/lit/ - Literature

>>17318535
First for Sanderson used to be good (but now he is not)

>>17318535
>thread question
This guy I guess. His books got me into fantasy way before Harry Potter or Percy Jackson did.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/452-youtube-livestream-23/#e14524
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/452-youtube-livestream-23/#e14516
Pretty gay. Someone theorized that Hoid met with Odium intentionally to keep Odium's attention while somebody did something important somewhere else. Hoid allowing this to occur is the only way I could be satisfied.

>>17318535
I'm surprised Pratchett doesn't get discussed more often. I see him once every ten threads at the most.

>>17318599
he's mentioned at least once every two threads probably, but I'm including simple namedrops or recs
to be honest, his image has been tarnished because of reddit

>>17318535
>“I’ll tell you what,” he said. “I’ll bring a copy down to you. Give me until this evening.” He found a pen and paper. “Let’s have your address.” The hell with the Mageboom simulacrum, in view of this; he had never witnessed such an attractive girl in his life. All at once everything else had become mediocre, hurled back into proper perspective.
>[...]
>An hour later, slightly after five o’clock, the cab began to descend to the roof field of Patty Weaver’s remarkably handsome, large and stylish new conapt building. This is the big time, Chuck said to himself. Hobnobbing with a breast-heavy TV starlet… what more could he ask?
THAT part of the book where THE MC meets The Attractive Popular Girl.

>glancing at the excessively modern furniture; it was neo-pre-Columbian in style
I lol'd at neo-pre-. While simple, he does have a way with casual futuristic scenery descriptions.

>Her part. Good grief, he realized; he hadn’t written any dialogue that included her, the slinky, breast-heavy, nipple-dilated female intelligence agent—he had only done scenes between Ziggy Trots and his shrewish wife.

I want to get to the part where the Heebs telepathically dunk on Mary & Friends already.

I'm about halfway through Snow Crash. I'm usually not to much of a sci fi guy but this is a really comfy vibe.

No, honestly between all of us I think all /sffg/ authors get hit pretty well, and if you mentioned someone, another anon will know. I swing sci-fi and I'm very happy with the knowledge here.

Now onto that pic OP - I just CANNOT get into the Culture books. I think everyone agrees that Consider Phelbas is kinda weak, but I didn't even enjoy Player of Games. I don't know if it's his writing, or characters, or what. Go ahead and take me out back and shoot me - that's fine. I'm halfway through The Ministry of the Future by KSR now - talk about stiff characters. Great ideas though. also keep it up Dick poster - Dick is and will forever be based. I tried reading his Exegesis and felt like I needed a drink afterwards.

>>17318557
Sanderson is honestly terrible at writing really old characters. None of them act their age.

>>17318600
I accept your defeat.

Is this faggot worth reading?

HOW
I HATE
THIS THREAD

>>17318747
Not with that attitude it isn't.

>>17318669
Tara yanking out Nightblood and stabbing Odium made me roll my eyes

>>17318800
One word for you:

O U T L I N E
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>>17318813
I do not disagree with you, friend.

>>17318826
>>17318813

Anything to feed that most singular monster.

>/sff/ made me hate outlines

Is there any truth to this though? I don’t mean that books shouldn’t have outlines. But why are they bad if they’re taken to extremes? Shouldn’t it be a little bit of both? Improvisation and Outlining?

>>17318669
>None of them act their age.
None of them act their own, which is even worse.

Just finished Rhythm of War. What did I think of it?

>>17319239
I mean, you must have enjoyed it, right? Why else would you suffer its 1200 pages?

>>17319239

I have Corona, no joking got tested. My temp is 38, I have a headache, bit of nausea, the shits. It's not super severe, but enough that I have to lie down on my back otherwise it gets worse.

Can someone recommend me a nice easy happy audiobook I can listen to while suffering. I like sci-fi and fantasy obviously but other stuff is welcome as well.

>>17319321
>>17319339
im starting to think sanderson is a hack

>>17319351
>>17319239
Welcome to the club. I stopped reading when Navani started helping the enemy.

>>17319348
I don’t like the Wheel of time, but the first two books are alright, and you should already be ok once you finish those. They are comfy enough for an audio playthrough.

Best of luck!

How is it?
Canticle is one of my favorite books of all time.

>>17319339
I still say this image makes Sanderson look good.
A bunch of burly men doing flashy sword magic actually sounds boring as fuck. But a exploring stockholm syndrome and mental disorders sounds interesting.

>>17319385
>But a exploring stockholm syndrome and mental disorders sounds interesting.

He makes a caricature out of them.

>>17319400
Navani clearly doesn’t have 25 cards in hand.

>>17319348
I can't say I know any "happy" books. All of the ones I've read have someone dying at some point in the plot. But trying my best to achieve all of your qualifications, I'd say Cradle is the way to go. It's the most "happy" thing I've read. It's pretty light hearted overall. Definitely nice and easy to read. And the narration is top notch. Travis Baldree has a very easy going tone by default, which he swaps out when reading dialogue.

What's a book like Harry Potter, but good?

>>17319493
shadow of the torturer

>>17319522
At least he will read something good.

>>17319522
I'm at the beginning of this book, and already I can't tell if the main character is some kind of psychopath, or if the author is. Because the character keeps falling in love with women on first sight. First he falls in love with some random lady in the graveyard. Then falls in love with some random lady in the dungeon cell. Then falls in love with some random shopkeeper. Again, all on first sight.
Does this actually mean anything? Or is it just one of the author's quirks?

>>17319730
it's pretty unique to BotNS among what of his writing i've read. sev has been raised by torturers since he was a toddler and has seen almost no women who weren't prisoners who existed solely to be ruthlessly raped and flayed. also i don't think he really "fell in love" with thea so much as he projected thecla onto her. it's complicated, as you'll see. the sev writing the books is not entirely the same person that's in that part of the story - if the sev writing the books is to be believed. (i think he is, generally.)

>>17319730
You should just stick with “50 Shades of Grey”.

>Reaching tehol kino in malazan
Based

Been reading Machen the last few days, what other Weird pre-Lovecraft authors should I read?

>>17319417
Sounds like Sanderson alright. His characters always feel weirdly artificial and souless, like they're just going through the motions.

>>17319339
No one here has the balls to post this on the Shard.

>>17320146
Including yourself who has even less because you know you don't and are trying to goad others into doing so.

>>17320162
You’re right. I don’t. I will lose my reputation on the Shard.

>>17319932
Malazan is kino almost the entire way through but those parts are especially well done

>>17319385
It would have been better if Raboniel turned Navani into her lesbian sex slave

>Thread question
The New Wave gang, and other forgotten classics
>Effinger
>Sheckley
>Silverberg
>Delany
>Crowley
>Sturgeon
>Malzberg

>>17320316
That would be the non Mormon version of the book.

They were THAT close.

Is horror (eg. Lovecraft) considered /sffg/ ?

How does the societal detritus that makes up such a large portion of Sanderson's fanbase deal with the fact that he is a Mormon? Or do they approach it with the same level of cognitive dissonance as American liberals do with JK Rowling?

