/lit/ - Literature

>want to kill myself
>remember that chances of spawning back as african or indian are too high

>>17336160
What do you want me to do with this? Okay, so you don't like the concept of amor fati. So what?

As an aside, I can tell you that poor kids born in Africa aren't necessarily less happy than you are; many of them don't appreciate what they're missing.

>>17336160
>>just Amor fati bro even if you're a poor kid born in Africa bro

I'm not a poor kid from Africa though. I created this life in all its boredom and misery. I created my own fate, therefore I love it. It is meaningful and that is all that really matters.

Amor fati is meant only for first world people.

>material comfort equates to happiness
materialism does nothing for the spiritual desolation of contemporary man. not even the Christian larpers have the capacity for faith.

>>17336214
Why?

Amor fati seems contrary to much else of what Nietzsche has written. Unless one sees it as similar to "Become what you are", i.e. as a call to create a fate worth loving.

what isn't a cope, though?

>>17336185
So kill yourself again

>>17336198
This. The women and children in my buttsex rape dungeon aren't less happy than you. They don't even know what life is like without constant torturous dungeon rape.

>>17336399
How torturous can it be if the people undergoing the torture are happy about it?

>>17336410
Exactly. People can get used to anything, which basically justifies my buttsex dungeon.

It's literally the opposite of cope.

>>17336399
I think being raped and tortured is a bit more than a hardship. There has to be degrees to this, you can't take suffering to mean "any amount of discomfort" and then group all of it together.

>>17336160
Nietzsches entire philosophy is just one big cope with his daddy issues and low self esteem, he even was an incel.

>>17336410
>>17336420
This thought experiment is designed to expose flaws in the theory that happiness is relative. I call it The Dungeon Problem.

The idea that happiness is relative is based on 3 postulates:
1) happiness results from comparison,
2) standards of comparison adjust
3) standards of comparison are arbitrary constructs.

If that's true, then someone who knows only torturous buttsex, and has never known anything else, could potentially be as happy as you or me. They would experience the same joy from a reprieve in painful sex torture that you or I would feel when getting a promotion or getting married. It's all based on arbitrary constructs that adjust situationally.

>>17336491
You may be on to something. Can you expound that?

>>17336433
Baka desu.

>>17336344
I think the main thrust of it was to fight agaisnt revengeful sentiments that lead to ideas of escape from this world. Slave-moralists want to evade their suffering by creating a cope, escape from it (other life, other realms etc). Nietzsche on the other hand says that to be strong is to face your suffering and accept it without any ideas about having another chance at living without suffering.

>>17336579
Good answer

>>17336247
Because those are the only real people.

>>17336185
Being indian isn't bad anon
Just gotta be middle class and be living in tier 1 or 2 cities. Just don't talk shit about religion, don't go out alone at night if you are a women and you'll be fine.

>>17336524
>If that's true, then someone who knows only torturous buttsex, and has never known anything else, could potentially be as happy as you or me.
I think this is a good rebuttal to the idea that happiness is the prime good. Plenty of people who live in a state of illiterate malnourishment are happier than I am, but I don't envy them.

>>17336160
It's basically the idea of anti-fragility

>>17336344
It's simultaneously the desire of the overman and a test to see if you are him or at the very least a hyperborean reader

>>17336198
Really though, your logic is so retarded it makes my dick hurt.. Happiness is not just relative. There are basic conditions humans need to thrive, and if those conditions are not being met, people are not going to feel happy about it. Many niggers living in nigger countries are diseased and hungry, and even though I loath to call them human, it's obvious the necessities for human life are not being adequately met, and they have little chance of thriving. You stand in a lofty place with a full belly and a safe home, you look at the whole wretched world and all it's hardships, and say to yourself, "they're just as happy as me because they don't know what they're missing." Disgusting.

>>17336160
>kid in Africa
He didn't write for Africans.
>Let us face ourselves. We are Hyperboreans; we know very well how far off we live.

>>17337313
>Let us face ourselves. We are Hyperboreans; we know very well how far off we live.

