/lit/ - Literature

>>17273708
Wrote a book and sex and a book on wine, also Wagner analyses

Start with reading his based articles opposing smoking restrictions in the British press followed, followed by reports of large bungs from tobacco companies.

That, by the way, is how to be a Conservative, hoodwink a bunch of gullible sexually frustrated people into thinking they're clever by voting against their own interests, whilst collecting cheques from the elite.

>>17273722
>conservatism is a psyop

>>17273727
>Conservative is a racket
Ftfy

>>17273741
Cope

>>17273727
>Conservatism is a racket
Ftfy

>>17273708
What a shit cover, once you open the book the arrow points towards the left

>>17273722
This

>>17273722
perhaps if conservatism necessarily entails being against smoking i don't see how thats a problem or if he was against it until he was 'bought out'?

>>17273755
You can stop now brainlet

>>17273722
>sexually frustrated
cringe hylic

>>17273708
>shameless lowest common denominator bait book title
nah im good

>>17273708
do conservatives ever stop looking for idols to worship

The hard thing would be to write a convincing book on WHY to be a conservative.

>>17273850
>>17273860
Triggered trannies

>>17273867
It’s the other who others whoever

>>17273860
Here I'll write one for you

>You have a lot of money

Done

>>17273873
Cringe pseud

>>17273876
how can i tell you're poor?

>>17273708
>How To Be A Conservative
The title of this book puts me off immediately. Why would you want to be a conservative, what's so great about today that's in need of conserving?
The only thing I think is worth conserving is our environment, and to do that requires some change.

>>17273722
>>17273755
>Scruton still upsets leftiests and shitty jounrnos
amazing man

>>17273889
>upset lefties
Is that all the appeal of conservatism? To antagonize lefties?
Seriously what's the appeal? The aesthetic?
I don't fucking get it.

>>17273885
>what's so great about today that's in need of conserving?
That's not what it means retard
>The only thing I think is worth conserving is our environment
Retard

>>17273898
>I don't fucking get it.

He's shit. His cultural critique is boomer tier and his positions on Kant don't engage any criticism that has been raised to him throughout the century. He starts with his conclusion and then just picks an argument to get there. No substance on why he wants to go there, whether he really gets there and at what cost.

>>17273898
if it was just that lefiests wouldn't have to resolve to faking interviews with the man
read book in OP pic and find out
highly recomended

>>17273921
Who are your favorite cultural critics?

he did a documentary on aesthetics

'why beauty matters'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHw4MMEnmpc

>>17273944
Literally 'babbies first opinion on art' the documentary. Do you get paid to post this?

>>17273899
>>17273907
>>17273933
What other role do conservatives play other than to push back against progressive change?
Conservatism is boomer tier, explain to me the appeal of conservatism. It's just cringe.
Liberalism with the "I love the church, I love classical music" aesthetic.

>>17273962
You have to be 18 to post here

>>17273944
Why are all the comments so cringe

>>17273936
Read John Berger - sorry in advance for him melting your 'i don't understand x, therefore its dumb and bad and I'm against it' brain.

>>17273965
What makes you think I'm under 18?

>>17273974
Your underdeveloped brain.

>>17273970
Conservatism is a magnet for cringe - look at all the young men who have lapped up the worldview of the boomers on the 4 chins.

>>17273962
>progressive change?
this implies actual progress and inherit goodness of it
is it?
>>17273962
>Conservatism is boomer tier
is it reallly?
read that book, the man willexplain himself best
>explain to me the appeal of conservatism.
there is no actual progress without roots as nothing grows without substance
if you know not your history you will repeat it
so we preserve and conserve to know and understand that which is yet to come

>>17273990
Conservacucks BTFO

>>17273971
It would be decent if you mark your post if you jump into a debate like that.
>not him but

>>17273990
>>17273995
imo true cringe lies in failure of progressivism to admit and understand it's own flaws
that is what pushed said man to conservatist ideas

>>17273984
Show me where you made a good case for yourself, all I see in this thread is you trowing some adhoms. That's fine or whatever, I'm just pointing out that conservatism is absolutely cringe.

