/lit/ - Literature

>>17274222
Really?
Anything more about her?

>want to establish an antisemite colony in Paraguay
>cucked by the BIG YERBA MATE

>>17274222
She looks magnificent.

She married someone who was not, shall we say, known for grovelling philosemitism. When she died, a certain ex-painter attended her funeral.

I wonder: if I went back in a time machine, would she would let me have a flask of her bathwater?

>>17274222
The fact that she was a nazi means that N’s philosophy should be rejected - S. Pinker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as_de6nzvY8

>>17274222
she grew up without a father and it shows in her eyes. Imagine what a freak she was in bed

Hmm apparently she was (at least partly) responsible for Nietzsche breaking up with Lou Salomé. Well done Elizabeth, I'm liking you more and more by the minute.

>>17274531

Would the girls selling their bathwater today have been nazis under the rights circumstances? Must ask the fundamental questions here

>>17275339
>Lou Salomé
What a cuck

>>17275346
Woman is a liquid: she assumes the shape of her container.

— Roosh V

Daily reminder that Nietzsche's aunt knew that Friedrich and Elisabeth were partaking in wincest.

>>17275354
And based little sister Elizabeth put a stop to all that nonsense. Exactly my point. She probably made him stop fapping too.

>>17275369
Is this true?

Damn, Nietzsche's sister looked like THAT?!?!

>>17275369
Really? Or is this just some 4chan fever-dream?

>>17275381
I claimed her first. Just imagine what fun it would be hiding under her skirts like the bloke at the start of The Tin Drum.

>>17275369
that story was made up by some retard who would write such stories about every well known writer of his time. Then a lot of writers (Joyce, Hemingway, Faulkner, Fitzgerald among them) wrote an open letter to denounce him.

>>17275346
They are aestheticians, so yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuHA8LwMHAo

>>17275406
Yeah but I bet Joyce, Hemingway, Faulkner & Fitzgerald all had really ugly sisters. Not like Lucky Little Friedrich.

>>17274222
didn't she write will to power? were her writings any good?

>>17275415
More? Or will I get banned?

>>17274222
Intense eyes.

>>17275346
most already are in private

>>17275380
Lost to history. The only thing we know for sure is that she was quite tsundere.

>>17275354
At Nietzsche Haus in Sils Maria they sell postcards with Lou and Paul removed.

>>17275380

>>17275383
Of yourse it is, keep dreaming.

>>17275406
While "My Sister and I" wasn't written by Nietzsche himself, it is now certain that the author (who wasn't the guy you're talking about) must have been an intimate friend of Nietzsche. This is mostly due to the fact that in the last years many of the speculative assertion contained in that book have been confirmed by resurfaced private correspondence, which is to say: the author knew things about Nietzsche that were not known by anyone else up to a few years ago (the biggest thing, and it is mentioned in the wiki page too, is Nietzsche's affair with Cosima Wagner, which was not even a matter of suspicion up to a few decades ago).

Read Walter K. Stewart's two essais for an overview on this matter

>>17275436
Best way to get diseases while remaining virgin, way to to anon. Gotta get those diseases and maintain purity.

>>17275440
Did she remove them?

>>17275446
>Roth
hmmmmmming intensifies

>>17275446
This has been debunked like 15 years ago. R9th is not the author of My Sister and I

>>17275446
(((Roth)))

>>17275440
Why not just swap Nietzsche and LS round in Photoshop? That's probably how N would imagine the situation. "When you visit women, do not forget your whip!" and all that haha

>>17275457
You wouldn't get any diseases from Fraulein Elisabeth's bathwater. It probably cures a range of maladies and acts as a general tonic as well.

>>17274222
Just looking at her I can tell she's a cunt you'd think would be a Psycho in bed but really just pins you down for rhythmic cowgirl and that stare quickly becomes creepy instead of hot and the sex is actually terrible.

>>17275486
That's not how I'm going to write it in my Mason & Dixon-esque historical novel about Elisabeth's clandestine life as an international woman of mystery.

>>17275486
nah

>>17275485
KEK no thanks, don't feel like turning into Drohnemensch.

>>17275474
The passage with the whip was inspired by the mental whip Nietzsche has felt by women his entire life.

All of his philosophy is just one big cope: With the early death of his father (hate against god and christianity), with his learning (he was an ancient philologist) with his dominating mother and sister, with his sickness.