How could he claim that as a selfdeclared Polack?

>>17337448
Not sure how that's mutually exclusive. He loved LARPing as an aristocrat.

>>17337455
>He loved LARPing as an aristocrat.
Ironically he hated real aristocratic philosophers like Schopenhauer and Mainländer.

>>17337455
I know that, I am a Nietzsche scholar.

Polacks as slavs are, in the traditional ariosophical schools of northern german descent, not a part of the atlantean-race.
Yes there were people that considered themselve of atlantean descent.

That is something you won't learn on an american uni.

>>17336524
I feel like Schopenhauer and Nietzsche had a very Buddhist definition of suffering, which would suggest the concept of dukkha. This isn't the suffering of being eaten alive or vivisected or tortured but the suffering of existence. The suffering of gaining a low, losing a high, or just that constant gnawing dissatisfaction we struggle to rid ourselves of.

The reason it's not correct to immediately jump to the extremes of rape, torture, starvation, etc. is that you are not implicitly happy just because you are removed from these things. It brings me no joy to not be tortured. That is a baseline expectation of survival, to rid myself of physical pain as quickly as possible. Even organisms lacking consciousness avoid physical destruction.

The question of our suffering and happiness is a higher order one. It deals with the knowledge of our impending mortality, our expectations and aspirations, our perceptions, our relationship with impermanent material reality. It doesn't matter if you live in Africa or affluence, you have to deal with the imminent death of your loved ones, the ways you failed yourself, the mistakes you can never recover from, the accidents that befell you and changed the course of your life. Amor fati is the idea that one day you can experience something, if only for a instant, that makes your heart feel like it's about to burst, something that makes you realize all of the downtime was worth it, that it was all leading up to that very moment.

>>17337541
Excuse me highly learned Nietzsche scholar. I didn't mean to doubt your wisdom. He is obviously referring to general "Europeans" considering he quotes Pindar right after.

>>17336160
Not everyone can do it.

Some people are better at it than others, same as with everything.

>>17336214
It's meant for those that can have it.

>>17337240
>I loath to call them human.

Reddit is the other way edgy boy

>>17336433
Based Yuna not only beautiful but also a philosopher queen, we stan

>>17337240
>"they're just as happy as me because they don't know what they're missing." Disgusting.

But that is the truth. When I, as a european, stub my toe, it is just as bad as 100 nigger momas miscarrying from hunger.

You really need to learn the proportions of this world. Human is not human.

>>17337559
>considering he quotes Pindar right after
Ho doesn't.

>>17337240
>Really though, your logic is so retarded it makes my dick hurt.. Happiness is not just relative. There are basic conditions humans need to thrive, and if those conditions are not being met, people are not going to feel happy about it. Many niggers living in nigger countries are diseased and hungry, and even though I loath to call them human, it's obvious the necessities for human life are not being adequately met, and they have little chance of thriving.

I agree that people in those conditions often aren't living flourishing lives. However, I don't think that they're necessarily experiencing so much suffering that it would be impossible for them to use a technique like Nietzsche's amor fati.

>You stand in a lofty place with a full belly and a safe home, you look at the whole wretched world and all it's hardships, and say to yourself, "they're just as happy as me because they don't know what they're missing." Disgusting.

I've spent years living in severely underdeveloped areas and working with people who exist in conditions of incredible privation. It's my observation that many people who live in these settings are at least as happy as the average First-Worlder. This isn't to say that we shouldn't work to give them access to the resources they're being denied, of course; I believe there's more to flourishing than avoiding unhappiness. My point is that there's no reason a "poor kid born in Africa" can't implement amor fati as well as a First-Worlder, because ignorance and severe material privation don't necessarily translate into an experience of irresistible subjective suffering.

>>17336376
You wouldn't have memories of a past life, so you that wouldn't happen.