>>17320385
Yes

>>17320389
Is there a reason horror isnt discussed so often here? Im thinking of reading Lovecraft at some point

Lovecraft's cat's name

>>17320389
>How does the societal detritus that makes up such a large portion of Sanderson's fanbase deal with the fact that he is a Mormon? Or do they approach it with the same level of cognitive dissonance as American liberals do with JK Rowling?
Either go to his official forums or wait for the anon who usually posts links here with the most lunatic threads they post over there.

>>17320358
>we will NEVER get a scene of Syl sloppily eating out Kaladin’s asshole while she reaches around and milks Stormlight out of his cock
It hurts. It really hurts.

>>17318653
>No, honestly between all of us I think all /sffg/ authors get hit pretty well, and if you mentioned someone, another anon will know. I swing sci-fi and I'm very happy with the knowledge here.
Lmao

>>17320416
>>17320389

I am not an atheist and I actually giggle sometimes to the subtle clues (in Mistborn) about religion and morality.

I find it funny his audience is trannies.

>>17320447
>>17320416
>>17320389

Have fun.

https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/95093-renarins-name-what-im-hoping-brandon-isnt-doing/

>>17320403
>>17320403
>Is there a reason horror isnt discussed so often here
Horror as a genre often gets its own threads and this general is mostly post after post talking about Sanderson or Bakker with the odd conversation of a slightly more obscure author sitting in-between. Occasionally we get a general based around horrific web/light novels and self published harem trash or even more rarely one made up entirely of multiple simultaneous discussions of actual sff but it usually follows the Sander/Bakker dynamic. Lovecraft is definitely worth a read but don't expect it to be amazing by modern standards. Many classics are classic for pioneering a genre not for exploring it to its fullest.

I heard that he revived the cat with it already having that name but have done zero research to see if that is true

>>17320538
>revived
Meant "received" but there's a bit of humor in that typo relating to Lovecraft

>>17320493
I don't think reading that will be fun at all

>>17320558
based typo

>>17319452
>Travis Baldree
This faggot was fanboying Wight when Uncrowned came out and trying to tell others to not critique the book, acting like it had no flaws.

>>17320538
God knows all I want is to do is to Bakkerpost in piece. Those are the most based and chill threads.

Instead we have to suffer fucking Sandaro and the endless amount of anti-sander-schizos baiting the ONE sandersoy in the entire general. This one is actually going well because the Sandersoy is asleep right now.

>>17320607
Meh. So he's a team player. Not a big deal. Just ignore him.

>>17320416
>https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/93382-plurality-representation/

What were some of the most memorable books you read in middle school or earlier? I picked up pic related at a Scholastic Book fair probably around 4th grade and it blew me away. I still have the hardcover copy sitting on my shelf

What was the point of Sorweel? What was the point of the whole Nonman mansion section at all? Don't get me wrong, it was one of my favorite part of the whole series for its sheer alien scope, but at the end there was nothing to gain after it. I think Bakker just wanted to wank his world building off, otherwise I can't explain what was the whole purpose.

>>17320763
Among the hidden
Sea of trolls
Remnants (don’t know what the FUCK KA applegate was think with this, cause it had a lot of fucked up shit for a kids book
Animorphs
Any book by William Sleator (guaranteed to have something fucked up though, like the one with the mind reading and the MC who had a love triangle with his two cousins)
Pendragon
Narnia
Scary stories to tell in the dark

>>17318535
You might not like it, but this is what peak modern sci-fi looks like.

Are there any good Sci-fi novels that don't delve into endless technology/science expositions and explanations?

>>17321094
Yes, several

>>17321034
All great choices and Pendragon was one I almost used in my original post. I couldn't even tell you if the books were good I just remember enjoying the hell out of them. I also read quite a few choose your own adventure novels in my school library

>>17321034
>>17321115
>HOBEY HO, BOBBY
>LET'S GO HANG SOME SNIGGERS
It was a different time back then.

>>17321115
They were pretty ok but then shit the bed at the ending. Doesn’t even end up with the qt brown girl

>>17318650
Snowcrash is the only "cyberpunk" I ever remember actually liking.

>>17319932
The best way I've ever seen it described is "Tehol and Bug's poverty adventures".

>>17318650
neal stephenson used to be so good but fell off real hard in the 2010s

Why did Navani betray her peers?

>17321225
Why are you making up nonsense questions for (You)'s?

Still can't believe that he actually conspired against and spied on Frodo...

>>17319348
Jack Vance Planet of Adventure, all parts are on youtube.

>>17321225
Curiosity.

>>17321256
How did you not know?
He was trimming that verge a little too late, don't you think?

>Why are you making up nonsense questions for (You)'s?

>>17321279
>Jack Van

Wew nice, was once of my favourite books as a child - time for a late night trip down memory lance

>>17321114
Ok, such as?

>>17321359
>leaves of the "ce" from "Vance"
>adds it to "one" for "once" and "lane" for "lance"
Like poetry

>>17321372
What sort of sci fi? You looking for space opera , character-driven, thematic soft sf, something else?

>>17321115
>>17321145
Amen. I don’t know what happened in that last book, it felt like the guy started using 2020 Twitter or something with that nazi stuff

>>17321385
I have no fucking clue. Please indulge me.

Rent free baby, you know I love you faggot ;^*

>>17321393
Book of the new sun

>>17321434
Already read it. Something more sci-fiesque please, if such thing makes sense.

>>17321393

For character-driven psychological depressive stuff try the jews: Dying Inside (Silverberg), Beyond Apollo, Herovit's Planet (Malzberg).

For thematic stuff, This Immortal, Lord of Light (Zelazny), More than Human (Sturgeon), Delaney (Dhalgren), BotNS (I don't care for Wolfe, but I guess it fits).

Space Opera maybe M John Harrison? I thought Light was pretty solid.

Triton, by Delany also makes fun of overexplained fake technology with several completely and intentionally nonsensical passages.

>>17318553
He was my first fantasy author other than Tolkien. I picked him up in middle school about 20 years ago now. I read almost everything he wrote, but lost interest in the Midkemia stuff after the Dark War Saga where it was just getting kinda stupid. I loved Riftwar though, and Serpent War was pretty good military fantasy which is what got me into Glen Cook and Steven Erickson later.

What was your favorite books by him? Or did you only read Riftwar? I love Daughter of the Empire, but the most comfy read to me is always Magician.

>>17321452
Thanks buddy. All I want is a book where characters simply use their advanced technology without having to spoon feed the reader about any of it. The opposite of Sanderson really.

>>17318535
>Are there any science fiction or fantasy authors that you love but you never see discussed in /sffg/?
Tad Williams is never discussed here. I search his name in the archive and almost every post that mentions him was one I made. I think there's one other Williams' fan here since I don't remember writing some of the posts, but I don't think I've ever had an actual discussion about Williams on /sffg/, mostly just shill his books to people hoping somebody reads them cause I truly do love his work.

>>17318553
Just started reading this series and so far it’s not as bad as I expected. I’m actually enjoying it, although some character interactions make me physically cringe ( people don’t laugh they “roar with laughter while patting one another on the back”. They don’t get sad they are “racked with sobs while choking back tears”)

I plan on finishing the series no matter how stupid it gets. I heard the Krondor books is where it goes to shit.

