/lit/ - Literature

>>17291011
Maybe photography? An origami board? A little graphic design for the electronically-oriented ones?

>>17291011
no joak if you want to bang an art hoe mention Klimt 70% will coom on the spot.

>>17291011
I'm gona fap to this

>>17291011
unfortunately /lit/ is the closest thing to an art board we have, and 80% of posters are artlet plebeians who think painting peaked with 19th century romanticism.

i (like deleuze) am a fan of high modernism.... pic related, it’s willem
de kooning.

>>17291039
>i (like deleuze)
Undergraduate moment.

Bump try to make one for years also post art and architecture related literature.

>>17291039
Cool, I will check him out.
The most plebian opinion is that contemporary art is degenerate, when there are so many interested painters alive today.
Picrel is Kiefer.

>>17291044
I’ll have you know I have multiple (useless) graduate degrees.

Wow, this thread is really enlightening on how Reddit 4chan has become. There IS an art board on 4chan. No I won't help you find it.

I fucking hate all of you. Why couldn't you just have stayed on Reddit.

>>17291039
It looks a fat black lady that fell over but your GPU is so shit that she hasn't even loaded yet
Is this valid art analysis?

>>17291039
It looks like ecstasy shit

>>17291073
Nigga /ic/ is a shit board, not for the discussion of serious art.

>>17291053
What are your go to publishers for art books? I only have Taschen books so I'm interested to know about other possibilities.

>>17291102
Phaidon has some good titles. Moma, Whitney and some of the private galleries release good art books from time to time. The Whitechapel Documents of Contemporary Art are an excellent series. Pic related are a few of my art books.

>>17291039
what's that? agarwood!!

I'll just sometimes bump this with random images I have saved.
I really like this kind of, almost surrealist, photos.

>>17291163
Check out actual surrealist photography: Man Ray, Dora Maar, Meret Oppenheim. I don’t really like Dali that much but he has a lot of talent. For film, check out Léger, Dreyer, Lang, Deren, Frampton.

>>17291133
Nice books anon. I have been thinking about getting the Tarkovsky one for quite some time, might go for it on my next purchase.
I have looked at Pahaidon and it has some cool architecture books too.

> tfw no manic magyar figurative-abstractionist painter gf

>>17291185
Thank you! I enjoyed Antichrist for its experimental, surreal psychological horror. Do you have something similar to recommend? I don't watch movies very often so I don't know where to look for them. (The idea of Begotten is great, but it was executed too poorly, something like that would also be great)

I also really like Samori, cliche choice, I know.

>>17291039
>artlet plebeians
>posts something uglier than a turd

>>17291340
If you don’t understand how “ugliness” can be beautiful, you have no taste, and also you live in a dreamworld where the 20th century never happened. I find this piece (‘Reclining figure’) very beautiful. It speaks to the undoing of the body. De Kooning was a classically trained sculptor and painter so he could make muh anatomically accurate figures. But he chose not to.

>>17291340
You see a turd, i see torments.
>artlet plebeian

>>17291354
>ugly is beautiful because glowniggers said so
Enjoy your trash

>>17291039
WOW SO RHIZOMATIC

>>17291340
The total harmonic relationship of beauty is absolutely irrelevant to aesthetics or the human experience of art in time and space.

>>17291408
Fuck off pseud

>>17291340
What do you think of geology anon?

>>17291340
>>17291385
>>17291419
Kys

>>17291039
This is probably his only remotely good piece.

>>17291340
>>17291385

>>17291430
Dilate and glow

>>17291071
>gum on wall
WOAHH FOUND ART DUUUDE

>>17291011
Sounds like something you should post on /qa/ faggot.

>17291439
>shit taste
>redditor
Go back

>>17291419
Check em

>>17291442
Go wank off to Der Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer for the 41th time you tradcuck shit taste redditor LARPer

>>17291354
>If you don’t understand how “ugliness” can be beautiful,
Its not, beauty is about order and symmetry, what you describe is the feeling of either the sublime or the grotesk. We have more then on word to describe a phenomenon so no need to make weird paradoxical statements.