>>17273991
You can study history without being a conservative. What a shit argument.
At least try to understand conservatism before you decide it's your team. Read Burke.

>>17274000
>failure of progressivism to admit and understand it's own flaws
>that is what pushed said man to conservatist ideas
I actually like this argument. The first one itt without seethe

>>17273991
>this implies actual progress and inherit goodness of it
>is it?
Well, we would have to take it out of the abstract and actually go over policies to really determine that. If I would take a popular example, like nationalizing healthcare, then that seems pretty good. Unless of course you sympathize with those making bank from privatized healthcare, which unless your bribed of course, is just silly.

>>17274022
>>17274001
Stop posting retard

>>17274022
>I would take a popular example, like nationalizing healthcare, then that seems pretty good. Unless of course you sympathize with those making bank from privatized healthcare, which unless your bribed of course, is just silly.
False dichotomy. I prefer private hwalth care because it provides better care at lower cost.
Also you habe not established why health is good

>>17274027
>Also you habe not established why health is good

>>17274009
>You can study history without being a conservative
you should study history without presumptions in general
which is failure of both progresives and conservatist these days
i'd risk thesis that progressives are worse in that regard as they very openly spit not only on common but their own history and knowledge in general
>>17274022
>nationalizing healthcare,
that is another flaw with prog ideologues imo
it's not just about "what" but also about "how"
is it going to be 100%? - that was tried under Lenin Stalin Brezniev and even Gorbachev, without much success

>>17274012
>A relatively original argument that makes me seem justified in my radicalised state where I can blame everyone else for my inceldom.

This is what white nationalists are after from their (fraudulent) Conservative intellectual daddies: copium.

>>17274032
>dude spelling error lmao
My point stands. Evolution ism't about you it's about your offspring. Creating great healthcare for old farts and migrants is of no benefit.

>>17274068
You didn't even try to match your strawman to the original point.

>>17274068
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>>17274027
>I prefer private hwalth care because it provides better care at lower cost.
I doubt that health professionals would become worse under public healthcare, in fact there are financial incentives to make you come back more often than to deliver proper healthcare under a private model.
>Also you habe not established why health is good
I rather skip over this philosophical debate

>>17274038
>it's not just about "what" but also about "how"
>is it going to be 100%?
Ideally yes, but of course this should be done in a pragmatic incremental way. We have to look at which country we are talking about. I guess a popular example would be the policies Bernie and AOC advocate for in the US.

>>17274068
>copium.
this implies inherit wrongness of supposed coping mechanism
either by virtue of wrongful aplication or incorect subject
if there are indeed, flaws ignored within progressive movement, it would not make for simple copium
rather said movement itself is pushing more rational people out of it - as to, irony, conserve it's ignorance and blidness to it's errors
very reactionary

>>17274083
>I doubt that health professionals would become worse under public healthcare, in fact there are financial incentives to make you come back more often than to deliver proper healthcare under a private model.
Here in Germany we have both public and private healthcare and public is demonstrably worse service at higher cost. Who do you think pays for all the health care of non working folk.

>I rather skip over the fundamentals
okay

>>17274083
>Bernie
too many visits to cuba for my tastes
cool place bet there again he praises policies there implemented and ignores grave errors
that bodes not well for his ideas
>AOC
she did in recent days turned out to be traitor to her own cause, with all being cosy with Pelosi and attacking "Force the Vote"

>>17274097
>Here in Germany we have both public and private healthcare and public is demonstrably worse service at higher cost.
Why is that? Could it be that there are some bad policies in place? Merkel isn't really a progressive, is she? What are the policies that for example Die Linke or SPD would like to implement?

>>17274141
How is she not?

>>17274141
>What are the policies that for example Die Linke or SPD would like to implement?
you wanna NRD again?

>>17274141
They want to abolish private health care to take people's Rücklagen (savings) to bolster public care. This isn't polemic that's their stated goal. Public health care is impossible to uphold

NHS is good. Seethe

>>17274141
>>17274175
>Why is that?
Because someone has to pay for all the non working peopme's health care. Do you actually understand what free health care means or do yiu just parrot headlines?