>>17336517
>he even was an incel.
Key take away here. Never trust an incel. I don't know how he even got as far as he did fooling the scholars

>hates on stoicism
>preaches the same but in edgy

>>17336160
amor fati is a magnificent cope though, have you ever tried it? Lots of mileage on that one

bro look at that stache. imagine being Mrs. Niezche when he's going down on you

>>17336160
>Suffering is inevitable, so embrace it.

ftfy

>>17338876
>Lots of mileage on that one
worst cope ever

>>17338885
>imagine being a girl
I prefer to imagine being mr. nietzche.

>>17339129
I just said it was a great cope, learn to read
whatever gay cope you have is undoubtedly inferior

>>17336344
>>17336214
This is some bullshit. My parents had some version of amor fati and crawled out of the third world. Got college degrees then worked as dry cleaners in America.

Just because you are full of misery and ressentiment doesn't mean everyone else is.

>>17336160
>To live is to suffer, to survive is to find meaning in the suffering.
>THE AFRICAN CHILDREN HUUUURRRRR
Another day, another sneed's seed and feed.

>>17338820
>Never trust an incel
Newton and Tesla were incels. Your argument is invalid.

>>17336517
>he even was an incel
This is some grade A copium. The only people who say shit like this are mediocre in every way, so much so their only "accomplishment" in life is getting laid (which literally 99% of all life on earth does).

>>17339266
>My parents had some version of amor fati and crawled out of the third world. Got college degrees then worked as dry cleaners in America.
Nicely done. Sometimes it takes an almost superhuman level of energy and persistence to make it from the Third World to the First by legitimate means.

>>17336185
that's not what eternal return is

>>17336185
>>17337313
>>17337313
>>17336160
I gonna just go ahead and say it: Africans (or anyone) who die of famine as children suffur way less than people who live full lives. They die before they have any sense of mortality, and never have to live through the many emotional pains of human life.

>>17339504
>I gonna just go ahead and say it: Africans (or anyone) who die of famine as children suffur way less than people who live full lives. They die before they have any sense of mortality, and never have to live through the many emotional pains of human life.
But would you say they have better lives than we do because of that?

>>17338876
Everything is a cope my man.

>>17339512
No, that's not the point he's trying to make, it's that the sufferin of children who die from infant mortality/childbirth/starve to death is actually overstated and much lower than the suffering of a regular person, since they don't have time to experience much of it, the real tragedy of infant mortality is the waste of potential

>>17339286
im an electrical engineer and i dont trust newton or tesla

>>17339592
>im an electrical engineer and I don't trust tesla
what the fuck?

>>17337240
I'm not the other anons.
Yes there are basic necessities, but aside from extreme violence, we thrive everywhere, under the most extreme conditions. Speaking about happiness is the wrong way to go about it though: we all suffer. We all hope for change, we go on just a little bit longer, just for a little more. You pity those at the bottom of the pyramid? Their basic needs aren't met, but like ants they keep on scuttling about. How could this be without some of this 'happiness' you speak of? How could we dwell on... without this 'happiness'?
The desolation in this is, not to be cocky (this is empathy I swear!), we do not have any hope at the top of the food chain. We can only look down to make ourselves feel better. But once you see we're in a vast, desolate nothing scuttling for... nothing? you know the folly of pitying them. Oh, to know, to know. To see!

Ok we get it, you don't like Nietzsche. Alright man.

You will never disprove Hard Determinism. No matter how many shit threads you post, FreeWilloid

>>17337240
Yes there are basic necessities, but aside from extreme violence, we thrive everywhere, under the most extreme conditions. Speaking about happiness is the wrong way to go about it though: we all suffer. We all hope for change, we go on just a little bit longer, just for a little more. You pity those at the bottom of the pyramid? Their basic needs aren't met, but like ants they keep on scuttling about. How could this be without some of this 'happiness' you speak of? How could we dwell on... without this 'happiness'?
The desolation in this is, not to be cocky (this is empathy I swear!), we do not have any hope at the top of the food chain. We can only look down to make ourselves feel better. But once you see we're in a vast, desolate nothing scuttling for... nothing? you know the folly of pitying them. Oh, to know, to know. To see!
The watchful soul sees through a truth so terrible you can only laugh at it: prisoners, the beaten, the downtrodden, the lowest of the low, the sick and deceased, cast aways and malformed ones thrive like vermin. The human condition: an imbecile smiles while his father is drowning him.

