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Seethe & dilate

>>17336878
Was hast du über meinen Bruder gesagt, du kleiner Scheißer? Komm nach Deutschland und sag mir das ins Gesicht.

Nein?

Das habe ich auch nicht gedacht.

>>17336966
I imagine her voice to sound like Asuka.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI6kUlWozQ4

>>17336878
He ripped of every one of my ideas as well.

>>17336878
He was also directively responsible for Nazism.

I hate him too, yet he was the first philosopher I have ever read.

>>17336966

>>17337052
delicate dominant dame

>>17337007
I hate him but you're retarded if you think that Nazis were Nietzschean.

>>17336966
>>17336989
Mein dick

>>17336966
S-ssorry miss Nietzsche....what are you gonna do to me...?

>>17336878
> this thread
cope

>>17337290
She would give you away to Onkel H. Like she said, go to Deutchland if you aren't a coward and see what happens.

>>17337381
KZ is what will happen.

>>17336966
>mein Gesicht wann

>>17336966
>das gefühl wenn keine elisabeth förster-nietzsche freundin

>>17336966
oh please... don't spank me...;3

>>17336878
For me it's ''there are no facts, only interpretations'', ie the birth of nihilism.
Then the birth of postmodernism by our guy Nietzsche with the cope of the uberman and its ''creation of won values'' to feel self righteous, because FUCK THE HERD
THis is why all liberals today like him and want to play dionysius.

The uberman is nothing but the hedonist deluding himself that he is the righteous Dionysus and by setting his likes and dislikes as his new gods

>>17337600
You bette mache frei deine Arscheloche!

>>17337088
Nazis no, Hitler however was a mix of Nietzsche and Wagner

>>17337656
Kind of true.

>>17337603
>The uberman is nothing but the hedonist deluding himself that he is the righteous Dionysus and by setting his likes and dislikes as his new gods
This is literally psychology though, how the human mind actually works. You can't blame Nietzsche for pointing this out but you can certainly fault him for style.

>>17337754
That was a Crowleyan perversion of Nietzschean thought.

>>17337656
Gobineau was more important to nazism than either German dudes.

>>17337788
Maybe, but regardless, Nietzsche had an influence on Hitler, and not a minor one.

>>17337843
source?

>>17337867

>>17337887
Outsourced.

Nietzsche btfo'd!

>>17337920
So a mix of Nietzsche and Wagner as I said

>>17337937
No, I am a third anon, I claim just Wagner to create an interesting antithesis in this tri-way conversation.

>>17337887
You posted a picture of him looking at a bust of Nietzsche
There's a picture of me looking at a bust of Goethe but I've never read a book by him in my life

>>17337887
Which of his books did he actually read?

>>17337946
Why did Hitler have that photo taken then?

People that source hedonism and nihilism from Neitzsche are utter retards

>>17337953
To project an image of himself as associated with a guy hailed at the time as a great figure of german culture

>>17337947
He was gifted the whole of Nietzsches works by the duce, handwritten on pergament.

At that point he had already read all of it.

>>17337887
Why do I love this picture so much?

>>17337978
Which implies that his peers (who would be Nazis) were reading and had respect for Nietzsche, so if not him, others. The Germans were influenced by Nietzsche no matter how you look at it.

>>17337946
He also attended his sisters funeral as a guest of honor.

>>17337978
Imbecile.
Hitler quoted Nietzsche all the time.

>>17337867
I've read a biography on Hitler; he constantly attended Wagnerian operas, listened to the music. I'm not sure about Nietzsche; perhaps that was a Nazi party appropriation; typical for the self-appointed Aryans to need to make Frankenstein's monsters out of other's viewpoints rather than creating by themselves.

>>17337997
Very selectively, considering Nietzsche polemically opposed himself to nationalism, socialism, and antisemitism quite often
>>17338002
The sister who butchered his writing for her own political purposes
>>17338011
I'm sure he had some stock lines, Biden quotes Kant every so often but I wouldn't say Kant has any real influence on him
>>17338019
Basically this

>>17337997
>The Germans were influenced by Nietzsche no matter how you look at it.

