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What's the consensus on BAP's critique of Marxist solutions to "atomization"? He says the community they already try to build is artificial and feels like a carnival, it's fake and forced. He said imagine you are forced to live with Lena Dunham and give her cunnilingus. He said organic community arises from things like racial or ethnic association which it is illegal under globohomo to foster because there is no freedom of association in things like race (one could add religion), you cannot have housing or work based on it. This is why he says the libertarian critique of Marxism is very strong, though adds he isn't suggesting you convert from Marxism to autism (libertarianism).

>> No.17259657

>>17259641
stop posting about e-celebs, stop posting twitter screenshot, go back to pol and kys

>> No.17259680

Yeah it is fake as fuck, Its why all the places with anything close to culture in big cities are the ethnic enclave areas.

>> No.17259779

>>17259641
So child marriage is the same as regular marriage?

>> No.17259802
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>>17259779
Like pottery

>> No.17260153

>>17259657
/Lit/ is my board, I stay away from /pol/ because of the pornography there

>> No.17260171

>>17260153
that's not surprising

>> No.17260188

>>17259641

He is basically right. You cant grow a community around consuumin and coomin in a big and bustling city.

>> No.17260438

>>17259641
There's literally nothing wrong with this. Why would you want to date an older women lmao? What experiences could she have that would make her a better wife and mother? Certainly not going to college and becoming embittered after numerous failed relationships and casual encounters.

>> No.17260538

My gf is 19 and i am 37, its fun when we go to an hotel, or talk shit in front of the waitress when i pretend i am her father and talk dirty sadetier shit to her, she watches more porn than me

>> No.17260563

>>17259641
BAP first needs to critique solutions to being a closeted homosexual before he takes on marxism.

>> No.17260571

>>17260538
Reevaluate your life

>> No.17260600

>>17260538
wow so cool man she watches porn like the boys do man!! damn bro so jealous i'm sure she has no baggage, comes from a good family, and has had multiple healthy relationships with male figures throughout her life!!!

>> No.17260621

>>17259641
really the problem is the unquestioned assumption that the destruction of existing communal forms will provide the free ground for new forms of (freely assumed) association to arise in the future. but communal forms like religion, race, nationality are themselves the product of sometimes thousands of years of history and when they vanish it's like a species going extinct. you can't wind back the clock and have "the same but nicer", it's impossible. every entity is a one-off and when it's gone it's gone. that's why chickens never turned back into tyrannosauruses rex

>> No.17260626

>>17260538
dangerously based

>> No.17260632

>>17260538
I guarantee you people are looking down on both you for your bizarre choices

>> No.17260685

If only there was this form of association which was by definition organic, required (back in the day, now you probably need a lot of it to make it work again) no social engineering and if cultivated lead to good morals and social cohesion and every radical ideology except for some particularly retarded ones (which seem to have hijacked it completely at this point) seem hell-bent on destroying (correction: have destroyed)
Hmmmmm
No, no it can't be that
We need to fix the problem of the food deserts, that's why people eat like shit
We need to fix the problem of "atomisation" by forced ritualistic hocus pocus
Or maybe we should just lead M corporate take over
But no, your form of association is FASCISM
What do you mean it predates fascism by something more than millenia
No it's all artificial and forced by them evil shitcoms
If you're wondering, yes I'm drunk

>> No.17260722

>>17260538
Based

>> No.17260744

>>17260538
based af and triggered a few tradcucks already

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>>17260632
>I guarantee you people are looking down on both you for your bizarre choices
Imagine giving a fuck what other people think, and letting the opinions of others prevent you from doing all the things you want in life.

>> No.17260753

it depends if he means marxism as delineated in marxs writing or the kind of lumpen marxism of people who think sex work is work

>> No.17260789

>>17260753
sex work is work technically, it's just easy work

>> No.17260813

>>17260789
it's more like landlordism

>> No.17260843

>>17260813
sex workers are closest to middle managers than anything. still workers but only survive by exploiting other workers

>> No.17260867

>>17260538
proud of you

>> No.17260914

>>17260843
pmcs

pussy managerial class lol

>> No.17260956

>>17260914
it's totally true, especially because in the event of an actual honest-to-god string-up-the-bankers revolution you just know who the whores would side with

>> No.17261012

>>17260747
imagine being so autistic that you are unable to read the room. Couples with a huge age gap are destined for loneliness, because everyone can see how weird they are, they will have no friends. And eventually, the internal pressure of their screwy, imbalanced relationship will cause them to explode. I've seen it secondhand and thirdhand. Just look at Elon Musk, got divorced by Talulah twice, lmao.

