/lit/ - Literature

>>17351389
Well, the stream of consciousness and inner monologue was the adaptation of Wagner's musical techniques, along with some of his own artistic theories, to the written word by Édouard Dujardin, and less so George Moor. Try there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6lRoIlXzdU

Later users of the stream of consciousness technique, such as Joyce, were also heavily influenced by Wagner.

>>17351412
So Tristam Shandy does not exist? Authors had been experimenting with it long before Wagner.

>>17351412
Thanks for the info, anon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Moor is unlikely to be an intentional misspelling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Henry_Moore_(author) is unlikely to be, leaving https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Moore_(novelist)

>>17351447
Tristam Shandy -- I remember wasting a British movie about that, it too had a flow about it.
I have several about the so-called ergodic work- house of leaves, and one other.

>>17351447
Obviously, all artistic developments are prefigured by other creations sometimes unknowingly, but I'm saying Wagner was the key figure for it to become as apparent as it did in the 20th century. Even Joyce wrote as a dedication to Dujardin in the French edition of Ulysses, "to the discoverer of interior monologue, from the unrepentant thief!"

>>17351389
Virginia Woolf comes to mind, and although I haven't read any of his work, I hear that László Krasznahorkai's writing style is in that style too

Dunno why Wagner gets talked about so frequently here. I've not read anything by him and his more prominent works are boring, although I've never taken to opera or romantic anything. Defo nothing like a 10h Sorabji piece that's technically difficult and long.

>>17351553
>Wagner wasn't technically difficult and long

>>17351553
ye I love masturbatory technicality with no musical worth

>>17351487
My point was that it was more than Wagner. The influence of Tristam Shandy on the modernists is obvious and well documented. During the 19th century and you can see its use in literature slowly increasing as the century goes on until the modernists hit and wrote works based around the technique instead of just using it here and there. It was coming regardless of Wagner, he certainly played a role but attributing it to him is a little silly. At most you could call him the tipping point.

>>17351553
>Dunno why Wagner gets talked about so frequently here.
We have a few Wagner autists.

>>17351563
You seem as though you've never composed or played an instrument adeptly enough to know what you're talking about.
>>17351635
Musical worth is subjective. Musical complexity is objective. I like difficult (or impossible) music, one that's not fully predictable. Some like the classical or romantic period over the baroque one. I'd take ceceil taylor over wagner 99% of the time.
Regardless, nobody cares.

>>17351870
>You seem as though you've never composed or played an instrument adeptly enough to know what you're talking about.
Lol, cope. Wagner is amongst the most complex and longest music ever written, virtually no one disagrees with this except for yourself apparently.

>>17351870
>Musical worth is subjective.
Cope for not thinking enough about art.

>>17353013
>>17353003
Go back to kindergarden, you don't even live up to the title of pseudointellectual, you're a deluded fool. I'd pity you, but you lack the brain cells to better yourself with any amount of time.

>>17353893
>just insults
Literal and unironic cope.

>>17351870
>Musical complexity is objective
You out stupided the wagnerfags. Impressive.