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if you live there then sure but outside of Ireland i am not sure what benefit knowing Irish could give over other languages like French or German

>>17351126
The Irish don't seem to think so

Literally none of the Irish speak it or if they do its not there first language. The only barrier to conversing with the Irish is the accent.

It's an awkward enough language to get to grips with. Being Irish I learned it since I was four, proper Irish from an actual Irish speaking majority region not some Dublin shit. There's such a lack of words in it it's hard to explain; English has so many words to say things with for different levels of professionalism or style but in Irish it's totally absent, everything means exactly what you write.

>>17351173
Sounds based. No yucky abstract shit, just a pure salt of the earth language. Old English is similar.

>>17351173
I should add that this map is very wrong, if you actually listened to the majority of these people speak Irish they would struggle belong saying their name and where they live.

>>17351180
It's okay, maybe I'm just sick of it but the essays I was writing in my final year of school at honours level were comparable to what a child would write in English to say how their day went.

Isn’t it called gaylick?

>>17351189
only by retarded burgers, it's called Gaeilge in Ireland

No. Its a pathetic LARP done purely because he Irish have no identity besides frothing at the mouth over literally anything the English do

>>17351173
As a native Slavic speaker, English is too constraining and uncreative to me. I can only imagine Irish then.

>>17351262
I'll assume you're an ESL? English I think has too many words if anything and Joyce really showed that when he was writing. French and Irish though are quite restricting in comparison. Beckett wrote in French because it was more restricting than English for example; although I know nothing of slavic languages to be fair.

>>17351126
If fiú é, má tá tú i do chonaí in Éireann. Muna bhfuil, ní bhfíú, seachas má tá tú ag déanamh stáidéar ar stair na tíre, chun a bheith macánta leat. Fós, cuireann sé luachar orm a fheiceal, go bhfuil suim ag daoine thar lar i nGaeilge. Béir bua

>>17351276
tob o de mornin do ye :DD

>>17351173
lack of words is not a problem I think it's even an advantage. you can just make up words

>>17351262
Are you certain you aren't just poor at English?

>>17351126
Is latin?

>>17351282
There's already a lot of lazily borrowed words from English that have been translated over for that purpose. I mean most of the great works would never work printed in Irish because it's so limiting.

>>17351283
Incorporating eloquent vocabulary does not compensate for the grammatical and word order limitations.

For creative analogy you can write sentence in any word order in slavic language which makes literature, especially poetry extremely fluid and creative.

>>17351282
the advantage of a lack of words is that you can make up words so you don't have a lack of words?

>>17351173
>>17351262
All language is infinitely generative. If you can't express yourself in a language, that's on you.

>>17351298
so you have a freedom to make up words and that's what English doesn't have anymore

>>17351301
you can absolutely make up words and give them meaning but there are so many words that yours won't become popular and known by others unless its ghetto slang like 'finna'

>>17351301
>tweet
>metametaphysics
>"always-already"
Either through our own devices or imports we continue to do this to our very day.

>>17351301
that's what ebonics are for

>>17351301
even if i don't have a specific word for what i mean, i can at least within a sentence explain it anyway

>>17351173
its because when they formalised the language for education purposes during the Celtic revival they only studied/recorded its use in what were impoverished farming communities. This was because the idiots involved in the movement it romanticised the lifestyles of the destitute and lowly peoples of rural ireland and rejected their own upper-middle class upbringing. The celtic revival movement was driven in large part by wealthy dim wits from leafy suburban areas in search of some sense of "authenticity" to their irish-ness. The movement single handedly killed off portions of the language and culture of ireland because its members were trying to rebel against their parents. Obviously it benefited Ireland by preserving some elements of our ancient customs, but its resulted in Irish people knowing far more about their celtic pre-english culture than we do about the rest of our far more recent history.

>>17351173
Wonder how it compares to old and middle Irish

>>17351126
scottish gaelic is better.
main things that make it better are
.more archaic grammar
.more archaic pronunciation
.has ossian poems in the original

>>17351173
this has to be total shite. in scottish gaelic we have words for everything. feallsanachd-inntinn (metaphysics), co-structachalachd shòisealta (social constructivism), cè-mheas (geometry) and so on

>>17351146
/thread

>>17351126
how did Ireland end up being so cucked?

