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17293036 No.17293036 [Reply] [Original]

hei /lit/ i just read this piece of shit and i liked it but i has some doubts i'd like to disqs it

why did naoko kill herself?
did she ever love toru? why she got wet only that time?
why did kizuki comit sudoku?
why did reiko and toru have sex?
what did the ending mean when toru says he doesn't know where he is

>> No.17293351

pls respond

>> No.17293798
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>>17293036
Why call it a piece of shit and then assert that you like it, OP? Are you afraid to admit to openly enjoying something on this Syrian spear-making forum?

>> No.17293813

>>17293036
Literally a harem anime in book form. Every Japanese novel I’ve read has been full of anime tropes. I guess anime got them from the novels but it’s still obnoxious

>> No.17293852

>>17293036
>why did naoko kill herself?
She suffered from prolonged depression and ultimately followed through on her long held desire. She was, after all, in what amount to little more than a looney-bin.

>did she ever love toru? why she got wet only that time?
The way I read it was that she was more or less emotionally numbed by the death of her boyfriend. I wouldn't say she was indifferent to the protagonist, but her feelings were fundamentally limited to a mild affection. That's what made the one instance in which she got wet significant - he had made her feel again.

>why did kizuki comit sudoku?
It doesn't really matter why he did it. Moreover, not even his friend or girlfriend could understand why.

>why did reiko and toru have sex?
It was more an act of comforting one another over a shared loss. The 'piano lessons' story still sticks out to me now, years after having read the book.

>what did the ending mean when toru says he doesn't know where he is
It has both a literal and figurative meaning. He literally doesn't know where he is at story's end, but there's also a feeling of being lost resulting from him losing what had kept him anchored to his past.

>> No.17293900

>>17293036
Been a while since I read it, but I'll try my best since you asked nicely.
1. She probably always had an underlying vulnerability for full-blown depression that occurred after her boyfriend killed himself. She was depressed for a lot of the book after all.
2. I think she did love Toru, and wanted to see if that love translated to romantic love, although it did not as she only got the hots for him when he wanted it and not her. So yes to love, but more in a platonic friend way I figure.
3. idk, if it isn't in the book then the reader isn't meant to know his exact reasons.
4. Because Toru is a chad. (Maybe she just wanted young dick, maybe it was her way of showing affection and love, maybe it was to wash away the sexual misfortunes of her past)
5. Because he really doesn't know where he is in his life. He was deciding between where to go for school, which of two women to choose, and then a player 3 in the form of a milf shows up to complicate things further. He just finished wandering around the countryside and doesn't know where he is mentally anymore. And frankly, this sentiment Toru has about being lost can be carried back to the beginning of the book as it's evident he still hasn't gotten over Naoko since a fucking Beatles song made him have this flashback in the first place.

>> No.17293909

Do you have explanations for everything that happens in your personal life? Why should a novel have them?

>> No.17294289

>>17293813
Just don't read Murakami or Light novels, you ignorant fuck.

>> No.17294401

Why call it a piece of shit if you liked it? The only people here that don't like murakami are newfags from reddit who should be shot anyway

>> No.17294424

Murakami is trash, holy shit.

>> No.17294437

>>17294401
Based Murakami enjoyer. You a fan of his short stories as well?

>> No.17294455

>>17294401
>The only people here that don't like murakami are newfags from reddit

Patently false.

>> No.17294465

>have lesbian sex with little girl
>"It's her fault bro she seduced me"
what did murakami mean by this?

>> No.17294492

Doesn't it basically boil down to if you kill yourself you leave a lethal legacy of depression behind in the world?

The problem with this being Mookie's most famous work is that people read it first and assume all his books are just like it. In fact it's a deliberate departure from his normal magical realist style.

>> No.17294501

what's the deal with nagasawa? was he a psycho? are there real people like this?

>> No.17294539

>>17294437
Different anon but I always thought his stories work far better as short stories. Norwegian Wood was an expanded short story and I believe the best parts of his novels are the more anecdotal parts, Wind-Up Bird is full of them as is Kafka on the Shore.

>> No.17294666

>>17294501
I don't think he was a psychopath, but he was definitely an arrogant narcissist.

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>>17293036
Murakami books are intentionally confusing and open ended. It makes the reader feel smart, but there's actually no deeper meaning for the most part

>> No.17295504

>>17294539
I agree, and I think The Elephant Vanishes is pure kino. The Kangaroo Communiqué, Sleep, and A Slow Boat to China are some of the better ones imo.