/lit/ - Literature

>>17309217
Read a classic of one of your 'enemies.'

>>17309217
>deradicalize

Fixed

>>17309221
But truly read it. Don't do some bs reading. You should understand.

>>17309217
Don't be a faggot.
You should neck yourself if you want to be a normie leftist.

>>17309229
>wants to not say "nigger" so much
>"what are you some kind of leftie or somefin"

>>17309229
I think the idea is not being a /pol/tard and maybe being something like just /pol/itzen or whatever.

>>17309217
>he thinks this is radicalized
So far yet to go

literally just go out and talk to people

>>17309256
KEK unironically don't do this. Most people don't think, anon. Read books, the books those people are supposed to have read.

>>17309236
just dont say nigger wtf are you talking about

>>17309236
So you want to hide your power level.
Don't read anything written after 1950 and you will be ok.

>>17309265
that's the point you think everybody is fucking stupid when you don't even make an effort to know anything about them it may surprise you but other people actually have thoughts and a consciousness too

>>17309307
Shut the fuck up nerd.

>>17309307
They do, but Socrates, anon. Most people just hold their 'beliefs' based on what it seems right. Nothing wrong with that, but when it comes to talking about them, they can't say much. That is why they bother listening to more educated people who hold the same beliefs on the first place. They don't actually know why they believe on what they believe, although it does seem right to them. Does that make sense?

>>17309325
>Most people just hold their 'beliefs' based on what it seems right.
How do I actually get past this? All of my beliefs are based ultimately on what feels "right". Even if I'm able to provide some explanation for a specific belief I hold, that can only result in the same problem but at higher and higher levels, ad infinitum, the solutions to which will be equally as grounded in inexplicable belief.

The bible
The teachings of Christ specifically
I'm not joking

Read Murakami to begin respecting women and understanding the objective value of human life. Start with the Wind-up Bird.

>>17309408
>>17309221
>>17309265

Read this.

>>17309408
Unironically read Nietzsche and most specifically "On the Genealogy of Morality"

To understand the mind of an enlightened black, read Frantz Fanon or Wole S o y inka
To understand the mind of a woman, read Jane Eyre.
To understand the gays, go out and make friends.

>>17309421
>>17309438
Awful advice desu.

>>17309217
Unironically Mosley and Gaddafi. Most people are your friends, there's a very small group that genuinely are enemies of humanity.

>>17309217
don't worry about the -isms, worry about meaning.
race is real, women are dumb, yes.
but taking pride in anything is actually gay, and retarded
you right for your gay retard ideological bullshit because you are too weak and Gay to handle nihilism. but you must
cioran was a fascist, then he became less gay. he does write about it. but you are probably too stupid to understand his writing.
for retard like you, you might benefit from Denial Of Death which is a dumb psychology with small words for you. you small man with your small brain. cranial capacity directly correlates with g factor

>>17309442
Oh? Fanon worked for me.

>>17309217
Read something by Noam Chomsky or Steven Pinker. Then read or watch commentary and criticism of their work. Keep an open mind. Don't worry about being radicalized, worry about figuring out the truth.

>>17309217
read Evola, is the only good step forward aftet /pol/

Read about Zoroastrianism and its salvation history. Then realize that Hitler did little more than swap ‘Ahura Mazda’ for ‘Germany’ and ‘Angra Mainyu’ for ‘the Jews’.

If that doesn’t work, read Steven Hassan’s books on cults

>>17309217
First you must recognize that these beliefs stem from an inferiority complex. The only people who truly hate others are those who deep down hate themselves.

Just read classic literature you retard. Pretty much every author was much more forward thinking than the societal norms that constrained them.
Except when it comes to the jews for some reason. It seems no one except maube Shakespeare has had anything good to say about the jews

>>17309417
This. Theres a way around the degeneracy of our modern world that is through love rather than hate, brother.

>>17309217
You took the redpill and now you can't go back. You will always notice these things but you can stop being angry by not going on /pol/

>>17309570
That's nonsense

>>17309217
>racist
Just accept the biological human differences but don’t go full retard
>sexist
Think about it this, you don’t get really angry at animals for doing their business even if seemingly cruel, right? You accept their nature, move on and use it as precaution. We don’t waste your time getting angry at viruses themselves, we seek cures and prevention/precaution methods.
>homophobic
Recognize that the current movement is not in a good state, but that the group of people who fall under that sexual category is very large. There are virtuous masculine men who fall into this category. Tru to look for a neutrality that keeps them well integrated in society, and be open-minded but also not so much that you are a passive fickle sheep.

>>17309217
Hi, Joan. Still pushing the "radicalization" nonsense I see.

>>17309217
Adam Smith wealth of nations unironically. Because you'll understand all this is not about identity, it's about money.

>>17309217
Ultimate redpill is that you can't go back, you can only refine your ideas. Try to avoid becoming a wignat and make sure you read as much as possible. There's no going back, unfortunately. Also avoid letting your uncomfortable reality consumer you. Yes we're living in hell, yes there are people much more intelligent and powerful than you trying to systematically destroy you, your family, your culture, your history, and your way of life- but that doesn't mean you need to live in anger. Enjoy the little things as much as you can and keep your head up, bud.

>>17309217
Unironically read a comfy history book on medieval al-Andalus and their interactions with the Christians and Jews which was actually quite nuanced. From then on, become an educated /his/torian refuting """arguments"""" from the containment board.

>>17309217
unironically spanish literature, massive bonus points because you won't become a liberal cuck

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xebz6-3IInE

Party at a gay club that caters to a mixed race crowd in an urban area.

>>17309417
this

>>17309915
Best post here

>>17309217
Just read something that's still conservative, but not radical or stupid.
Roger Scruton or Theodore Dalrymple, for instance.
You won't become a leftist just by reading a book. You have instincts that tell you otherwise, so search for a statement of the values you believe in, but which is free from superficial judgement and bigotry.

t. not a conservative

>>17309620
This is good advice.

>>17309221
>Read a classic of one of your 'enemies.'
Our enemies take their worldview from Netflix.

Reading old lefties, will just get you a lot of racism, sexism, homophobia but now its a 20's communist or a 70's hippie.

>>17309217
Pssst, I heard you were interested for a version of white identitrianism that avoids the excesses of white nationalism

>>17309217

Serious answer here

Step 1: Become acquainted with basics of liberal political canon, ancient and modern. Something like Will Kymlicka's Introduction to Political Philosophy should help immensely here, then work your way up from the canon to Rawls' Political Liberalism and Kymlicka's Multicultural Citizenship.

Step 2: Become acquainted with basics of modern social scientific research on politicized social constructions like race, gender, national identity and so on. Check out Yale's University Field Readings Lists for Political Science graduates for specific questions, but I'd say to work your way up to Anderson's Imagined Community, Graves' The Emperor’s New Clothes and West's and Zimmerman's Doing Gender

Knowing both the philosophical incomprehensiveness of far-right ideology and its lack of scientific validity should de-radicalize you in a jiffy.

>>17309217
Pssst, I heard you were interested for a version of white identitarianism that avoids the excesses of white nationalism

>>17310087
>Kymlicka's Multicultural Citizenship
>Become acquainted with basics of modern social scientific research on politicized social constructions like race, gender
Slow down there comrade, we don't need to make him from far right extremist to full on leftlib

>>17309217
>homophobic
And?

>>17310116
Kymlicka is pretty much a liberal nationalist sympathetic to regional nationalist movements and research I outlined here does not draw from very left-leaning scholars like gender studies, feminist theory, poststructuralism and so on. If yo just stay within the bounds of mainstream sociology and political science it's pretty easy to maintain even reasonably right-wing views on many issues.

Carl Schmidt?

>deradicalize
From what you described about yourself, I think the word you’re looking for is not “deradicalize” but rather “brainwash”

>>17310092
Can anyone else confirm? Looks interesting but I kind of distrust it.

Understand that you are not a radical. You simply have been branded as one

>>17310136
Do you suspect it to be too moderate or too radical?

>>17310140
The former, as it's written by a Canadian Political Science University professor.

>>17310092
Does anyone have a kindle file they'd generously upload to zlibrary?

Studying Marxism and postmodernism made me hate niggers, faggots and women even more so. Because I learned how irrelevant their social agenda is and how constructed it truly is. I in fact learned to hate blacks more by the study of black philosophy and literature.

>>17309217
Watch debates between righties and leftcucks. The latter usually win. Though if you want to be deradicalized you're probably not that bad.

>>17310176
>black philosophy and literature
Examples? I don't even know where I'd start with this.