Its one of those places that seemed to be so historically interesting for centuries and in the last 50 years just turned into a stale boring EuroCuck island

The same thing happened with Scotland.

>>17352026
American occupation .

>>17352026
We decided being the victim was better than standing on our own two feet now our teenagers suck the cock of American culture and hardly seem Irish. BLM bollocks was big over here and people legitimately tried to make out our gardai were racist murderers when they aren't even armed. If only Michael Collins survived.

>>17352026
What do you mean “cucked”? Like left-wing? You do realise the Republic of Ireland was created by left wing paramilitary groups like the IRA? Ireland was literally founded by leftists.

>>17352104
The Gardai tweet feed is about the funniest place in the internet.

>>17352142
Most of them died in 1916, the leaders that is, the rest went against the treaty and fought against the new government. Mick Collins definitely wasn't a massive socialist anyway and the Cumann na nGaedheal the pro-treaty party that became Fine Gael have Collins as their figurehead and they are certainly not left-wing economically, socially ehh it depends but definitely not like modern day Sinn Fein, or People before Profit or the untold other number of shit little socialist parties we have.

>>17352189
Probably full of bright haired faggots in repeal the 8th jumpers and problem glasses moaning about either racism and weed I'll assume lol.

>>17351291
>For creative analogy you can write sentence in any word order in slavic language

What do you mean?

Do you mean what?

Mean what you do?

Do mean what you?

You can do this in English but it sounds like grug speak. How does Slavic compare?

>>17352235
I had speed tickets and funny burglar stories in mind

>>17351126
Irish fag. No

>>17351126
To the anon who originally asked the question, and to those who wonder the same, I will offer my insight. I am a native Irish speaker. First and foremost, I would advise you to dismiss the opinions of L2 Irish learners outright, whether on 4chan, Reddit or on whatever social platform you come across them, for their relationship with Irish is shallow. To be blunt, your average L2 learners are the plebeians of the Irish language, peddling around a piddly, childish and anglicised version of Irish with no familiarity or connection with Irish literature, modern or otherwise. Egotists that they are, they think because their Irish is constricted and underdeveloped that Irish as a whole must be as well. Any reasonable person who is conversant in Irish literature will know this to be untrue, as will those whose knowledge of Irish is in-depth. Ironically, these L2 learners will mewl about elitism when we try to convince them to speak an Irish which you think would be the base standard for anyone who wants to claim they ‘speak’ Irish. Monuar, they just froth at the mouth.
In my opinion, it is worth learning, especially if you are one of our folk. I’ll try to convince you, though in brief, for I am working. To learn Irish is to gain access to not only gratifying and intriguing literature, but historical sources as well. When you become conversant in Irish literature, it is only a hop, skip and a jump to pre-standard Classical Irish, the poetry of which is beautiful, creative and fascinating. Munster Irish is a tremendous help in this regard, as it is the dialect which is closest to Classical Irish. To learn Irish gives insight into the way we write and speak English (think of Joyce’s prose, Synge or any of our writers who use Hiberno-English). If you wish to read the Táin, you can read it and our other epics in wonderfully translated modern Irish, thanks to the efforts of Darach Ó Scolaí and Diarmuid Johnson. I could speak about the confidence it gives to you, and the connection to a mindset tailored to the world view of our people, but I do not wish to get too abstract. However, to walk in the Irish countryside on a summer’s day and know the meaning of the places names around you is alone worth learning Irish. This is all I can say for now.

>>17352473
'placenames, bloody autocorrect.

>>17351126
There are great writers in Irish
Flann O Brien
Máirtín Ó Direáin
Caitlín Maude
Song of Fergus in Yeats.

There is rich mythology in the Táin Bó Cúailnge and many songs in Irish. The real wealth in Irish comes from our songs or the music.

Irish also changes the way Irish speak english.
Arrah, Garsún, sleeven, Mor-yeah, I'm after going, I am, Musha, To be sure are all direct translation of irish equivalents.

Huge portions of Joyces ouevre can only be understood through Hiberno English. Finnegans wake starts to rhyme beautfifully in an irish accent.

