/lit/ - Literature

>>17304769
he looks jewish, anon.

>>17304769
let the plebs pleb

>>17304777
He really doesn't.

>>17304777
Thats anglos for you

>>17304769
Please cover your behind christian man, for it reeks of hurt.

>>17304786
It’s just unfortunate because so many people obviously turn to these figures before they ever pick up a book. Unfortunately, I fear they might even prevent them from ever picking up a certain book.

He went on to tell the Catholic who asked the question which led to this claim that they were being “subversive” in case anyone was wondering.

>>17304808
nothing new under the sun. even plato was ranting against sophists who capture the attention of dull minded plebs and lead them astray. instead of happening in the forum, it happens on social media.

>>17304769
Is his historical work ok at least?

Religion is for retards

>>17304769
STJ is a dumbass. However, I want to discuss something else.
over Jesus and Muhammad. It just bothers me whenever I see morons on here posting about Islam and Christianity. My mind is far greater than anything those false traditions produced. Why not worship me instead? Become my disciple? My wisdom far surpasses Jewsus, M*hammad, and M*ses. Consider making traditions revolving around me instead. Thanks.

>>17304848
What historical work? I’m sure he’s not wrong or idiotic about everything. Maybe he can be trusted with scientific and historical research but it’s quite obvious that he just doesn’t know what he’s talking about when it comes to things like theology or non-scientific matters. That’s what makes him a pseud. There are many like him in the YouTube pseudo-intellectual sphere.

>>17304769
STJ is a dumbass. However, I want to discuss something else.
Why do people choose to worship Jesus and Muhammad over me? It just bothers me whenever I see morons on here praising Islam and Christianity. My mind is far greater and luminous than anything those false traditions produced. Why not worship me instead? Become my disciple? My wisdom far surpasses Jewsus, M*hammad, and M*ses. Consider making traditions revolving around me instead!. Thanks.

>>17304769
I used to like his videos and it's actually them that gave me a liking for linguistics. He's an absolute trash-tier pseud and a larper though. To answer your question, it's easier for most to watch a STJ video than to read a book.

I hate ideologues that pretend to be scientifically rigorous and impartial so much bros

>>17304953
Isnt that basically enforced by law at this point though?

>>17304769
I like Jive, but he's kind of autistic and relatively often at that, about things.

>>17304822
I don't understand what you're trying to say anon, what Catholic asked what question?

>>17304893
I already do Schopi

>>17304886
>scientific and historical research
Both are crude and border on /pol/ type rhetoric of twisting the truth

>hey /lit, please criticise this youtuber he made fun of my larp
Yeah fuck off go to /his/

>>17304886
>he just doesn’t know what he’s talking about when it comes to things like theology or non-scientific matters
>non-scientitic matters
and nothing of importance was lost.

why are there people larping about taking metaphysics (or even more embarassing, theology) seriously in this day and age? is it because learning actual science is too hard for them so they opt for pretending that there are still things that can't be explained by it?

>bro, like, immaterial realities, bro
>w-what's "immaterial"? uuuh it's like the o-opposite of something thats material
>n-no you can't actual observe it, or verify it, and yeah it's all the result of neurochemical reactions but like what if it wasn't?
>woooooahhh. what if god and souls (whatever these mean) are all like more real than reality. i better start writing this down!

>>17304769
KEK triggered

>>17304994
A Catholic asked him a question in the interview that was along the lines of “how do ‘pagans’ and Catholics unite?” and he responded by saying it was all ritual with no focus on theology or doctrine or belief and that the Catholic who asked the question was being subversive. The weird thing is they seemed to agree actually.

>>17304786
This, because they'll do it regardless and you'll only hurt yourself in the process.

>>17305016
They are looking for ideologies that give them social status.
>I'm not a neet virgin in my late twenties. I'm a tradcath neocrusader who keeps pure for Mary.

>>17305032
>A Catholic asked him a question in the interview that was along the lines of “how do ‘pagans’ and Catholics unite?”
Man catholarpers really have no shame do they?

>>17304769
But he is talking shit, anon. I mean, nothing new on youtube, and definitely not the worst shit out there either.