>>17275486
nah bro

Imagine Elizabeth Nietzche catches you rifling around in her corset draws. To punish you, she ties you naked to her bed and begins tickling you all over with her long, sharp, manicured fingernails - wiggling her fingers under your arms, dragging them down your sides, digging into your belly, scritching between your thighs, under the knees, and worst of all, spidering them up and down the soles of your feet. She ignores all your cries for mercy and smirks at how weak you are. After she's bothered your nude and helpless body in this manner for perhaps an hour, she begins, wickedly, cruelly, to flick her deadly nails round your groin, to wiggle them under your balls, under your arse, and finally, in a terrible crescendo, starts climbing them up your stiffened cock - with you bucking and squirming in ticklish agony all the while - until her wiggling talons of torment scale the very tip, the sensitive peak of your manhood, at which point you burst, in a tremendous explosion of cum.

>>17275563
I'll bite her fucking fingers off her hand.

>>17275572
That will teach her to not mess with Philosophy.

>>17275563
Wow, just imagine. That would be awful.

Would she berate you for staining the pristine purity of her crisp severe black dress with your filthy discharge?

>>17275563
I can hear her sharp and cold german laughter.

>>17275563
>>17275593

Thanks for reminding me why I come here guys.

>>17275593
Yes and she would whack at your (still pulsating) penis with her fan in disgust and annoyance before retreating behind her folding screen to change out of the very expensive dress you soiled, you impertinent little rat, you schweinhund.

>>17275611
Shit smut paragraphs about random people? Unironically? This is not even that great, you could definitely cut and past another name there and would work just fine.

>>17275642
Well hello there Mr Roth. Still bitter after all this time, eh?

>>17275361
This. Women have no thoughts of their own. Their are programmed by the whoever is in power.

>>17275636
The worst part would be when I visited her brother later in the day and he saw the red imprint of her hand on my cheek and smiled sheepishly and said "So, I see you've met my sister, then?"

>>17275486
Virgin

>>17275689
After which you would go out drinking with your german fencing fraternity? up left over the barrel

>>17275738

>>17275636
>>17275611
>>17275598
>>17275593
>>17275563

>>17274222
lick that cunt and asshole so sweet

>>17274222
Why is she so based, bros?

>>17275486
Older guys will tell you never to stick your dick in crazy, but what they don’t tell you is that crazy will suck your cock like the world is about to end.

>>17275642
Sarcasm is difficult to convey in words sometimes.

>>17274222
m-mommy

>>17275853
That is hard, considering the amount of coomers on /lit/

>>17275850
Tonguing her sweet little ass and hearing her moan out in german then fuck her so good and loving that flower in her legs smelling it deeply

>>17275937
>>17275945
Screencapped this one lads. Probably the funniest thing I've seen on this board in a long time.

>>17274222
This woman was trash
>Jealous of safeguarding the originality of her brother's thought, it is also known that she expunged from the Nietzsche Archive the references to the study of the philosophy of Max Stirner and his annotations to the novel The Demons, by Fyodor Dostoevsky, of whom Nietzsche considered himself an admirer and akin.
>She had a crucial role in promoting his brother's writings, but distorted part of his philosophy, especially in the edition and dissemination of a large group of his posthumous fragments, The Will to Power. In the 20th century, Mazzino Montinari demonstrated that this book was a mystification, with serious interpolations and theoretical deviations, which tried to legitimize the political violence of Nazism with a will to power alien to Nietzsche's intellectual legacy, a manifest hostile of the anti-Semites.

>>17276070
i think you mean based

>>17274222

>>17274650
That fact that Pinker was associated with Epstein means his work should be rejected.

>>17275937
>considering the amount of coomers on /lit/

Man, we're all bored as fuck. Society is shut down, and there's no outlet for this kind of thing. It's also not that weird for guys to shoot the shit about women and sex or whatever. You retards are among the few people I get to talk to on a daily basis anymore.

>>17276354
Yes, anon. But still, just get to pornhub or something. I mean, I try to keep things separated, does that make sense? As in turning /lit/ into a wordy version of pornhub commentaries seems a bit pointless. But that is just me. Maybe something decent gets out of all this.

>>17276366
>As in turning /lit/ into a wordy version of pornhub commentaries seems a bit pointless.

We do it because it's funny, because we're bored, and because it gets a reaction out of posters like yourself.