As were the anglos. You are writing about him. Because you continue to romanticise the german thought. Kant, Hegel, Goethe....

But that is just because it is so very much superior to anglo thought.

Why are there more interpretations and so called orthodoxies and heterodoxies of Nietzsche's works than the fucking Bible? Literally every time anyone makes any kind of statement about his thought, some retard swoops in and cries "NOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HIM, MISINTERPRETER!!" Did Nietzsche even know what he was going on about?

>>17338029
Basically this.

>>17338019
However, he did read and was, of course, aware of Nietzsche; I don't see how he wouldn't have used some of Nietzsche's thoughts-

(from John Toland's Adolf Hitler, page 187)-
(when he was in prison after the Beer Hall putsch)

"In the past weeks he had done more than face facts. He had leafed through almost everything in print he could lay his hands on: Nietzsche, Chamberlain, Ranke, Treitschke and Marx. He raced through Bismarck's memoirs and a number of recollections of the World War..."

(Hitler is speaking, from Landsberg Prison)

"Landsberg was my college education at state expense," he told Frank,- and without the 'pretentious intellectualizing' of professors. 'Anyway, will-power is greater than knowledge. If God had only 'known' the world and not 'willed' it, there would still be chaos today.'"

>>17338028
>Nietzsche polemically opposed himself to nationalism, socialism, and antisemitism quite often
There's still plenty of Nietzsche's philosophy that's compatible with national socialism, at least as a transitional phase in a long-term political strategy. That's why in the early 1900's there were a lot of academics who were strongly opposed to accepting Nietzsche in their curriculum. It wasn't until after WWII and after scholars like Kaufmann sanitized his works that they came around to him.

>>17338062
>Why are there more interpretations and so called orthodoxies and heterodoxies of Nietzsche's works than the fucking Bible?
There are not.
Stop lying for attention.

>>17338062
Um anon you totally misunderstood him and took him out of context. I have the time to shitpost on 4chan but I don't have the time to correct your statement. Instead, I'll just tell you to read the Gay Science, Geneology of Morals, Antichrist, etcetera

>philosophizing with a hammer to the head

>>17338062
>Did Nietzsche even know what he was going on about?
He even predicted that.

>>17338071
I'll admit that's a fair point

>>17338062
I'm a Christian Nietzschean.

>>17338062
Because WWII happened and Nietzsche's name was associated with it, and on top of this his philosophy is somewhat hard to successfully translate culturally, so there are a multitude of conspiracies and opposing views surrounding his work.

>>17338078
I am a Nietzsche scholar that has read and interpreted all of the works that you have listed.

And he right. Nietzsche, nearing the end of his sane life did no know at all what he was writing.

>>17336878
>t. ressentiment
NGMI

>>17338093
In that case you are a hot-headed and hard-boiled christian. I can respect that!

>>17337887
>>17337946
>>17337867
From Table Talks:
>In the Great Hall of the Linz Library are the busts of Kant, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, the greatest of our thinkers, in comparison with whom the British, the French and the Americans have nothing to offer. His complete refutation of the teachings which were a heritage from the Middle Ages, and of the dogmatic philosophy of the Church, is the greatest of the services which Kant has rendered to us. It is on the foundation of Kant's theory of knowledge that Schopenhauer built the edifice of his philosophy, and it is Schopenhauer who annihilated the pragmatism of Hegel. I carried Schopenhauer's works with me throughout the whole of the first World War. From him I learned a great deal. Schopenhauer's pessimism, which springs partly, I think, from his own line of philosophical thought and partly from subjective feeling and the experiences of his own personal life, has been far surpassed by Nietzsche.

>>17336878
It really does peeve me how much his self fellating gets in the way of what are otherwise genuinely interesting analyses. His desire to confirm certain outcomes and ideas really ends up undermining his narratives/myths and leave dumb oversights that have to be handwaved away with a 'uh no i was being allegorical, you dont get it' when even as an allegory it utterly fails. I recently started reading Hegel and the preface to the phenomenology appears to me as a good example of how to write beautifully and passionately without losing rigor or precision, something Neetzsch completely fails at because he thinks rigor somehow has to be discarded to make way for his intense life affirming passion. Im really only this passionate about this because hes still such an interesting and valuable figure so its not exactly just hate, but God is he annoying to read.