>>17339512
>But would you say they have better lives than we do because of that?
really depends on the person. I can only speak for myself on this matter. Sometimes I feel like I want to die, but usually I think I'm probably better off living . It's really a matter of how I feel at at any particular moment. My state: Loser NEET adult with no friends and little prospect for the future. I'm lacking life-skills, mobility and independence. Times when i'm feeling shitty? Yeah, dying before you experience any of this misery seems like a great. I ask myself the question "What's the point of living, if it's not a worthwhile life" and such things. Those kids who died of famine, had it WAY easier. People ITT can talk about consumption as much as they want, but consumption of food/clothing/shelter is empty if you have no one to share it with. It all gets boring after a while.

>>17340038
I think like that and I'm pretty well off. Cute gf, good family and friends.
Know a chad who's the same.
It never gets better. :)

Why is it so goddamn hard for people to distinguish between the the experience of suffering and the capacity for suffering in this instance? One is a state, one is a potential. Nietzsche calls for gladness for the potential, as it provides contrast which affirms the good and provides a substrate for overcoming and motivation for growth.

>>17338805
>>17339934
Yeah ok, fellas. I'm sitting on my ass, wearing a fuzzy bath robe, drinking coffee and chatting with idiots online, while some skinny negro eats rice for dinner after a day of hard labor, and I'm suffering in life just as much as him. Heck, he should feel sorry for me! I'm sure you're in the same boat; I bet your existential angst is way worse than going to bed hungry.

>>17339504
>>17339542
>>17340038
Bunch of delusional retards on this site, even dumber than me ffs

Based poor kid in Africa living a more rockstar life than OP.

>>17340396
i hope he sees this bro

>>17340396
You're projecting your own personal circumstances (as well as your expectations of and reactions to them) upon others who do not necessarily share your contextual (cultural, biological, sociological, psychological, etc.) frame.

It is absolutely possible to suffer more while wearing a fuzzy bath robe than while going to bed hungry. Do you think the brain releases dopamine and serotonin and all the other chemicals in a strictly nominal 1-to-1 translation of Maslow's Hierarchy? Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that you are moments away from telling a zoomer to pull himself up by his bootstraps?

Indeed, perhaps the laboring negro should be grateful, for all he has to worry about is getting his rice--if he receives it, 100% of his conscious needs are satisfied. The Westerner has no such luxury. He can have a double serving of his favorite meal and still have a thousand things to complain about, many of which are justified. Even the indulgence of his physical needs might have some negative consequence. It's an unfortunate price of intellect and decadence, one that we have forgotten how to pay properly.

Just to be clear, I don't give a shit about starving niggers, but to deny that there can be very real, very intense suffering even once your stomach is full is absolutely retarded.

>>17340553
Shut up faggot

>>17340396
>>17340561
Just some housekeeping: western clothes donations to Africa means there's a surplus of fuzzy bathrobes, so much so that those donations are killing Africa's textile industry. Nietzsche would be far more fascinated by that than if the robe is comfy. Especially as the west has only started noticing this trend since it puts newly purchased high quality cotton from Africa on the line.

>>17340562
You're projecting your own personal circumstances (as well as your expectations of and reactions to them) upon others who do not necessarily share your contextual (cultural, biological, sociological, psychological, etc.) frame.

It is absolutely possible to suffer more while wearing a fuzzy bath robe than while going to bed hungry. Do you think the brain releases dopamine and serotonin and all the other chemicals in a strictly nominal 1-to-1 translation of Maslow's Hierarchy? Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that you are moments away from telling a zoomer to pull himself up by his bootstraps?

Indeed, perhaps the laboring negro should be grateful, for all he has to worry about is getting his rice--if he receives it, 100% of his conscious needs are satisfied. The Westerner has no such luxury. He can have a double serving of his favorite meal and still have a thousand things to complain about, many of which are justified. Even the indulgence of his physical needs might have some negative consequence. It's an unfortunate price of intellect and decadence, one that we have forgotten how to pay properly.