>>17291102
>/ic/
Outed yourself newfag, the answer was /d/

>>17291439
Still life is based, Cezanne painted true art

>>17291354
It's not just ugly. It's empty. Devoid of anything. It's like a crumbled piece of paper. But you wouldn't call that beautiful art, would you? Because if you would that either 1) makes you an ultra-pseud or 2) means we can take every piece of art ever created and just piss on it.
"Beauty in ugliness" is in masterfully crafted dissonant music (Deathspell Omega and/or Elend), in violence which surpasses the veil of flesh...
Beauty is deceptive, but the idea of an art piece is nothing if it's crafted with unexperienced hands (De Kooning might be a masterful sculptor, I don't know him or his other work, we're strictly speaking about >>17291039, as the "experienced" refers to craftsmanship of a specific piece).

>>17291439
Art takes at it start the nude human form, this grounds it in reality, both of those are examples of lesser art.

>>17291481
>"Beauty in ugliness" is in masterfully crafted dissonant music (Deathspell Omega and/or Elend),
Please be bait

>>17291039
My favourite de Kooning was done by Rauschenberg.

>>17291492
You're an idiot.

>>17291475
>trad
>reddit
Seethe
Dilate
This is why there is no art general. Liberal marxists will never understand art. No one wants to look at cancerous turds

>>17291481
>metalfag thinks he's an authority on art
metal is music for children and barely qualifies as art

>>17291503
A scientist would love a cancerous turd. It may be a key finding in our cure for cancer.

>>17291354
Based
>>17291340
Cringe

Is Twombly the ultimate artlet filter?
>inb4 my kid could do that
No, and neither could you.
>>17291495
Nice.

>>17291436
‘The Clam Digger’ is nice as well.
Keep in mind these are cast bronze. The amount of labor and technique that goes into producing these works is Herculean.

>tranny samefag thread
Don't you have piss bottles and estrogen charts to sell as high art

>>17291522
It’s about 6 feet tall. I’ve seen it in person, it’s quite a striking piece.

>>17291513
Worse than a kid. Even a retarded kid would make something better

>>17291513
>no background

>>17291527
>tradfag still seething
Shouldn't you be praying to save EVROPA from da jooz or something?

>>17291529
seethe

>>17291513
I can appreciate the balanced composition and choice of color but beyond that, it simply doesn't appeal to my taste. There is nothing wrong with preferring representational art.

>>17291551
What does this represent?

>>17291528
It looks like a minor villain from a childrens cartoon show. Mudman.

>>17291536
You dont really like art. Its just a big scam.

before modernism pretty much everything was insufferable kitsch.

>>17291542
Imagine failing to fit in with a bunch of losers

>>17291561
Hopper's work deals with the isolation of modern man, but the definition of representational art is that which refers to something in the real world as opposed to abstract art.

>>17291578
What does Hopper have to do with your experience of the painting? Does it represent Hopper?

>>17291569
You are a posutring LARPer and should kys immediately

>>17291551
To each their own, fren. Art is subjective (well, subjectivity made objective). To each their own. Have a Henry, he’s generally thought of as moore accessible to the average viewer than de Kooning.

One of my published short stories deals with the modern inclination to regard anything as art. Got an honourable mention in a contest. Honestly, I just wish people had a healthier appreciation for classical methods and didn't fall into the trap of regarding QUirKy or RisQuE things as art just 'cause they're weird. There's common ground to be found.

>>17291585
No, it doesn't represent Hopper. I suppose what you're driving at is the experience of the piece is more important than whether or not it is abstract or representational, but many people simply do not connect with abstract art in the way they can with real-world scenes that they can relate to their life in a concrete way.

>>17291513
>>17291011
Picasso said something like it took me five years to paint like Raphael nad a lifetime to paint like a child.
He painted picrel at 14.
No one invested in art and who understand conceptualism wants to do away with 'muh western culture'.
I have seen retards say things like we have alredy overcome Rembrandt, but what they don't understand is that Rembrandt, Michelangelo or Velazquez are literally impossible to overcome, they are insuperable masters, that's why art needs to go open new ways and try new things. Kandinsky and Picasso are on the same level as those mentioned before, just on a different wavelength so to speak.
That's why people like Roberto Ferri are entirely uninteresting. Who gives a fuck about the 'new Caravaggio' when we alredy have one that did the same things (but better) 450 years prior to him?
Why would I pay any attention to Ferri when I have spent so much time admiring Caravaggio, Voutet, Gentileschi or Ribera?
Basically for anyone who knows anything about art all those 'traditional art defenders' are nothing but clueless clowns.