>> No.17261038

>>17261012
I'm a Muslim and it's very common. My friend's sister was married at fourteen and even men over forty generally only marry women in their 20's at the very latest, teens is more common. This is just considered preferable, why would a man not want a young wife? But when we socialize the men and women don't mix, men only socialize and gather with men so it creates a different dynamic I guess

>> No.17261064

>>17261038
I thought girlfriends don't exist in islam. Or is this just a whore you're fucking?

>> No.17261065

>>17261038
this shortcircuits the prawg

>> No.17261090

>>17261064
I'm referring to wives. Obviously if socializing with women is not permissible then gf's aren't. It's haram to touch a woman unless she is your wife, slave or immediate relation. Fornicating is a major sin and even holding hands. We generally approach the father about marriage or our father does

>> No.17261263

>>17260747
Hedonistic bugman

>> No.17261278

>>17261090
So you have a girlfriend or a wife?

>> No.17261297

>>17259641
Libertarians retards don’t represent the ideology of libertarianism which is based as fuck. Stop being a cuck.

>> No.17261333

>>17259641
He's right. No one has ever genuinely felt solidarity with someone because they are also proletariat. People are more likely to bond over cheese preference than current class.

>> No.17261341

>>17261333
People often feel a certain amount of solidarity across racial lines with their coworkers, especially if the job is grueling or dangerous.

>> No.17261381

>>17261278
Neither, I'm recently divorced. I tried marrying a woman my age because I'm a convert and fairly stupid like that but it was awful as she found me too controlling etc even though she understood before marriage she was not to leave the house without asking my permission. Not going to do that again. A shaykh who looks for wives asked if twelve would be too young for me, I actually would be open to that even if not my preference. It's much better to marry a wife very young so you can teach her how to act

>> No.17261411

>>17260538
Seems like you care more about what other people think of you and her, than what you think of you and her

>> No.17261454

>>17260438
>Why would you want to date an older women lmao? What experiences could she have that would make her a better wife and mother?
by this logic the best people to date would be a widdowed middle age'd women with kids, as she would have lots of experience which would make her better at being a mother and wife

>> No.17261501

>>17261454
Sometimes. A companion of the Prophet ﷺ married a widow and Muhammad ﷺ asked why did you not marry a virgin so you could play with her? And said because he had been married before and had children and wanted a woman of enough age an experience to mother them.

>> No.17262762

>>17260744
rent free

>> No.17263470

>feminists have finally come full circle to once again adoring violent patriarchs

well then

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>>17259641
nice fake account retard.

>> No.17263510

>>17260538
Steely Dan wrote a good song about you.

>> No.17263517

>>17261501
Man and woman who both already have kids marrying makes sense tbqh, then they are sort of pooling their obligations.

>> No.17263521

>>17263501
Search it without the @

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>>17261381
>is a cuck who converted to Islam
>married a saddlebroken Muslim woman
>she still thinks you're too controlling
lmao, the beta rays are too strong
no wonder you guys have arranged marriages
no woman would touch you otherwise

>> No.17263551

>>17259641
Freedom of association still applies to religious organizations. Say what you want about Catholicism -- there's a Catholic community in every city and every town. You can meet women in those Catholic communities. You can find love and support, too, especially in difficult times. You can find meaning in God through said communities. And it's all organic. Community arises from God and the Church. I'm not the best Catholic but I am Catholic -- more so than most Catholics. I attend Mass almost every Sunday and I read Scripture. I found my GF through Catholicism. We worship together. We discuss God regularly and we write letters to one another in which we express how to incorporate our faith into our relationship. We intend to get married -- and I am hopeful that we will -- have raise our children Catholic. Here, organic bonds have allowed our relationship to flourish. That is not present in a secular relationship. I've been in secular relationships -- every girl I dated wasn't open to the idea of having a Catholic wedding. They didn't want it. That's call disunity -- a symptom that the relationships and "bonds" which held said relationship together weren't strong enough.

>> No.17263555 [DELETED] 

>>17263536
She was actually a white convert

>> No.17263560

>>17263551
No business can choose to only hire Catholics, no housing association can choose to only allow Catholics

>> No.17263653

>>17263536
Actually she wasn't raised Muslim and had a deadbeat dad and she was divorced and in her 30's. If I lived in a Muslim country I could have managed it but in the west you know my options are a little more limited. I tried but I learned my lesson

>> No.17263654

>>17263521
same result https://twitter.com/SalmaMujeeb1

>> No.17263678

>>17263654
>>17263501
The account has been banned. Look at the responses.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%40SalmaMujeeb1&src=typed_query

>> No.17263687

>>17263501
Found an archive:

https://archive.is/yMH80

>> No.17263733

>>17259641
>What's the consensus on BAP's critique of Marxist
Gonna stop there before reading the rest of your cringe post. BAP is a retard and he hasn't read Marx. He doesn't have a "critique" of Marxist anything.