>>17321499
I thoroughly enjoyed The Shadowmarch books when I read them six or seven years ago. I'm about 3/5s of the way through The Dragonbone Chair but I keep getting distracted by other novels. It's good, no doubt, but the way it influenced so many more modern works makes it hard to go back to after having read so much that came after it. I started the first Bobby Dollar novel when I was on a bit of an urban fantasy kick (those were dark days) and I'll probably get back to it some point as its still on my kindle

>>17321466
I’ve met two people who loved the daughter of the empire trilogy but they’ve never read a single Midkemia book. Seems weird but what do I know.

>>17320626
>bakkerfag
>throws autistic hissy fit at the mere mention of Sanderson's name
checks out

Is reading the Silmarillion worth it if I somewhat like the LOTR universe?

>>17321537
Personally, I never much cared for Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn. I know it's the work he's most famous for because that's the one GRRM sited as a big influence on him, but it's really dated I feel. My favorite series by him will always be Shadowmarch, it was actually the first of his books I picked up. I also enjoyed Otherland, but similar to MST it can be very slow at times. I definitely understand having to take breaks reading Dragonbone Chair, it took me a while to get through it. The sequel series he's writing for MST, The Last King of Osten Ard, is a lot better paced. He improves with every series he writes, I feel, gets better at pacing. His main issue has always been an excruciatingly slow buildup.

>>17321545
That's cause that series has a reputation as the best thing Feist wrote (cowrote with Janny Wurts technically). Could be they are Wurts fans, but I doubt it. There's a type of person who only reads "the best". Probably some redditor put Daughter of the Empire on a chart or something and that's why they read it. You miss out on a lot of context if you didn't read Magician at the very least though.

Have you read any of the later Sagas on Midkemia? What about his new series, King of Ashes (I forget what the series is called)?

started thousandfold thought.
esme is being extrawhoretarded.

is she getting murdered anytime soon? im already skipping pages of her bullshit, i swear ill break my fucking ereader if she doesnt get done.

>>17321451
You mean more down to earth with lots of actual science sprinkled in, where you end up actually learning as well?
Red Mars

>>17321466
Only read the first book sadly

>>17318535
>Are there any science fiction or fantasy authors that you love but you never see discussed in /sffg/?
Colin Kapp.

>>17321619
I'm assuming you mean Magician as a single volume? The version I own is split into two books: Magician: Apprentice, and Magician: Master, but it's really one complete story in two.

>>17321630
Nope
I read the first book on a cruise and never knew how to find the second, I was like 7 years old
I also recall reading the Sphere on that cruise, also good

>>17321647
Well I'd recommend reading the Riftwar Saga if you ever feel like getting back into it. His stuff can feel a little basic/cliched after you've expanded a bit more into fantasy, but he has a lot of good storytelling in his first couple sagas with pretty memorable characters.

>>17321499
I like Tad Williams. I have read the Memory, Sorrow and Thorn series, the Otherland series and the Shadowmarch series.

The Shadowmarch series fucked me up like nothing else in my 40 year reading career because I initially skipped over all the seemingly boring god tales and didnt pay attention to all their different names and different stories in the various cultures and I got completely lost when it all turned out to be important. I should have made a spreadsheet about htat stuff right from the start. Finishing that series was the hardest thing I have ever done readingwise. I really regret not paying attention and losing the plot because the ending was awesome and epic.

>>17321616
>You mean more down to earth with lots of actual science sprinkled in, where you end up actually learning as well?
>Red Mars

In my memory about one third of that fucking books consists of dry-as-dust decriptions of Martian landscape and geological features. It was an awful slog.

>>17319993
Walpole- Castle of Otranto
William Beckford - Vathek
George Meredith - Shaving of Shagpat
Anne Radcliffe - Mysteries of Udolpho
Matthew Lewis - the monk
Richard Garnett- Twilight of the Gods
Sheridan LeFanu
E.H. Visiak
Lord Dunsany
Robert W. Chambers
M.P. Shiel - The Purple Cloud
M.R. James
Charles Robert Maturin -Melmoth the wanderer
Algernon Blackwood

>>17320763
Harry Potter obviously
Artemis fowl
Series of unfortunate events
Deltora
Another Day Another Dungeon
The Odyssey
Beowulf
And then just a bunch of stuff my parents had me read like 1984, and gone with the wind. I also vividly remember Anna Karenina being the first book that was too hard for me to finish in junior high

>>17321115
this dude sorta kinda ripped off Stephen King's Dark Man/Dark Tower stuff and actually ended up better than that series lmao

>>17320763
The Giver

>>17318535
Senlin Ascends, The Books of Babel #1 - Josiah Bancroft (2013)
I wanted to like this, but it wasn't meant to be. I appreciate the tower concept, as I've enjoyed it in various media, more than a few of which were fantasy, but not in this case. When I initially read a bit of this originally self-published novel to see if it was worthwhile I was hesitant. It seemed like it wouldn't go well for me. However my hopes were buoyed by the ratings and praise it received in general and from those in the /sffg/ Goodreads group and thread. Shortly before I began reading I was warned that I wouldn't enjoy it, and I didn't really, but not for that the reason mentioned, which was that it was too "wacky" like Hitchhiker's Guide to Galaxy.
I'm moderately allergic to most allegory and such was the case with this even though I was sympathetic to it.
Each ringdom he goes through seems to symbolize some specific sin akin to Dante's Inferno, among other similarities. In trying to find out why this was so enjoyable for others, I read several reviewers from different sites. There were comparisons to Pilgrim's Progress as well.
It may be be an odd comparison but for to me it was like a fever dream caricature of movies like Bedknobs & Broomsticks and Mary Poppins in some ways. Although they never did, I wouldn't have been surprised if the characters stopped what they were doing and broke out in song and dance with each other. That would've been interesting.
There's a dark undercurrent to almost everything that happens, but as with its social commentary, it isn't something it dwells upon
Because I only played Bioshock Infinite briefly I checked if others thought there similarities to it and they did, which is intriguing because the book was self-published the month before the game released.
Despite that the plot becomes less plodding near the end, it wasn't nearly enough to counteract how bored I was for most of it.
It seems to me that the impetus will mostly be the search for his wife, which isn't enough for me, though I wouldn't be surprised if this narrative pretense was abandoned and he does whatever just because it's what he's doing. Afterwards it'll be something along the lines of "You always had the potential to be the chosen one, the tower simply revealed to you who you truly are." which would be returning too closely to a standard fantasy model and disappoint those who thought this was a book that said to them, "I'm not like those other fantasy books".
To sum up my thoughts: an unlikeable, unsympathetic, oblivious, and naïve child groomer lurches through the tower dragging everyone else down to pull himself up, even if unintentionally so.
I won't be reading the second book. Sometimes 3 stars are because the book is very uneven, with many highs and lows, but in this case it was almost a flatline and that simply won't do at all for me. That I don't care enough for the characters, setting, plot, or anything else about it doesn't help either.
Rating: 3/5