>>17276366
I know what you mean, anon. I actually didn't use to fap at all before I got on the chans etc. Even if you're on the worksafe boards you'll find plenty of porn on any given day.Triggers my dormant instincts. Very inconvenient. Might end up just quitting the internet desu.

>>17276495
This seems a bit of a radical approach, but I'm thinking about quit writing on social media. The level of discussion is too shallow and it is easy to miss the point. I get more and more convinced of it as I read letters and epistolary novels.

>>17274222
I would fuck his sister in the ass, lovingly

>>17276514
I am probably going to quit social media overall. I might start an online journal or something, but that would be that. It's okay to put your stuff online but I see no reason to engage with people online anymore. Browsing has too many negative effects on my life. This place is really the only good forum I know of and I feel like I've picked everyone's brains here about everything important already anyway, so might as well just fuck off entirely.

>>17275390
based and schlondorffpilled

>>17275503
write that shit mein neger.

>>17275354
The fascinating thing is that Neetch comes across as a third wheel but the other two become known mostly by association with Neetch.

>>17275354
>Salomé's mother took her to Rome when Salomé was 21. At a literary salon in the city, Salomé became acquainted with the author Paul Rée. Rée proposed to her, but she instead suggested that they live and study together as 'brother and sister' along with another man for company, and thereby establish an academic commune.[5] Rée accepted the idea, and suggested that they be joined by his friend Friedrich Nietzsche. The two met Nietzsche in Rome in April 1882, and Nietzsche is believed to have instantly fallen in love with Salomé, as Rée had earlier done.

>you want another man? i know just the guy!

>>17275563
Damn, I didn't expect to have Lizzie involved with my fetish this way.

>>17275425
More even if you get banned

Bros, what if she was a tranny? I would suckle that petite Prussian she-cock from here to Leipzig.

>>17274531
Yet another illustration of the second laws of internet dynamics : eventually every topic ends up rewritten within the conceptual framework of lewd anime girls.

>>17275456
>Nietzsche's affair with Cosima Wagner
Tell me more!

I enjoy these accounts of Neetch from Cosima's diary: http://www.thenietzschechannel.com/bio/cosima.htm Apparently Neetch had a vegetarian phase.

>>17276562
That would probably be reddit, anon. The main issue with it is moderation and its 'like/dislike' system. Most people who actually do something are there, but they are too conditioned by its system.

>>17276562
but the glorious shitposting, lad!

>>17275503
>that whole premise
Kek I earnestly hope you go through with it anon.

>>17276720
The amazing thing is that she ended having a similar effect on Rilke years later.

>>17274222
she cute

>>17276862
There seems to be a particular sort of woman who's good at bewitching high-achievers. The classic example is Alma Mahler, who married Gustav Mahler, then when he died she married Walter Gropius (famous architect) then she wore HIM out and married Franz Werfel who was a fairly famous poet. Not sure she was anything special objectively. She does seem to be quite beautiful, as far as one can tell from old photographs. Maybe she was not stupid either since supposedly she helped Mahler with the orchestration of a couple of his symphonies (that might be feminist exaggeration but I think she did).

>>17276910
It is just that they didn't really had much options back then, anon. Educated women were a reasonably scarce thing back in the day and that is the reason why most non-modern writers think that women are intellectually inferior.

>>17276366
If somebody wants to get their rocks off picturing erotic scenarios with long-dead historical figures, who are you to silence or judge them?

>>17276933
Specially if you consider the fact that most of them were peasants (literal sense of the word).

>>17276803
>04-08-71 Prof. Nietzsche departs, after making the children happy with a green snake.
He gave Wagner's children a pet snake as gift?

>>17276948
Is that a "green snake" or an actual, you know, green snake?

>>17276941
I don't care really, anon. But this seems the kind of thing that I could easily make myself. And I'm sure most anons are also able to. I would definitely be ok with people making a thread and putting their own pics of random people and creating their own fabrications out of them.

>>17276957
I'm the quoted anon. This is so recurrent that I think it is even justifiable to make a thread about it.

>>17276957
>>17276969
Sure, why not?

>>17276955
I don't know what "green snake" is code for.

A toy?

>>17276807
Reddit is even worse, half the posts are about sex and the nature of the website makes it inevitable that you are always one click away from a huge selection of porn.
>>17276827
True, that's pretty fun, but I should probably just read moar and give the straight edge shit another try instead.

>>17276957
Would such a thread be a sticky?

>>17277029
I would be happy with such a sticky if it took all coomer retarded obvious posts from threads. Any thread with a women photo, subject or whatever turns into a shit mass of coom.