>>17291604
We already have hundreds of years of art made like that pseud, it's almost like people want to see something different

>>17291596
I'd prefer de Kooning to be frank with you.

>>17291608
So they can connect with the isolation of man but not actually being isolated.

>>17291011
>small tits, big thighs, curly red hair
wow you really know what I like

Listen to this album and thank me later

>>17291615
Fuck me, forgot the pic.

Eat The Bugs
Consoom Glow Art
Date A Tranny

>>17291616
Way to miss my point entirely. Enjoy your shit cans and your bubble gum walls, you utter buffoon.

>Eat The Bugs
>Consoom Glow Art
>Date A Tranny

For me it's Richard Diebenkorn. Other favorites are Thiebaud, Anders Zorn, Sorolla, Sargent, and Kokoschka.

Bontecou gang here

>>17291039
This may be the best argument against degenerate art I've seen.

Miroslav Medek, anyone?

>>17291655

>>17291658
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>>17291648
This should be beautiful according to your standard.

>>17291481
Its ironically really hard for metal (or any refined musical piece or genre) to be ugly because its too technical and contrived. Outsider music is probably the best contender for beauty in ugliness.

>>17291674
It actually is, I can't think of a better representation of a /pol/ LARPer

>>17291664
Tranny listens to shit music too. Who could have seen this coming?

>>17291673
Why are you posting reddit memes like they'll have any impact here?

What do you think about Ai Weiwei.
I personally like him a lot, but not gonna lie, that Ming vase shit really touched a nerve for me, and not in the good performance sense.

>>17291689
Name your top 5 compositions from each period starting from Medieval up to late Romanticism.

>>17291698
>CONSOOOOMMMMMMMMMM

Since no one asked, here’s some ‘outsider’ metal that approaches the grotesque-sublime quality of art.

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=0FCOH_unCoU&feature=share
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=l3fHmJaIBBQ&feature=share
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=91kwdlJpA-w&feature=share

And a Szapocnikow to show I’m not a pleb.

>>17291708
>OMG WESTERN CULTURE!!!!! WE MVST PRESERVE WESTERN ART AND TRADITION!!!! EVROPA!!!
>DES PRES, OCKEGHEM, BACH, MONTEVERDI, PALESTRINA??? WHO THE FUCK ARE THOSE??? PUT ON SOME LED ZEP!!!

>>17291697
I like the sunflower seeds.
His refugee shit was kind of cringe.

>>17291664
Honestly I find it way too hard to get into.
I can't seem to get the more experimental jazz currents.
This is my go to album.

>>17291508
Very mature of you to disregard every argument because you don't like something that I consider to be sublime. Besides, I never said I listen to metal. Let's hear what you, the big boy, listen to.

>>17291439
Only morons call the top art "bad," and it's really on the highest level of its own movements, while the examples at the bottom don't even correspond to what most people who reject late modern "art" idealise, that is Neoclassicism.

This is and has always been a disingenuous image except when used against /pol/tards.

>>17291475
You can say what you want about Der Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer, but at least it means something. At least it's trying to communicate something beautiful. The shit you posted is just garbage. It's just utterly meaningless. I don't see why you have to be a "tradcuck" to want meaning in your art.

>>17291733
What would you consider >‘outsider’ metal that approaches the grotesque-sublime quality of art?
I believe that only Deathspell Omega truly reaches the sublime in every way, but I'd also recommend (in no specific order)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QyQNvDt8Jk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFgcjOk_zxY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkI_5y8ZFP4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-A5HwxML88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mmP_00mJP8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5PrlWgX82I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqfki-hSO1M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukHDbxO0-c0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmKj0NBFmm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6orA6shXUU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXRXE_vwlmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8TEfdb-0Bo

99% of metal I listen to is avant-garde black metal so I might be biased when talking about other genres. I like what you posted (except maybe the vocals for Antediluvian, I really don't like death metal (although I thoroughly recommend Portal and Teitanblood, but they're honestly more inspired by avant-garde black metal)).
I'd be too long to say something about all of these (and I'd gladly), but music should speak enough for itself. But I sill want to say just a little bit about Leprous Vortex Sun (which is an obvious attempt to surpass DsO) about their beautiful aggression which sadly lasts too short (but maybe the prevalent monotony is done on purpose? I'd understand that, but how much of an excuse it that really?). Which is an often case with a lot of bands that try something like that. First few songs are great, but it quickly falls in quality, and that's just sad.