>>17321753
Ah shit, I forgot Hilari Bell and Vivian Vande Velde who absolutely deserve more love. Heir Apparent was such a cool fucking book

>>bakkerfag
>>throws autistic hissy fit at the mere mention of Sanderson's name
>checks out

>>17320626
>one
My favorite part is because I meet shitposting with shitposting you think I'm the only one being shitposted at. Spoiler alert: I haven't actually initiated a single Sanderson post since the Christmas blitz. Fucking one, you memelords are hilarious

>>17321777
>Heir Apparent is a science fiction/fantasy novel by young adult fiction author Vivian Vande Velde, about a girl who becomes trapped inside a looping virtual reality role-playing game called Heir Apparent
Anon this is just SAO

>>17321932
>implying those are mutually exclusive
l2meme n00b

>>17321975
>l2meme n00b
cringe

>>17321850
Yeah, but with a hot chick instead of a gay edgelord

>My favorite part is because I meet shitposting with shitposting you think I'm the only one being shitposted at. Spoiler alert: I haven't actually initiated a single Sanderson post since the Christmas blitz. Fucking one, you memelords are hilarious

I've read less than a hundred pages of Sandaro and that was years ago; that being said, I'm convinced that there's only a sole anon here who hates Brandon which such a passion as to derail the thread with shitposts every thread.
He is quite literally the definition of "living in your head, rent free"

>>17318535
>Are there any science fiction or fantasy authors that you love but you never see discussed in /sffg/?

John C. Wright, probably my favorite author

>>17321744
>about one third of that fucking books consists of dry-as-dust decriptions of Martian landscape and geological features.
Yes.

>>17322115
*tips fedora*

>>17322113
Fathom, if you can, being the anti-sanderschizo. Wrap your mind around forcing yourself to read thousands upon thousands of pages of fiction you already know disgust you. Trace the thoughts of one whose entire identity is camping a thread about books on an Armenian horse gelding forum so they can tell anyone who will listen how much they hate this one author they've unwittingly devoted a not insignificant portion of their life to. Can you grasp how warped such a mind is? How incapable of joy? Why, just point to something you like about Sanderson and wait 10 hours, he'll have brand new poorly crafted memes trying to bait you into even more discussion about a subject he physically cannot stand! I for one pity the schizo even as enjoy seeing his mental breakdown unfold in real time.

>>17322115
>converted from atheism to Christianity, citing a profound religious experience with visions of the "Virgin Mary, her son, and His Father, not to mention various other spirits and ghosts over a period of several days
Sounds a bit dismissive towards those other ghosts, almost rude.

>>17322138
That's Philip Pullman

>>17321984
Allow me to educate you. The point of the meme I'm referencing is to present 2 cognitively dissonant ideas about the same subject. The point of having two contradictory options and being hard pressed to choose is the entire premise of the meme. But, Sanderson can be a shit writer and write Navani betraying "her peers" (which is an unrelated linguistic gripe not worth getting into here). These things aren't even remotely exclusive. Not only that, but anyone making the argument that she's not betraying anyone would also argue Sanderson not being a shit writer. The entire meme is nonsensical and toothless.

Pic related is how you really execute this meme, but be careful. It's a little spicy.

>>17318535
What's your favorite depiction of a society with magic in fantasy /sffg/? One series that you think does a good job of realistically incorporating magic into its world?

>>17322276
The Ladies of Mandrigyn, can't say too much because I'll spoil it but it takes very typical fantasy magic and uses it brilliantly within the story.
Also love Chalion because the magic is both real and still clearly beyond mortal comprehension.

For that really standardised shonen like magic "system" stuff that really took off with Sanderson I think Imager is the best I've seen it done and incorporated.

>>17322138
>>17322245
I know he is a pretty cringy individual, but he just seems to understand beauty, and heroism. His stories are incredibly imaginative but with a classic feel. He is like the antidegenerate.

I can easily recommend his "The Golden Oecumene" series, as well as his "Superluminary" trilogy, and the "Count to Eschaton sequence". Awake in Nightland is a good start and is a fantastic follow up the original book by Hodson.

His books tend to lift me up, you know how when you were a kid you would sometimes see a movie and it would make you exited and want to do stuff. That is what it feels like to read his books. The kind of people that enjoy his books are people that want to build craft to go to mars, that want to built the highest towers and the fastest vehicles.

Why does he wear the _I´´´I_?

>>17321932
>implying it’s not perfectly in character for a woman to betray her people just to get a wiff of that femalen pussy

>>17322330
how many of them are trannies?

>>17321932
Both desu senpai

>>17322254
Why doesn't his face paint melt away with the sweat?

>>17322403
He's aware enough of internet culture to know fedoras are ironically cool, but not enough to know that only absolute faggots think this.

>>17321693
>The Shadowmarch series fucked me up like nothing else in my 40 year reading career because I initially skipped over all the seemingly boring god tales and didnt pay attention to all their different names and different stories in the various cultures and I got completely lost when it all turned out to be important. I should have made a spreadsheet about htat stuff right from the start
Oh man, I paid attention to them only after I noticed they were mentioning some of the names of gods that were relevant to the plot, so I went back and read every single one. I actually did create a little name association web to figure out how they were related, and that's how I figured out the major discrepancy between the Triarchy's official history and the Xisian version of the myths. That was one of my favorite parts of Shadowmarch, untangling the three different version of mythology to find out what really happened.

And yet the ending still caught me by surprise and I didn't see it coming at all.

>>17319381
not that good

I never realized that A Canticle for Leibowitz was /sffg/ and I ended up reading Candide thinking it was ACfL

>>17322442
I don't think there are any trannies in his works.

>>17319381
There was only one book written by Walter Miller. Remember that, anon.

>>17319493
Dresden Files is pretty good.

>>17320763
Silverwing series

>>17319417
For real. I just started Rhythm of War. I'm 10 chapters in and what the fuck happened to Shallan in between OB and RoW? She's constantly switching between personalities at lightspeed... and everybody's cool with it? And she's trying to suppress more? And Kaladin got more fucked in between books too. It's just shitty character work. He's getting worse and just pandering. I don't remember it ever being this bad in past books.

>>17321081
I listened to it on the commute to work and it just wasn't very memorable. It has a couple funny moments and that's it.

>>17322330
B&R. You should check out the Guest Law by him. Its available in audio format on YouTube. The Eschaton sequence is my favorite of his work but Superluminary is also really fun.

>>17322821
>It took him 4 books to realize that Sanderson cannot write good characters.
Well, better late then never.

>>17322821
It feels like he isn't sure how to develop Kaladin if he doesn't keep having PTSD and becoming suicidal. Shallan feels like he was experimenting with writing a character with a strange mental disorder and it ended badly

>>17322821
Sanderson is guy with original ideas that get lost in mediocre writing and bad planning.

Just stop insulting your intelligent and move on to actual good series. Life's too short to read shit.

>>17322821
Buckle up buddy. You will suffer through the exact same plotlines from the previous 3 books until the end of this one.

In the meanwhile you will also have to suffer through Eshonai/Venli's irrelevant flashbacks, the absence of Dalinar and Szeth, Tavangarian pulling a "eh, nothin personel kiddo", Navani's IQ drooping below zero, and the cosmere taking a steamy dump on Roshar.