>>17274175
>Public health care is impossible to uphold
100% nationalised public health care sure seems to be impossible
then again complete privatization of health sector leaves gov without any means of influence

>>17274185
>NHS is good
i do not know what money are you betting on this but i've heard rumors it might go down
if so brit isles might be in a rough patch
>>17274186
>free health care
that's sadly what that name is
a slogan empty words which are catching way too quickly

>>17274156
Wait, are you really German? You're not telling me that you think that Angela Merkel, leader of the CDU, a liberal conservative party, is a progressive?

>>17274167
lol, why not? Obviously learn from its mistakes, no stazi that disappears you.

>>17274175
>>17274186
I mean, I think free healthcare is out of reach with how the economy is structured. Isn't health insurance compulsory for every citizen, you're already paying a fee each month right?

>>17273722
>>17273761
Still making retards seethe in his grave.

God bless Sir Roger Scruton.

>>17274215
>Isn't health insurance compulsory for every citizen, you're already paying a fee each month right?
Yes but in private insurance you only pay for you own bills. Plus competition brings out ever better offers to win more customers. If you really care compare private health insurance bills from the 90s to today.
Also in private insirance you can decide for yourself what aspects are important to you and which are not.
The only benefit of public health care is that you can hide welfare tax by pretending it's the worker's own insurance fee and not also that of 3 million non working.

>>17274215
>liberal conservative party,
you know that bit in the name only
or how nazi is simply an abreviation of national socialist?
>llol, why not?
NRD only existed in better form then other countries of soviet block cause USSR needed nice representation of socialist state for the outside world
as you pointed out it still had secret police
not only that it was country going against it's own law as it's constitution guaranteed free unlimited travel in and out of it
NRD still needed to put a wall to contain people in - it was this good of a place to live in
You seem to write in good faith so i implore you - read, conserve knowlegde of the ages past
else said ages reborn will come after you

>>17274254
>competition with private health insurance is good
doubt. Most insurance companies generate revenue in two ways: Charging premiums in exchange for insurance coverage, then reinvesting those premiums into other interest-generating assets. Like all private businesses, insurance companies try to market effectively and minimize administrative costs. . Overall expenses and wasteful spending could be better controlled through cost control and lower administrative costs under a single public health insurance system.
>3 million non working
create more jobs

>>17274256
The CDU is definitely liberal conservative, similar to the democrats in the US.

>>17273708
Chomsky likes Scruton. I like Chomsky. Will this book turn me into a conservative?

>>17274332
One way to find out. It's on b-ok.cc and probably one day worth of reading

>>17274325
Democrats in the US are not conservative nor liberal. You live in a world far detached from reality.

>>17274325
>doubt.
So you decided against my advice to compare insurance contracts from the 90s to new ones huh?
>Most insurance companies generate revenue in two ways: Charging premiums in exchange for insurance coverage, then reinvesting those premiums into other interest-generating assets. Like all private businesses, insurance companies try to market effectively and minimize administrative costs. . Overall expenses and wasteful spending could be better controlled through cost control and lower administrative costs under a single public health insurance system.
No. Public sector has no incentive to work efficiently and does not. The cold hard numbers say private insurance has better coverage lower costs and billions in savings while public coverage gets reduced regularly is more expensive and relies on subsidies.
>>3 million non working
>create more jobs
By reducing Lohnnebenkosten by not paying for other's health care anymore and freeing billions in worker's money for private investment. Glad we agree.

>>17273722
/thread

>>17274325
>create more jobs
you need more money for that, jobs do not form from thin air, equals more taxation equals more oposition - often from progressive circles
also national full control of economy (and health sector) failed behind iron curtain
you simply cannot control sector this gargantuan and complex with instruments of the state alone
>similar to the democrats in the US.
CDU was is and will be populist (might most populist party of europe) which is anthithesis to all conservative values
similary to dems and republicans - big club and you are not in it
>>17274332
will make you appreciate classic art more

>>17273722
>it's real
well damn

>>17273889
>>17274228
>I'm wrong but at least I'm smug

>>17273962
>Liberalism with the "I love the church, I love classical music" aesthetic.
You mean freedom with a view to attain Salvation and create/enjoy beauty? That sounds great.

