper into this swamp for the last 15 years, and i will turn 26 in a few months. i dont think you can "grow out of" thinking, anon. if you did, something went very wrong

In that case maybe stop looking at memes and begin to pursue some philosophical learning.

>>17352043
>Any /lit/ on this loss of faith? How does one justify living when living is meaningless?

>>17352017
>I dont think you can "grow out of" thinking, anon.
If your best hot take is so retarded, you never thought about it seriously.

>there’s no game over screen
>therefore I shouldn’t play
Gamer logic. Or rather GAYmer logic

>>17352010
Quit the weed.

>>17351892
Well it's a good thing God is real then.

>>17352093
nice ANALogy

in the end, we're all slaves of pleasure, be it from a hedonistic way of life, creating or enjoying high arts or posting on an imageboard full of retards
or why are you here, OP?

>>17352107
I don't any drugs.
You should stop believing in your active dopamine system.

>>17351892
>implying religious people aren't hedonistic entrepreneurs
>implying religious people don't lose the will to life

>>17352133
He watched a youtube video on nihilism while stoned and now is here to get some (you)s.

>>17352139
im going out to get a 6pack, after which i will smoke some weed, drink, reflect on my mistakes, and think about reasons not to kill myself. after that i might write some more notes for the novel my family will publish after i fail to find good reasons.

>>17352154
im just hoping to get some inspiration before i blast my brains with alcohol and weed. ive made this thread a few times over the past few years

>>17352017
>i have been sinking deeper into this swamp for the last 15 years, and i will turn 26 in a few months. i dont think you can "grow out of" thinking, anon

You never know when God is going to come along and steal your wooden leg, anon.

>>17352156
>the novel my family will publish after i fail to find good reasons.
cringe bro

Para empezar deja de comer tutucas
Larita asi lo hubiese querido

>>17352223
gg

>>17351892
Hunger by Hamsun has a quote that stuck with me after identifying with the character.

>>17351892
Read Ecclesiastes, you might not have actually lost faith at all, but you might no longer recognize your faith as faith.

>>17351927
We all fail to live up to Christ's standard, but that realization isn't the same as loss of faith, which must be a truly dreadful madness.

i started the year reading the Bible and the Koran, never been more depressed in all my life

You cant really justify living at all, but it seems contradictory if you really think about it.
I just believe that God redeemed us through Christ, and therefore, try to live as he wants us to. If there is only darkness, then whatever, I lived a good life. Sure I didnt have glorious ammounts of sex or money, but I lived well. And if there is a God, then I will be glad that I didn't live such a hedonistic lifestyle.
It isn't hard for me to believe though, God's blessed me in so many ways.

>>17351892
I went through that phase as well. After thinking about it hard enough, I realized that it doesn't really change how I live my life.

>>17352953
You won’t be singing the same tune when death is around the corner.

>>17351892
Here is a consciousness-centric explanation of reality that I personally subscribe to:

lawofone.info

It's a free book series that was released in the 80's. It's not the framework you are familiar with, but give it a chance and you might be able to retain a sense of meaning within a new worldview.

>>17351892
I started without faith. Growing up in the Bible Belt makes that easy.

>>17351892
the fact that you even think about if life has a purpose or not is cringe

The Progress of Man

“First he appeared in the realm inanimate;
Thence came into the world of plants and lived
The plant-life many a year, nor called to mind
What he had been; then took the onward way
To animal existence, and once more
Remembers naught of what life vegetive,
Save when he feels himself moved with desire
Towards it in the season of sweet flowers,
As babes that seek the breast and know not why.
Again the wise Creator whom thou knowest
Uplifted him from animality
To Man’s estate; and so from realm to realm
Advancing, he became intelligent,
Cunning and keen of wit, as he is now.
No memory of his past abides with him,
And from his present soul he shall be changed.
Though he is fallen asleep, God will not leave him
In this forgetfulness. Awakened, he
Will laugh to think what troublous dreams he had.
And wonder how his happy state of being
He could forget, and not perceive that all
Those pains and sorrows were the effect of sleep
And guile and vain illusion. So this world
Seems lasting, though ‘tis but the sleepers’ dream;
Who, when the appointed Day shall dawn, escapes
From dark imaginings that haunted him,
And turns with laughter on his phantom griefs
When he beholds his everlasting home.”