>>17305016
>>bro, like, immaterial realities, bro
>>w-what's "immaterial"? uuuh it's like the o-opposite of something thats material
>>n-no you can't actual observe it, or verify it, and yeah it's all the result of neurochemical reactions but like what if it wasn't?
>>woooooahhh. what if god and souls (whatever these mean) are all like more real than reality. i better start writing this down!
You're literally retarded because you're just giving into a particular metaphysical framework here, and furthermore this mocking is only the result of the metaphysik of the to-day which you take for granted.

All great philosophical, or metaphysical, developments have had a truth in them, but from within their own metaphysics they've been absolutely correct.

>>17305011
Kek this

>>17305048
A tradcath zoomzoom keeping himself pure for the virgin Mary is a waifufag with extra steps change my mind

>>17305032
Is Jive literally autistic? What a fucking retard man, why does he even pretend that he doesn't completely hate Christianity in most of his videos?

>>17305057
To be clear, I believe he was referring to political goals.

>>17304769
This guy is such a trad larper.

>>17305084
I’ve only seen a couple of his videos but I didn’t get rhe impression that he hates Christianity. I do get the impression that he doesn’t actually understand it at all and also that he harbors a bit of resentment because of the idea that pagans were converted by force. I just thought this particular exchange was exceedingly stupid.

>>17304769
No one on YouTube discussing a religion they don't believe in, let alone have done study of, is going to provide you with anything other than their fried-attention-span musings on the latest trend. If you want depth you go to a different medium. Simple as.

>>17305102
Right. But unfortunately, there are many confused people out there and for them, the stakes are actually quite high.

>>17305115
You're really itching for someone to criticise catholicism to get your buzzphrases out huh?
Come on just say it and we can move on.

Him, the Golden One, Styx and Varg have said so much idiocy its unfathomable.
And it's coming from someone that genuinely liked them for some time, but this is incredible. I just feel ashame of ever listening to them and not realise how stupid they are.

>>17305142
I have no idea what you’re talking about or what you’re even trying to say.

Survive the Jive produces videos of varying quality, depending on the topic. I find his genetics and history videos interesting and he does make use of source material. He’s weaker when it comes to philosophy (he shills Traditionalists poorly). My favourite videos are his linguistic and the ones about the proto Indo Europeans- for instance the longevity of horse worship from PIE to later IE cultures.

>>17304777
What are you talking about? He doesn't look Jewish at all.

> watching youtube as a means to gain wisdom and knowledge
> caring about normies
lol

>>17305165
STJ/Golden One, Varg, and Styx have nothing on common. You have never watched anything by any of these men and have no idea what they believe.

>>17305102
You misunderstand. The point isn't that anyone actually believes in anything or doesn't believe in anything, but rather to engage in the American performative religious experience. Religion to an America isn't something you do because of some reality that you are experiencing, but rather a staged theatrical performance that you engage in for social approval. STJ genuinely believes that Odin, Thor, etc are real, actively worships and prays to them, and has filmed himself doing so. This means nothing. Rather, STJ can't actually "believe" in Odin because it doesn't fit into the theatrical performance that OP is trying to engage in. "Pagans" are poorly dressed smelly hippies who like recycling and homosexuality and hate cars and having jobs. This is as opposed to the Christian, who wears a suit, bathes, doesn't like recycling and homosexuality, and likes cars and jobs.

When STJ, or any [insert incredibly niche autistic self terminology for someone who worships Pre-Christian European deities] says
>you can be a Pagan AND wear a suit, bathe, not be a fag, and have a job
this is incredibly offensive to the Christian, because the entire theatrical performance is being attacked. It's not that the Pagan has actually attacked Christianity, but rather that they've attacked the worldview that the Christian holds. The only two options are "smelly faggy hippy" and "man from a 1950s cigarette advertisement". To suggest otherwise is a fundamental attack on an entire conception of reality. It's not merely to posit that you should do bad, but that you should reject the entire schema in which good can be, and replace it with something else.

>>17304769
this guy is /pol/tard tier

>>17305300
Yeah, this thread is full of retards who don't know what they're talking about. If you want an actual criticism of the man, it's that he fucked up big time by using his real name while being a britbong, being an academic while being a britbong, and trying to become Evola 2.0 while being a britbong.

>>17305385
It sounds like you don’t know what you’re talking about honestly.