Almost none of you I can actually trust with culture now. I felt fear in my heart when I first saw this thread, because I thought "how are they going to have good taste? This isn't a board devoted to literature where they develop good taste and understanding of the artform, this should be something private in which I never have to see, don't bring it here because it will only degrade that level of literary quality in which we have developed and followed." And of course, most of the examples in the thread, are horrible.

But there is one thing which can save you! Consider it personal taste, without reducing all art valuation to "me likely, me no-likey," taste, then you are saved from your bad judgement in the plastic arts.

And to be clear, I like both modernism, and most before it, but there's a lot of shitty modernism that people get too caught on that is due.

Almost none of you I can actually trust with culture now. I felt fear in my heart when I first saw this thread, because I thought "how are they going to have good taste? This isn't a board devoted to literature where they develop good taste and understanding of the artform, this should be something private in which I never have to see, don't bring it here because it will only degrade that level of literary quality in which we have developed and followed." And of course, most of the examples in the thread, are horrible.

But there is one thing which can save you! Consider it personal taste, without reducing all art valuation to "me likely, me no-likey," taste, then you are saved from your bad judgement in the plastic arts.

And to be clear, I like both modernism, and most before it, but there's a lot of shitty modernism that people get too caught on than is due.

>there are people in this thread that will defend Pollock

LMAO

Any good books/ documentaries on modernism?

>tfw no art bf

>>17291937
My man literally everyone who will defend Mondrian, Giacometti or whatever you find to be shitty mornist art will be extremely familiar with those who you would consider the best artists.
Ihave been posting contemporary artworks to try and start an interesting discussion, but we can talk about hte old masters too. They are not mutually exclusive.
Pic related is one of my favorite paintings, seeing it in real life was one of the most exhilarating experiences I have had relating to art.
That doesn't mean I can't also love Hopper, Picasso or even Alÿs.

>old = good
all look like shit. get some actual taste instead of trying to one up each other on who likes the oldest painter.

>>17291937
>>17291990
Fucking hell, pic related is this

>>17291011
There's several drawing channels on 4channel where this is better suited and where you'll find more expertise.

/ic/
/gd/
etc.

>>17291264
If you like that stuff and Samori especially, then check this out. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj-Buf5mXNY

I think true art lies in intimate human relations, and nothing worthwhile in life can take its source from anything other than this.

>>17292068
Ah shit, I remember that. He kinda looks like my middle school teacher (at the beginning, obviously).

>>17291102
Hi, i don't know a lot about publishers don't have enough money to do so i guess.
But you should go to library's specialised in art books they will have great stuff.and also you may just look by artists and find old catalogues.

But i wasn't talking about this. I wan't artist books like delacroix journal or rodin testament.


And this board is full of plebs that think that they are superior bcs they like to read

>>17291011
Thank u m8
I've been saying this all along
I've a hard time believing 4channel has gone this long without a devoted art board, it makes no bloody sense.

>>17291911
virgin music for virgins

>>17292256
Does that make you feel confident, big boy

>>17291011

>>17292247
Thanks for what? Look at this fucking thread. Everybody should be shot in the back of the head.

>>17292247
Very beautiful

>>17291911
Honestly black metal of all recent genres has one of the best claims to being art. I'm not a fan of any other kind of metal, it often feels silly, but it's different here.

>>17291011
I will repost two posts I've made last week which touch on points related to contemporary art in general - which in my opinion is in very good state. I recommend some artists in order to prove my point. Here it goes:

I stopped paying so attention to "traditionalism", which had seemed somewhat seductive to me at first, after I begun investigating contemporary art and realized that it is in extremely good shape.
With the exception of classical music, which looks half-doomed, half-great, thanks respectively to atonalism, and minimalism/neoromanticism/poly-stylism, the other arts are doing rather well.

>novel
Vargas Llosa, Krasznahorkai, Houellebecq, Javier Marias, McCarthy, Pynchon, Fosse, Lobo Antunes, Peter Handke all belong to the great tradition of the novel and are still alive. Antunes is not inferior to Faulkner, nor is Krasznahorkai much less psychologically dense than Kafka, or Houellebecq less groundbreaking in his exploration of "forbidden" themes than D.H. Lawrence or Flaubert. It's only the fact that they are our contemporaries that makes us see them as automatically "inferior".