>>17273722
>I know better than the average person what they should be voting for

>>17273990
>Just have casual sex with used-up whore, you'll be so happy, bro

>>17274415
How would a virgin know either way?

>>17274386
>https://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/philosopher-sacked-over-islamophobia-and-racism-was-a-victim-of-fake-news/
>https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/wheres-the-outrage-at-the-smear-of-roger-scruton/
if so how come george eaton (the shitty journo) working at the time for New Statesman did refused to release audio of interview with Roger Scruton?
full transcript for yours and every anon out there attention
>https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/04/roger-scruton-interview-full-transcript
pls explain and thanks!

>>17274408
You mean let the rich get away with murder whilst I waste my potential on soporific proverbs for feels whilst my kids get molested? That sounds bad.

How to be a cringe

>>17274439
>dialectics; leftists/communist progressive elites are not actually compromised of murderous rich elites

>>17273722
Seethe harder

>>17273722
>Muuuuhh you should organise based on classssss waaaahhhhhh nooooo don't be right winngggg!!!!!!
>You're sexually frustrated, you're an incel
>Sex money sex money sex money
Hahahahahaha every damn time

>>17273885
Nice bait

>>17274355
lol, you're a retard. Yes Democrats are liberal conservatives, sure they trow some liberal progressive gestures here and there but most of that is performative gestures. I guess you could argue that democratic party is showing an internal split with Bernies success and AOC and her squad entering the party.

>>17274366
>So you decided against my advice to compare insurance contracts from the 90s to new ones huh?
To be honest I don't know the intricacies of German health insurance, I'm from the Netherlands so I'm guessing it's similar. Sure you can maybe strip down your private health insurance bill to the bare minimum, but if you make an unexpected visit you'll probably have like €1000,- bill to pay at the end of the year. There have been studies done about health insurance, a single payer public health insurance works better, and be cheaper than a competing market.
>The cold hard numbers say private insurance has better coverage lower costs and billions in savings while public coverage gets reduced regularly is more expensive and relies on subsidies.
I blame Merkel for this, so should you.
>By reducing Lohnnebenkosten by not paying for other's health care anymore and freeing billions in worker's money for private investment. Glad we agree.
cringe

>>17274380
Giving tax breaks to the rich doesn't create new jobs, look at america lmao. You need government social spending.
>CDU was is and will be populist
lmao, no. It's literally a boring liberal conservative party.

>>17274022
>Making bank
Opinion disregarded yank faggot.

>>17274517
>yank
huh?

>>17274068
What is the lefts obsession with incels? Is it some hyper projection?

>>17274083
>doubt that health professionals would become worse under public healthcare, in fact there are financial incentives to make you come back more often than to deliver proper healthcare under a private model.

Kek. He doesn't know about the NHS

>>17274434
meds and bbc anon
Then try to explain what you're on about

>>17274461
Well done - you have taken the neoliberal bait. The left =/= Joe Biden, SJWs, feminists - these are all confected opposition that the system allows to stop you turning your ire against the oligarchs.

>>17274211
>>17274141
Because then the taxpayer pays for the healthcare of degenerates, scroungers, migrants and others who abuse the system. Not even touching upon the massive inefficiencies.

>>17274513
>I don't know the intricacies of German health insurance
>I blame Merkel
I take your opinion very serious.
>to the bare minimum
Reading comprehension. But anyways yes. Young and healthy shouldn't have to pay for as much coverage as old diabetic faggots.

Strange that you didn't procide those studies. I could easily provide you with proof that public health care is having higher increases in pay while getting less service while than private. Must be quite a good study if it can negate the basic premise that a system where you don't have to pay for someone else's stuff is cheaper than if you do.

>>17274537
He's talking about making journalists seethe, you retard. Develop some reading comprehension

>>17273708
I like listening to him and think he does have some good things to say, I agree with his disdain for modern art as art seems to have lost its way since the impressionists. I also like his takes on modern architecture. There was a good post about him a few weeks ago; basically he was the last man standing for a lost ideal (the British Empire and it's spiritual stepchildren).