>>17304769
>What do we do about anti-intellectual pseuds on platforms like YouTube capturing the attention of gullible people and leading them astray when they could just be reading books and cutting to the truth of things?
You will never be able to solve this. It's no different from people getting their ethics from Harry Potter. The public are morons.

>>17305330
What a worthless driveling comment. Just a giant baseless insult really. None of these people in question are even American. All of those people have communicated, debated, and collaborated together too, you moron. To say they have nothing in common is idiotic at best, lying at worst.

>>17305412
What books have you read that would lead you to this conclusion?

>>17305115
Well if they are already confused then not much more harm can be done

>>17305498
Shouldn’t that be the case where the most can be done...? You can’t affect change on certainty.

>>17305520
If a bunch of confused people are chirping at each other and you come in with whatever you think is your groundbreaking idea, unless you are a better presenter than them (not likely since they are the ones with the audience) you will probably not succeed in saving them or whatever you have in mind.

>>17305330
>STJ/Golden One, Varg, and Styx have nothing on common. You have never watched anything by any of these men and have no idea what they believe.
Yes I have been watching and they are of the same branch. And you fuckface niggerlover kike faggot who the fuck are you to say what I watch? Go suck on a dick you massive retard faggot.

I saw him on Twitter talking about the Catholic Church having female priests. He's an idiot.

>>17305330
>taking up theology as a consumer identity and believing it is legitimated through cyber-performance
Sounds like everyone involved is a moron and can be safely ignored

>>17304769
Argue against them like always. Are you a zoomer?
Write an essay about how he is wrong and then read it out on YouTube yourself.

>>17305556
No they aren't. At all. The only two who have anything in common are STJ and Golden One. Varg rants about STJ for actually believing in Odin, and STJ constantly makes fun of Varg for being Varg. Styx is a weirdo Libertarian Satanist.

They literally have nothing in common, and you're a retard. Go read a book.

>>17305571
Correct. Anything you can get from STJ, you can get from just reading the books he cites in each video, alongside far more. You're not really helping him in any way by watching his videos, because the entire point of what he's doing is putting himself out there to find likeminded Traditionalists.

As usual, the answer is "go read a book", and as usual /lit/ will not.

>>17304769
I'm pretty sure he got a lot of his thoughts on Nietzsche from Bowden.

>>17305658
you forgot that styx is a jew

>>17305658
If you do not understand that they are from a contrarian fourchinz alt-right fuck kikes cultures well I dunno what to say. Like yeah Sherlock they do not talk about the same thing but they still have that same edgy spirit.

I guess Varg atleast made some good music.

>>17305658
The entire point of what he’s doing is to make money first and foremost and second to promote his perverted ideas of paganism which are really nothing more than neopaganism with a sort of hair-brained Traditionalist take. If he wants to continue to make videos and books about haplogroups or pagan burial mounds or whatever then more power to him but he should probably stop commenting I’m the comment sections of videos from the all the people you insist he has nothing in common with, selling “Aryan invasion” merch, and grifting and he should definitely stop commenting about Catholic theology. You are right though that reading a book is the solution. Doing so would’ve made what I said here perfectly clear in less than an hour.

>>17305016
>mocks others for having blind faith while having blind faith in "science"
wew lad

Is there a single argument in this thread other than some christians being mad he, a known pagan, didn't show enough reverence to their religion? what a sad thread.

"Paganism" is just so fucking gay on the face of it. There's maybe some admirable things to respect about the Vikings and such but its hard not to look upon them and their beliefs as just chaotic nonsense of dirty savages--not much different than the disgusting Hindu pantheon of many-armed gods and the like.

>>17305701
>contrarian fourchinz alt-right fuck kikes cultures
STJ and Golden One do, sure, but Styx and Varg most certainly do not.

>>17305715
>neopaganism with a sort of hair-brained Traditionalist take
I don't know enough about him to know if his specific religions beliefs are "the PIE were literally singing Ride the Tiger in poetic form" or just "neoplatonism+evola+wotan".

I would completely agree with you and >>17305385 that he's trying to both be an academic and promote his own personal religious and ideological views while at the same time doxxing himself while being subject to the People's Caliphate of Bongland and that this just doesn't work out. I don't endorse the grift, but honestly I can't blame him because there are morons who apparently pay for this shit (fuck if I know why, it'd be cheaper to just make your own PIE PRO shit)

>>17304769
Try and actually educate people when you get the opportunity, assuming you actually know what the fuck you're talking about. Don't worry about retards you don't even know

>>17304769

Pseud rolls downhill anon. Nothing you can do about it.