>>17310155
Well he basically thinks it legitimate to limit immigration to maintain the ethnic composition of a country. He argues for a kind of white identitarianism in the framework of liberal democracy as an alternative to the ethnostate proposal.

>>17310196
Does he put forward any actionable plans?

>>17310184
It’s a rough ride, it took a lot and I mean a lot to find any blacks who were actually doing philosophy. The most fertile ground is basically just proverb collections and wiseman sayings of various influential tribesman from Africa. Other than that it’s almost entirely race and politics based philosophers. W. E. B. Du Bois Would be an example of a more western style. But you’re honestly going to find more unique material in stuff related to yoruba for example. Toni Morrison is an offbrand Faulkner if you’re interested in that kind of thing.

>>17310202
Well as I said in terms of policy he talks about certain kinds of immigration reforms. But his main focus is to normalize talk about white interests as something that isn't necessarily tied to far right ideas. I guess he was moderately successful since plenty of mainstream right figures have no problem associating with him, while they avoid far right figures like the plague.

>>17310182
Delusional

>>17310244
Interesting, ty

>>17309217
Realistically you should take your racist, sexists, homophobic beliefs and deeply analyze them. Are the empirical basis for your beliefs sound, or do you want them to be. If they are, then are your conclusions sound?

There's also a ton of video essayist on youtube that tackles these topics pretty well that might appeal to your goals. Philosophy Tube and Contrapoints are pretty great.

Lastly actually talk with people outside of the internet, especially people outside of your own demographic. And for the love of god get off /pol/. There's no reason to shitpost there past the age of 17.

>>17309217
Read japanese light novels and stop thinking.

>>17309217

All roads lead to Rome anon.

>>17309915
Good post.

>Try to avoid becoming a wignat and make sure you read as much as possible.
This. Don't fall into the trap of thinking "well I'm an x now, that means I have to act like a crazy x on the internet." Why not learn lots more about it instead? Why not become a beacon of understanding so that others can seek it out and penetrate beyond the stereotypes too?

Be strong and resist pic related. Antifa is a bunch of drug addicts and sex perverts being poked by feds (who probably make up 30% of it) to burn down nice old bookstores. Do you really want to be like antifa, just with a different hat on?

>>17310365
>because MSM ree'd about a drug addict dying
SEETHING RN BROS

>>17309217
>unradicalize
Why do that when you can "intellectualize" your /pol/tardness?
We can teach you how to do that

>>17310365
>>17310387
it hurts bros, the media gets away with everything.

No book will help you understand the necessity of introspection and how to escape propaganda and tribalism to avoid being used by others for beliefs that aren't yours.
You don't know who you are but you feel the need to belong somewhere, that's your problem, that's everyone's problem at the end of the day, and there's no single answer to that, in that sense just reading is enough, but you gotta read like your life depends on it, get out of your comfort zone, ideally learning new languages too.

We all ultimately identify ourselves in relation to others, Eco once said that we go to debates and the likes not to understand others but to understand what we ourselves think, that cannot happen without introspection and the courage needed to be sincere to yourself in the first place.
Avoid the tribalistic attitude of finding enemies as a way to build yourself an identity, realize all of the things you mentioned are part of our nature and that there's no good reason to just blindly accept them just because everyone, no matter the time or place, has a bit of all of those, if you want, you can go beyond them.
Or maybe you simply need love, Occam's razor is still very sharp.

You need to go deep to understand the causes anon, it’s a very long journey, so I wish you good luck.

>>17310387
>>17310407
They would't be ree'ing so much if they were winning. Everybody hates them at a gut level. Even the leftists are aware they're being abandoned by their own politicians. The real ones, the thought leaders capable of calling others out for inauthenticity and shifting the discourse, are getting mad at the same things the right is mad at.

We can still lose but don't feel hopeless. They want you to feel like they control the whole pyramid all the way up and down. They don't control shit, they have extremely brittle control systems that are built to "fit" and control discourse circa the 1990s. They got arrogant. They're also internally divided and drinking their own koolaid. The people they have to rely on to disseminate propaganda and crack the whip when necessary are all drug-addicted unstable narcissists. They are in panic mode because they know the oppression machine is causing 5 points of anger for every 1 point of oppression it doles out.

Pic related sums it up.

>>17309467
Cute, but this doesn't even warrant a response.

Read the western canon by starting with the Greeks

>>17310465
did you see the pictures of the politicians crawling on the floor? im not even american but that gave me the tingles. just imagine how much blood they have on their hands for all their escapades in the middle-east, and how they grovel in fear the moment they are threatened by the ones they are supposed to represent.

>>17310427
It’s as deep as the money and power.
The MIC, the State Department and Pentagon are making the most money and are ruling the country, (not some middle eastern state) and both “sides” are different flavors of liberalism. The feds play the masses off of each other’s differences and relax as the class warfare whittles the whole country away.

Antifa, masked bozos or masked agent provocateurs? Doesn’t matter. Fascism is just another shade of corporatism. There’s censorship of the far right and the far left. The dichotomy is clearly imaginary but if authoritarianism is what we have and authoritarianism is what you want, yeah it is time to reassess your life goals and the way you regard your fellow lower classes. We’re all being played for the fools we are

(Tired of this shit and hungry, so a lousy post. What else is new)

>>17309580
>for some reason
Don't be facetious anon

>>17310182
>Watch debates between righties and leftcucks. The latter usually win.
In other words, you think the exact opposite.

>>17310589
The reason is simple. They’re Christians

>>17310611
>The reason is simple. They’re Christians
If thats the case, why are the biggest group critical of Jews leftwing atheists?

>>17309217
There is no hope.
I started reading reading The Culture of Critique and I'm mesmerized. I can only become more radicalized, not less.

When I received the package with the book I noticed the package was opened beforehand. This has never happened before and I assume I'm on some watch list and now, this too further radicalized me.

just go interact with white people and your illusions will disappear.

>>17309509
>Steven Pinker
Come on, the man is a joke.
Chomsky is good though

>>17309217
>trying to take the bluepill
I've been there. Tried, didn't work, made me more miserable. Just accept you've seen the ugliness of the world beneath the sleek venear the left try to push.

All you can do now is just keep going. The more you learn about the world, ironically the less radical you will become.

>>17309417
>>17309587
>>17309946
((()))

>>17310641
>I get dressed in the morning: I'm radicalized
>I take a shower: I'm radicalized
>I go for a walk: I'm radicalized
>I leave my house: I'm radicalized
>I stay at home all day: I'm radicalized
>I look at my White, beautiful sisters: I'm radicalized

You can't go back to being a normie, you can only go forward into something new. You must now eat your way through to the other side with self-improvement, further understanding of the world, and calming yourself down now that you know the entire world is built on lies. Good luck.

>>17310324
>philosophy tube and contrapoints are good

>>17310696
It will never end

>>17309217
coward

>>17309217
anon there’s nothing radical about those characteristics

>>17309217
>racist, sexist, homophobic
This is the default state for any healthy male cross culturally, always has been and always will be.
Only through years of brainwashing can a male begin to think otherwise.

>>17309217
Just use tiktok and train the algorithm to give you left political content. Literally the most entertaining and information-dense method of education.

>>17309217
That's normal. Read the greeks.

>>17310632
We were talking about historical European prejudices.
Leftists, as in socialist leaning sorts? For myself, I am antitheist, antistate, two things dear to them. But a lot of jews feel the same as I do

>>17310786
Jews are only antitheist for other religions, even an atheist jew will stay in their community for the nepotism.

>>17310811
Stop being stupid

>>17310786
>We were talking about historical European prejudices.
>Leftists, as in socialist leaning sorts? For myself, I am antitheist, antistate, two things dear to them. But a lot of jews feel the same as I do

Prejudice does not exist, its an abstract and meaningless term to hide concrete facts.

In this case te term prejudice can be used to hide for example Jewish involvement in usury.

>I am antitheist, antistate, two things dear to them. But a lot of jews feel the same as I do
Another bunch of vague and meaningless terms, you are neither anti nor protheist or anti nor prostate, because those are meaningless abstractions without any real life meaning.

In truth, you will take whatever opinion benefits your in-group and call it antitheism, antistate.

>>17310826
The majority of American jews identify as non-religious or atheist and yet they still identify as Jewish.

>>17310826
shut the fuck up tranny

>>17310838
If you use these concrete perceptions in application to to entire groups of people as universals, you are pre-judging a person. Persecuting one for what you’ve heard the whole group is guilty of.

Fuck the rest of your post and the rest of your life.
Stop being stupid.

>>17310842
Because it is an ethnicity besides a religion

>>17310871
>you are something that you are not
>there. I feel better about myself now that I pretend you are lower than me
Stupid coward.