>>17276803
>06-24-78 R. reads some of Nietzsche's latest book [Human, All Too Human] and is astonished by its pretentious ordinariness. "I can understand why [Paul] Rée's company is more congenial to him than mine." And when I remark that to judge by this book N.'s earlier ones were just reflections of something else, they did not come from within, he says, "And now they are Rée-flections!"
cringe

>>17277055
Sending coomers to the sticky thread would be reasonably comical too. >>17277029 I see what you did there.

>>17274222
Test

>>17277081
did it work, faggot?

>>17276070
yes, but what really happened?

>>17276933
Not sure educated women were that rare in the bourgeois and higher classes in the 19th century, but sure they wouldn't have had close to the education of their husbands and lovers (on average). It's all a matter of personal standards from there.

>>17277948
In Philosophy, anon? As in the same level to be able to discuss with avant gardists? At least in Brazil, Philosophy departments used to be dominated by men until recently.

>>17277087
Yeah I got a reply from a retard

>>17274650
>Intermarriage between groups means the offspring have the character of both forever - Pinker
>3 marriages only to other Ashkenazi
>>17276163
Do as I say, not as I J

>>17275563
>Make your homes on volcanos[of come!]
All pleasure wants deep eternity

>>17276720
>Zarathustra’s simp

>>17276910
>>17276933
Race horses need a jockey, bulls need spurs

bump

>>17276803
>http://www.thenietzschechannel.com/bio/cosima.htm

Very interesting. Seems like Cosima and Nietzsche had such a lovely relationship until their falling out, and even then Cosima apparently kept caring about him (she was visibly a very based woman). Also sheds light on how leisurely and suffused with high culture the lives of higher-class people at the time could be, and especially on how enormous and influence Wagner was on young Nietzsche. Wagner, as expected, comes off as a genius but also quite a self-absorbed cunt at times.

Some things that apparently never changes:


People accusing opponents of madness:
>Prof. Nietzsche tells me that in Munich a Dr. Puschmann, lecturer at the university there, has just published a paper in which he proves psychiatrically that R. is mad.
People condemning wrongthink even among family members:
>an all-but-angry interchange with Ottilie [Brockhaus, Wagner's sister] concerning Prof. Nietzsche; she is so bound up in university ways that she talks about the book The Birth of Tragedy without stopping to consider that N. has jeopardized his whole career for the sake of her brother, and that it is therefore insensitive of her to pass on to us the contemptuous and libelous opinions of the top academics. I see from the sentiments of W.'s sister toward her brother's most loyal supporter how even the warmest heart can cool when it is constantly confronted with power!
Jews:
>In the evening we are visited by Dr. Rée, whose cold and precise character does not appeal to us; on closer inspection we come to the conclusion that he must be an Israelite.
Schizos:
>A visit in the evening from our poor friend Hagen, who, in reply to my calm questioning, seriously maintains that a 4th-dimensional being is upsetting his mind.
Germans sucking their own dicks:
>When I come down to supper, [R.] says, "I have been pursuing philology." He has looked to see how the passage in which Luther translates the word "barbaros" as "undeutsch" appears in Greek, Latin, English, and French—French the least felicitous with the abstract word "barbare," which is also so ambiguous, the English somewhat better; but Luther is splendid!
Intelligent people being snobs (but also kinda perceptive):
>We reflect how few people really read Shakespeare, and in this connection think of Nietzsche, whose strange character we sum up by saying that he possessed no real intelligence, but could be magnetized.
Nietzsche being /fa/:
>Then R. comes back to Nietzsche, observes that the one photograph is enough to show what a fop he is, [Probably referring to a photograph of Nietzsche (wearing a fur coat, hat, scarf, and gloves) that Nietzsche sent to Cosima ca.

And finally:
Cosima Wagner turns out to be the precedent incarnation of Harold Bloom:
>Read Cosima's 1871 reply, criticizing Nietzsche's pose in the photograph.] and declares him to be a complete nonentity, a true example of inability to see

>>17277978
Yes that's what I'm saying, bourgeois women could be quite educated and tasteful (Cosima Wagner displays superior taste and refinement throughout all extracts above) but couldn't compare to men in terms of formal or effective education. To sum up, women's education was geared to please, entertain and elevate, men's education was designed for action, creation and competition. De Beauvoir explains it quite well in The Second Sex, that's also why an educated woman would often lose argument against her rabble-roused husband, despite her superior education, she would have been educated in refinement, not in argument and rhetoric.