>>17305752
Yes, the argument is that it’s not true that there is no theological or intellectual tradition in Catholicism. That’s obviously not true. I don’t know how you missed that.

>>17305752
Also, the thread is about pseudo-intellectual YouTubers generally, not a takedown of this one person and his ideas specifically. You seem to be the one who is mad in order for you to have totally glossed over that.

I remember reading an article about the decline of poetry, and how even an instagram post is technically 'poetry', and how this form of poetry is preferable for the population, hence the old poetry is discarded. The same goes for philosophers, we have self help now. It's not a good thing, it's a result of democracy.

>>17305784
>STJ and Golden One do, sure, but Styx and Varg most certainly do not.
Varg talks shits about the (((ones))) (he quoted them like that in his videos). Varg might be to old for for fourchinz but he (was) still uses memes from here (well 2016 meme). Styx might not be openly talking about the kikes but all his beliefs are pretty similar from the others politics, philosophy and books.

Honestly when I think of it we all have the right to be wrong and I don't want to shit on them but they said stupid shit and they are full of themself.
But you seen to know about them. I have question. Back in the day Varg or TGO visited oneanother and then they planned to make videos together but they kept radio silence and they never talked to each other again and many videos. What happened?

>>17305752
One of my wife's family members put down Jedi as his religion on the census and I told him that Jedi is not a religion and he's taking the piss and he reckons that he shouldn't talk about religion with me.

>>17305871
>Back in the day Varg or TGO visited oneanother and then they planned to make videos together but they kept radio silence and they never talked to each other again and many videos. What happened?
I have absolutely no idea. Honestly, from what I know of Varg, it's possible that he sperged out and Golden Meme just got left in the dark, or that the entire thing was just a ploy from the beginning to cook up more drama for the Varg Soap Opera. All of these guys are entertainers, and receive just enough compensation to justify doing this with their free time, but Varg is definitely in deeper. He's essentially selling the ability to live vicariously as a crazy racist forest pagan with a hot wife through him. This isn't to say his wife is hot, but rather that's part of the product he's selling.

>>17304893
It takes time and work to build a cult.

>>17305871
>Back in the day Varg or TGO visited oneanother and then they planned to make videos together but they kept radio silence and they never talked to each other again and many videos. What happened?
The meeting was a joke, as they made clear afterwards

>>17305016
Logical Positivism died 70 years ago loser.

>>17304828
What are the most quintessential nothing new under the sun works? Is there such thing, or is it just instinct?

The only thing worse than mawkish e-celebs are the unbelievable faggots who desperately mien their hour-long videos for little crumbs of self-worth.

>>17306274
it comes from Ecclesiastes

>>17305016
You can do 'science' in your head for free even without language if you are smart enough. There's no real meaningful distinction between science and non-science, just as there is no distinction between nature and non-nature. I don't believe its the job of a well reasoned man to sit down and labor through calculation for calculations sake. It will come to him when it needs to through some mechanism of fate, and it will be right.

>>17305016
>anime image
>midwit take
>green strawman
OPINION DISCARDED

>>17306289
Yes I know, but is Ecclesiastes the only work one should ever read?

>>17305086
Are pagans distributists like Catholics?

>>17306374
No, they're massive faggots, like Catholics.

Is STJ not a good source on Indo-European topics and beliefs? He seems very knowledgeable especially as it concerns the vitalist worldview.

>>17305032
Where was this?

>>17304769
>report the latest peer reviewed info
>get called a pseud of lit

>>17307516
no he's a dumb /pol/tard

why is this a /lit/ thread with 87 replies and not a youtube comment

>>17307993
why?

>>17304769
He's an unironic neo-nazi pagan folkist who fancies himself an anglo-saxon despite not knowing Old English and being 1000 years removed from AS society and culture. His videos on norse mythology and indo-european society especially are filled with bullshit he literally just makes up and his substantiation is based on conjecture, outdated scholarship, and the assumption that EVERY single belief or practice any indo-european society has ever had is tracible to the original PIE tradition.