— Rumi

>>17351892
You've fallen for a typical trap among most people thinking that everything is reducing to some binary outcome.
>if god then meaning
>if no god then no meaning
But this does not have to be the case at all. The absence of God isn't the absence of meaning. God's absence is the culmination of meaning. It is the final rejection of a human being to need some transcendent source for their values. Losing faith is part if recognizing that all those feelings and meaningful experiences you felt "because of god" were never because of god to begin with. You can have those same authentic values without it being written into the creation of the universe.
>where do they come from
They come you and your community. It's as simple as that. They way you understand the world is neither solopsistic nor entirely communal. You have to engage with the communal values you grow up with critically and forge your own path. This means you may get things wrong in terms of how you actually want to live your life. But because you have both a community and yourself checking your values, you will be able to develop meaningful relationships with yourself and others. Don't become some 4chan basement dweller that thinks he's some mysterious dwarf from an unpublished Tolkien poem. Meaning comes from humans and their interactions and is not meaningless because it wasn't given to them by a creator (in fact it's emancipatory). As far as hedonism and suicide go. Just look at how society discusses those things. Look at people who have decided to those things and decide what each if those lives mean to you. If you want to pick one, go for it. If not, as I hope you will not, try to discover the kind of life you want to live by being around others.
>also get a damn gf having a person you can connect with on an intimate and emotional level is incredibly important

>>17351892
This board is 18+

Read this, anon.

>>17354103
>also get a damn gf having a person you can connect with on an intimate and emotional level is incredibly important

its not that easy to just "get" one

>>17351892
This is what religion does to people. "If all of known existence is all there is and I'm not eternal, nothing matters! Sob!" It's just fucking sad to watch.

>>17354877
It's not that hard either.

>>17355636
yeah it is. its the hardest thing ive ever done in my life.

>>17351980
Oblivion would be a mercy compared to the torment of eternal damnation that you all will receieve for haughtily turning your back on the God who loves you.

>>17355666
>checked
Also sorry to hear that.

>>17352223
cantidad de voxeros, cantidad.
sos el de cine voxero?

The board is clear. The etch-a-sketch is shaken. Time to start building. What will you do with your newfound freedom? what does your will command of you?

>>17351892
>>If there is no God, if there is no Judgement Day, if there is no divine justice after death, then there is ultimately no reason to care about anything at all
It's no wonder why the most religious countries currently are all shitholes full of low IQ niggers. This is embarrassing to read, you are a barely functional retard.

>>17356280
No padre, estoy de paso nomas
Estaba tranquilo lurkeando cuando el gordo este me trajo a la memoria a Larita
Suerte gordo espero leerte en este u otro antro :)

>>17351914
how tf would theaetetus help?

Y'know, there's a writer who dedicated himself to solving this question, there's at least 3 threads about him on the front page at any given moment...

>>17357116
With all the shit-talking about Nietzsche I'm not surprised OP hasn't read him.

>>17355676
>he will send you to eternal damnation where you will burn and choke and scream and suffer and die for all eternity
>he loves you

>>17356614
Digo lo mismo anon, ahora que murio Rozed siento que va a la comunidad le espera el mismo destino y me causa cierta pena. Que descanse en paz Lara.

>>17356595
>Durr durr religious countries full of low IQ's! brr brr haha! How embarrassing!
There's no correlation whatsoever. You're incredibly retarded, and that's coming from someone who is indifferent to religion.