>>17278378
>A visit in the evening from our poor friend Hagen, who, in reply to my calm questioning, seriously maintains that a 4th-dimensional being is upsetting his mind.
>>17275503 should add this as a plot point in his novel

>>17275459
>Did she remove them?

No. The museum at Nietzsche Haus sells postcards of that photo with Lou Salome and Paul Ree removed as a kind of joke for people who are familiar with N's life (the white part where the cut out is is part of the postcard). They also sell postcards of the original photo untampered.

>Coffee with Prof. Nietzsche; unfortunately he vexes R. very much with an oath he has sworn not to eat meat, but only vegetables. R. considers this nonsense, arrogance as well, and when the Prof. says it is morally important not to eat animals, etc., R. replies that our whole existence is a compromise, which we can only expiate by producing some good. One cannot do that just by drinking milk—better, then, to become an ascetic. To do good in our climate we need good nourishment, and so on. Since the Prof. admits that Richard is right, yet nevertheless sticks to his abstinence, R. becomes angry.
It's actually quite funny since I believe Wagner eventually convinced Nietzsche to eat meat, but then when Nietzsche became an omnivore again, Wagner became a moral vegetarian.

Wagner was ridiculously naive:

>A Paris newspaper announces our marriage in very dignified phrases, a Herr Beckmann protests against ugly rumors. R. laughs, embraces me, and says, "Oh, yes, you are being gossiped about with me." Then he takes Siegfried in his arms and plays with him for a long time; to me he says: "We shall have to send Siegfried away; when he is approaching manhood he will have to meet other people, to get to know adversity, have fun, and misbehave himself; otherwise he will become a dreamer, maybe an idiot, the sort of thing we see in the King of Bavaria." "But where?" "With Nietzsche—wherever Nietzsche is teaching—and we shall watch from afar, as Wotan watches the education of Siegfried. He will have free meals twice a week with Nietzsche, and every Saturday we shall expect a report."

>>17278567
<The german Spleen.

>>17278506
He ripped up the photo. So it's an homage to that.

>07-29-70) Spent the morning with Prof. N., R. reads passages from his essay on Beethoven, I am surprised I can follow it so well, since I have never studied philosophy. After lunch Herr N. introduces his sister to me, a nice, modest girl.
>11-14-70) Prof. Nietzsche sends back Beethoven, remarking that probably few people will be able to follow R.
Was Nietzsche retarded?

>>17278624
What was the deal with Nietzsche and women anyways? He was a famous intellectual, passionate and rebellious to boot. Women are naturally attracted to that sort of thing.
Was it the syphilis or what?

>>17278685
He wasn't that successful during his life. By all accounts he was overly shy and modest. Lou was his oneitis, he proposed to her four times but she wanted to be a liberated sloot instead. So he was pretty lonely and brokenhearted.
He visited brothels occasionally. He might have been bisexual too, there's no confirmation.
>syphilis
No confirmation, just speculation.

>>17278685
>Women are naturally attracted to that sort of thing.
They only care if it brings them money and fame. Philosophy isn't in either of those businesses.

>>17276797
why is it always sisters

>>17278824
>They only care if it brings them money and fame.
Not true, considering how many women bad boy deadbeats get. He must have been seriously off-putting in person as >>17278706
said.

>>17278851
>Not true, considering how many women bad boy deadbeats get.
"bad boy deadbeats" aren't "intellectual" or "passionate." Rebellious, sure, but that's where the similarities end. An intellectual rebel is not a bad boy deadbeat.

>>17278685
>He was a famous intellectual, passionate and rebellious to boot.
Not really. He was a shy scholar who had retired as a professor of classics because of ill health. He wasn't wealthy or famous. He was intellectually passionate butnot the type to sweep a woman off her feet.

>>17278875
>"You know, it`s a funny thing: I`ve noticed in my classes that a lot of young women are drawn to Nietzsche (an irony that he would have found delightful, I`m sure!), just as a lot of young men are impressed by Dostoevsky. There`s also the factor of religion: those who are comfortable with religious structure often prefer Dostoevsky. And then people who like the idea of rebellion tend to find themselves attracted to Nietzsche."
https://bloggerskaramazov.com/2018/08/22/nietzsche-meets-dostoevsky-interview/

>>17278851
>seriously off-putting in person
I really doubt this. All the accounts of hiim I can find suggest he was extremely friendly and charming once you got to know him. The Cosima diary quoted in this thread bears that out. She says from the start how pleasant he is. That's the word she uses constantly.