>>17309417
I can't count the number of times I've seen "christians" on this board preaching the word and then going "fuck nigs btw lmao"

>>17310653
right. every time i hear some white flyover chud on the internet talking about how college is a scam and that banks want to enslave you buy giving you a mortgage to buy a house or whatever, i just laugh when in the next breath they bitch about their share of the national wealth declining. you contribute nothing, why would you have any share of it?

>>17309217
Step one comes from within. It comes from realizing that fighting all the time doesn't actually solve things like modern media is trying to brainwash you into thinking. I'm talking specifically about all the headlines that say "peaceful protesting is great, but radicalism is what brings about real change."
The only effects fighting and radical perspectives have is that they change the landscape of fighting and radicalism.
You'll have to get away from radical perspectives and stay away. This requires convincing yourself that you don't actually want to see them (and you actually don't).
Once you're calm then you read literature from the other side of the aisle.
I'm reading White Fragility and it is absolutely awful. But reading it gives me the following important pieces of knowledge:
>how the other side thinks and reasons
>that the other side does truly want to help people
So I recommend white fragility after a cooling-off session. Not because it's good, but because with the right perspective you're able to attach the book to an assumption of humanity, instead of assuming the poorly constructed arguments are necessarily inhuman.
Also Calvin and Hobbes for the cooling off part

>>17310877
>it is an ethnicity
Haha, sure.
Not in any meaningful sense though. They are more diverse than Europeans and Ashkenazi cluster with Sicilians; Ethiopian jews, Yemenite jews and Mizrahi certainly don't.

If other ethnicities were judges by the same criteria we could safely say all genocides in history has been self inflicted and committed on and by the very same people.

This thread is fucking awful. OP was bait, as seen by the fact that OP never responded to anyone, never provided detail on their ideological specifics, and never engaged with anyone. Even if it was real, it wasn't in good faith. This entire threads purpose was for anons to post outside their containment board and attempt to redpill more people as everything outside their narrow scope of the world is (((cringe-onions-cuck-blue-pill))). Also the wonderful fact that all the replies aren't really even a discussion of the process of radicalization, just a constant refutation of NO U. It's absurd. Why does everyone just talk past each other? Why does everyone think their opinion is more important than participation in a discussion? This is why I stick to DFW threads.

>>17310911

“Be radical, have principles, be absolute, be that which the bourgeoisie calls an extremist: give yourself without counting or calculating, don't accept what they call ‘the reality of life' and act in such a way that you won't be accepted by that kind of ‘life', never abandon the principle of struggle.”

― Julius Evola

>>17310935
>This thread is fucking awful. OP was bait, as seen by the fact that OP never responded to anyone, never provided detail on their ideological specifics, and never engaged with anyone. Even if it was real, it wasn't in good faith. This entire threads purpose was for anons to post outside their containment board and attempt to redpill more people as everything outside their narrow scope of the world is (((cringe-onions-cuck-blue-pill))). Also the wonderful fact that all the replies aren't really even a discussion of the process of radicalization, just a constant refutation of NO U. It's absurd. Why does everyone just talk past each other? Why does everyone think their opinion is more important than participation in a discussion?
based
>This is why I stick to DFW threads.
man

>>17309217
I’m an ex /pol/tard. I was racist and unnecessarily edgy from 15-18. I was going through all sorts of personal issues too which didn’t help. But I changed as I matured and read/studied the books of “the other side” and realized that this whole time I was basically brainwashed by a bunch of moronic, uneducated boomers who probably can’t even define classical liberalism without a dictionary. You need to just open up your mind a bit and educate yourself. Give things a real chance or else you will be stuck in a bubble of ignorance and miss out on the joys of life. Ever since I left that pathetic groupthink behind my life has been happier. Things are not perfect but I have no regrets on leaving those hateful views behind. People are people and more often than not, those who you hate are victim to circumstances that would fuck us up too if we were in their shoes. You don’t need to be a lovey dovey hippie but just having that ability to empathize and put yourself in the shoes of another is very valuable and conducive to living in a civilized society. Good on you for taking the first step to bettering yourself. It takes guts to admit you might be wrong and give change a chance. Cheers OP.

Get some taste.

>>17310935
Take your meds you low IQ faggot

>>17310978
>>17310948
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Neither of these replies give any sort of legitimate response to the things I said. They are just gut reactions to it. It's a "GRUG LIKE, GRUG NO LIKE" kind of response. Step up your game, guys. I don't fucking get it. Is the low quality of /lit/ because of covid or because of phoneposting or just that 4chan has been in a constant state of downhill for the past 15 years?

>>17310877
>If you use these concrete perceptions in application to to entire groups of people as universals, you are pre-judging a person. Persecuting one for what you’ve heard the whole group is guilty of.

Also Jew!

>We were talking about historical European prejudices.

>The reason is simple. They’re Christians

Again, all this moralizing, all these academic abstractions are all just a veil to cloak ones true intentions.

Which is, get us Jews ahead of the goyim.

This:

>Fuck the rest of your post and the rest of your life.

Is a more true expression of what he believes, extreme hatred for those not part of the in-group.

>>17310946
>“Be radical, have principles, be absolute, be that which the bourgeoisie calls an extremist: give yourself without counting or calculating, don't accept what they call ‘the reality of life' and act in such a way that you won't be accepted by that kind of ‘life', never abandon the principle of struggle.”
― Julius Evola
>kek
Lao Tzu

>>17310963
>realized that this whole time I was basically brainwashed by a bunch of moronic, uneducated boomers

You never seriously read any books on the rightwing side of philosophy and literature, you just went from edgy into comformist.

>>17311010
You have never taken anything seriously, have you?

>>17311015
This post is awful because you didn't give him ANY suggestions. You just wanted to take the anon that took effort to post down a peg. You reddit space at him and you tell him to read things without any suggestions, but you knew that you weren't actually wanting to help him or provide him information, you just wanted to couch the last statement of your post in a veil of attempted "good faith."

>>17311027
He couldn't give any suggestions because there isn't really any good rightwing philosophy or literature.

>>17311027
not him but i would recommend two books, central banking and the enslavement of mankind and the creature from jekyll island.

>>17311027
>You just wanted to take the anon that took effort to post down a peg.
Yes!

Wut, you expected me to be some moralfag?

>>17311036
>He couldn't give any suggestions because there isn't really any good rightwing philosophy or literature.
Prove it, go ahead, post the three books of rightwing literature you think are the best. Prove to use you know what you are talking about.

>>17311042
>banking conspiracy theories

something the left and right can both agree on! no, but seriously, this site sucks and most of you are chuds

>>17309969
>Netflix
those don't write books. read a classical left book, it's not the same thing

>>17310754
I can believe that I share a board with a retard like you.

>>17311057
no u

>>17311058
>chuds
Back to r.eddit.

>>17311058
have you read them?

>>17311058
Please don't come back kike

>>17310946
I love this quote of his. His essay 11 Points of Orientation is also good.
https://www.gornahoor.net/?p=4428

You have to click to a new page for each new point.

>>17311027
I'm not the one you responded to, but I need to respond.
It's your post who is the bad one and is not helping the thread at all.

It's clear the person who claimed he was a racist for a few teenage years was just following a group to fit in, just like emo or punk culture or what have you and that he was not even trying to understand the issues which lead educated and intelligent people to far right views that will banish them from mainstream society if their views get known.
The radicalization almost always only goes one way.

Anyway since the post only tried to say this there was no reason from him to recommend a book or whatever.

>>17311036
While I agree with this mostly, I did enjoy Sun and Steel. But I'd assume that's more my fascination with working out than with the more esoteric philosophical ideas about culture conformity.
>>17311042
Could you try to sell me these two books without all the blame being shifted to (((them)))?
>>17311045
Dude, why do you have to be the way you are?

>>17311022
I was a radicalized /pol/ user for a while

>>17311076
>central banking and the enslavement of mankind

it's either some silly second rate marxist drivel or some kind of anti-semitic ravings, not reading it, lol

>>17310935
Of you weren’t retarded, you would realize that most anons are agreeing with each other here, and supporting each other.

>>17311088
And I'd agree with you if I thought that the anon was posting in good faith and that I was the one being an asshole, but as we see by >>17311045 we know that not to be true, and now you are defending someone with a feign sense of sincere posting while not actually being sincere in your posting, or, in the alternative, you are being sincere in defending an anon who is shitposting, which is, I suppose, a strange use of your time?

>>17311015
You’re wrong and making a pretty baseless assumption.