>>17338127
>Table Talks
Debunked by every source possible.

>>17338028
>Biden quotes Kant every so often
what? doesn't seem likely for a burger. link?

>>17338135
That is because you read him in translation, Nietzsches german was just as Luthers.

Which was as you Shakespear.

>>17338148
>animefag
Well played. You debunked yourself.

>>17338159
Ive read him partly in English partly in Dutch and some passages in original German. I dont think the translation is particularly the problem, his writing is beautiful in both translations. the problem is precisely that he sacrifices clarity of meaning for the sake of writing pretty where he really didnt have to.

>>17338151
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4795196/user-clip-joe-biden-quotes-kant
here is an example

>>17338135
>Hegel
>without losing rigor or precision

>>17338213
kek people started clapping after hearing one sentence of Kant. absolute state of the burgers...

>>17338135
Hegel is literally unreadable

>>17338208
>the problem is precisely that he sacrifices clarity of meaning for the sake of writing pretty where he really didnt have to.

The german language doesn't provide such possibilities.

>>17338164
I don't watch anime, that's the only anime picture I have and it's just there because it seems like having a "smug anime" pic is necessary.

>>17338071
i haven't read Nietzsche yet but correct me if I'm wrong are Kaufmann's translations not the most popular and "go to" English editions? In what way have his works been 'sanitised" and has this also happened to the original German editions?

honestly starting to hate Nietzsche, gonna become a Marxist reading Lukács just so I have proper intellectual justification for it. He is pretty much entirely to blame for pomo faggotry, fucking sick of this perspectivist bullshit. I just flicked through a catalogue of art school projects, made me so riled up they literally just write pretentious essays accompanying pictures of their rotating dildoes or whatever they present as art, I'm blaming Nietzsche for this shit too. Fuck you Nietzsche

>>17338310
It makes you seethe because he's right.

>>17338310
Kind of true though.

>>17338298
Yes, Kaufmann's translations are traditionally the most popular ones for an English reading of him, but he apparently omitted some things. The Kritische Studienausgabe (KSA) by Colli and Montinari is still in the process of being translated into English I believe and is supposed to contain what was left out.

The Kaufmann translations are still pretty good though. What does even more harm to Nietzsche's reputation is the controversy surrounding Will to Power, because readers ignore it on account of the controversy despite it containing a lot of valuable aphorisms.

>>17338320
"seethe" where does this gay word even come from? relativism is just bourgeois cope, reality is not that complex, nature is real

>>17338385
>reality is not that complex
Imagine unironically thinking this

>>17338392
yes

>>17338385
>relativism is just bourgeois cope, reality is not that complex, nature is real
Ayn Rand-tier cope.

>>17338368
>The Kritische Studienausgabe (KSA) by Colli and Montinari
is this going to include all of his works?
>but he apparently omitted some things
so the sanitising was just omission not the editing/modification of his work?
>controversy surrounding Will to Power
as in the will to power as a concept or as a work? i didnt know he published anything with this title or is it a posthumous collection?

>>17338481
>is this going to include all of his works?
Yes.

>so the sanitising was just omission not the editing/modification of his work?
As I see it, these can be and are the same thing in this situation. Kaufmann is known for his fairly liberal commentary throughout his translations in the footnotes. Though, maybe he was just trying to appeal to liberal academics who became authorities on education especially after WWII, who knows. The point is that the English translations are incomplete.

>as in the will to power as a concept or as a work? i didnt know he published anything with this title or is it a posthumous collection?
It's a posthumous collection of his unpublished notebooks. Colli and Montinari called it a forgery, which may be too harsh, but the arrangement of aphorisms is made up, some are cruder versions of aphorisms he had already published, and some of them are unfinished to the point of being almost illegible, so it's very messy. It's also the work that his sister was involved with, so scholars became even more skeptical of it (and the more liberal ones probably intentionally so). And no one knows if Nietzsche really intended to publish anything called the Will to Power either, although I read somewhere that he had plans to at one point, but he could have changed his mind.

>>17336878
>shadow boxing: the thread