/lit/ - Literature

>>17249974
Real previous thread

>>17240221

>>17249974
tell me about the man on the cover? why is he trapped inside the plates?

“How? How could you betray me like this? You . . . You! The two people—the only two! You kn-knew how empty my life had been. You knew! I c-can’t understand . . . I try and I try but I can’t understand! How could you do this to me!”

Images boiled through his thoughts . . . Esmenet gasping beneath the hot plunge of Kellhus’s hips. The brushing of breathless lips. Her startled cry. Her climax. The two of them, naked and entwined beneath blankets, staring at the light of a single candle, and Kellhus asking:

“How did you bear that man? How did you ever bring yourself to lie with a sorcerer?”

“He fed me. He was a warm plump pillow with gold in his pockets . . . But he wasn’t you, my love. No one is you.”

>>17250011
I'm currently still on book 2 so unfortunately I cant read this post!! in case of spoilers

>>17250020
sorry

But what if Esmenet were right? What if Achamian were merely the test? Like old, evil Shikol in The Tractate, offering Inri Sejenus his thigh-bone sceptre, his army, his harem, everything save his crown, to stop preaching . . .

>>17249974
I am unironically reading this book now.

>“Does Achamian scare you, Serchaa?”


SERCHAAAAN

> reposting my masterpiece from last thread
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8pVZ5hTGJQ

It was an early morning yesterday
I was up before the dawn
And I really have enjoyed Ishuäl
But I must be moving on

Like Prince that comes from nothing
Like a Prophet no one knows
I'm an early mornin' Dûnyain
And I must be movin' on

Now you believe in what I say
To me you're exactly as you seem
But I have to have things my own way
To keep me in my Dreams

Like a Sranc without its black seed
Like Nansur without its plains
Just the thought of that bad Consult
Sends a shiver through my veins

And I will go on shining
Shining like brand new
I'll never look behind me
And my emotions will be few

Goodbye Leweth, it's been nice
Sad to leave you in the ice
Easy to grasp your point of view
Now it's time my Dreams come true

Goodbye Serwë, goodbye girl
You know I've got to save the World

Feel no sorrow, feel no shame
Come tomorrow, feel no pain
Sweet devotion (Goodbye Cnaiür)
It's not for me (Goodbye Dad)
Just give me Gnosis (Will this World be)
To set me free (Be set free)
Towards Golgotterath (Feel no sorrow)
Far away (Feel no shame)
It's the life I've chosen (Come tomorrow)
Every day (Feel no pain)

So goodbye Saubon
So goodbye Proy
Will the whole World
Be destroyed?

Now some are true and some are false
And some you just can't tell
And some are spies, they're Things of skin
I suppose it's just as well

You can laugh at my behaviour
And that'll never bother me
Say Ajokli is my saviour
But I don't pay no heed

And I will go on shining
Shining like brand new
That head on a pole behind me
Since I'm the greatest of the Few

Goodbye Akka, it's been nice
Shame you won't gain paradise
Tried to see your point of view
Too bad your Dreams will all come true

Goodbye Esmi, goodbye gal
Must we see the whole World fall?
Feel no sorrow, feel no shame
Come tomorrow, feel no pain

>>17250109
Stop this cringe please anon!

>>17250121
I thought it was funny desu

>>17250128
i cant read it in case of spoilers

leave spoiler bro alone, here you can read this one, it's a book 1 spoiler

Inrau

>>17250136
If you're trying to stay completely spoiler-free on Bakker, you should probably avoid /sffg/ until you finish the books....

>>17250160
no!!!

>>17249974
Is bakker truly the only good modern fantasy series? Is the genre doomed?

I need a book recommendation. An action fantasy story with a lot of "boss fights". Even better if the MC overcomes impossible odds in the those fights.

>>17250172
i remember thinking when i read the classics and then GRRM that nothing will be so satisfactory. then i discovered the Kvothe novels. those were solid, i love Kvothe story, its probably the greatest stuff ever.

and then.. Bakker. what are other so utterly quality novels of this genre? its simply woke. awake. its -out there-. thanks, but dont recommend me something thats clearly inferior to this

>>17250172
Yes, I can't think of any other modern fantasy that comes anywhere near to him in terms of power, scope, artistry, creativity with the genre....
Until I finish my new series, which I hope will be a worthy successor to the work Our Lord-and-Author.