Enjoy.

Also, nothing really happens aside from the super sayan moments.

I can't do it, I can't finish WoT. I've been working on getting through them the last few months and I've just hit a wall. Every female character is an entitled cunt, and the best character in the series, Mat, has been a rape slave for the last 2-3 books. I can't even remember the number of books because they all begin blending together with the braid tugging and skirt smoothing filler. Did Jordan have some sort of femdom fetish or something? He seems to really like putting every male characte in the power of a horrible woman. I didn't mind the bitchy stubborn girls at first, but there is no growth. I'm on book 9 and they have not improved at all. How is this series so highly regarded? Even without the annoying characters nothing has happened of importance for 2-3 books now.

Anyways, recommend me something good to clean my palate of this shit.

>>17323091
Just fucking read it you pussy. As soon as Sanderson takes over the quality jumps back to that of the first six books

>>17323091
Read Bakker

>>17323168
never nigger

>>17321744
Im glad you got filtered.

>>17323310
>I want to read something good
>Read [good series]
>NO!

>>17323091
If you're at the rape slave part Mat is about to pop off. There's also a bit before he does where the three of them get completely humiliated by Aviendha telling them off for never thanking Mat for saving them in the Stone. Also Nynaeve is very close to marrying Lan

>>17322330
Good way to put it anon. No matter how his public persona comes across, he does show a deep appreciation and understanding for what made golden age stories memorable and enjoyable, and all of his books that I've read are satisfying in the way Jack Vance's novels are.

>>17319993
William Hope Hodgson

>>17319993
David Lindsay is a Lovecraft contemporary but read him anyway

>>17323834
Voyage to Arcturus is something everybody should read

>>17323091
Emphyrio

>>17321570
In my opinion is way better than LOTR, it actually feels like an ancient saga.

>>17322851
You listened to all 15 books?

>>17321570
If you care at all about LotR as a setting you should read it. It explains virtually everything about the story and provides a lot of context. People often say it's the "bible" of Middle Earth but what they mean by that is that it's written as a compendium of Elvish lore. It's the mythology of the world as the Elves know it, as well as their history dating back to the very creation of their race all the way up to the Third Age, when the events of LotR take place, which is only toward the end of the book. Tolkien created so much history and mythology for Middle Earth that LotR barely scratches the surface of.

>grandad likes light isekai fantasy novels (but western ones obviously, like spellsinger)
>give him black company to read
>as soon as I'm home again I remember the scene where Croaker dreams about raping a pair of 12 year old girls
Looks like being in the will is back off the menu, boys

>>17324229
bruh if he doesn't like black company i'll chew my own arm off HOW CAN HE NOT LIKE IT

Plebs..

her cunt became the world...

>>17314677
ok, I'm glad I went back and re-read chapters, because I would have missed a bunch of crucial stuff. But even so, this book didn't exactly blow my socks off. It felt like a lot was happening without much context or motive. While at the same time, it felt like nothing much was happening at all.

It's like, there was a singular, somewhat simple plotline to carry the whole book, but then the character kept getting sidetracked again and again. And each little detour felt like it was setting up for plotlines to come in the future.
But sure enough, there wasn't any time to address all those little setups in the current book. And in fact the book ends abruptly in an odd place.

Basically what I'm getting at here, is that the first book is just plain incomplete. And what was there, wasn't all that compelling. Still, there's enough mystery to keep me interested, so I'm going to dive into the next book. And as unimpressive as it was, it was still way better than the Sanderson stories I just finished reading. A 9 hour audiobook beat 54 hours of Cosmere.

>>17324853
Book of the New Sun should be treated as one book, the structure heavily relies on you reading the whole thing in a reasonably short space of time (a month or so, for example) like you would with a single long book.

>>17321499
He is a good writer, although his ultra-liberal politics are too much for me in some of his series. Memory, sorrow and thorn is brilliant and has less political messages than his later stuff.

Why are so many love interests in western fantasy stories such sluts?
They constantly either sleep around or get raped?
Do people actually like used goods?

>>17324893
I guess it flew over my head. Never really noticed anything ultra liberal about Shadowmarch. Or even Otherland really.

>>17321759
I tried reading this book and only got a little bit into it and gave up.
It was awful.

>>17324982
That’s why I read chinese web novels
Women are pure

>>17325283
Thanks for your feedback, Biden.

Is Dune worth reading?

>>17325474
Depends. It has some really good worldbuilding and it's easy to see why it was so influential, but the prose is stuffy and awkward and the characters are as wooden as it gets. Herbert also has an obnoxious habit of switching POVs every second sentence, defeating the very point of having a POV and turning the narration into an omniscient exposition machine.

>>17325575
I think I might dodge it then. The only reason I was interested was because I heard it was good and the song Weapon of Choice

Shall convincing a bunch of deserters not to rob and rape her is the epitomy of cringe.

>>17322113
>>17322213
>imagine replying to your own posts because no one acknowledges you
cringe

A rather specific question, but is there any SFF book/series where the protag becomes a major political/military figure despite being frail and generally physically unsuited for it? I've been reading Augustus' biographies and it's incredible how the guy became *the* Roman emperor despite nearly dying of random illnesses like every other year.

>>17325849
The Warrior's Apprentice by Lois McMaster Bujold
It might be what you are looking for.

>>17322113
Sanderson is fucking shit in fairness

>>17325876
why is bujold so underrated? she's one of the few women authors who consistently write decent sci-fi. is it because of the baen covers?

>>17325792
>imagine being a stupid try hard faggot

>>17325899
She's won quite a number of awards, so she's not critically underrated at least. As for readers, yeah, probably. I've never seen an acclaimed author with book covers so consistently bad.

>>17325899
> reading books by women
Anon...

Going to read Nine Princes of Amber again lads.

>>17319351
>>17319362
>>17322821
Can't believe it took retards like you that long to figure it out. I forced myself to finish the first mistborn book, it was generic and predictable as hell. Gave the first stormlight a try because it was apparently soooooo much better and his magnum opus. Read like a few chapters and bailed immediately. It was just as poorly written.

Here's a general tip for weeding out okay books from bad. Pay attention to the level of the prose. Prose is the main means by which the author communicates the story. If it's lacking, the story will be lacking as a result. If the prose has no depth, it will affect everything, from the depth of the characters and themes, to the dialogue and even plot.

And don't none of you retards try to insist you like his prose for its "simplicity" or "clarity" or something idiotic like that. Good prose is usually succinct and brief, with each word measured for maximum impact. Simple prose is exceedingly difficult to write well, and hack like that can't do it. If his prose was actually simple and clear, his drivel would take at least a third less of the page count. But he's such a hack that he will go on and on about the most obvious detail, often repeating the same notion, idea or detail not just with unnecessary words, but also sentences and even paragraphs, just so even the most dim-witted mouthbreather can't possibly misunderstand what a character is feeling or what plot detail is relevant at the time.