If you want to use words creatively you should understand many languages. Joyce, Tolkien, Dante even Cormac McCarthy uses some Spanish.

>>17352512
Some songs:
Oró, Sé Do Bheatha 'Bhaile
Róisín Dubh
An poc ar buile
Fear an Bhata
Mo Ghile Mear
Fáinne Geal an Lae
O Sullivans March
Casadh an tSúgáin
Amhrán na bhFiann
Any music by Turlough O', Liam Flynn, or Seamus Ennis

Also look up the Seanchaí, they are similar to the poets in the days of Homer who could recite poetry and songs in a sitting.

>>17352473
I should add that there are L2 learners who do become proper Irish speakers, but they are a minority. They are worthy of carrying it on.

>>17352557
Monospeakers are rare, but I noticed they have the loveliest accents. L2 speakers have typical sort of neutral irish accents. I can identify an native speaker straight away. And irish sounds so much more natural when I speak it as opposed to english. It flows much better with our accents.

>>17352577
The ones I knew sounded like they were deaf

>>17352229
>the rest went against the treaty and fought against the new government
That wasn't over social or economic issues; it was political. They disliked the treaty, to my understanding, because it made the Irish government swear allegiance to the British monarchy. Either way, whatever the historical nuances, it is absurd to look at the history of the Irish nation -- which was heavily influenced by leftism and built upon fighting against Anglo-Saxon racial oppression -- and wonder why Irish people are "cucked" as that anon put it.

>>17352637
>That wasn't over social or economic issues
A lot of it was, they felt they would be the exact same if a socialist republic wasn't set up. Connolly was and still is a big influence to them.

>>17352142
No. 1 There is no such thing as the Republic of Ireland
No. 2 The Irish Revolution was not simply 'left-wing'. If you believe that, you have clearly fallen for reductive online memes put out by SF or God knows who. Read a book.

>>17352637
The revolution was probably the most conservative revolution ever attempted. The IRA & PIRA are most certainly not socialist, as much as Sinn Fein want to pretend. There were a fringe group of Maoists who were leftwing because of Vietnam.

Leftists are mostly irrelevant in the context of irish history although they are excellent at self promotion.

>>17352670
^^Blessed anon!

>>17351126
It’s not really. Ireland has produced some of the greatest writers in history, but they’ve all written in English.

There isn’t much commercial benefit to learning it either because nearly 100% of people in Ireland speak English.

If you are really passionate about Ireland and it’s history then I guess go for it, but if you are shopping around for a language to learn, I’d have to rank things as far down the list as Farsi and Polish as being both easier to learn and more useful than Irish Gaelic.

>>17351262
As a speaker of Portuguese and Spanish, I can relate.

>>17352309
Not him

Languages from Latin (Slavic Idioms too, I suppose) can say stuff in different order without being grammarly incorrect and without being weird.

Also, we don't need in a lot of cases grammar articles before substantives or pronouns before names. Thus, words are more "independent", you could say.

Example, in Portuguese:
>O que você quer dizer?
>O que quer dizer?
>Você quer dizer o que?
>Quer dizer o que?

Note that the order can change and "você" ("You") can be hidden, as the conjugation of the verb "quer" already kind of makes it clear that the subject is "you" (could also be "he" in this case and in many others but in the context of the text the reader will know who it's refering to).

I reckon it's the same with Slavic, as my Russian friend already gave me a bit of an introduction to the language and I could see it has similar characteristics to Portuguese and Spanish when it comes to grammar cases and verb conjugations.

>>17351126
Even Irish people don't know it anymore.

>>17352678
You really feel our poverty in terms of language when you interact with mainland Europeans. If you lose a link to thousands of years of history it really begins to hurt.

Ive personally seen ancient manuscripts from the 4th or 5th century AD that describe rules about hurling, rules about hospitality, slander or even beekeeping.

We had and still have a rich Gaelic culture and it can be restarted if taught in the correct why. Why not have two languages side by side like Wales or Israel.

>>17352678
*greatest writers in history of the English language.

As for its economic use, are you really going to live your life by the measure of pennies you will get out of something? What an Anglo mindset!