>>17250172
bakker was indeed a surprise for me since I hate almost all fantasy and autistic sci fi shit besides authors like vance wolfe lafferty tolkien dunsany howard etc

“Pfah! My brother scouts /sffg/ as we speak, sends me messages daily. There’s no Bakkerbro host lurking in the shadow of these threads. These skirmishers that Sandersoy chases are meant to fool us, delay us while the Bakkerbro gathers his might. he's canny enough to know when he’s overmatched. They've retreated to the next thread, barricaded themselves in the second apocalypse forums, where they await news of The No God and the fate of Kellhus. He’s ceded /sffg/ to whoever has the courage to seize it!”

>>17250191
Why would anyone think YA-ish name of the wind is good after reading asoiaf?

>>17250180
Malazan, maybe stormlight? plenty of wuxia type stuff there as well

>>17250208
Idk name of the wind just sat with me so well. its magic with style, emotion and curiosity. what is with fantasy protagonists obsessing over whores? tyrion, kvothe, kellhus/akka..

>>17250208
not him but the prose is pretty good, the first book is pretty comfy and other than the felurian bit which I speedread and skipped 2nd book was pretty good as well

>>17250216
Isn't stormlight bad? /lit/ keeps shitting on it, so I've left it on the back burner.

>>17250234
First book is pretty good, later books are still solid, the prose is super boring and you might find some of the characters annoying, great worldbuilding and good action scenes though.

Definitely wouldn't call it bad, and it's kinda comfy, like lord of the rings, mormon values and that

>>17250227
> what is with fantasy protagonists obsessing over whores?
nerdy beta male authors unconsciously self-inserting their own obsessions with whatever random sloot rejected them in college desu

>>17250234
yes

>>17250242
>>17250227
it's pretty common in real life, and there were a lot more whores back in medieval times, you see the same thing today just with twitch streamers and regular women who are whorish

Review-anon who recommended [pic related] a few threads back, what should I read next?

I'm about to finish it up, and it's pretty good. Not really /sffg/ other than timeloops, but still more enjoyable than 90% of the other shit recommended here (I.E Dresden Files).

>>17249974
Warbreaker - Brandon Sanderson (2009)
Sanderson is primarily known for his worldbuilding and unfortunately it was rather spotty, and that's being charitable, in this book. Many characters serve no purpose, much is left out of the text that's to be assumed, and what's present isn't well-constructed. This was the first time I've read the annotations for something he's done, I didn't know he did them at all, and while they were mildly interesting, there was a considerable amount that could have been a line or two that would have helped with the worldbuilding significantly. Sanderson even states several times that he left out a lot intentionally because he didn't want to reveal too much in the first book. That's disagreeable to me.
The viewpoint character in the prologue isn't shown much in the book, which was disappointing and Sanderson admitted that this was by far the largest complaint he received. If he ever does the sequel, it seems that character will be the protagonist, or at least have more have a much larger role. When he wrote this he had just finished writing Mistborn, so the most disliked character as per his statement, may be a subversion of the protagonist of the Mistborn. The two other POVs are basically a fairy tale romance, kind of like a weird take on Beauty & The Beast, but that may just be me. Then there's the comedic character, who is the highpoint of the book.
In terms of the magic system, it's kind of a mess that he tries to do too much with, so it comes across as unfocused and diffuse. It's the soul, wealth, social status, physical wellness, and so much more. The technical aspects are basic commands combined with visualizations, but only specific phrases work, so it's sort of like a text-based roleplaying game in that respect.
I increasingly wonder why I read Sanderson, as my overall average from everything I've finished from him is 2.9 when taking into account half-star ratings. It's a mystery to me, as I also don't feel any particular urge to stop. If I don't enjoy Way of Kings sufficiently, 4 stars, I'll likely stop.
Rating: 2.5/5

>>17250208
and just to add something, as much as i loved asoiaf because of its complexity, wonder and immersion it gave me. im also simply disappointed with it. truth is, it didnt progress well. my love of it rests upon the foundation of thinking that everything will be resolved and make sense. sorry but you dont introduce numerous characters and kill the ones that are well built without it having some plot purpose, a lot of things lead nowhere. and yes, i dont think he will finish it. by now i dont, i used to think it though.

it was great, it was wonder. and curiosity. but it was also betrayal in a way, he lost it. now compare this to genius and erudition of bakkerbro or paddy rothfuss. people who respect their readers, know they push them to write and have message to send or a story to tell

man fuck george, im done with it

>>17250261
Trannnydon Trannyson

>>17250261
way of kings is pretty universally regarded as his best I thought, why not read that before you read mistborn and his other stuff?