>>17351892
Don't be afraid, God is real. Please attend an Orthodox church this Sunday

>>17357325
At the second coming of Christ and the resurrection of the dead all of creation will be filled with His light. If you have rejected Him and cleave to earthly things which will pass away, yes you will suffer because then His love only hardens your heart

>>17356595
Except that's correct. If there is no God then there is no standard. You can try to build your own standard but who cares? It has no real meaning and there is nothing to strive for because it's all the same crashing of atoms anyways

>>17352017
>no, if life is meaningless, then non-life has to be the more meaningful "state", and is preferable
that isn't logically sound, anon

If there is no justification for living then there's no need to justify living. Just think about how you'd like to spend your time here and try your best to do so. If you want to spend it curled up on the floor whinging about muh nihilism that's your prerogative

>”if there is no God”

Stopped reading there. There is a God, because reality exists and cannot come from nothing unless God exists.
All other explanations are false and retarded.

/The End

>>17359586
18+ to post here

>>17351892
We're only going to read more crap like this as the millennium continues. Cut through all the bullshit and you encounter a simple common cause. Humans are social creatures and belonging to a community is just as much of a need for mental health as food is for physical health. You don't need a new outlook or ideology, you need to feel acceptance and belonging in a real flesh and blood brick and mortar community. Without this all your malaise is just cope speak for "I am alone." Your monkey brain is hardwired to associate the lack of community with negative thoughts because you are literally being filtered from reproducing. It benefits the collective if the dysgenic social outcasts die off. The 21st century problem is what happens when communities themselves die off and hordes of turbo normies are plagued by negative thoughts from what is missing not what was taken from them.

>>17352223
I have never eaten a tutuca.
>>17356614
Ok, first off, I'm not that fat. Ive gained weight in the past year, true, because quarantine and depression, but Im not that fat. But seriously, why are you so creepy, anon? Your comments here have been the creepiest shit, what's up?
>>17357696
Who is Rozed? What are you talking about?

>>17351892
Living isn’t meaningless. I seek to be an awesome warrior hunter like my caveman ancestors, and spawn yet more children, so my lineage lasts as long as it can in defiance of entropy and the universe.

>>17351892
cute girl :<

I never had faith to begin with. I'm just here, and I don't want despair. Therefore I work to support my own life and to continue having and developing the connections that I value. Then I will die.

The living hell of hopeless misery is something to be feared, you can't use your intellect to escape it. The living heaven of contentment is self-explanatory, you will be content with being alive, regardless of anything else. You can also not change that fact through your intellect. It is all very simple. The pains and pleasures of life exist. They will mean something to do whether you like it or not. Accept reality.

>>17351892
Just pull yourself up by your existential bootstraps, bro. Create your own goals and values and try your best to fulfill them. If it's not working, burn it all down and try again.
Cyclical existential crises are a sign of intellectual maturity and self awareness. But over time you will get better at addressing them without falling apart, and eventually take them in stride. After all, why take it all so seriously if existence is meaningless?

>>17351892
OP, were you a believer before? If so, this anon may be correct >>17352829
In answer to your question, there is no way to justify living when living is meaningless. If life is meaningless, and your life brings you only misery, then it would seem almost logical to end it if there is no real attainable way to escape that misery and make it pleasurable. Maybe you can give your own life meaning through some arbitrary principles, but those too are inherently meaningless. The whole sham topples after any introspection that goes more than skin deep.
When I personally was in your position, the way I justified living was by working a lot to make money to fund my hedonism. I personally found that as long as I still had the opportunity to obtain strong enough pleasures(typically from beer and fat women off of tinder/parties, but also pleasures like travel, hiking, etc), that the misery of labor was worth it. That's what kept me from ending it.
Still OP, in all honesty I must admit my bias. I no longer live my life that way, and while I said that I was in your position before I do not know if that was entirely accurate. I was raised as a devout believer myself, and even during that time of lost faith there was the smallest spark of the Christian belief in my heart(even though I didn't recognize it myself). All it took was the terror of my Mom getting cancer and a few failed operation attempts to get me to drop to my knees and pray again. Now I understand that my faith, albeit illogical, is inescapable.

>>17351892
The anime Angels Egg is about this very topic

>>17362075
on the topic of egg anime, I'm really enjoying the seasonal

>>17351892
CONGRATS YOU'VE EXPERIENCED YOUR FIRST CONTACT WITH NIHILISM NOW IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEFEAT IT BY WRESTLING WITH IT AND THINKING IT THROUGH