>poetry
Adunis, Ko Un, Zagajewski, Simic, Carson are alive. And let us remember that Geoffrey Hill, Heaney and Bonnefoy died only a few years ago.
Poetry has seen better days, such as in the age of Pound, Eliot, Lorca, Montale and Pessoa, but it's by no means in bad condition. Furthermore, it's untranslatable, so great poets take longer to become noticed. How many of us can judge contemporary Russian, Norwegian, Greek or Hungarian poetry? Maybe the country of Krasznahorkai also has some great living poet, but we haven't heard of him yet because translators aren't up to the task... I know that in my own native tongue there are some great poets that are virtually unknown to those who can't read it.

>painting
We have the great neo-symbolism of the Nerdrum school, Anselm Kiefer, Gerhard Richter, Peter Doig, Michael Borremans, Paula Rego, and many interesting photographers. Lucian Freud, Andrew Wyath, Kitaj and others died not long ago.
Painting is doing well. Perhaps better than it was doing in some of the 18th century or in some of the 19th, when all people did was to copy others and try to imitate the masters (although there were always exceptions - such as Piranesi, Blake and Turner).

>cinema
Werner Herzog, Sokurov, Bela Tarr, Jean-Luc Godard, David Lynch, Paolo Sorrentino, Jodorowsky, Terrence Malick, Polanski have all released works in the past decade. I have a feeling that cinema might actually be doing worse than it was during the golden age of the 50's, 60's and 70's, when we had Bergman, Fellini, Antonioni, Buñuel and others releasing masterpieces every year. But that was really a golden age, and therefore necessarily an exception.
Still, it could be worse. It isn't doing badly. There are also some Asian directors who are really good and younger, such as Apichatpong Weerasethakul (don't ask me how to pronounce it).

1/2

>>17291585
It represents a man in an office. Are you retarded?

>>17292304
Hell, I wasn't supposed to post the screenshot, since I am rewriting a few things. Anyway...

>sculpture
I know very little about sculpture, unfortunately, so I can't really tell. Among the neoclassical there is Alexander Stoddart. I also like the Irish sculptor Rowan Gillespie.

>theater
I know very little about theater. Perhaps most of it moved to cinema. Still, Tom Soppard and Peter Handke aren't dead yet. And there is that Tony Kushner guy whom Harold Bloom admired.

>classical music
Gorécki, Penderecki, Raautavara, Ligeti, John Tavener all died within this century. Arvo Part, Philip Glass and Steve Reich are still alive.

When you come to think of it, our high culture is in great condition. As for the lower cultures, well, they have always been lower. The average person was equally mediocre in 1950 as he is today. Only they substituted a perverted, puritanic version of Christianity for a more hippiesque worldview.
So why go back to tradition when our culture is producing so many profound, original and interesting artworks?

2/2

Does anyone have other recommendations?
Contemporary artists are really hard to find, so it's good that people share their names on threads such as these. We can discover new things for us to contemplate.

Posting some works by the artists I recommended.

Anselm Kiefer.

>>17292331
Odd Nerdrum.

>>17291439
>Cezanne is trad
Fortunately for us all, genius on his level eludes categorization.
>>17291876
They're not interested in art, never mind Western culture, for anything except its use as team emblems or indicators, and may as well return all the way to monke and be done with it if stadium sport and other such diversions no longer operate for them as they once did. Of course there are plenty of other tard types, but at least those aren't as tiresomely warlike in their approach to everything in life.

>>17292304
The 18th century had some wonderful painters you haven’t mentioned, with styles dependent upon but wholly worthy of the Renaissance greats. Gainsborough and Constable’s landscapes are sublime, Chardin is unrivaled as a genre painter. I understand disliking the sentimentality of the Rococo though, Boucher and Fragonard can be hard to take seriously. But in some ways the joy of it is that it’s the only time in human history where art exists solely to have fun.

>>17292339
Paula Rego.

>>17292354

>>17292304
Good taste anon.
It is impossible to miss this overarching feeling of the devaluation of art in social media, but if you are familiar with the medium and bother to study and understand the different currents you can see we are not in a bad place.
Most of the people with this mindset only contact with the art world through the outrageous news of Cattelan taping a banana to a wall.