>>17352670
You're a retard mate. The PIRA had nothing to do with the creation of the Republic. The Official IRA were a socialist organisation.

I’m a burger with no Irish roots who struggled with the language years ago, both Irish and the Scottish dialect, and I was probably better at the Scottish one after spending some time in the Outer Hebrides. You will have a better access to some of the world’s greatest literature and song, but becoming fluent in a modern spoken dialect will require total immersion. Honestly I was a dilettante flitting from one dialect and era to another and wished I had been more focused as I’ve forgotten a lot of what I learned.
Fun fact: Trump’s mom was born Mary Macleod, a native Garlic speaker from the Isle of Lewis in the Hebrides.

>>17352785
The IRA and later the PIRA were not really socialist. The rank and file didnt really give a shit all they wanted was Britain out of Ireland.
The original split happened because the OIRA was too Marxist and swung too much to the left.

OIRA were pussies who called a ceasefire at the height of the Troubles and they later infiltrated RTE and blocked anything to do with the PIRA.

>>17352815
>willy the janitor about Irish people .jpg

>>17352833
The British were openly shooting Irish people in the streets, MI5 let bombs off down south and they were giving weapons and houses addresses to loyalist death squads. If you can't fight back against that, you cannot call yourself an Army.

Its literally an open secret OIRA infiltrated RTE and the Labour party.

>>17351173
>everything means exactly what you write.
Irish speaker here. It doesn't. I could understand if you were saying that things often rely on context to give a meaning, but Irish is definitely not a technical languages where what you write is exactly what you mean. Usually what you write will have several meanings, and it's pretty common to find words which mean their opposite. There's also different registers for different levels of professionalism, and some pretty formalised styles. To make it technical though requires a real effort (something which the official standard often gets wrong despite its efforts and heavy English borrowing)
>>17351126
Depends why you want it. For poetry it's beyond Russian tier because it's got that vowel matching on speed, along with plenty of contextual dependence.

>>17352726
>>17352729
I completely agree that Ireland ought to seek to revive the Irish language, that it should be taught in schools from the earliest levels and the government should try to promote speaking the language where ever possible.

But if you are an American looking to pick up a second language, I’m not sure it really sits near the top of the list.

I completely agree that the language is essential for being connected with the history of your people, and agree that that a big reason why all Irish should care about reviving the language. But if you aren’t Irish, and don’t have any concrete connection to Ireland, learning Irish has a similar position to learning latin or Ancient Greek.

I’d say the same thing about somebody asking about the Inuit language. It’s another great language driven to near annihilation by England, and is gradually being revived by the Inuit people, but for people outside that nation there’s few reasons to put the energy into learning an entire language.

>>17352896
But on the other hand what is Irish culture without England and the English language? The only reason the Irish literary scene was able to flourish as it did was because Irish authors writing in English had a massive readership in the UK, US, Australia, Canada, and because of this were able to get their works translated as well. If they wrote in Irish, Irish literature would be obscure and irrelevant.

>>17352896
They should dub children's cartoons if they don't already

>>17352927
Irish literature goes all the way back to Old Irish. What you're saying only makes sense if you're confining English literature as well to the 20th Century, and even then about half the famous Irish writers of that period also wrote in another language to English.

>>17352948
They do. If you want SpongeBob or South Park off state channels here, you need to speak Irish.

That map really doesn't want want water in the west.

>>17352958
Nobody reads any of that though. All our relevant writers wrote in English. Lawrence Sterne, Joyce, Oscar Wilde, Yeats, George Bernard Shaw, and so on. Literature in the Irish language is only interesting from a historical perspective.
I don't get why it has to be like this to be honest. What makes Celtic inferior to the Germanic culture of Anglo-Saxons? Why were we not able to establish our own cultural supremacy without being anglocised, along with the Scots, Welsh, Cornish, and Celtic Britons? This shit really makes me hate myself.

>>17353197
>Literature in the Irish language is only interesting from a historical perspective.

Clearly you know a lot about Irish literature.

>>17353275
>Clearly you know a lot about Irish literature.
Not a single person who wrote in Irish primarily or anything that is written in Irish can hold a candle to what our English speaking writers have done.