>>17326049
>But he's such a hack that he will go on and on about the most obvious detail, often repeating the same notion, idea or detail not just with unnecessary words, but also sentences and even paragraphs, just so even the most dim-witted mouthbreather can't possibly misunderstand what a character is feeling or what plot detail is relevant at the time.
But that's what makes him popular. I've seen people refer to Stormlight as a Western shounen manga in written form and that's exactly what it is - the overexplanation, the power levels, the thinly sketched, painfully artificial characters, it's all there.

It's not a bug, it's a feature. Sanderson makes a bank off writing Generic YA - Guy Version.

>>17325944
>Shallan uses a vpn

Not surprising desu

>>17325944
Please learn how to use MS paint before embarrassing yourself like that.

>>17326167
>>17326173
>those post times
u mad!

>>17318650
>>17321211
Haven't read anything after anathem which I loved. Is his latest one terrible?

>>17326310
>doesn’t even deny it
I accept your surrender

>>17322242
Those are my favorite kind of authors. At some point they snapped in one way or the other

I used to come around here more like 5 years ago, recently starting to read again and wanted to start with something light. What's the consensus here on the expanse books?

>>17325876
Thanks for the recommendation, anon. I've been wanting to try Bujold for a while, so might as well do it now.

>>17326332
Seveneves was only good for the trajectory calculations, the rest was formulaic and dull as hell. Not sure how it's possible to make the end of the world dull, but somehow Stephenson did it.

>>17326390
Yeah even anathem went weird in its last act. Went from cozy alt convent science place to wtf

>>17326377
>What's the consensus here on the expanse books?
That the show is better than the books

>>17323127
So still pretty bad ?

>>17323091
It's a badly written schlock that's good only at stringing along the reader with the promise of "epic" and then consistently failing to deliver.

>>17326377
Generic and mediocre. It seems to be written by people with no love or knowledge of sci-fi. Sci-fi they way non sci-fi people see it. Also there are many action scenes that add nothing and are clearly written for a visual medium rather then a book.

>>17318653
Yeah, having read Consider Phlebas, The Player of Games, Excession, and Look to Windward, I think Banks is boring, though he has a knack for pulling it together for the ending.

I liked Three Body Problem more, even though it has that one sequence in the second book where I cringed so hard that I skipped it (when the guy has full blown interactions with an imaginary perfect girlfriend), something that's never happened to me in any book.

>>17326353
>not even talking to your mortal enemy anymore
You really are sad. Especially this fiction about using a VPN yesterday to high five myself just to dunk on you when you retardedly call me out on it 12 hours later. Take your meds buddy ;^*

>>17321003
>>17321011
These are not funny.

>>17326673
I gave up on the TPB series after the second book. The prose and character writing is so bad it's unbelievable; probably the worst I've ever seen in professionally published fiction.

>>17326723
Oh, it is. But I guess I like world building that much. Later on, I read Star Maker, which I'm pretty sure is my favorite sci-fi.

>>17323473
>Bakker
>good
Kek

>>17326773
Tell us what’s good and I promise I won’t make fun of you.

Why would anyone ever read anything written by a mormon? Guaranteed autism.

>>17326927
Why? There are multiple Christian cults. What differentiates Mormons from the rest that’s so problematic for you?

>>17324229
In Nam your granpappy would cap a long satisfying day of burning gooks alive by railing out a syphilitic teenage hooker, calm your tits. Every dark thought you've ever had has been had by men generations before you. You're going to be just fine, he's probably just glad you didn't grow up a faggot.

>>17326940
Mormons aren't Christian. Ask any Mormon to confirm for you that Christ was the incarnation of God on Earth and that Christ's nature was both physical and divine. They cannot do it. They deny Christ every day. Mormonism is much closer to some radical sects of Shi'a Islam than it is to anything legitimately Christian.

>>17326968
>Mormons aren't Christian
retard

>>17326983
He's right, though. I don't know why they call themselves Christian, if you can't at the very least subscribe to the Nicene creed your beliefs aren't the same

As far as I can tell, no one has figured out how to depict a sranc. They're supposed to be inhumanly beautiful and to be ecstatic while battling or having their sex-murder-parties. I honestly can't visualize them myself.

>She was attractive, though. Well worth rutting … To do to her what they had done to that thing’s face. Yes, very attractive.
w-what did he mean by that?

Fuck E William Brown

>>17319348
I loved the audiobooks of Lies of Locke Lamora and sequels. Highly recommend.

>>17321011
>what do you see?

>>17327150
They’re basically bald feral elves. Second apocalypse doesn’t have a lot of art in general.

Old time Wolfe shill here, I haven't posted anything on /lit/ in around 3 years. Any new worthwhile author discoveries in the meantime?

>>17326983
They aren't theists. They don't believe in God at all. And by God I mean the being whose essence is existence, omnipotent, omniscient, uncreated, necessary and all the classical attributes.
>>17326927
Is Larry Correia a mormon? His Monster Hunter stuff is trashy, but somewhat entertaining- good for background noise when painting minis and his Son of the Black Sword is a readable fantasy with some interesting elements.

>>17327150
That's because "inhuman beauty" is a contradictory copout. I think Gene Wolfe did it for his hierodules, too, and I disliked it there as well. The human brain is wired to see human creatures as beautiful. Unless you're a furry or something, the pinnacle of beauty for a humanoid would be your own version of the perfect human. It's a bad approach to take because readers can't visualize anything based off of it. Obviously you can find beauty in other aspects than attractiveness, like maybe their violence could be "inhumanly beautiful," but when talking about the physical appearance of inhumans, it's no good.

Why did the Sandersoy surrender?

>>17327314
Did you ever check out Too Like the Lightning? The author is obviously trying to be Wolfe. I didn't like it much, but you might.

>>17327336
That's an interesting viewpoint. I always thought of Tolkien-esque elves as inhumanly beautiful though, which was handled well in the movies.

>>17327335
The term you're looking for is Judeo-Christian God.

>>17327421
It's an idiotic term, I'm certain not looking for it.

>>17327366
Only now first heard of it, outside being a memoir it sounds nothing like BotNS and is also written by a woman. It does not seem like something I'd enjoy at all, but thanks for the rec.

>>17327444
>It's an idiotic term, I'm certain not looking for it
>And by God I mean the being whose essence is existence, omnipotent, omniscient, uncreated, necessary and all the classical attributes.
The 'classical' God /is/ the Judeo-Christian God. You know, YHWH, the god of war from that desert tribe pantheon? Tough shit if you don't like it.

>>17327421
The Mormon conception of God is in line with Judeo-Islamic theology, not Christian theology. Mormons are not Christians.

1. Violent savages who shun civilization for their own desert community, where they are led by their sex-pervert prophet.
2. Believe Jesus was not the incarnation of God on earth but a prophet who was brought up into oneness with God.
3. Believe human souls are able to undergo apotheosis in the same way Jesus did.
4. When they do enter civilized society, infiltrate the state's security apparatus to inflict their malicious will upon the people.

Quick, am I talking about radical Shi'i or Mormons?

>>17327458
This is exactly why I didn't use the term. Theism is not a strictly religious position and it is not bound to Christianity (even if you cannot be a Christian who is not a theist) or (especially) modern version of Judaism (because some sects are not theistic at all, but continue to be Jewish).
Aristotle was neither a Jew nor a Christian and his philosophy was theistic, Islam is also theistic, it can also be attributed to certain Chinese religious and philosophical beliefs.