>>17311089
the creature from jekyll island does not mention the jewish people once( i assume that is what you mean by (((them))) ) but the central banking one does mention them but its because they have had the only religion which have allowed usury against gentiles. and try and get away from the left right dichotomy since it is simple theatrics to lure people into different camps where they can never unite.

>>17309221
Do not do this. This only puts you deeper in the hole and you'll be crazy about class relations in addition to being racist.

>>17309217
Read Plato then the Bible (or your respective religion).
Romans 3:13 is a good verse that mimics the socratic method (simply do good and good will come).

>>17311101
>>17311133

>>17311107
>Of you weren’t retarded
lol
>you would realize that most anons are agreeing with each other here, and supporting each other.
The problem with this is that you are generalizing. The use of the word "most" is, at this point, just a disguise you get to use to cover your ears and go "la la la la" to all the other ideas in the thread without seeing exactly who is replying to whom and what ideas are expressed in what way and to see that "most" of the posts in this thread are directly in response to OP without the context or information provided in the other posts. No communal building of ideas for those that you say "are agreeing with each other." So no, I think that's bullshit and you and I have been reading two very different threads.

>>17309217
Very Jewish post. Stop larping as a poltard. Poltards don't question their beliefs.

>>17311133
Oh nice. I just started reading 5000 years of debt and they mention the usury issue regarding the moral handling of debt and control. Neat stuff. Thank you for the recs, I'll put them on the now very long list lol.

find one coloured author who doesn't hate white people
find one female author who doesn't hate men
find one gay author who doesn't hate straights

read books, any history book or even any kind of book. they will give you a perspective of the world outside what you have now

>>17311161
If you're op you're fucked lol

Read C.S. Lewis

>>17311060
>those don't write books. read a classical left book, it's not the same thing
There is no such thing, thats all rightwing lit, it became rightwing lit the moment political correctness took over, now they are all racist, sexist White males.

>>17311065
Lol, well proves you know nothing.

>>17311100
>I was a radicalized /pol/ user for a while
No you werent, if you where you would not back down.

>>17311131
>You’re wrong and making a pretty baseless assumption.
Then prove me wrong.

>>17311167
Do not do this. Generally the Redhill is analytic not emotional although the analytic breeds the emotional.

>>17311169
Do not do this. He already has a way of interpreting history, giving him more history books doesn't change his historicism.


Fuck I'd never let y'all be my psychologist or anything. These are horrific suggestions

>>17311057
Do you need Book to be explicitly right or left wing? Even the works of explicitly left leaning Postmodern or Marxist writers can be viewed through a right wing lense.

Anyway here are four books you should read, none of them are explicitly right wing.

Leviathan
Culture of Critique
The Prince
On Duties

>>17311174
I'm not OP. I just like it when the literature board is used to share book recs instead of being a spill over for containment boards.

>>17309217
btw, a serious question to all people claiming not to be radicalized /pol/ anymore.

Why would you want to go back, what reason did you have, outside of "the mainstream be hatin me"

I mean, do you enjoy agressive blacks, hispanics and muslim youth destroying out White inner cities.

What would be point in caring for groups of people, foreigners or leftists, who dont care about you and your heritage.

There is absolutely no argument to become a normie, except for social reasons, which then get covered in cheap moral talk.

>>17311027
hello newfriend

>>17311178
>it became rw when-
>>17311169
See? Do you get it? It's obvious to anyone who actually has been through this.

>>17311193
>Leviathan
>Culture of Critique
>The Prince
Read them all.

>>17311193
>On Duties
By which writer.

>>17311208
I promise I’ve been here longer than you.

>>17311213
>>it became rw when-
Wuts the matter, nothing else to say?

I mean, please explain how White leftwing males with archaic ideas about sex, gender, race or social class could fit into the modern left?

>>17311146
This site is not for you, just get the fuck out.

>>17311204
Yes well don't comment if you have no idea wth you're talking about. This became a bunch of political retards shilling nonsense mostly. The most any of this would do is make you hate class in addition to everything else or just dig you deeper into your racial historicism.

>>17309217
>unradicalize myself
kys fag

>>17311117
He is posting like that because it's clear you are a joke as person, have a weak personality and will because of it never convince anyone of anything, if you can even get anyone to listen to you. It shows through the way you write.
He can't take you seriously and you either can I.

Conservatives and right winger have on average a more developed disgust response. It is likely he is disgusted by you and that is another contributing factor to the way he acts.

>>17311205
You can't solve any issues in being pol with politics. It only exacerbates the issues

>>17311178
>There is no such thing, thats all rightwing lit, that's retarded, they are very distinct perspectives
>the moment political correctness took over, now they are all racist, sexist White males.
/pol/ and its obsession with political correctness is part of the problem, the world is the way it is today because identity politics is all that is discussed, including there

>>17311224
Go back faggot.

>>17311161
if you are an avid reader i would not recommend the central banking book as much but the creature from jekyll island book is a real eye opener and is very well done.

>>17311228
Your reading comprehension is poor but yes the world isn't all about race and even if everyone was a diehard x-culture nazi, it wouldn't solve anything. Race isn't biological. They can't even develop racial biological diseases against each other.

>>17311218
Cicero

>>17310963
Holy shit it's literally me, age range spot on too. What were your personal issues anon?

Beware of central banking schizos, they generally don’t understand how the banking system works and they can’t really explain why usury is evil.

>>17311241
>It only exacerbates the issues
Exarbates what issues?

>>17311242
>/pol/ and its obsession with political correctness is part of the problem, the world is the way it is today because identity politics is all that is discussed, including there
In other words, you want the left to return to around the 70's or earlier, when it was still primarily about class struggly, sexual liberation, new avenues to explore art, etc

Congratulations, you are now a conservative.

Foucault (for example) will just end up being added to the canon list of some conservative and understood historically. You cant stop this.

Thats why the right will always win, it just absorbs everything counter-culture until whats left is crass pc capitalism, under a red banner. lol

>>17311192
>Do not do this. He already has a way of interpreting history,
if that doesn't work nothing will.
>giving him more history books doesn't change his historicism.
why not?

>>17311247
>Race isn't biological
exblain

>>17311175
Not this guy but abolition of man is spectacular

>>17311229
Oh, I'm sorry I've been coopting your culture for 15 years now. Where am I supposed to go when you kick me out of my home?
>>17311230
I'll give my poorly researched, god awful, sincere opinion on whatever I damn well please, anon. I already hate class and power dynamics, so it's really no skin off my back, but I appreciate you looking out for me.
>>17311239
Pulling out the Jordan Peterson facts now? That brings me back. I appreciate the sincere disgust and distain you have for my writing style. It's so nice when people are articulate with their emotional volatility.
>>17311246
Eye opener in what way, exactly? What secret does it expose me to?

>>17311247
>Your reading comprehension is poor
You literally wrote a garbled sentence.

>it became rw when-

Do you think this is you saying anything meaningful? Why do you lie?

>>17311247
>diehard x-culture nazi
Not understanding what we stand for.

>Race isn't biological.
Just a statement you make up without backing it up with anything.

>They can't even develop racial biological diseases against each other.
How would you know what is happening in secret labs?

You just make things up as you go.

>>17311297
peak faggotry, consider never posting here again

>>17311247
>Race isn't biological.
What do you mean by this?

1. Are you saying one can't find from where ones ancestor have lived?

2. Are you saying there are no genes more common is some areas (and therefore populations)?

3. Is it relevant what you call it if you can know the average potential of a group of people based on the average of that group?

>>17311297
Wow, you sound like a bitch. Go lift or something.

>>17311297
its a very interesting piece of history is all, think of it as a profound puzzle where as you go along and the pieces start to fall together you will not stop exclaiming "aha!"

>>17311304
Oh okay, I'll consider it, but only if you do!
>>17311310
Wow, I already do? I guess there's no hope for me now, anon. Thanks for trying. Guess I'll just be a big muscular bitch forever.

>>17311273
Well op's post for one. But there is literally no solution for "whites" by going around telling them all that all blacks are dangerous. One it's insanely not true (and causes mental problems in itself) and any walk back in .00001% does 52% of murders is a sorry cope. But let's say it's 100% of 13% does 52% - there's literally nothing in there that solves violence. It's just a pointer finger that can eventually start calling whites who murder as not being white but with all the promotion of terrorism it confuses even that. There's simply no solution in redpill culture on any subject and there's zero closure that's not contradictory as aforementioned.
To tie it to op, he needs a solution that solves not only the analytic issues but psychological issues that come w these contradictions and these suggestions read horribly w at best lukewarm consequences to a perceptive mind. Plato offers solutions and the Bible does as well in a look at objective justice and truth which is what he needs.