>> No.17263812

>>17260538
Nothing wrong with age differences like this. You’re a man with experience and she is young and fertile.

>> No.17263829

>>17261012
You’re anecdotal evidence is dumb, my parents are together and have a good social life and mummy had me at 19 while pa was 32

>> No.17263925

>>17260538
BASED

>> No.17263945

>>17260685
Umm, sweaty. I have a study that shows obesity and food-deserts are linked. And free association leads to segregation, which is racist.
You should live in a permanent state of reterritorialization and alienation because I have an IQ of 100.

>> No.17263961

> He says the community they already try to build is artificial and feels like a carnival, it's fake and forced.
Absolutely correct on this.
> He said organic community arises from things like racial or ethnic association
Completely wrong. Organic community arises from shared culture and values. Modern history is filled with examples of organic communities which are multi-racial/ethnic. The issue is capitalist globalization (imperialism) prevents the creation of shared community, so while the marxists are shit at building community they are at least on the right track unlike BAP.

>> No.17263968

>>17263961
>shared culture and values
where’s that cum frum?

>> No.17263970

>>17263536
c'mon, bruh, don't be mean to our pajeet brother. We're gonna need frienship with them if we're gonna stand a chance against globohomoe.
>>17259680
I grew up and lived most of my life in an inner city Irish Catholic neighborhood. Heroin and aggressive gentrification pretty much ethnically cleansed my community right out of existence tho :^( I thought I'd never live anywhere else, I loved it there. I still miss it but it's dead. Are there any pale Irish muslims yet, my botherman from another land?

>> No.17263974

>>17263961
and name some of them examples, tiger.

>> No.17263980

>>17263945
Food Deserts are linked to obesity. You have to be seriously braindead not to recognize the connection between the dominance of unhealthy junk food in an area and the higher amount of obese people. Why do you think rural shitholes and inner cities are so fucking unhealthy and filled with fat people?

>> No.17263994

>>17263980
Missed the point of my post and the one I replied to, damn, I bet I know ur IQ. ;p

>> No.17263996

>>17263968
Shared material living conditions.
>>17263974
The Punk, Ska, Skins, and Reggae movements. Music and art movements in general. The Catholic Church, and many other global religions, Islam for example.

>> No.17264006

>>17263994
It literally just reads like you denying the existence of food deserts and their obvious connection to obesity rates. I don’t give a shit about whatever big point you had, Im just talking about food deserts

>> No.17264016

>>17263996
Cool, so a peasant in Mexico and a peasant in Pakistan are totally gonna share culture and values, awesome, very cool 200 year-old economic and political paradigm.
>>17263996
>Catholicism is an organic community
>Multicultural communities work because SKA did
Fucking lmao.

>>17264006
Cool. Tell us more about food deserts instead of following the conversation. Didn’t think the TED Talk I watched in 2014 covered it all.

>> No.17264022

>>17259641
This literally happens in 100 years of solitude

>> No.17264035

>>17264006
O God this conversation is hilarious and im not even drunk. Please keep it coming man

>> No.17264043

>>17263829
Was your mummy a ritually embalmed 200 pound sow?

>> No.17264052

>>17260538
i wish you eternal happiness

>> No.17264073

>>17264016
>>17264035
I dont know anything about food deserts other than the very real fact that poor shmucks in rural shithole america that only eat fast food or the processed junk from their walmart are fat as fuck, the same goes for people in the inner city. Meanwhile, people with access to actual nutritious foods, organics and shit, are far healthier and thinner on average. Whatever, go eat kfc burger

>> No.17264087

>communities based on superficial appearances
based
>communities that are the historical unfolding of the universe
cringe

>> No.17264178

>>17264073
No hard feelings, anon.

>> No.17264214

>>17259641
Race and ethnic associations are just as much a larp, anon. Look at the US right now. The only thing which forms true bonds is personal history. Literally everything outside of that is an indirect tangent of personal history through projection. I.e, blood ties typically hold more personal history, so blood ties are closer than moral or idealistic ties, since the personal history required of these latter two is less prevalent.