>>17353295
Martin O Direan?

look dont be fetisht for english either. Its more powerful due to cultural hegenomy. In some magic world where Irish has a few hundred million speakers, many of the same books would still be written (in Irish instead of English). You shouldnt disparage language on that ground.

>>17353295
Oh please elaborate. I would love to hear what drivel will fall from your mouth. As a matter of fact, if you are so certain of your opinion, why not give a comprehensive breakdown of contemporary Irish language literature first? I am sure you could only make so bold a claim if you have a mastery of both languages which you used to compare the works of both.

>>17351126
no way this map is accurate. this is probably related to the density of people who pass school gaelic exams. any catholic i know who did gaelic in school forgets it beyond common phrases and perhaps counting - if you aren't invested in gaelic literature or translating/writing it, don't bother.

maybe in the slim chance your future spouse has an exclusively irish speaking parent or something but that's extremely unlikely. connemara seems to have the most gaelic speakers and even they can all speak english

>>17353358
The Anglo-Saxons conquered all of the Celtic races of Britain and Ireland and dominated them culturally. Nobody reads literature written in Celtic languages. Celts are inferior to Germanics.

>>17353197
I'd say more people know Pangúr Bán than Tristam is we're going by normies. If we're going by people who are into literature, Heaney and Kinsella are translating Old Irish to spoon-feed it to a broader audience, and Beckett winds up writing more in French just like Wilde. Joyce is mostly famous for writing a kind of creole which you need at least some knowledge of Irish and Old Irish to interpret as more than noise.
And the reason why people don't care: we left government in English. If we did like the Jews in 1947 and made Irish the language of power, then it'd be modernised and spoken fluently like what happened with Hebrew. Hebrew had a greater difficulty if anything because it was an ancient language, while Irish was still living at the time.

>>17353423
>conquered all of the Celtic races of Britain and Ireland and dominated them culturally.
>the LARPer view of history
You do know basic history books or historical atlases exist right? And /lit/ might read them?

>>17353423
Anymore tremendous paragraph-long insights? I am sure you are chocked full of them.

>>17352473
>I am a native Irish speaker
Incredibly rare. Hi, Gaelpatrick.

>>17353399
You from the English side? I'd say the results up North are probably more legit, and probably reflect gaelscoileanna distribution, because a lot of Irish parents up north want their kid to grow up fluent.
Calling it Gaelic or specifying that a school is Catholic doesn't happen in the south. The density of speakers there is probably artificially inflated, but gaelscoileanna are still really popular in the south especially with immigrants whose kids won't make the language exception.
>>17353399
>connemara seems to have the most gaelic speakers and even they can all speak english
So can the Dutch and Swedes etc, but they don't use it among themselves.

Do you guys think it's more worthwhile to learn Irish, Scottish Gaelic, or Welsh? Obviously Welsh and Irish have more speakers, but I get the feeling that the sparsity (and rural nature) of Scottish Gaelic would make it more wholesome and authentic. I would consider Manx too but it's basically dead. Even on Man Manx speakers are a rarity. I've done pretty well in life so I'll be able to retire well before 35. I'm considering moving to and integrating within rural Bongolia in some form or another (yes you wignat fags I am 100% White, mostly Scottish and Irish). Thoughts?

>>17353548
There are around 80,000 of us. Bilingual of course. The only monolinguals are young children who have yet to learn English and some old folk whose lack of English necessitates them to rely on relatives who speak English to translate for them when they go hospital.

>>17353594
That's very very cool indeed. I assume you're from the western fringes? How do you feel about the state of Irish? Do you think the government is doing enough to promote it? Or are they too preoccupied with spreading their ass for globalhomo?

>>17352473
Based post. I'm English but of half-Irish parentage and as such am very fond of the country of Ireland. I enjoyed the perspective into the culture of the isle and the role that the language plays that your post provided.

>>17353317
>Martin O Direan?
Compared to Joyce or Wilde? Come on to fuck man.
>>17353358
>Oh please elaborate. I would love to hear what drivel will fall from your mouth. As a matter of fact, if you are so certain of your opinion, why not give a comprehensive breakdown of contemporary Irish language literature first? I am sure you could only make so bold a claim if you have a mastery of both languages which you used to compare the works of both.
>I READ GEIBHEANN AND IT WAS REALLY DEEP FUCK YOU
You gonna call me blueshirt next or will you be too busy sucking Mary Lou's asshole? You retards are fucking embarrassing I'd kick every one of you retards up into the North if I could.