>>17326940
Mormons are the most retarded of all retarded Faiths

>>17322254
Man I love this edit.

>born too early to experience a secular civilization

>>17327505
>Theism is not a strictly religious position
lmfao

>le aristotle was le monotheist
read metaphysics chapter 12 you braindead ape

Did >>17320493 find the thread?

>>17327444
>sounds nothing like BotNS
The influence is obvious. Mysterious unreliable narrator in a future setting telling a story of how they became tangled up in some political intrigue. The setting struck me as a pisstake on SJW stuff, but for whatever reason it didn't grab me. Probably the woman thing.

>>17327559
>born just in time for bio warfare

>>17327650
I can definitely see the surface similarities, but this seems to be too focused on the creation of the setting, while New Sun works largely because of Wolfe adds a lot of depth to it with overarching theological implications.
Compared to that, a Wikipedia page that lists methodically all factions, does not lend itself to mistery.

>>17327753
Imagine turning that thing on the right into the perfect girl. Just there for your needs and will never cheat on you.

>>17327650
It's no pisstake, read her blog. She really is that insane.

>>17327868
you are gay

I know its not exactly /sffg/ but I read the first two books of The Dark Tower series and I fucking hate Susanna

>>17327981
If it looks female, I will fuck it.

for those of you reading Cradle, does Lindon ever have a romance with the sword bitch he picks up in the second half of the first book? or does he stay pure for his futuristic angel ayy lmao waifu?

>>17327336
>That's because "inhuman beauty" is a contradictory copout
What the hell am I reading? Humans, no matter how attractive or good looking, always have some small outward imperfection. A wrinkle, a slight asymmetry, some blemish on their skin, a weird facial expression, lack of well defined muscles, an unbalanced posture, whatever.
"Inhuman beauty" means absolute perfection, or Godly perfection, or otherworldly perfection. The adjective is supposed to make you think of beautiful awe inspiring things with a somewhat human resemblance, and not shit that looks nothing like a regular person, inhuman not in the sense of having 5 arms, 2 noses and a multicolored beard made of feathers and worms.
It already describes the Nonmen's features as well as the Sranc. Wolfe used statuesque in some place. Just think of the most beautiful statue you can imagine, how you'd feel looking at it, and boom, something even prettier than that would be 'inhumanly' beautiful.

If you can't shape the narrative to your own and demand accuracy, why the fuck would you be reading instead of, idk, watching a movie.

>>17327336
I think you're conflating beauty with attraction

>>17327340
I didn't surrender, and Sanderson is still the best modern fantasy writer in the world.

Cope.

Only my dreams are real.

>>17327978
I just feel like there's no way. I'm a progressive who agrees with most typical "SJW" points, but it's presented in such a way in TLTL that it can't be anything but a mockery. I think she's method acting.

>>17328181
Only my dreams are dreams

>>17328123
When you're describing body images, it's completely fair to do so.

>>17328026
they kiss in the latest book

>>17328186
How do you even present those views without making them look like a mockery?

>>17325575
takes this bad are why i still read this thread.

>>17325899
most of the time when someone asks for a female author recc on sci fi bujold comes up, i don't think she's underrated, she's one of the most well regarded female sci-fi authors out there.

>>17327978
God, I wish I were that rug.

>>17328281
The way she presents them just seems like an extension of the slippery slope argument conservatives have always used when talking about progressive ideas. It's presented as if there is no stopping point where the majority of moderates become comfortable, and society was dragged along by any progressive who picks up the rope, with no counter-pull from conservatives.

I checked her blog and I don't know, she has some recent posts about being compassionate to students and the disabled, which I guess isn't very conservative. But as a historian, her takes on history seem pretty redpilled, and it makes me more certain that she knew what she was doing. This post was pretty great. https://www.exurbe.com/black-death-covid-and-why-we-keep-telling-the-myth-of-a-renaissance-golden-age-and-bad-middle-ages/

>>17318535

Solaris at least the first 2/3 is one of the best fucking books i have ever read.

>>17328198
Really? When an asexual says that someone is beautiful they're implying attraction?

>>17328609
Yes. Attraction isn't inherently sexual. Ask an asexual, if you want to bring them into the conversation.

>>17328619
Fine, let's use another example. Every time a parent says their kids are beautiful they mean they find their kids attractive?

>>17328619
>>17328609
Also, to make your point look even more retarded, you can recognize that someone is sexually attractive without finding them sexually attractive. Like a straight man can say that peak Arnold is more beautiful than some 600 pound fucker, and it implies recognition of the fact that Arnold is more sexually attractive. Arguing that our brains aren't set up to associate the attractiveness of a human(oid) with their beauty is bullshit.

>>17328637
So explain to me what a parent means when they say that their newborn is beautiful? That is a really fuckable two week old? Beauty has standards beyond attraction. Many of the things women point to as beautiful have nothing to do with what men are attracted to.

>>17328631
Referring to one person in particular as beautiful, to you, for what they represent, is not the same as describing a fucking humanoid species as beautiful. Babies are goddamn ugly but you'd call each one beautiful if you knew its parents because you recognize its meaning to them. You're arguing total strawmen. There are better ways to go about describing beauty of bodies than saying "inhuman" and you won't change my mind about that with bullshit points.

>>17328667
>there are a billion examples of beauty being used to describe a facet other than attraction
>these are all strawmen tho
Ok retard

>>17328678
If you're going to argue in bad faith on 4chan do it on literally any other board. You're ignoring things I typed, I guess because you like Bakker and see it as an insult to him.

>>17318813
are you saying it was forced because he had to finish his outline for the book? Sorry am brianlet.

>>17319452
cradle SUCKS
The only reason people like it is other wuxia novels are so bad.

>>17328218
well I guess good on Wight for not having Lindon smitten with her from the beginning (though he was with angel lady??)
Either way, his sister was best girl and I don't plan on continuing the series

>>17328496
You missed the post below where she implies BLM was censored.

>>17328739
>The only reason people like it is other wuxia novels are so bad.
I liked Unsouled and I agree

>>17328719
I've literally never read a word of Bakker, you're just making a ridiculous argument that negates all usefulness of the word attraction and ignores a totally viable divide of meanings that legitimizes a phrase for no reason other than that it makes you mad to see it

>>17328008
yous a honkey muh-fuh, huh?

>>17326529
>>17326642
thanks thanks

tfw no thecla gf
why'd she have to die bros

i finished reading exhalation (2nd ted chiang collection); absolutely loved it, some of the best sci-fi writing i have encountered.

i've also read story of your life and hell is the absence of god from the first story collection; are the other stories in that collection worth reading too? a friend told me they weren't.

>>17328173
that says a lot more about modern fantasy writers

Bakker vs Sanderson:

Protagonist.
-Bakker protagonist is evil, doesn't have a real reason for doing what he is doing and it's a Gary Stu
-Sanderson protagonist is a sad boy who fights for the right thing despite his depression, and gets lectured about women, and respects them

1 point for sanderson

>>17328739
>>17328755
I never touched another wuxia novel, and so I have nothing else to judge it against.
Do you have any other baseless assumptions you want to try?