>>17278915
>She says from the start how pleasant he is. That's the word she uses constantly.
>tfw Cosima basically called Nietzsche a nice guy

>>17278657
>a nice, modest girl

HATERS BTFO

Elisabeth Nietzsche confirmed as a sweet-natured angel, as if the photograph didn't make that obvious from the start.

>>17279001
*drone demon

>>17278685
>He was a famous intellectual

He was only very moderately famous during the portion of his life where he was still functioning normally. His extreme fame occurred after he became catatonic and then after his death.

>>17278851
>He must have been seriously off-putting in person

Most accounts of him by others describe him as a rather polite person.

>Lou was his oneitis

This was the problem. Obsession and desperation are a serious turn off to women.

>>17279032
She was frigid, wasn't she? As in seriously medically asexual. Presumably Nietzsche knew or guessed this and that's why he fell for her — she was completely saf; there was no danger of an actual relationship.

>>17279005
A sweet-natured angel but with the promise of bubbling depths of passion once you win her confidence.
Any red-blooded man would deep-fry his left arm just for a chance to hold the door open for her.

>>17279120
*rip her fingers off before she ruins her brother's work

>>17279128
I can tell you've fallen under her spell and are desperately overcompensating. Don't worry, anon, your secret is safe with me. I don't even mock you for it. I applaud your taste.

>>17279134
No, anon. She unironically fucked Philosophy by setting it back a lot of years, when she messed with her brother's work. Nietzsche is one of the most 'modern' old philosophers. People had to rediscover him.

>>17279154
Her funeral was attended by the Emperor of most of Europe!

>>17279204
And do I fucking care about some Emperor of whatever? Did he wrote anything worth my time? This is a /lit/ board, anon.

>>17279154
*decades

>>17279212
Mein Kampf is a pretty important book.

>>17279251
It is shit. Fucking toiled paper, anon. Compare it to fucking Nietzsche's work. You will probably unironically not be alive to see the next big thing in Philosophy because of this woman and her husband. I'm not happy.

She grossly hacked at his writings in publishing “The Will to Power.”
> For example, Elisabeth removed aphorism 35 of The Antichrist, where Nietzsche rewrote a passage of the Bible. Indeed, Mazzino Montinari, the editor of Nietzsche's Nachlass, called it a forgery.

>>17279267
>Compare it to fucking Nietzsche's work.
I like it compared to Nietzsche's work still. It is an eye an interesting figure, and the actions of his life.

>You will probably unironically not be alive to see the next big thing in Philosophy because of this woman and her husband. I'm not happy.
But this is ridiculous. This era of philosophy found its way irrespective of anything Nietzsche's sister did, maybe like five to ten years her actions had something of a negative effect on the actual development of philosophy. But the "next great philosophy" as you call it, or what should really be called the next era of the world's history feeding into necessarily every respect, not a mere intellectual recognition, will come when it does either way.

>"Philosophy will not be able to effect an immediate transformation of the present condition of the world. This is not only true of philosophy, but of all merely human thought and endeavor. Only a god can save us. The sole possibility that is left for us is to prepare a sort of readiness, through thinking and poeticizing, for the appearance of the god or for the absence of the god in the time of foundering [Untergang] for in the face of the god who is absent, we founder (repeating the same with a different translation:); so that we do not, simply put, die meaningless deaths, but that when we decline, we decline in the face of the absent god.Only a God Can Save Us."
>"For us contemporaries the greatness of what is to be thought is too great. Perhaps we might bring ourselves to build a narrow and not far reaching footpath as a passageway."
- Heidegger

>>17279343
KEK imagine being a retard.

>>17279343
Late Heidegger turn into poetry was as retard as Newton turn into religion.

>>17279410
>>17279422
Cope.

>>17279538
Yes, exactly. They couldn't handle it and started coping.

>>17276070
>oh so everything is a spook, Stirner? Guess your philosophy is too, I'll just go ahead and delete that

Owned lmao

>>17276070
idk man seems like a scapegoat to make nietzsche academically acceptable and put everything bad on his ebil sister. otherwise he'd have been purged because of nazi association.

>>17277978
>Philosophy departments used to be dominated by men until recently.
yeah and all the women that replaced them are retarded. unlike them, 19th century women had proper education and had valuable intellectual contributions.