>>17309221
Marx hated niggers and Jews though?

>>17311284
Learn to read.

>>17311297
Yes well you should comment you have no idea because this is a serious subject.

>>17311273
>Congratulations, you are now a conservative.
I always was a conservative, but that's beside the point
>it just absorbs everything counter-culture
you think the right absorbed the left, I say you are left with a couple of wrong conceptions about race and human rights

>>17311302
It wasn't for you retard.
>>numbers is referencing someone else. Get off my board/site.

>>17309217

anon, there are several types of people that become /pol/tards. Guarantee you are a male bordering on your 20s/mid-20s, and you were a /pol/tard from around 14-15 years of age. The rebellious phase most teenage boys go through to be contrarian manifests itself in the internet age through edgy memes that go against the status. if you were born in an earlier and more conservative decade it's probably that your rebellious adolescence would've been in the form of progressivism, although a key difference here, of course, is that by being a /pol/ tard all your like-minded contrarian friends are on the internet, and consequently in real life you just ostracize yourself from others. Abandoning /pol/ does not mean you suddenly become a normie leftist, progressive, or a status-quo charlatan. You're a contrarian, and just because you were a /pol/ tard does not mean you have to be a liberal, realise that it's liberalism itself that lies at most of your resentment against the modern world, and that your sexism/racism/misogyny is just argued for from the perspective of classical liberalism. when people write about returning to tradition, realise that they're talking about a specific kind of tradition.
genuine advice: read critiques of liberalism from postmodernist authors, read existentialists, your angst and frustration does not need to translate into unnecessary bigotry that ultimately just ostracises you

>>17310963
Now you're going to refugee camps in France and giving blowjobs am I right?

>>17309217
the process of becoming radicalised has become increasingly widespread due to a number of factors, both on the left and the right; however, left-wing radicalisation has been sanitised by the establishment at large (in the western world, at least) by having it serve corporate and oligarch interest, therefore you're only really an outcast if you become a right-wing radical.
First of all, there is little pride in becoming a neo-nazi. This is mostly to do with the "neo" part; they are but a parody of the strenuous conditions which forged the national socialist regime and bring nothing but mockery, as they tend to attract people which, in the vast majority, are simply in need of some kind of community and would LARP as pretty much anything just to feel part of something larger.
While there are groups who are wealthy, powerful and even outright psychopathic who want nothing but the worst for ordinary people, you cannot let yourself become some sort of walking circus freak, a neurotic mess, devoid of connections and real purpose, and let yourself be consumed by your resentment - you won't get anywhere like that.
You can still hold on to your ideas, but don't do it like some rabid dog, without being aware of the nuances of history and the different interests that are contending the world. Read about your opposition, learn to understand them, perhaps even identify/pity/sympathise with them, but never enough that you let yourself bend over backwards to others who want nothing but to exploit you.
if push comes to shove (which, depending on the circumstances, may actually happen within our lifetimes), there is no difference between what is right and what is necessary. That goes for all sides.

>>17311325
>Wow, I already do? I guess there's no hope for me now, anon. Thanks for trying. Guess I'll just be a big muscular bitch forever.
Yes, you talk like a passive agressive bitch, stop masturbating perhaps?

>>17311330
>But there is literally no solution for "whites" by going around telling them all that all blacks are dangerous.
They are different, thats enough and why would I now want violence. Seriously. Do you think everyone wants to be good, I dont. I dont care and neither do most people in our society, so we will see war and conflict.

Morality is one big farce, most people only think in terms of in-group versus out-group, if I take a shit on the grounds of city hall, it makes me a asocial, lunatic, qanon terrorist, if a leftist does it, its wild and transgressive art, if a negro does it, its a cultural misunderstanding.

Almost nobody outside a few high IQ people have moral believes, so we will have war, people will die and the insanity continues.

>>17311339
The subject of de-radicalizing or the subject of global banking being run by the jews? Because I'd agree that the former is a serous subject that is never going to be tackled in this thread because of bad faith actors from /pol/ and the fact that OP never responded to anyone in the thread. The whole banking thing though, I don't think I ever posited that I put on more than I know. I was asking about the books and posted the book I was reading. I don't understand where you saw that I was putting on airs as to my mysterious deep knowledge of (((global hegemony))) and all that garbage.

>>17311342
>you think the right absorbed the left, I say you are left with a couple of wrong conceptions about race and human rights
Rights no exist. The more fanatical the left becomes, the more White culture just moves to the right, the old left is already death, there is only White identity left.

>>17311373
I'm here

When going to ethnic ghettos in European capitals is enough to radicalize you into the "far right" de-radicalization can essentially mean just learning to numb yourself to things you can't change and passing the problem onto your children, ie becoming a boomer.

>>17311365
>stop masturbating perhaps?
I don't think that a hiatus on masturbation is going to solve the issue of how I communicate being seen as effeminate and annoying to nazis. But maybe it's worth a shot.

>>17311365
Well that's fine but it has nothing to do w op who came for a solution to the contradictory mental illness-inducing nonsense that is bereft in pol and politics in general

Realise that most of existence is a farce and revel in its sheer absurdity. Don't take anything too seriously.

>>17311325
haha, just stop humiliating yourself faggot

>>17311369
Yeah idc about the banking shit I was just giving advice to op which is the main subject.

>>17311330
How about stopping immigration from populations that are more violent and less. Intelligent?
Sure, it's not a solution but it will not make the problems worse.
Is it ok to always make things worse if no final solution exists?

Multicultural societies are low trust societies. You're probably too young or grew up in a too big metropolitan area to know what a real high trust society is but it is the default state for human societies.
It is something to strive for.

Liberal policies have led to a record level of mental illness and an ever increasing number of people on antidepressants.

Almost 20% of adult women are on antidepressants, and it's increasing, and you suggest we keep on going like this because we have no perfect solution?

If you were on a train and found out the brakes weren't working would you suggest trying to accelerate?

>>17311392
This

>>17311364
Do not do this. Appreciate the effort post but a framework is needed to understand politics and this offers none of that.

>>17311396
haha, okay anon, but what if we kissed???

>>17311399
>If you were on a train and found out the brakes weren't working would you suggest trying to accelerate?
Yes.

>>17311399
Because it does nothing. The cause of violence isn't genes or intelligence. Perhaps it could be scarcity or loss of one's being. Most al qaeda members were college educated. So your solution wouldn't prevent that. If anything, if you consider nazi Germany as being a great example of "non violence" and "intelligent", they started ww2 and the holocaust. They literally started the war in decent economy and were way less culturally diverse especially as time went on.

>>17311273
>the right becoming what the left was a few decades ago is the right ‘winning’

>>17311415
what do you mean?

>>17311356
Retard take

I was a communist in my teens and I graduated to libertarian in young adulthood when I realized most people are as little productive as they can get away with and most people will try to leech the system as much as they can, as they do in my social democratic country.
It was long after I had become an adult I became radicalized, and yes I have an education, a job and I'm moderately successful.

The sub-culture of neo-Nazi skinheads is pretty much gone and was always a joke. You seem to think OP is one of them are but that's not the modern right.

>>17311362
Nope but I expected this type of response . If you are over the age of 18 you have the maturity of a 15 year old. I honestly pity you.
>>17311265
Cheers, mostly family issues (toxic/dysfunctional household), and I had a girlfriend at the time who was a handful (although in all fairness I was probably equally toxic as her, and it was fuelled by you guessed it, /pol/.)

>>17311436
>The cause of violence isn't genes or intelligence
>Most al qaeda members were college educated

>>17311447
>read history and opposing sides views
>somehow get empathy for your enemies?
Uhm that's not literally what the Nazis did and hated them more? It takes a proper framework. You're assuming they have what you have and will read how you read. Plato and Christianity offer a good framework

>>17311450
>invites mockery
>nooo you can't mock me

>>17311452
>and then I used nazi Germany which I assume you believe had good genes and were intelligent
Gtfo my board

>>17309217
for the love of god get the fuck away from modern twitter politics, news articles saying increasingly inane bullshit about white people, and the daily nigger/shitskin/paki raping/killing/beating innocent white person articles
all of this shit is fucked, and once you know it and the general media hypocrisy surrounding it there's no need to bust a vein daily about it
if you wanna change the system, you infiltrate first, but you'll never do that if you're some NEET

>>17311464
germany did not start ww2, and sent dozens of peace offerings to britain during the war.

>>17311136
>>17311192
>>17311136
>>17311415
Donotdothisfag, you're being annoying now

>>17311489
I offered solutions and responded.