>>17353581
Manx is Ulster Irish spelt phonetically mostly. If you learnt Manx you'd be able to understand a lot of Ulster and northern Connaught Irish, but not write it. Manx is written to make it easy for English speakers to learn because the writing system was invented to teach preachers how to speak to the natives.
Welsh has the most resources to learn it, but they're also p-celts, while the others are q-celts, so it's easier to pick up three languages with a common root if you go for Scottish/Irish/Manx. Wales, Ireland, and Scotland all have their densest populations of speakers in historically poor, remote, rainy places though so you might consider that before moving and going all in.

>>17351126
Gaelic languages seem pretty interesting. Would be cool to learn it at least a little to get exposure to a completely different branch of IE languages

>>17353636
>Manx is Ulster Irish spelt phonetically mostly
Really? That's interesting, I had no idea. I knew Manx was adjacent to Irish but I didn't think it was that close.
>you'd be able to understand a lot of Ulster and northern Connaught Irish, but not write it
I suppose intuitively it makes sense that there would be dialects of Irish but... I hadn't considered it lol.
>poor, remote, rainy places though so you might consider that before moving and going all in.
My bread and butter! I'm from the PNW so I'll fit right in. I think the ultimate deciding factor for where I'd want to resettle would be the political situation over the next few years, as well as relative property prices. ty for the info.

No dead languages are worth learning. Yet many government agencies have to accommodate for these relics or face massive fines for language discrimination. It's pathetic (I work in the private sector providing services for government agencies, have to bend over backwards to accommodate for a language only 0.0069% of the population can speak/read/write fluently in, no memes).

English is the language of business, so learn it like fucking everyone else on the planet. Then pick another language that opens up opportunities - follow the money.

>>17353704
>FUCK CULTURE AND HISTORY
>MAKE MONEY

>>17353602
I am. I was once optimistic, but the passion which burned within me has faded and only embers remain of a once roaring fire. The redoubt of our nationhood which I saw in Irish has been breached. It is being remoulded into another tool; one that will be used to undermine our ethnic identity even further. This mornings news springs to mind. A language bill which we have been waiting on for yonks has had so many key elements removed and denied due to 'costs' that it is no longer worth passing into law.

I would indulge you, good anon, but I can't bring myself to talk about this anymore. It saddens me to much. I do mean to pass Irish on to my children however.

In the meantime, I am trying to finish a novel which will scould the mockery of a nation we have become today. I feel obliged to write it, so that we can end the farce before it descends even further. I also feel like I must cast off my Irishness like a Freudian dream. It is the only way for me to make it through the remainder of this century. Otherwise, I will go mad.

>>17353722
Well godspeed to you Paddy. Make sure you shill your novel here if you ever finish it. The future may look bleak but I'd much rather keep the chin up and stare the demons down than LDAR. Good luck.

>>17353621
Géibheann? Is that the only thing which springs to mind for you? Bloody fool. For a bit of clarity, I dislike Provisional Sinn Féin intensely for their shallow Irishness, but I'd rather them over a quisling like you.

>>17353735
Thanks anon. Good luck to you too.

Any language sounds bad when it's spoken by people who learned it in a classroom. And mosy Irish speakers did. Listen to a monolingual Irish speaker and there's a world of difference:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UP4nXlKJx_4

>>17353613
I am glad it helps anon. An Anglo-Irishman such as yourself can always learn Irish and be confident in his identity as Irish. I have met a few before. They speak English like a Saxon, but Irish like a Gael.

>>17353753
BROS! IT LOOKS COZY!

>>17353753
Never gets old. You can only get that in the Gaeltachtaí still. I am part of a book club that has members that speak like him.

>>17353813
By which I mean, proper Irish language pronunciation.