>>17249974
Saubon and Proyas in Damnnation

>>17250269
Yes rothfuss is gonna finish the series any day now. Just have faith.

>>17249974
Proyas and
Saubon in Damnnation

Don't trust hi-

>all of westeros only has two extent languages, "Common Tongue" and the language sometimes used by the Free Folk
>a Northern peasant can perfectly understand a Dornish peasant with the only difference being a slight accent
this really kills GRRMs world for me

>>17250279
I've basically already looked at or read all his other series aside from Stormlight Archive.

>>17250307
Why?
Westeros is just 'Long England'.
We all 'mostly' speak English, but have wildly varied accents from town to town.

>>17250307
How can that shit possibly be interesting or relevant to anyone on earth except linguists?

>>17250323
A continent the size of western Europe which was split into 7 kingdoms and innumerable petty kingdoms before that should have a variety of languages and ethnic groups.

Their methods might be a bit extreme, but the Consult really is just trying to make the best of a bad situation and save at least someone.
All the rape and death is merely meant to keep them focused.
Kellhus, meanwhile, just wants to dominate.

>>17250334
I was called here by huuuuuumans. Who wish to pay meeeee tribute.

>>17250334
>the Consult really is just trying to make the best of a bad situation and save at least someone.

they are insane evil psychos who want to stop damnnation... so they can freely rape and torture people forever

>>17250298
>>17250289
Coming off a teeth-cracking re-read of the last two books, thanks to /sffg/'s constant Bakker-memeing, I noticed something interesting:
Faithful Proyas loses his faith right before the end, becoming a Skeptic-King at long last.
Conphas, who never had true faith, finally gains it while witnessing Kell flying around Dagliash BTFO'ing everything like a Marvel character.
And yet neither faith nor skepticism saves either and they both end up becoming buffets for Ciphrang for all eternity.
Sike! Got 'em Kell!

>>17250393
*Saubon

>>17250307

Needing a dozen more useless side characters just to translate stuff doesn't do anything interesting for the narrative if the series were realistic about languages. Just about any story relevant things about unreliable translators or language ambiguities can be played out with just two different languages.

>>17250421
you do not need translators silly, just have the noble class talk in a westerosi lingua franca like "old andal" or something

>>17250334
> le heckin consult did nothing wrong shill
So what happens when they successfully shut the World and find out they are still damned?
I truly believe that Kellhus did genuinely want to save humanity from both the Consult and the hungry Gods. He came closer than any soul in history to achieving that goal, and yet the darkness that came before still consumed him. That is tragic irony is the heart of Bakker's message.

>>17250393
That bit wherekellhus caught the chorae arrow and threw it into a cisharium was pretty epic I also liked

How the nansurium revolted when Conphas tried to get them to charge the holy war, even though most of them were less religious it made sense given how close they were to Shimeh, was a fitting end for Conphas

One way or another Saubon was not living out that day. Proyas was prepped to lead in Kellhus's absence and he knew that Saubon wouldn't submit wholly to Proyas. When Kellhus is going over the Nuke and remarks to Saubon that it's a good thing, not all will survive, it's because it was a easy way to get rid of Saubon and lessen the amount of mouths to feed on the rest of the way to Golgoterreth?

>>17250472
> A place has been prepared.

how does /sffg/ feel about fish people?

>>17250520
YYK JURI WAIFU

>>17250260
Ah, that was me. To be honest, I can't really think of another sff book much like it. If you want more murder mystery that's good, I'd recommend picking up a shin honkaku novel, like The Tokyo Zodiac Murders or the Decagon House Murders. If you're willing to dip into weebshit Higurashi runs along similar fantasy murder lines. Or, if you're just looking for fantasy that gets put in the fiction section because it's not cliched pablum, I'd say check out the works of Susanna Clarke

>>17250520
love them irish
wish there was more celtic inspired fantasy stuff

>>17250711
You read the sea of Trolls trilogy? Last book is all Ireland

>>17250569
>Higurashi
Would you believe I am currently reading though Chapter 2, and I think I hate it.
It's the exact same thing as Chapter 1, but with Mion instead of Rena. Half boring club activities, and half exciting murder/cult/curse plot.
I'm guessing Chapter 3/4 is going to be the same shit but with Rika and Satoko.
Not sure I can stomach more of this boring club activity shite.