Do not do whatever this >>17311489
fag is saying

>>17311436
>and the holocaust
The /pol/tard cop out is that it didn't happen. They literally need the Holocaust to be fake for their retardation to make any sense.

>>17311485
Nobody buys it buddy Anschluss was ballsy especially after the buildup of arms and czechoslovakia was the last bit of patience left but Poland was extraordinarily insane and even during the war they attacked soviet union first.

>>17311448
I'm not claiming OP was part of any neo-Nazi subculture. In general, the "radicalisation" that happens on /pol/ is rather tame, but it's the level of social ostracisation that happens as a conseuqence of getting all your information from MAGA Kekistani shit my pants ideology. I'm not necessarily suggesting that OP abandon his right-wing views, but rather examine the ones he has now. I would still consider it an immensely positive development even if OP became a fascist, started reading e.g. Gentile/Mosley, and simultaneously got his life together. Being a /pol/tard is weird in that sure it's ideological "radicalisation", but it's the toll on your everyday social interactions that being a /pol/tard has as well. That, and the fact that I think many of the teenage boys that become "radicalised" by /pol between ages 14-18 are generally somewhat intelligent, it's sad to see people flocking to libshit MAGA liberalism when it's an ideology with the least depth

>>17311508
yes but they only attacked poland because they where killing ethnic german in danzig, they never believed britain would declare war over it.

>>17311493
It doesn't even matter but the only ones who actually believe it didn't happen are midwits even in the community. When I was in it the phrase was usually "it didn't happen but it should have happened" or it didn't but if it did tier nonsense.
But it doesn't matter either way. Their ideal values aren't representative in nazi Germany in any way at least of the values they listed.

>>17311493
I think most people are just aware that a decent portion of it is drummed up - a natural response even if you don't look at the evidence given how its used to bludgeon people in the post-war political paradigm. Realizing the math of crematoria and body burn time doesn't add up is really just nitpicking. Only a small minority believe that nothing happened.

Start by learning to write English well, with good grammar.

> I am typical /pol/tard with typical following characteristics(racist, sexist, homophobic).

This is stupid form. Below is better:

I am a typical /pol/tard with the typical following characteristics: racist, sexist, homophobic.

>>17311436
>The cause of violence isn't genes or intelligence.
Both are literally major contributing factors.
Both intelligence and aggressiveness are to a large degree inheritable, this is settled science.

Also Germany didn't start WW2, it was Britain who made sure it wasn't just a war but a world war.
The reason for German aggression was really revanschism because of lost land
In WW1.
The Soviets were doing the very same thing, for the same reasons, with the difference the conquered people the Soviets conquered didn't want to be conquered.

Unless you think Hitler truly was a crazy madman he really wouldn't have continued to expand after Danzig, and if it was given freely no war with the Poles would have taken place.
After that point all German would have been united and the only other goal would be to cleanse the world of communism so he would have tried to gather support to stop the Soviets.

>>17311450
Can relate to the girlfriend part. Cringe thinking about how I used to regurgitate borderline incel evolutionary psych views about women to her, just because that's the entire culture i was surrounded by in /pol/, when in reality she was nothing like the generalisations i described, a real sweetheart that I'll never see again. Rip

>>17311523
That doesn't explain why they attacked soviet union during the war. Given genes and "intelligence" (at least of the leadership), this doesn't equate to peace and progress.

OP here, sorry for not replying, fuck, man, this thread had really degradeted into personal attacks and shit-throwing, propapbly will recreate it when will have time to reply

>>17311541
because they saw communism as a jewish invention and believed it to be of danger to the future of their people.

>>17311536
Obviously after attacking a lot of British allies a final straw is had.
Either way, you have no proof that nazi Germany had less crime (they did have similar mental illnesses which only rose when Germany suffered a large defeat in battle).

>>17311551
Also I'm currently on HRT if it matters

>>17311551
There are gems and good conversations but I would just read this post and not remake it again.

>>17311508
>hey attacked soviet union first
Both sides knew the other side wanted the other sides total destruction and that war was coming.
The Germans knew the longer they waited the more of an advantage they gave the Soviets, who would declare war sooner or later.

Saying the Germans were bad because they declared first is a weak argument.

>>17311579
Ok

When you talk to people that used to chain smoke cigarettes for decades and quit, they usually will mention that they miss it. They still will think about it, but they recognize that they can't for their own health.
For the rest of your life, you will have the same impulses. As you read any book anyone recs you, you'll find that you will bring to it that 'ideaology'. All you can do is read what you want to read actively and constantly check your manic /pol/ impulses

>>17311562
Was France communist? They were at war. There is literally zero overlap between your values and theirs. Gandhi was being attacked, he promoted peace. Mlk Jr was being attacked, he promoted peace. There are plenty of good examples of behavior that leads to this peaceful culture and nazi Germany isn't one of them.

>>17311573

>>17311573
Do you have autism

>>17311586
You said, or the argument is, good genes and higher intelligence in a culture leads to less violence. Quit sidemanning the points.

>>17311604
Yes, side effect of the HRT.

>>17311436
what does concerns about a low trust society have to do with international warfare? Since when was pol opposed to violence in of itself? people will always make copes for what they view as justified violence and so nazi sympathizers will excuse anything from the war to brownshirt violence as necessary. You're kind of tilting at windmills here.

>>17311599
what do you mean? there is rightful violence and unjust violence. hitting an old woman to steal her purse is unjust and not right while declaring war on another state who you believe will destroy your people is just. violence is not an unjust business in and of itself. there is a difference between murdering and killing someone.

>>17311573
Well, people will still shit on you for being trans (it is 4chan after all) on /lit/, but honestly just move to this board and ditch /pol/, better environment for your mental health, you won't be surrounded by self-hatred (altho this def also happens here)

>>17311569
>Obviously after attacking a lot of British allies a final straw is had.
They attacked none of Britain's Allies before any allied declaration of war.
Poland was guaranteed from a German invasion.
If Poland were allied to Britain the allies would have declared war on the Soviets too.

>Either way, you have no proof that nazi Germany had less crime (they did have similar mental illnesses which only rose when Germany suffered a large defeat in battle
Antidepressant use it quickly climbing, people have never been more broken and it was not in any way as high in 1940s Germany.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db377.htm#:~:text=During%202015%E2%80%932018%2C%2013.2%25%20of%20adults%20used%20antidepressants%20in,those%20aged%2060%20and%20over.

>>17311599
France declared war on Germany. The usual reaction to somebody declaring war on you is to fight with them. Not a Nazi but this argument is weak

>>17311618
A high trust society that has a rise in suicides for each battle in a war lost? I just don't see it as a solution and I have no evidence to believe putting a bunch of reddit retards in the same room w the same genotype will = any progress

>>17311603
My sides. Also, baboons are incredibly funny to me today because I was at the zoo earlier and by the monkey section one of the zookeepers warned us that a baboon mother was carrying her dead child around by the arm and had been doing so for the past week and that they couldnt do anything to stop her from doing it. Really funny stuff.
Do you guys want to here what I did for the rest of the day?

>>17311624
99% of the global population will think you're a freak for being trans and keep their children from being near you. Who's in the real echochamber?

>>17311620
Then you're going to have to settle out "just and unjust violence" with them. I say all violence is a lower form of truth and there's no distinction between them. I can beat the shit out of a textbook for just reasons as to learn more... it's simply not a good solution. Its purposes are minimally materially causative.

>>17311628
I don't mind bad grammar but I'm having difficulty reading you.
If antidepressants were used more in nazi Germany then it contradicts your point that intelligence and good genes leads to good things necessarily. It's a weak framework if it can be swept under by antidepressant use (among the other reasons I hear).

>>17311647
Yeah no doubt that this is true, I would advise OP to stop HRT and go to a psychiatrist that specialises in gender dysphoria to see if there are underlying mental health issues, but if OP is adament on becoming trans and still wants to browse 4chan then rather they do it here than on /pol/ where it probably worsens their mental state, trans or no-trans.
>>17311617
Also, as far as I'm aware, this is not possible, and I'm starting to think this is fucking bait

>>17311649
im not sure im following, do you believe it just to beat and rob an old woman?

>>17311615
I did not. I said less intelligent people are prone to be more violent.
This is not the same as being warlike or brutal.

The Japanese have, and have always had, a very low violent crime rate yet they have been warlike and often been very brutal and committed extreme acts of violence in war.

Being aggressive in day to day activities and being brutal in societally sanctioned acts of violence are not the same thing.
The reason less intelligent people are more aggressive is because they, on average, have less impulse control and lack the ability plan well. There are many other genetic factors for violence such as problems with MAO-A.