>>17278583
Nietzsche as a young man apparently was very bright and highly impressed Wagner, so it made sense at the time. He couldn't have known the man is going to literally lose his mind.

>>17279766
>otherwise he'd have been purged because of nazi association.
It's this. Can't blame the scholars for pinning it on his sister though when they were actually just trying to make sure Nietzsche's entire bibliography wasn't erased from history.

>>17Save me anon, I'm simping for Nietazche's sister. Just imagine being under that huge puffy dress, Osamu Dazai style. I am a sick man.

>>17276070
I feel like Nietzsche would’ve admired dostos craft but hated his christfaggotry

>>17279818
No, lol, I meant about this whole elaborate way of raising his son in general. Only an artist could imagine such a thing for his boy.

>>17280168
He loved his Christianity, he said he learned much from him particularly in representing something the opposite to what he typically believed. Unironically Nietzsche admired his Christianity and respected him not even as adversity, but as friends who must do different things but love each other much.

>>17280252
Source?

>>17280234
I think I would be naive in the same sense then, since his whole plan he had appealed to me. There was another entry in Cosima's diary about him planning to teach them the Greeks, German philosophy, etc. I'm afraid I don't see what's wrong with that.

>>17280234
Doesn’t seem that unusual for the time

>>17275970
Kek

>>17274222
Slut physiognomy

>>17278685
He was an unironically an incel. It's just that he was intelligent, but you now how it goes...

>>17274222
she looks like she'd beat be up and rape me for being a jew

>>17280677
My own heart, you must believe.

>>17281506
Ah fuck you. I knew it sounded too gay to be true.

>>17281471
>applying modern morality on 1800s
Incels didn’t exist back then

>>17281513
>too gay to be true
Nietzschean, don't you think?

>>17281539
an incel is any man who wants sex but cannot get it. the phenomenon has existed forever, but only recently has the term itself come into being.

>>17281539
>He thinks 'incelism' is morality and not a societal disposition emergent from its own physiology
ngmi

>>17281471
>>17281555
Nietzsche went to brothels with Wagner and probably had secret trysts under the olive trees with golden-skinned honey-eyed Mediterranean youths on the south coasts of Italy...

>>17281555
It is not that hard, anon. The hard part is to not have sex while being out there. Most people don't make it. I didn't.

>>17281569
Goethe lost his virginity in his 30s allegedly
Modern pornography and over-bureaucratization of social interactions has created incels

>>17281555
He wasn’t an incel

>>17281609
This. The term incel and the stigmatization of virginity only make sense in a post sexual liberation world.
As one anon once said:
>When being a virgin is worse than being a whore, that's when you know it's time for war.

>>17281617
There are no better or worse, anon. This whole thing was probably made up by an anon anyway.

>>17275424
She didnt Nietzsche did, she just finished compiling the book from Nietzsche notes.

I remember buying it at the library at 16 bold with beard all in black with boots.
And the dude explaining to me how it is the nazi version of the other books.
But well its a nice way where his idea where put.

>>17281626
The stigmatization of virginity is a cultural phenomenon that transcends the internet, anon. It was not "made up".
One of my exes best friends was a 30 y/o virgin who never had a boyfriend, and she was constantly given shit by her friends as the "virgin of the group". She was cute and naive and aloof, and she felt like shit about it, as if she was somehow "inadequate".

>>17281671
Yes, but it is fucking retarded. I lost mine and it is not like you change in any way, anon. I'm the same shit.

>>17281678 I'm the quoted anon
I won't say that I regret it, because I would probably doubt what I just said if I weren't. But it is not that great sensation wise. People overreact a lot. The thing that might be great is those weird shit people do. But no girl does that, unless she is literate in such a things or she is a pro (the real good kind of pro, as in the one anons probably can't afford). And even then it is just a sensation, it doesn't really matter. You are probably better with porn. This is a bit sad, but it is what I think.

>>17281701 I'm also the quoted anon
You are probably better with porn, instead of maintaining a relationship just for the sake of sex.

>>17281701
>>17281707
It's not about the physical pleasure of the orgasm, it's about the validation it provides. It is the "social proof" of your value in the sexual market, so to speak.
If you're a virgin, it's as if you're "out". As if you haven't gone through this rite of passage essential to be part of our culture. You must be able to prove you can attract a member of the opposite sex and have them willing to go to bed with you.