Just to be clear, I don't give a shit about starving niggers, but to deny that there can be very real, very intense suffering even once your stomach is full is absolutely retarded.

>>17340587
>>17340561

>>17339542
>the real tragedy of infant mortality is the waste of potential
I feel this too but
>much lower than the suffering of a regular person
I probably wouldn't go so far. A person with a longer life will generally experience pain for a longer period of time, sure, but treating pain as a lump sum is probably not very useful.

>>17340587
If I ever run for office my slogan is going to be "A Bathrobe for Every Nigger."

>>17340396
>Yeah ok, fellas. I'm sitting on my ass, wearing a fuzzy bath robe, drinking coffee and chatting with idiots online, while some skinny negro eats rice for dinner after a day of hard labor, and I'm suffering in life just as much as him. Heck, he should feel sorry for me! I'm sure you're in the same boat; I bet your existential angst is way worse than going to bed hungry.

You jest, but what you say is fundamentally true. It's possible to experience material comforts and still be overwhelmingly neurotic and self-torturing. I've known illiterate, malnourished hut-dwellers who were, in some sense, much better off than some of the self-pitying NEETs I've met on this site.

I'll reiterate that I'm not arguing that education, health, etc. aren't actual problems, only that an illiterate, malnourished Third-Worlder doesn't necessarily experience more subjective suffering than a First-Worlder. I don't see why the concept of amor fati would be less useful for a "poor kid born in Africa" than for you or me.

>>17340793
>I've known illiterate, malnourished hut-dwellers who were, in some sense, much better off than some of the self-pitying NEETs I've met on this site.
Wtf? Then they should be sending me foreign aid.

>>17340998
>Wtf? Then they should be sending me foreign aid.
What "foreign aid" do you expect will stop you from being a self-pitying NEET?

>>17336214
Nietzsche's whole project of overcoming nihilism is particular to Europe (literally calls the first section of Will to Power "European Nihilism"), and amor fati is only supposed to be adopted within Nietzsche's predicted crisis of nihilism, where the strongest will have to come to terms with the prevailing nihilism as part of the eternal recurrence and therefore MUST adopt amor fati. Doesn't apply to third worlders

>>17341802
>Total mobilisation of power is a consequence of the will to equality.
Just in case a Nietzschefag wants a real discussion instead of eternal recurrence of bait.

>>17336767
>Being indian isn't bad

>>17336160
Your post is a massive cope OP(including this one). Refute me

There is no eternal recurrence or reincarnation. I've been reading about this for months and the evidence for it existing is virtually nil. I've been looking for the evidence and can't find any and 99% of people including the thinkers just believe in it as a cope.

You have one life nigger then its over

>>17342053
Given an infinite amount of time after your death(to outside observers),it is possible that entropy fluctuations reconstruct your brain and bring you back alive. You cannot experience the time passed in between your death(to outside observers)and the reconstruction of your brain(10^10^10^10^10^x years) and this means you will never die in your experience. All possible events that leads to your death(in your experience)will never happen and you will always be there to experience(as non experience is impossible)

Plato already brought this up in Phaedo. Think about being chained and then how good it feels to have that chain removed. Suffering seems to counteract pleasant feelings. I'm willing to assume that our bodies need pain to know what isn't happiness and to preserve the mind and body. Good exists as a different entity from pleasure because at times the body can respond without forethought and take pleasure as good (an example is sugar addicts, feels good but damages the body). I think Nietzsche sees suffering as a force to be lived alongside because it can make one stronger if used intelligently. The classic example of suffering=good is exercise.

>>17342060
Cope

>>17342060
Interesting I don't think I've thought about it like that. At least the way you word it makes it sound different than what I've heard before.

Whether the universe etc is infinite or not can't exactly be proven though, can it? I don't know what my gut instinct is about it. Mainly I don't know how the universe exists in the first place.