>>17291011
nobody paints anymore
it's dead

>>17292396
One I didn't mention: David Inshaw.

>>17292354
is that supposed to be good? fucking ugly ass painting

>>17292396

absolute>>17292339
garbage

>>17292407
Graham Ovenden, who's a convicted pedophile, but regardless of that a very fine user of interesting color combinations.

HOW THE FUCK IS THIS LITERATURE?


>>17291011
FUCK OFF

>>17292321
There are a lot of seriously forward-thinking musical movements out there too if you don't limit yourself to classical. Not sure if we can easily call it high art, though it's hard to say what the bounds for high art even are anymore. In the 19th century some artists would disagree with the claim that paintings of peasants constituted high art, yet we've accepted them as art now completely. It helps though that it looks like high art. My hangup here is that it's hard to define what should count as art now when the entire point of art in our society has changed, and doesn't quite mean the same thing anymore. It made sense 200 years ago because social values and art were aligned on the same axis. When we can no longer state things in terms of universal social values, it gets hard to say what art should be IMO.

>>17292415
I represents an abortion. Anyway, I love it. Specially the strong yellow contrasting with the background, as well as the very ambiguous expression - of absence of thought? of contempt? of examination into something in the floor? - on the face of the woman.

The fact that you consider it ugly... Well, I consider Michelangelo's females even uglier. What gives?

>>17292418
Why?

>>17292421
Gerhard Richter.

>>17292443
It reminds me of a cheap ass imitation of Lucian Freud. The real "meat" of the subject is kept away from the viewer. Cowardly, not art.

>>17292472
i am talking about this >>17292354 sorry for the muddled posts

>>17292443
Michelangelo’s females aren’t by any means sexy, but to call beings imbued with so much sublime power ugly?

>>17292467
Neo Rauch.

>>17291011
I really like Manet and Impressionism. I loved brutalist in architecture but it has become a meme so I’m now inclined to bauhaus post ironically. I don’t really like cubism tho.
Idk what’s the current movement, I’ve seen a lot of Dadaism or realism on thrash. I like shit that has a style similar to the character portraits in Disco Elysium.
Man I just read my post and I sound like a fucking snob

>>17292405
Wrong

>>17292467
Beautiful.

>>17292304
Fun fact: in Peru we acknowledge MVLL as a literary genius, but an idiot in general; mostly because of his views on politics, but also because of some commentaries he has given on other authors.

>>17292472
>>17292479
Imitation? That woman is almost as old as Freud. And do you want her to show that actual dead baby? That is an option, of course, but she clearly wanted to focus on the woman. It is a stylistic choice. It's as if you were complaining about Euripides not showing Iphigenia turning into a deer. Or Michelangelo not showing Goliath's head below David's foot. They clearly didn't intend to show any of that. Stylistic choice. An artist is free to limit his subject to what he wishes to show.

>>17292489
I believe that Rego's women have a deeper psychology than some of Michelangelo's women.

>>17292304
>I stopped paying so attention to "traditionalism", which had seemed somewhat seductive to me at first, after I begun investigating contemporary art and realized that it is in extremely good shape.
Unironically enough, I think you just discovered traditionalism, instaid of rejecting it, what do you think will be traditional 7k years from now.

>>17292539
Now, a photographer: Sebastião Salgado.

Anyone here knows about good photography books?
Not of a particular artist, but an essay about it's history, the relationship with paintings or it's consideration as an art.

>>17291615
(Sorry for shit english)
I understand but I like my masters.
I didn't see any until I was 10(only a few.(I did go see them when i was 17))
When I did draw before I never thought it could be this good, I love what they did doesn't mean i will do the same but whatever "new" thing I do is by the passion they gave me.
Wasn't michelangelo new? Wasn't Raphael manet rambrant leonardo new?
Did any man did what Rodin did?
All man since Adam draws but rambrant Raphael and tintoreto did it like no man ever did it.
This was new, not my art hoe's painting done with my sperm.
I wish one they I will do a great painting and that Velasquez will tell me i was a good boy in Painters Valhalla.
If i do anything good i may show it to you.