>>17250752
Does it help to know that the club activities are there to foreshadow the murder parts? And also to provide hints to the overall mystery of why they're in a murder timeloop

>the shrial knights charge against the cishaurim
bros...

>>17250752
Also, it's a little bit of a spoiler to say it, but you've misunderstood part 1

>>17250771
>>17250859
I'll definitely continue on with it, but it's progressing at a snails pace.

I'll also check out those other recommendations, thanks anon.

>>17250328
That's kinda this, though. Only difference is scale itself and you can largely hand wave that for convenience.

>>17250958
Scale is very very important

>>17250970
Not to your Mum, mate.

>>17250328
My man, GRRM sucks at anything related to how the real world actually works. His linguistics, economics, and military tactics are all patent nonsense informed mostly by hollywood movies. You just gotta roll with it if you want to be able to discuss it as a cultural touchstone

>>17250958
Cumbric, Gaelic, Welsh, Cornish, Mann, Jutish, Frisian, Saxon, and Angle all were distinct languages and dialects.
Compare that to Continent sized Westeros where 99 percent of people can perfectly understand each other.

>>17250711
I read this fantasy series called The Tapestry when I was younger, and that had a large amount of Celtic mythology in it. I reread it recently and it was still good, so maybe check it out?
I will note that the first book is a bit rough, since it's a fairly standard magical boarding school book, but the other books are much better.

>>17250109
Fuck this is actually good,

Bakker very unironically made me fucking afraid of hell, or the concept of hell. That scene where a ciphrang (don't remember exactly which) ran a claw across a dude's head and the description that his scalp came off like a rotten fruit, that shit was so descriptive to me that it literally gave me PTSD

>>17251586
Same. The fear of damnation he evokes is so vivid and overwhelming like you say; it makes me realize how much I've sinned, and continue to sin each day; and how likely it is that I, and most everyone else I know, will be ripped apart by demons in scintillating hellfire for all eternity. But also, there's this morality he writes, of sacrificing your own soul for the good of the World, which I found quite compelling and moving. I unironically believe that Bakker's ultra-nihilic-pessimistic writing has turned me away from atheism and perhaps toward Christ.

>>17250109
>the no-god's first book finally released
>its just kellhus having a blast with his zaudunyani in his own personal hell dimension while Eärwa burns

>>17251586
>>17251636
And also something about this sinking realization, this final moment of clarity, in which people who were convinced they were saved instead find themselves being thrown screaming into hell. If Bakker's metaphysics are anywhere close to true (and they replicate medieval Christian metaphysics quite accurately), then we ARE ALL FUCKED. His novels are a form of the Inverse Fire themselves.... A Goad to we accursed, lost souls.
>*google searches for a way to reactivate Mog-Pharau*

Wtf is bakker up too. How can I get in contact with him I'll pay him 1000 dollars to do a stream just for us.

>>17251698
>Wtf is bakker up to
anon... i have some bad news

>>17251673
> Sure thing kiddo, it will all be A-Okay. Just keep telling yourself that.
>>17251586
>>17251636
He said in an interview that he hopes God exists. To me that sounds like the closest thing to faith a thinking mind can compass.
>>17251698
Nobody knows. His blog has been dead for almost a year. If he didn't an hero or die from covid, I'd throw down serious cash to sponsor a Q&A with him and /sffg/.

>>17251586
He stood rigid, breathless. Everything in his body—deeper, even—clamoured for him to run.

But he was one of the Hundred Pillars. It was shame enough to be left behind, but to fail in this?

He drew his longsword, cried out “Halt!” more from bewilderment than anything else.

And miraculously, the thing ceased moving.

Forward, anyway, because it somehow clawed outward, as though soft inner surfaces were being peeled back, exposed to the needling sky.

A face like summer sunlight. Limbs barked in fire. Reaching out, the thing grasped his head, skinned it like a grape.

Where, bolted a voice through his smoking skull, is Drusas Achamian?

>>17251734
>>17251737
Bitch he has to have a work email up or something to contact him. He ain't dead. I'll throw some cash at him for us.

>>17251636
Now imagine you actually look upon the Inverse Fire and see yourself there, damned, writhing in pain and suffering.