>>17342084
Plato was a slave moralist. His cringe can't compare to Nietzsche.

>>17342060
Interesting insight, too bad the universe is stupid and it wont produce replicas of ourselves

>>17342101
Spacetime(3+1dimension of time)is infinite if infinity means indivisible. If something is infinite, it must be indivisible. Something is finite if it is limited by something bigger. If by the universe we mean everything, then it is not limited by anything else. Therefore the universe(3+1dimension of time)is unlimited or infinite.

>>17342060
>he thinks a copy of you is the same thing a you
Consciousness is a continuous stream which once concluded cannot be reconstituted.

I overdosed on DMT while on 4 other hallucinogens and I kept having entities torture, rape and kill me and then bring me back to repeat the cycle. I think it has actually trauma-proofed me or at least made me trauma-resistant. So maybe he is right about the "makes you stronger" thing.

>>17342158
How is it possible for consciousness to end? What is "non consciousness"?

>>17342176
people lose consciousness all the time, just go overdose or pick a fight with someone stronger

>>17342151
In what form do you think we would be brought back alive? Could it be something almost completely different yet still us? I'm seeing a lot of problems with this.

What if two bits of brain matter were preserved, one was rebuilt, would that be you? Then what if the other bit was rebuilt, that couldn't also be you then, could it?

>>17342158
This, reminder never to use a teleporter.

>>17342180
But they"regain"consciousness right? It doesn't end.

>>17342182
Not only the brain, but everything that defines (you) (soul, brain, body, surroundings, etc.)

>>17338885
it's a basedboy stache

>>17339592
extremely based, fucked them incel niggeresd

>>17338885
>Mrs. Niezche
Lol wut?

>>17342239
His sister

>>17342180
You still have brain activity while unconscious. You don't have have any while you're dead.

>>17342182
Death frees you from the limitations of the body(desires, interpretations/language etc.). Like a deep state of meditation, you ascend into a higher reality . >>17342060
This is one way life continues after death(to outside observers). If you live a virtuous life, it is possible to reach God (the highest reality)after death(to outside observers).

>>17342317
cope out of fear of meaningless inconsequential death

>>17342325

Refute me

>>17342331
burden of proof is on you, you have to prove the existence of god or "higher reality"

>>17342273
"After your death you will be what you were before your birth". This statement is incorrect as no one knows what you experienced before birth. You must always experience and as it is impossible to experience"non experience". Therefore, you are immortal

>>17342182

>>17342317

>>17342378
>You must always experience
Your tautology is useless when the thing it seeks to prove is contained within itself, and has no evidence within or without. Before one is born one is not, and as such one has no experiences before one is.

>>17342392
How do we know unconsciousness exists when we have never experienced it.

>>17336185
>want to kill myself
>don't because it's weak and i find such weakness revolting

>>17342563
we have certain signs of it by which we can reconstruct what our unconsciousness is (slips of tongue if we are talking about freudian unconciousness or feeling and actions that guarantee successful trasnfer of our genes if we are talking about darwinian unconsciousness). The thing is, we experience our unconsciousness, even if it is by de tour. Where as we can not experience death or reconstruct any of its working on us except for our relation to it in heidegerrian sense (being unto death) or psychological sense (fear of death).

>>17342563
Not experiencing something is the same thing as it not existing.

>>17342591
so we experience unconsciousness by its effects, and therefore postulate that it exists? So we postulate death exists by its effects on our psyche? Is that what you are suggesting?

>>17342602
Well that is what I am getting at, but the anon above suggests that we do experience it by virtue of its effects.

>>17342616
>so we experience unconsciousness by its effects, and therefore postulate that it exists?
yes, it exists in now (or in the past), whereas death affects us weirdly in a retroactive way. So death and unconsciousness exist in two different ways at least. The effects of unc on us are more direct and thus we can posit it at least as some kind of positivity (a thing in itself), but death exists only as something negative, wtihout any content (yet it still affects us).
Of course phenomenologists would just say that we should just limit the attribute of existing to something that we experience (like >>17342602), then unicorns exist too, but its just a banal, inconsequential statement. The point is to show in what ways things exist, and death exists way differently from unc.