>>17281766
It is not validation of anything. Read my >>17281678. Even after you lose it, continues to require the same amount of effort, anon. That is how relationships work. You put effort into it. Definitely not worth your time, because it is a commitment, anon. Do you feel like doing shit that you don't want to do to keep a relationship? I feel like being by myself doing my own thing. Definitely better than having someone bossing me around.

>>17281785 I'm the quoted anon
Just look how boomers make jokes, anon. About being married and whatever.

>>17281785 I'm the quoted anon
Freedom is so underrated these days. People take it for granted.

>>17281785
>>17281801
>Definitely better than having someone bossing me around.
Your woman should never boss you around. She is your helper and your follower. That is her place and purpose in creation.
Boomers have been victims of social engineering and should not be your example of how things should work.
>It is not validation of anything
Look man, I'm not condoning what I have said in >>17281766 or >>17281671, just pointing out how it is. I started getting into relationships relatively late in life (22y/o aprox) and it absolutely changed the way in which people treated me.

>>17281766
Or whatever, I won't bother. Just go and see it yourself. Don't forget to use condoms because it is hard to remember. And don't do without it if she asks, this is fucking hard to refuse. But don't. This is my piece of advice.

>>17281831
Self-stem, anon. This is worth gold theses days. Don't let people put their value on yours.

>>17281831
>it absolutely changed the way in which people treated me.
i was a late bloomer too and I noticed a change in the way my friends talked to me after I finally started having success with women. it really is a right of passage, you're not considered a man until you've had a woman.

>>17281855
KEK do you unironically care about what other people think about you? They can call me boy when I have fucking 80 years old. But guess what, I'm fucking free.

>>17281855
Anyone can stick their dick into someone, anon. That is the easy part. The hard one is having children and raising them. I respect good parents, but other than that, it is just putting your dick out.

>>17281855
I'm not saying that I won't ever feel like getting into a relationship. But I definitely want to be with someone with the same aims in life, anon. The main problem is that I don't really know what I'm going to do. So it is pointless bothering about it.

>>17281839
These days I don't fornicate anymore anon. I converted to Christianity and have a Christian gf and we're waiting for marriage.
>>17281845
>>17281867
>>17281872
We're just pointing out how sick our culture is, not saying this is how things ought to be. The fact that there's young women out there who feel the social pressure to have sex in order to feel like they "belong" and are "not left out" makes me livid. I despise Hollywood.

>>17281897
Yes, you probably realize that it is not worth being with someone you don't really like it just to have sex. I'm not putting up with any kind of bs just because of it.

>>17274222
That's because he was a bitch boy that got smacked around by women his whole life

>>17281855
your friends are trash then. get better ones.

>>17281929
They are just immature, anon. But you are right, this is fucking retarded.

Is this the femdom thread?

>>17275346
>Would the girls selling their bathwater today have been nazis
Of course. This entire historical moment is just women collectively shit testing men, from the deepest depths of their collective unconscious. Every time we give in to their shit test, the brittle and fragile surface level consciousness is delighted, but the deep feminnie nature is enraged and wonders why we're not righting the natural order of things by supplying women with a natural order to embody.

Women are the bellweathers of the times by virtue of being amplifiers of all the worst tendencies of an age. When an age is given over to chaos they asymptotically approach primordial chaos itself in an effort to provoke the primordial act of masculine form-bestowal.

Anyway, any good femdom lit?

>>17281965
I smiled while reading this post. You brilliant bastard. Any recs?

>>17281617
Have you penetrated anyone yet?

>>17279267
>It is shit
Why?

>>17282672
It is an irrelevant book by itself, anon.

>>17282414
Yes, your whore of a mother.

>>17275486
>but really just pins you down for rhythmic cowgirl and that stare quickly becomes creepy instead of hot
following up so far
>and the sex is actually terrible.
nah, sounds great desu

>>17276070
virulent misogyny

>>17276720
lmao, poly-cucks before being a poly-cuck was even a thing

>>17278583
someone has the quote where Wagner and his wife make fun of Nietzsche's music?

>>17278685
he was an incel-tier edgelord

>>17279098
didn't she write texts about enjoying getting fucked in the ass?

>>17283028

Here's Nietzsche's piano music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYBwNcTeY7M

It's better than I expected (apologies N!) Obviously the work of an amateur, but nothing to be ashamed of. I wonder if Zizek or Chomsky could do as well.