>>17292793
***I wish one day I will do a great painting and that Velasquez will tell me i was a good boy in Painters Valhalla.***

All contemporary posted here are shit.
So i show you the work of a geat men, Jean francois debord. He was a marvelous morphology teacher in paris, now its in YouTube.
His painting looks very nice but there aren't many online.
I wonder what happened to him and where i could see his art

>>17292913
Didn t find i good quality

>>17292926
I am in a jumping bus can't write sorry

and outlet for art discussion is the last thing we need, talking about art only debases it

I know this is a long shot but anyone got any recommendations for a book on the history of theatre?
So far I've only found The Oxford Illustrated History of Theatre and Theatre Histories: An Introduction, but there's got to be something better.

>>17291039
looks like diarrhea to me

>>17291439
Cezanne is a high post-impressionist, and he was essentially a gateway to the development of more contemporary painting. The "RETVRN TO TRADITION" bs you're thinking of is someone like David or Ingres, who although working within a modernist framework, were considered to be "neo-classicists." They were the tradaboos, attempting to emulate more renaissance styles of painting.

>>17291439
but thats a portrait of mussolini

>>17292991
I know it's not exactly what you asked but I found the Shakesperean Stagd by Gurr to be an extremelly good overview of how theatre worked in that era.
I think you will probably find better books if you search for specific times and countries.
I remember reading one about the Spanish golden age a long ago that was extremely good too, but it was on Spanish and don't remember the title.
>>17292975
This is a baseless asumption.

>>17292301
black metal is mostly a low skilled genre for rifflets, theres a reason antifa trannies invaded that scene and not death metal

>>17293224
>t. only knows about early second wave Norwegian black metal
Your baseless knowledge is also contradictory to itself as black metal is (for whatever fucking reason) often considered nazistic (is that a proper word?). How did you get to antifa?

>Black metal is art

>>17293255
Nigga I'm not impressed with dissoshit if that's what you mean by black metal beyond the second wave and if you don't know the RABM scene in the US then your ESL ass hasn't been paying enough attention.

>>17293313
>RABM scene in the US then your ESL ass hasn't been paying enough attention
Holy shit! I don't care!

>>17293302
Kek

>>17291011
What actually is the consensus on Klimt in the art world? I've heard people shit on him as poppy and hackish. Some dude even told me he's mccdonalds box tier. I always found him mesmerizing and highly evocative, and one of the artist I've instantly connected to without studying art.

>>17293531
Vienna calling.
I'm more of a Schiele fan.

>>17293531
I personally find his Danae to be the most beautiful depiction of her myth in art history.

>>17291733
last good post ITT

Christ, some of the people in this thread seriously lack self awareness. Metal discussion doesn't belong in this thread and I say this as someone who's been a metal fan for nearly 20 years.

>>17293224
Riffs are boring, it's not the 70s anymore

>>17293689
Metal is better than most of the shit posted.

>>17293689
I assure you, I can have a much better discussion about Deathspell Omega than anything that will ever be posted in a thread like this. Nobody wants to have one with me, but still...

>>17293786
Regardless of how you may feel about the art posted in this thread, Metal is primitive, bonehead music for nerds and doesn't really deserve to be seriously scrutinized in a thread discussing art. At best it's a sort of folk art (maybe not the best term to use), and I suppose if you feel the need to discuss it in that context then you might as well, but I categorically reject any attempts to elevate Metal to a higher status than it deserves. It is not high art, nor will it ever be. It's fine the way it is and doesn't need justification.

Metal is so unbelievably gay. Literally the poor man's 'hardcore' and 'disturbing' music. 'epic' bullshit to homosexual melodramatic gothic poser manchildren.

>>17293870
And it will outlast traditional art. Get bent

>>17293903
>metalhead is a massive retard
right

>>17293903
bruh

>>17291481
>"Beauty in ugliness" is in masterfully crafted dissonant music (Deathspell Omega and/or Elend)
bro you know that band constantly namedrops degenerate modern artists as their influences right

>>17293922

>>17292321
>Arvo Part, Philip Glass and Steve Reich are still alive.
+ Norgard, Gubaidulina, Saariaho, Haas, Cerha, Frey, and countless others.

>>17291696
Who's the guy in the hat and why's he the only other figure with his eyes turned up toward heaven

>>17291648
This is your brain on memes

>>17291750
Listen to Sun Ra.

>>17292339
Not very good

>>17291018
fpbp, can't fucking believe the thread didn't end here