>>17342639
>then unicorns exist too, but its just a banal, inconsequential statement. The point is to show in what ways things exist, and death exists way differently from unc.
Unicorns exist as a concept, yes. I don't know what you're trying to say, it's just half baked idiocy from what I can tell.

>>17342639
Ah I understand you now, thank you. I always learn something new on this shit hole.

Did you acquire this knowledge from just starting with the Greeks? I assume you are interested in the development of consciousness so I would recommend The Prehistory Of The Mind: A Search for the Origins of Art, Religion and Science by Prof Steven Mithen.


>>17342648
You do have a point there. I mean, if people think the world is flat just because they haven't been shown otherwise through judgement of their senses (scientific endeavour), then does the flat earth exist for them? It must do since they are experiencing the spherical earth even though they don't comprehend that they are. But to their mind, they aren't. Or maybe that knowledge is locked in their subconscious. Oh fuck i dont know

>>17336687
>>17336579
huh no, Nietzsche says nihilism is real but instead of accepting it, you have to become the uberman, ie a schizo who deludes himself that nihilism is wrong

>>17342706
suffering isnt nihilism. thinking suffering is bad and trying to avoid it is saying "no" to life and that life-denying nihilism. That's why Nietzsche thinks the root of the nihilism is ressentment. Because the man of resentment is weak and cant properly digest bad experiences, he start filtering the life he lives and starts creating life-denying conceptions about avoiding the suffering (and thus the life itself).

>>17342392
If there is nothing, then there is no"nothing".but if there is no"nothing",is there something?

>>17337558
i like this, you get a based from me

>>17340396
>working a fulfilling life of manual labor and eating modestly is SO MUCH WORSE than being a societal reject
This is such an NPC take. Funny how the goal shifted to “people who die as children” to “people who live normal lives.” How much you want to bet said African has friends to share camaraderie with and a wife to fuck? This alone makes him happier than millions of NEET incel losers in the world.

>>17342160
Damn, sounds dope. What other hallucinogens did you take? What did the DMT monsters look like? How long did it feel like it went on?

>>17342706
He never says anyone has to become the ubermensch, and he doesn't say nihilism is right or wrong, but rather a symptom of weakness.

>>17343092
>t. Self pitying neet who thinks his life is hard, when really he's just a faggot

>>17343192
What's more self-pitting. Some peasant complaining about work and his food portions or a disabled NEET confined to a life of self-imprisonment?

>>17343210
If you make $30,000 a year, you are in the top 1% of global earners.
What's worse, being an American incel with a computer and spending money? Or being a starving nigger incel?

>>17343233
>If you make $30,000 a year, you are in the top 1% of global earners.
soulless materialism at it's finest. the only thing that matters is your life experiences and joys you have with others. Do you do sports? Do you have interest, passions, hobbies that connect you with other people? Do you spend your time in a productive fashion by working a meaningful vocation? African laborers HAVE these things, while I do not. I'd trade a lifetime of stuffing my face with food for any of these things.
>What's worse, being an American incel with a computer and spending money? Or being a starving nigger incel?
Funny you bring up "nigger incel" since it probably DOES suck to be a black african incel but black african incels are NOT the type of person you've been referring to this whole thread. Just like India and China, Africans have their own loser incels and yes these people are just as pitiful as incels around the world. Whether it's better or wore than being an American incel I can't really say.

>>17342060
Someone make a thread about this

>>17343256
Like I keep saying, if your basic needs are not being met, your not going to feel happy, regardless of what Farty Honko the larping namefag says.
This argument is basically "slave in heaven vs.king in hell", and I don't think there's a solid answer. But I still think you're stupid.

>>17343324
He who has enough will never be poor
He who finds more will never be rich

>>17336433
>>17336160
If there's no happiness without suffering then I don't want either

>>17343655
The way of the monk is to reject happiness and embrace suffering. What's it called when you reject both?