>>17353737
>Géibheann? Is that the only thing which springs to mind for you? Bloody fool
Look at that, retard who tries to say what type of literature is better can't see the obvious joke imagine that.
>but I'd rather them over a quisling like you.
t. Irish Simpsons Fans poster

>>17353886
>>17353737 is probably the lad that got caught wanking in the UCD computer room last week

>>17351126
I tried learning it but the realization that I'm an American whose last relatives who had actually lived in and came from Ireland died in the 40s and 50s sort of discouraged me. There was simply no practical reason. Beautiful language, just not worth learning outside of the country unless you're very into Celtic languages, I'd wager.

>>17354513
What happened?
>>17353886
Look retard, you're one of those clowns who say we should all learn Chinese or say everyone should just code.

You obviously dont see any intrinsic value in appreciating culture. Its another means to an end. You probably love English because of how many books sell in it. There are numerous examples in this thread of Irish having artistic value or artists writing interesting things in Irish and you dismiss it.

People try learn Latin to read Cicero, people learn Ancient greek to read Homer. Because you arent able to learn anything besides English doesnt lessen the value of what you dont understand.

>>17354687
I mean, theres no reason you couldnt get in touch with your Irish heritage. Mayor of Boston speaks a little bit of Irish since his mother came from Rosmuc. Learning a language isnt easy so its understandable to not want devote a lot of time to it.

>>17352142
>You do realise the Republic of Ireland was created by left wing paramilitary groups like the IRA?
hahahahaha
those notoriously conservative catholic leftists amirite

>>17352473
people hate gealgoirs because, much like your post, you try to act superior all the time and do more damage to the language that most others

>>17355106
And I hate people like you, who think the bare minimum is acceptable for speaking Irish. Broken Irish is not better than clever English. It is a sign of indolence.

>>17355355
he didnt say that. you put words into his mouth, like the arrogant gealgoir you are.

>>17355106
>>17355375
Not the guy you're talking to but I'm reading this as geal goir.

>>17355475
Tha Eireann ann an traill na h-Alba.

>>17355375
I am drunk right now. Apologies sir.

>>17354743
>you're one of those clowns who say we should all learn Chinese or say everyone should just code
Absolutely fucking not no.
>There are numerous examples in this thread of Irish having artistic value or artists writing interesting things in Irish and you dismiss it.
All of which pale in comparison to the worst of someone like Joyce or Wilde.

>>17351154
yeah but that's like a language in and of itself
the irish hear another irish and can place where he grew up within ten miles

>>17355796
Why? Explain yourself. You never offer any substantial counter arguments. Typical for some adolescent.

>>17356519
>please argue why Joyce and Wilde are better than some modern poets and writers who happen to write in Irish
Retards like you would lap up Normal People like it was fucking Ulysses if it was in Irish I swear to God.

>>17351126
no its the language of capitalism and Christianity

>>17351126
lmao britcuck rule proabbly brought a lost of cultural enrichment to the north........ le 0% face

>>17351187
>>17351180
english is like that too, it sounds childish af except if you use words anglos wouldnt even know how to pronounce anyways

>>17356711
sure thing, tranny

>>17351180
>less vocabulary = double plus good!

>>17353704
disgusting post

>>17355106
Spiritual faggot=Anglo

>>17353704
Kill yourself

my ancesotrs :)

>>17356711
>the language of capitalism
English
>the language of christianity
Greek, followed by Latin

>>17351126
We need to unite Ireland A S A P

I speak a some passable Breton. Am I on team Celts with you guys? How much resemblance does it share with Irish.
I remember going to my grandma's house in the summer and she would tell us some Breton stories about the fight we had with the filthy Franks. I guess you guys have the Anglo while we have the Franks. They both are devilish people.

>>17359602
https://youtu.be/80hMEKlLVgQ

Breizh ma bro!

>>17359602
Breton is quite different to Irish since they are in different branches of the Celtic languages. It is much more similar to Welsh or Cornish.

>>17353753
I know absolutely nothing of Irish, and very little of it's history and culture, but I just love this video. There's something just so fascinating and poignant in watching him recite part of some old poem that's likely long been forgotten, and only remembered through oral tradition. Even that is remarkable in of itself. Such a wonderful video.

>>17359602
One of my friends is a Breton. We compared our languages once. All the basic words were very similar. Like house for example.