I assumed you knew most of these things, I apologize.

>>17311540
Indeed it sucks but it’s in the past don’t beat yourself up over it. Take care of yourself, have a brighter future.
>>17311460
You invite mockery lmao. You can’t let adults have a cordial discussion you just have to cry about refugee camps and make baseless assumptions about me. /pol/, MAGA, the alt right, whatever other crap you identify with is a joke. Most /pol/tards are disconnected from reality. You will never be a woman + Trump lost deal with it you screeching tranny.

>>17311656
>I don't mind bad grammar but I'm having difficulty reading you.
Yeah, sorry.
I'm phone posting in bed and I've taken melatonin so I really should be sleeping.
Time to stop posting.

>>17311686
STAY UP ANON, GET THE HIGH

>>17311666
Let's work from the opposite side in converse. If fighting a war with France to protect your people was just, how could you prevent your people from being in this situation again? By the just war argument, simply by declaring war again. There's obviously a limit to that. The solution isn't materially causative enough however there are solutions which are (some more deplorable than others particularly trading but raising technology works, I listed historical examples and I could actually prove more but I'm not going to).
Now to work on the other side, there are situations where beating and robbing an old women can be considered just (she tried to threaten your people/self in the vein of just war) and you protected yourself. Even assuming that for aforementioned points this simply won't do enough to be important. They can both be just but even in the best circumstances it's a terrible solution.

>>17311672
Well just read this then >>17311702

I properly don't assume you know and properly btfo all your arguments no matter how many months y'all have had to respond.

>>17311702
i dont want to be a bore, but do you mind answering my question? is it just to beat and rob and old woman?

>>17311713
Yeah it would be terrible for you to be so. It might come off as illiterate

>>17311735
it is not a very complicated question and either a yes or a no would suffice, and if you want to add to it with some justification that is fine too. but it seems you are hellbent on not answering it but i will ask it again. do you think it is just to beat and rob an old woman?

>>17309217
>I've got brainwashed, can you brainwash me in a different way?
turn off your modem you trend seeking tard

>>17311755
I think I'll have to leave it to this post >>17311702
To properly relay my answer. I'm not sure if that's what you're replying to though. If so it would be terribly embarrassing for the whole nazi cause

>>17311788
you did not answer the question.
>she tried to threaten your people/self in the vein of just war
was never part of the question, but for some reason you felt it worthwile to add to it.
I will ask one last time, is it just to beat and rob an old woman?

>>17310923
>being jewish is very meaningful to them
>being jewish isn’t meaningful
Pretzels from you people, as usual.

>if other ethnicities
...lived in Europe and especially held to a father faith that debunks your own simply by its existence (not to mention the textual scapegoat of those long dead people that were supposedly responsible for the death [and fulfillment of a prophecy?] of your god-son-of-their-god)
Naw, you got nothing.

>>17311000
>a veil to cloak ones true intentions.
>Which is, get us Jews ahead of the goyim.
But if we successfully tore state-capitalism out, root and branch, we’d hear no more of it. Scare you?

>>17311830
I'm so sorry this is the best the nazis had to send to me.
I'll dumb it down even more but I recommend you go be w your kind: In some situations bad, some situations good. Just unjust doesn't cover these distinctions especially as you worded them.
Don't give up your day job anon and I'd get any arrogant fantasies of being a white savior out of your head.

>>17311830
>>17311858
Also I can't dumb it down even more so I'd hope you hold to your last ask.

>>17311858
>>17311873

>>17309217
It's easy anon, realize the modern right is a brand just like any and all forms of on-Marxist or non-Anarchist "leftism" (though there are also many radlibs posing as Marxists and Anarchists that muddle the waters). Anything that isn't based in class analysis is either the ideology the ruling class is hoping will take hold (UBI, social democracy, silicone valley aristocracy, massive expansion of the rentier economy), or controlled opposition used as a control valve on society (the modern right from /pol/fags to Neoreactionary types like Yarvin). The only worthwhile right wing thinkers are Schmitt, Strauss, and Chesterton, not that their views are accurate but they make some interesting observations. Also, once you've read the Marxist and Leninist cannon, read Adorno, you may find the Marxist theorists of the Frankfurt school to be more concerned with preserving western culture than you would have originally thought. Eventually the idealist delusions concerning race, sex, etc. will pass.

>>17311893
But not class. How shameful to promote being a deranged leftist instead of a deranged rightist and no you don't have to pick what side of being deranged you want to be on (to include centrist) to solve an inadequacy that politics necessarily holds.

>>17311923
>to solve an inadequacy that politics necessarily holds
Not taking a position is a position nonetheless, though that isn't exactly a unique take.

>>17311933
If you have two children fighting over the TV, which side do you pick as a good parent? It is a trick question if you're not a parent anon.

>>17311933
>>17311944
Let me go further, one side is white but poorer and the other is rich but non white. No centrist doesn't work either. There's a founding solution particularly in teaching empathy to your kids.

>>17311933
There are many but here you go anon. You should be reading this before you post here about any ideological nonsense. https://www.parentingscience.com/teaching-empathy-tips.html
An alternative would be to start w the greeks.

>>17309438
good advice, actually

>>17311985
In my experience it isn't but different strokes for different folks. Me reading books about othes when I was far right did the opposite.

>>17309217
Antisemite & Jew
Black Skin, White Masks
Huckleberry Finn
The Second Sex
Notes on Camp

Those are all pretty easy reading and a good introduction to not being a /pol/tard

>>17312000
Do not read this shit. They don't provide a framework they simply assume one. If someone had the framework to not be racist etc then they wouldn't be asking for this shit. You buy-a-new-hat liberals certainly say a lot of mindless things when you critique liberals.

>>17311944
>>17311966
My point stands? By choosing to tell the kids to have empathy for each other rather than saying one is in the right you are taking the position that your children, rather than trying to curry favor with you, should be their own moral agents. This is not a non-ideological take.
>>17311982
>the Greeks
>without ideology

>>17312026
And then the leftists send me this shit oh boy.
One is rich and one is poor. The TV is control of the economy. There's no way you're suggesting rich people and poor people just accept each other and be liberal capitalists in the vein of your book suggestions.
Starting w the greeks is to help you develop your own metaphysics or framework. Ideology wasn't meant to include any framework pluralistically. Making your bed everyday isn't a political ideology and neither is the greeks in general.

I don't care what TV show y'all are fighting over this week, there are orders of frameworks which solve these issues and taking a linear approach is horrid.

OP, don't take any of these recommendations ITT - these people are just offering you books that de-radicalized THEM.

The book that will "deradicalize" YOU will be the book you read after realizing that you love life and hate misery. Your love for life will fill in the gaps between the words of that book and you will associate that book with the feeling of love.

Don't think that you can read a book and be cured of what you recognise as a bad mindset. A bad mindset is what we get when we try to find joy in misery. Try to find joy in love instead: love for what's good. If those images are of white people, traditional life, then that's fine: lots of people are old-fashioned and dislike modernity. Just try to project that love back onto society and don't try to find joy in "bringing them down a peg".

I think it is brave of you to ask for help on this. The fact you have done so probably means my advice is already irrelevant.

>>17309217
>racist, homophobic
i can help you
>sexist
i cant.

>>17312094
If you're in the know don't take this advice. It's turned ppl more radical.

>>17312094
Based faggot

>>17310087
>scientific validity of leftist bull shit
Get the fuck out of here, just because you can manipulate """science""" to conclude whatever it is you want doesnt make it so.

>>17310893
Cope.


Fuck nigs btw lmao

>>17310087
>https://oyc.yale.edu/political-science/plsc-114?qt-course=2#qt-course

if he's lazy and doesn't want to read he could also watch that lecture series

>>17309221
>Destroy the homosexualism and fascism will disappear!
>Maxim Gorky, #1 writer of the pre-WWII USSR
Whoa!

>>17309217
It's called contact theory. You need to spend time with people you 'hate'. You also need to get off the 'death scroll' where you constantly imbibe negative news about the world that reinforces your beliefs. I doubt a book could do what you need alone although I would recommend "Humanity: a hopeful history". I would also unironically watch a youtuber like Vaush who whilst very annoying is also very clued up on many topics and through his debates with right wingers really helps you understand the other side of the argument.

>>17312491
Seethe
Reality will always favour the left

>>17313881
No nigger

>>17313881
Why has communism never worked then?

>>17313934
CIA assassinates leaders and destabilizes the country.

>>17309217
Try reading Toni Morrison.