>>17343673
No one embraces suffering willingly. They embrace suffering because it makes them happy

>>17343707
That might be the motivation in some cases.

>>17343655
Then KYS and leave us be, please.

Have you ever felt happy day in and out for say, a year, without ANY sadness? No, I doubt that.

I have. I woke up every day for 2 years and took high doses of amph. Every day was chill and blissful. But it is all empty because without the variability you do not have happiness.

The grass is ALWAYS greener.

>>17344129
>i did drugs and it sucked bro you don't want to be happy
Retard

>>17343707
These two sentences contradict one another.

>>17343324
I think you’re missing my point. Of course people in the Third World who are deprived of proper education and who suffer malnutrition and malaria are worse off than we are in a significant way; however, they don’t necessarily experience more subjective suffering than we do. OP’s assertion that Third-Worlders can’t employ armor fati because they suffer too intensely is misguided.

>>17342602
Do we not exist while we are in deep sleep?

>>17345406
Sleep does not exist. It is only a memory formed after you wake up.

>>17336185
kek, I've had the same thoughts

>>17344507
>people in the Third World who are deprived of proper education and who suffer malnutrition and malaria are worse off than we are in a significant way
Agree.

>OP’s assertion that Third-Worlders can’t employ armor fati because they suffer too intensely is misguided.
Agree.

>however, they don’t necessarily experience more subjective suffering than we do.
Strongly disagree.

>>17342158
> Consciousness is a continuous stream which once concluded cannot be reconstituted.

> what is deep sleep
> what is a coma

>>17346860
>Strongly disagree.
On what basis?

Think logically: if you don't exist, then you don't suffer; which is good, and if so exist then you don't feel pleasure, which is neutral, since you don't exist then is net neutral.

But if you exist the you can suffer and feel pleasure, but which one, but as you suffer then existing is bad.

Per logic never have been is better to exist.

>>17347400
>>17345406
Your brain is still active while asleep morons, you are experiencing it.

I unironically wish i was a poor kid born in Africa desu. At least then i would be less of an asocial sheltered faggot, have thrilling life experiences worth writing about, and facing real hardships like hunting for food or fighting in a militia.

If a quiet life free from suffering is impossible to attain, you might as well live one that's shitty in a way people will find interesting.

just imagine your panic when you know you're about to die. damn

>>17339504
pretty much, if anything else the comparison is completely retarded. A first worlder and the proverbial "poor African kid" might as well live in completely different realities.

>>17336160
hoo

>>17344356
The decision to embrace suffering makes him happy, therefore he embraces happiness, not suffering

>>17346860
Suffering is relative and based on what you desire

>>17336214
Why would it only be for first worlders when he said to love life so much that you would be willing to walk into a lions jaw? It would make no sense to single out anyone.

>>17350124
I think the idea is that such pontifications are a luxury only made possible by living a First-World life devoid of real suffering.

>>17350131
>real suffering
Made up bullshit by third worlders so they can feel better about their boringly dull lives. Suffering is relative and the worst atrocities like severe torture have occurred in the first world only anyway.

>>17350131
If nietzsche's philosophy doesn't stand up to true suffering then its entire point is useless. "overman" with training wheels on lmao

>>17336160
Is suffering directly related to fear?

>>17350495
>>17350161

These two posts are obviously extremely foolish, but I'll give them a serious response anyway.

>real suffering
>Made up bullshit by third worlders so they can feel better about their boringly dull lives.

The insistence that all Third-Worlders who experience poverty, disease and malnutrition live in a state of constant misery comes from well-intended First-Worlders, not from the Third-Worlders themselves. To my experience, most people who live in extreme poverty (i.e., mud huts, no electricity, no running water) don't really grasp what they're missing out on. Of course, just because a disadvantage doesn't cause subjective suffering doesn't mean that that disadvantage isn't worth eradicating.

The problems themselves aren't "made up"; however, the assumption that each material disadvantage causes a commensurate increase in subjective suffering is just wrong.