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Is it better than the Illiad?

i think so

>> No.17329856

Yes, but worse than the Odyssey

>> No.17330167

>>17329856
Odyssey is still fun, but worst than both

>> No.17331209

>>17329842
Romans > Greeks

>> No.17331291

>>17329842
No, but better than the oddisey

>> No.17331353

>>17329842
Artistically speaking, yes. Almost all philologists from the Renaissance up til now agree that Virgil polished the errors of Homer given that V. had a greater book culture to draw from.

>> No.17331919

>>17329842
Nah,
Chapman's Odyssey > Chapman's Illiad > any version of the Aeneid because chapman never translated them.

>> No.17331920

>>17329842
Yes

>> No.17331926

>>17331353
>the errors of Homer

what

from a pure technique point of view, I'd give it to Virgil; but I find "is x better than x" sophomoric.

>> No.17331928

>>17331926
I find your mom sophomoric

>> No.17331933

>>17331928
i'm gonna teach you the hard way

>> No.17331946

Homer has greater highs than Virgil but The Aeneid doesn't have as many dry parts as The Iliad I guess.

>> No.17331962

>>17329842
I was able to finish the Aeneid, but not the Illiad.

>> No.17331978

>>17331926
Bit unfair to Homer since by the time of Virgin the poetic tradition is much more advanced than Homer who was transcribing an oral tradition. If you want to go by writing ability/talent Ovid ran circles around all of them. Ovid's only weakness was he could be too tongue in cheek.

>> No.17332821

>>17329842
Yes, and Ovid is superior to Virgil

>> No.17333133

>>17331209
dangerously based

>> No.17333184

No, he was repetitive and unoriginal, far too narrow in his poetic scope
The only reason he was even read widely was because Homer was lost to western Europe

>> No.17333193

>>17331919
Dryden's translation is pretty kino

>> No.17333220

>>17329842
While I don't contend to say who is better than who, in terms of my preferences
Metamorphoses > Aeneid > Odyssey > Iliad. I understand some people will find this heretical, and if pressed, I will soil their trousers.

>> No.17333283

>>17329842
You guys read this in english?

>> No.17333324

>>17329842
lmao fanfiction Virgin was forced to write

>> No.17333571

>>17333220
Soil my trousers because I find this heretical

>> No.17333617

I'm only halfway through currently but right now I find it better than the iliad but worse than the odyssey

>> No.17333688
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17333688

*cough*

>> No.17335010

>>17331978
>he still thinks "Homer" wrote the Illiad and the Odyssey.
time to grow up boyo

>> No.17335028

>>17329842
Fuck no.

>> No.17335031

>>17329842
Yes.

>> No.17335042
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17335042

>>17333324
>I want it to be about uuuuuuh the Trojans, yea the Trojans, we wuz Trojans alright?
>Now get writing, or you can enjoy being ass shafted in the border lands by Barbarians.

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>>17333571
>conskites your breeches

>> No.17335198

>>17329856
The Odyssey is worse than the Iliad

>> No.17335330

>>17331919
Chapman's Iliad >> Chapman's Odyssey.
His Iliad is literally one of the greatest poems in English.

>> No.17335634

>>17329856
Based and correct

>> No.17335695

>>17329856
Cringe and retardpilled

>> No.17335848

>>17335330
For some reason, rather than use the same meter, Chapman used fourteeners for the Iliad and heroic couplets for the Odyssey. On one hand, iambic heptameter is closer to the original dactylic hexameter; on the other hand, iambic pentameter just sounds better for English. So I can't say one is significantly better than the other.

>> No.17337332

>>17333220
Pretty good list you got there BUT

Catullus 64 > DRN > Astonautilia > Metamorphoses > Odyssey > Aeneid > Iliad

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17337441

Odyssey > Iliad > He Who Saw the Deep > Aeneid

>> No.17337883

>>17331978
>Ovid ran circles around all of them
Finally, /lit/ is starting to grow up and realise this.

>> No.17337918

It’s a bunch of Revisionistic LARP fanfic.

>> No.17338769

>>17331209
Who are some good/essential Roman reads?

>> No.17338803

>>17331919
I know people hate fagles but I really enjoy him

>> No.17338938

>>17338769
http://classics.mit.edu/Browse/index.html
Just read everything on here and you'll be fine.

>> No.17339391

>>17337332
De rerum natura > Catullus 64 > DRN > Astonautilia > Metamorphoses > Odyssey > Aeneid > Iliad

ftfy

>> No.17339445

it's a garbage pastiche. nothing of value. ovid and catallus are infinitely better.

>> No.17341015

>>17329856
This

>> No.17341040

>>17338803
only pseuds “hate” fagles. His translations are excellent. Sure there might be some that are better, as in more artistic, but for translation quality, the only thing that really matters, Fagles is excellent.

>> No.17341041

>>17339391
>De rerum natura
>DRN

>> No.17341046

>>17331209
Based retard

>> No.17341173
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>>17332821
>Despite his capabilities of transforming and making original that which was once Greek, his imagination blew his course astray far too many times towards rough waves. Although he was one of the best readers and imitators of the Greek poets, he lacked their graceful restraint and indulged in many laborious descriptions. What took him a page, Dante could do in two lines.

>> No.17341204

>>17339391
It's exactly the other way around lol

>> No.17341265

>>17329842
Yeah!

>> No.17341284

>>17329842
The pastoral poetry is where Virgil really shines.