>>17310087
>politicized social constructions like race, gender,

>>17312502
Kys christlarper

>>17309217
Read critical theory

And 300

>>17309217
I think I saw the 4chad meme when I was around 18 >>17309951 . For some reason I wanted to be him, I wanted to know. And I knew that the only way of knowing was to throw myself into that which I feared. Nazis was something I feared, I did not understand how one can be that way so I threw myself onto their forums and posted basic posts inviting them to radicalize me. Definitely wasn't the best time or my best first choice being young and easy to affect but I allowed it to chew and affect me, no matter how deep I got I knew in the back of my head that I was doing this to become 4chad. After a year I knew it was my time to go when everyone there began calling me a jew, the only thing I had appreciated about them was how /pol/ wanted truth but when I called out their lies they only called me a jew, they hated me for my truth. I had ascended /pol/ and their lives and understood how a person becomes that way. After that I let socialists and communists radicalize me with very similar results only I could do it quicker now.
After that I went on /lit/, I did not know what these guys were talking about. What are all these words. I threw myself into /lit/, it was harsh, I was stupid and ignorant but I knew they would one day call me based and later on call me cringe when I would ascend them. I read things that scared me both literally and intellectually, Bataille, Deleuze, Plotinus, Newton papers, Aristotle, Marx, dark buddhism, weird transsexual manifestos, Linkola, disgusting contemporary limit-experience things, anything I was afraid of. I reached a level where I would get 20 "based" replies on my posts. It wasn't /lit/ that specifically turned against me however, the mods turned against me. I had found things they were afraid of and banned me for every single long post I made. I knew I had ascended /lit/ at that moment because they were afraid of my truth, the mods had become afraid of me.
I was baffled, how ignorant I had been and knew I still was, how ignorant people were. Yet my eyes stayed tempered and my search continued with that new burden on my shoulders.
My understanding was still so limited, I did not really understand science and had to spend a year teaching myself actual math and what it was, I did not really understand the middle east, who was this Khaldun, who was this Arabi, I had little understanding of actual history and china especially, I did not truly understand theology either and so much more so I continued on because I had to become 4chad.
5 years later and I have come close, what do I today? I only post on /int/, workout, study more and sometimes fap to femboys. I have become a follower of the ancient thinkers of the east nowadays. What does life have in store for me I wonder, I still have to walk this path because it is the one I was thrust into.
My only reason for writing this was to flex on you OP. I will now go back to /int/, I've already cummed to a cute asian femboy today. Goodbye.

>>17314212
This is unironically what Nietzsche would be posting if he was born a zoomer

>>17310641
Ok schizo. Literally everything in that book has been debunked.

>>17310714
They are

>>17309217
>I am typical /pol/tard with typical following characteristics(racist, sexist, homophobic).
>What books can help me de unradicalize myself?
Stop getting paid to shill here you fuck.

>>17310892
We dont have to pretend :)

>>17314639
>some guy on /pol/ makes shit up
That board is just psyop on psyop on psyop, it's like schizophrenia in digital form

>>17311493
The Holocaust was a response to Jewish Bolsheviks killing 10 million Ukranians in the Holodomor.

>>17314639
How many layers of irony is this post even on?

>>17314639
do /pol/tards just believe every single LARP that gets posted there

>>17311169
Mossadegh was bad though. I am suspicious of any descendant of the incompetent Qajars trying to gain power. Even Islamist cult MEK/NCRI, which is 100x worse than mullahs, is largely populated by descendants of the Qajars.

>>17309319
Says the faggot that is defending NOT talking to people. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAA I CANT BELIEVE FUCKING FAGGOTS LIKE YOU ACTUALLY EXIST...NERD

>>17313944
Cope

>>17313881
Then why is reality racist?

>>17314794
>I’m afeard of other members of muh species sos thet means racism is real. And cherished by god. Amen.

>>17310465
>>17310489

I've never understood this negative response to seeing congressmen or other important people hiding in the wooden pews.

Even if you don't think the protestors who stormed the capital were violent, there's nothing you can do in a gunfight when you are unarmed especially- you just have to get to cover. Even if the protestors were peaceful one crazy guy with a gun could shoot you up- why shouldn't they cower in the pews? It's just a way to justify further hatred of those politicians, it doesn't really show anything negative about their characters.

It was pretty easy for me to deradicalize from /pol/ because it never "radicalized" me to begin with. After all, how could I buy into an ideology that calls me an Amerimutt (Yeah, I know there's tons of guys like Enrique Tarrio and whatnot, but lets be frank, they're all meatheads).

Like the previous poster said, you can't go back again. Once you see past the shiny intellectual exterior that masks the COOM/CONSOOM metastases, you'll never be able to buy the BS again.

That said, plopping another shitty ideological framework in isn't going to work, just because said shitty framework recognizes how fucked everything is. You're just going to have to start plotting out your own course by figuring out your core principles and priors and building out from there. It's fucking hard work, but that way you don't end up a meathead LARPer who thinks everything is either 1930s Munich or 1930s Barcelona.

>>17314945
Dare I say it?

>>17314855
Youre literally Jewish though, muh projection much?

>>17314969
Sure, why not. At worst I loose a couple of seconds of my allotted lifespan, at best you make me laugh.

>>17309217
If you realize you're an exaggerated caricature rather than a real human then that's all you need.

>>17315061
New kid, please. I’m an ex christian

>>17313867
>It's called contact theory. You need to spend time with people you 'hate'.
But it was contact with blacks that began my radicalization process.

>>17314535
Ah, of course.
Debunked by people who haven't even read it.

Could you perhaps name a good. Scholarly critique?
Would you also mind explaining with the first two books were crucially acclaimed before the third book in the series was published?

>>17314945
>how could I buy into an ideology that calls me an Amerimutt
If you refuse to learn because you're offended you're doomed to stay ignorant.

>>17309217
This list is sure to unradicalize you and make you feel like the world is not run by a satanic pedofile zionist temple trying to destroy the white race

>>17315931
Weak response.
Siege is a meme and the last three books should have been read by anyone, and read again as an adult if read as a teenager.

Anyway non of those books will either radicalize or de-radicalized anyone unless they are a very trusting person.

>>17315923
Okay, let me state it more clearly. What's the point of advocating for a system of government that by its very fundamental values I'm not supposed to have a say in?

It's not offense, it's just common sense. If you want to be white nationalist, more power to you. Obviously I couldn't be a part of it even if for whatever reason I wanted to.

>>17316005
>What's the point of advocating for a system of government that by its very fundamental values I'm not supposed to have a say in?
What makes you say that is what right winger are promoting?
Right wingers typically want national self-governance, with as little outside influence as possible and national self-reliance on resources as to reduce outside influences. This is why Nazi Germany was working hard towards autarky and why the Japanese built the co-prosperity sphere and attacked western colonial powers.

This can very well work in real mutt nations, Turkey is very nationalist, they are united in the spirit of being Turkish.
You don't need pure ethnic homogeneity even for real fascism, in Italy the song Faccetta Nera was very popular. A song about a beautiful Abyssinian girl who the Italians freed from slavery and would get a better life under the Italian king and Il Duce. The Germans didn't like the song however and worked to get it banned in Italy, showing that there are many possible routes right wing politics can take.

>>17309570
Brainlet. If you're accusing an individual with racialist identity as having it only as a bandaid for an inferiority complex, then you should consider it from an evolutionary perspective, if you are only concerned with that. The inferior, lower caste member of an endangered race may find it to be a better strategy for reproducing genetic material, by devotedly serving the racial collective with the only goal being survival of the race, as to rely on fellow carriers of common gentic material to reproduce in the event this individual is too unfortunate to have been capable of reproducing himself. In this way, he lives on in some sense through the descendants of his siblings, cousins and so on. If the individual lives like a parasite and wallows in his frustration, he only causes suffering and burden upon his racial family. The millions of soldiers who died fighting for their nation, family, or even personal gain as means to achieving secure reproduction, still ended up aiding their race and so the reproduction of their genes, through the surviving relatives. Its so easy.

>>17315900
Google "Cofnas springer judaism evolutionary strategy"

To my mind a very scholarly critique.

To answer your question - the first two books take an neutral stance and are not per se antisemitic. Old McDonald has said as much himself - he got "red pilled" so to speak.

>>17316605
I Google the exact words you posted and this as the first result is "Judaism as a Group Evolutionary Strategy" on springer link.

If anything it's in favor of CofC and says he's been unjustly silenced and that professors can't talk about the books without being silenced.

>To answer your question - the first two books take an neutral stance and are not per se antisemitic. Old McDonald has said as much himself - he got "red pilled" so to speak.
You didn't answer the question.
Why are they nowadays viewed in a negative light?