>>17328109
What I can't reconcile about the sranc is their behavior with their beauty. They basically behave like goblins I take it. I guess that makes me reflexively imagine them as something close to that. Even the few who have attempted depicting them do that. That pic is not inhumanly beautiful.

>>17328951
Bakker’s protagonist is Akka. Sanderbait at least put some effort in for your (You)

>>17328951
Kellhus is not a Gary Stu, no one wants to be him, unless maybe Bakker, which would be rather disturbing.

>>17326891
Definitely not some edgy self insert

>>17328932
Everyone of his stories with the exception of that dreadful NY times story is worth reading.

Once you are done with him, I also recommend Greg Egans short stories.

>>17328883
Because it was a part of the grand plan to bring about conditions which will create a new man who will create the hieros. Severian is a pawn as much as he is a free agent of God's Providence.

>>17328496
Sounds realistic and more interesting than I initially assumed

>Sandersoys seething

>>17325968
I love that damn book

>>17329079
>Imagine being filtered by Bakker's prose.

Pretty pathetic desu.

>>17325968
The first 5 novels are some better than the latter five. It's also a real shame Zelazny died before finishing the overarching story.

Are the Chronicles of Amber shit?

If so, why?

>>17323091
Clarke Ashton Smith
Gene Wolfe
R. E. Howard
Jack Vance
R. A. Lafferty

On the subject of Vance, why is Lyonesse never mentioned? Absolutely fantastic arthuriana, full of wonderful prose, fairy tale like plot, emotion and character.

>>17322543
That's not a fedora.

>>17329385
I didn't really care for them. Loved Lord of Light but you could tell he was really holding back and trying hard to make Amber marketable.

>>17328833

>>17328979
>I never touched another wuxia novel, and so I have nothing else to judge it against.
That doesn't invalidate what he said
>Do you have any other baseless assumptions you want to try?
I was the one who said he liked Cradle but its literally because its the pinnacle of chinkshit, as mediocre as it may be

>>17329079
Don’t tell me, you got triggered?

>>17329254
>projecting this hard
Tell me again how everyone who calls you retarded is just literally me.

To whoever anon recommended me this pile of shit in this general a few days ago: Fuck you.

I'm sure you were the author himself you gobshite fuck. If any anon in this general asks for a modern horror novel and you shill this trite, boring, amateurish first draft of a novel, I'll fly to the New Hampshire and end your crust-punk edgy life, you worthless, talentless, glib facsimile of an author. Never copy your lifejournal musings to a writing software ever again.

Fuck you, for writing easily one of the worst genre books, I've read in the last ten years and fuck you for having an oxygon producing tree die for it you handicapped shitter.

Even Palahniuk would make fun of you and that nigger is at least a BIT self-aware.

>>17329672
These are my favorite kinds of reviews.

>>17329489
Yes it does invalidate what he said. Because he essentially stated that experience with other wuxia novels make Cradle look good by comparison. He's making an argument about relative perception.
So I'm saying that I don't have such a perception that he thinks I do. Therefore, I can only judge Cradle based on its own merits.

And I lumped you in, because you agreed with him.

>>17329672
Wait a minute, Palahniuk is a pretty good writer.

>>17318535
thank you OP!
my brother has terrible taste in sci fi and the mega folder was perfect to find him lots of awful birthday books..
my amazon review: 5 star!!

>>17329940

Yes and he knows he is not good at prose and more of an "idea guy", but even Palahniuk would merciless dab on this Yaeger faggot for not being able to string together sentences to create plot or mood. Totally clearing the Portland whinery where some "read in to Protest the Alt-right" was held. Sending this Yaeger (it's Jaeger and not Yaeger, apply yourself) back to his bohemian "but totally real and scene, bro" overpriced hovel next to the traintracks.

You know what? Fuck you, too. You are probably him.

Just finished Rhythm of War.
R-RAYSE BROS????????

>>17321755
based

I like dwarfs. Like them in Hobbit and say what u want about Eragon but i like the dwarves there too. Are there any GOOD dwarf-atmosphere filled fantasy which is not pic related?

>>17330131
>new vessel who dis?

Black History Month is coming up I'll check this thread in an hour and I better see some recs for black science-fiction authors.
Or else.

>>17330068
Nope, but are you the Sanderson hater, the one that made post telling us how important prose is. Because you sound like him.

>>17330186
Is there anyone other than Octavia Butler?

Anyone else read Neuromancer? I just started that and it's pretty good so far

>>17330186
Still 2 weeks though. I'm planning to do a themed Black History Month read though. I already have various books picked out.

>>17330248
> has anyone ever read one of the most popular sci-fi novels ever?

Sandersonbros...
When Odium stole Wit’s memories, was it just of that moment? Or did he steal others as well?

>>17329395
>why is Lyonesse never mentioned?
I shill it all the time

>>17330248
How are you posting in /sffg/ having not read neuromancer, I'm pretty sure you can read it for free (like Blindsight).

>>17322115
Awake in the Night Land is very, very good.

>>17330131
Seeing Wit get fucking rofflestomped literally made the book for me.

Anyone else read Laird Barron? I loved all his short fiction, not really a fan of his mystery novels.

He nails the HP Lovecraft tone better than most.

start a new thread already silly lads

>>17330397
Only a tiny percentage of people read more than a thread a week, probably less, and only a tiny percentage of that read every post, and finally only a tiny percentage of that remember what and how often something is posted. You could post it once every thread for a year and still have most never notice.

>>17330545
It's amazing what he does with the setting. He manages to answer all the right questions one might have asked themselves after reading Nightland. At the same time he manages to create such a nightmare scenario without the use of gore or anything disgusting. The whole nightmarish scenario stands in such contrast to the heroism and love on display. Fuck me did the stories get me.

>>17330149
kek
>>17330333
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/452-youtube-livestream-23/#e14524
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/452-youtube-livestream-23/#e14516
>>17330567
Same. Seeing my favorite donut OC Taravangian 9001 epicly pwn a full Shard was the highlight of the book.

>>17329672
You brought it upon yourself. I was tempted to check it out after a recommendation here, but that shit immediately put me off. Sounds like some /x/ shit.

I think one of the biggest pros of Sanderson is that he may be the only current fantasy writer with a massive online community, that's able to discuss the series constantly and find new theories out.
GRRM used to have that, sucks he won't hurry shit up

>>17330584
Now's your chance, anon. You can be the hero the thread needs.

Despite being .0000001% of the population the Affront make up 53% of the galactic cases of rape, murder, cybermurder, torture, super torture, and theft.

>>17330852
It would be great if you would engage with them instead of making every thread the same Bakker vs sanderson conflict

>>17330933
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>>17330933
This complaint is hilarious with the bakkerfags apparently awol and just the same schizoid going on about shit he hates.

>>17330933
But that’s not me anon
I finished RoW today :( haven’t been here since October

New thread:
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>>17330714
How Teravangian actually got there was cringe, but Wit is the ultimate Donut Steel himself, so seeing him get pwned was fun. I liked it.