>>17274576
Defends Empire (murder, occupation, theft on a grand scale) whilst defending neoliberalism (companies and profits placed above citizens, destroys the welfare state, turns a blind eye to tax avoidance, weakens trade unions, implements cruel austerity policies when the whole thing descends into fraud anyway etc) but somehow based because of muh Golden Age feels.

>>17274534
Blame Boris Johnson, Theresa May, David Cameron, and so on. You guys keep voting conservative, not to say that your labour party is in good shape though, but you literally done this to yourself.

>>17274551
Literally only a small portion of society that barely make a dent in the system.

>>17274560
https://www.healthcare-now.org/single-payer-studies/listing-of-single-payer-studies/

>>17274513
> I'm from the Netherlands
that close proximity to belgium explains your way of reasoning
>lmao, no. It's literally a boring liberal conservative party.
how can one ascribe liberal and conservative to something without knowing what it means?
this is part of progressive psychosis imo
since everything is mutable and everything changes meaning according to you - everything ends having no meanings
you spit on the idea of objective knowledge itself - so ofcourse you wouldn't know what in formal sense liberal conservative party should stand for
refuse to learn refuse to think refuse to see
esssentialy 1984 style defeated man
>>17274542
again you do not know what liberal means
so while in material sense you have some grasp of idea of neoliberalism in formal sense you know jack shit
Joe Biden entered office on wings of BLM le trained Marxists - this is how not left he is
let's see now how he reward his allies
heads up like every neo con spousing lefite bullshit
you know that nazis did the same populist leftie slogans thing right?
>>17274537
read
>>17274551
empires fall
either by their own devices or their enemies
sometimes it's just one on the same

>>17274637
>how can one ascribe liberal and conservative to something without knowing what it means?
What are you talking about, the CDU is a bunch of christians that have a liberal view of economics.

>>17274439
Mass child molestation was caused by the sexual revolution, a leftist movement

>>17274774
>bunch of christians
supreme lel, but then again francis is pope and i'm closer to trads
> liberal view of economics.
merkel party? that merkel which espouses cardinal rule of SocialeStaat?
That merkel which praises prison state of NRD
That neo-con Merkel?

>>17274513
>Hey guys our retarded system totally works
>What do you mean we're the crime capital of western Europe
>What do you mean the moment someone steps out of the parts of Amsterdam marketed at tourists, it becomes indistinguishable from Tirana
>What do you mean our health workers are underpaid and overworked, having to deal with abuses from the system while the people who actually need welfare don't get any

>>17274810
Yes, do you live in europe or am I arguing with a burger? Yes we have a massive welfare state, try taking it away. It's a relic because our communist neighbors to the far east had free education, healthcare, housing, job guarantee and more.

>>17274811
Bruh, the Netherlands has been ruled by conservative liberals for years now, we're no better than germany. We're not the crime capital of western europe, our prisons were so empty that we started accepting Belgium prisoners. Shut the fuck up please, you know shit about our country.

>>17274925
>our communist neighbors to the far east had free education
disfunctional on levels below party members
>free healthcare
disunctional below levels of party members
>housing
yeah tha big plate technology was not meant to function longer then 25 years it keeps failing constantly and costs are killing the budget
>job guarantee
absolute fucking lie if you couldn't find a job you were treated as enemy of state
only jobs with pay below poverty line were being given out
>We're not the crime capital of western europe
brussel has esentially no go zones ignored by press public opinion and police, same in berlin
so dunno fren i'd say you are next on the chopping block
>our prisons were so empty that we started accepting Belgium prisoners
yeah guess why belgian state is handling out it's own prisoners
you've no clue what was happening behind iron curtain so stop attacking others for knowing shit about your land

he kind of seems like a really well educated midwit. maybe its because he's a pop intellectual, but he seems to seriously lack depth.

>>17275046
Stay mad "conservative", it's either socialism or extinction.

>>17275109
ah yes
the gulagistan
at least you stopped with pretences i'll give you that

>>17273722
based and realitypilled
conservatism is political con artistry (the only kind of art rightoids can into)