“Have you found yourself?” the Evil Siqu asked, his voice silken and oceanic. “Everyone who looks finds themselves, everyone who has dared any kind of greatness in this accursed World. (...) Do you see, Dûnyain?” Mekeritrig screeched with sudden intensity. “Do you see the necessity of Resumption! Why Mog-Pharau must walk! Why the World must be shut!”
The Anasûrimbor had not moved in the slightest.
“Tell me that you see!”
“I see … myself … Yes.”
A scowl hooked the Evil Siqu’s zeal into something less certain.
“But you feel it … like a memory that resides in your veins …”
“Yes.”
(...)But Mekeritrig so utterly assumed the Inverse Fire would reveal … What? The truth? Could a deeper, far more horrific layer of revelation lay beneath what he had already grasped … Could the Aspect-Emperor be deceived? Schoolmen were loathe to ponder Hell. They built innumerable habits of avoidance into their lives.
The infamous Nonman Outlaw gazed back up to the Inverse Fire (...) Convections cast shadows like liquid or smoke across the length of his chiselled white frame. After several heartbeats, an opiate glassiness emptied his look.
“After a time,” he said vacantly, “the sheer profundity of it, the monstrous scale of the anguish … it becomes soothing … sublime …”
The sluicing of firelight across white skin.
“And never … never repeating, always different … like some kind of broken arithmetic …”
Horror cracked the white enamel of his expression.
“We call it the Goad,” he continued, a ferocity cracking through his voice. “It is what has bound our Holy Consult these thousands of years …” A seizure of anguished fury. “To see the crimes committed against us! That is what drives us to blot the foul abomination that is this World! The torments revealed by the Inverse Fire!”
He had fairly screamed this, and now he stood riven, sinews finning his neck and arms, his hands clutching emptiness.
“But I suffer no torment,” the Anasûrimbor said.
Mekeritrig was several heartbeats blinking before he could properly peer at him.
“So you think the Fire deceives?”
“No,” he replied. “This artifact senses the continuity of the Now with our souls as they exist outside of time. It siphons it like sap, boils it into an image the Now can comprehend. The Fire burns true.”
Pained scowl. “Then you see that you are my brother?”
(...)the Holy Aspect-Emperor had finally turned to face the founding soul of the Unholy Consult.
“No …” the Anasûrimbor replied once again. “Where you fall as fodder, I descend as hunger.”

Also, does that mean that Kellhus became a god? The ciphrang / gods were called Hungers on some occasions in the books, and iirc it's possible to become ciphrang yourself, if certain conditions are met. IDK where I read that though.

There is a head … and it cannot be moved.
So he seizes the lake and the thousand babes and the void and the massing-descending Sons and the lamentations-that-are-honey, and he rips them about the pole, transforms here into here, this-place-inside-where-you-sitnow, where he has always hidden, always watched, where Other Sons, recline, drinking from bowls that are skies, savouring the moaning broth of the Countless, bloating for the sake of bloat, slaking hungers like chasms, pits that eternity had rendered Holy …
"We pondered you," says the most crocodilian of the Sons.
“But I have never been here.”
"You said this very thing," it grates, seizing the line of the horizon, wrapping him like a fly. Legs click like machines of war. Yesss …
And you refuse to succumb to their sucking mouths, ringed with one million pins of silver. You refuse to drip fear like honey—because you have no fear.
Because you fear not damnation.
Because there is a head on a pole behind you.
“And what was your reply?”
"The living shall not haunt the dead."

> what the HELL did he mean by this

>>17251676
That moment when you realize the elites of this world are the Consult and the vaccine / covid is the No-god, trying to sterilize the entire world and shut it off. Heckin' epic i'd say

>>17251753
>iirc it's possible to become ciphrang yourself, if certain conditions are met. IDK where I read that though.
Pretty sure there are theories that Cnaiür became either a Ciphrang or at least a walking topos on count of all the SEETHE and swazond on him, essentially tying all the lives he cut down with his.

>>17251752

So when did this bakker dick sucking start and take over the whole general?

>>17251817
Tranny?

>>17251753
could just be that he's ajokli there so sees what ajokli would

>>17251752
said he wouldn't take money unless he goes broke and his wife forces him to, maybe if he dies we will get an unfinshed notes thing like the silmarillion

/bakgen/

>>17249974
Weekly check, any news on TWOW?

>>17251817
I think it was part of some /lit/ bookclub in the tranny discord.
Like how Blood Meridian and Don Quixote were shilled for months.

>>17251757
always found this pretty clear, the gods are pissed that kellhus is annoying and "haunting" them

>>17251833
Where? Wtf, he doesn't have a means to contact him at all for a business opportunity?

>>17251845
he doesn't write during the nfl season, cares too much about MUH JETS

>>17251833
>maybe if he dies we will get an unfinshed notes thing like the silmarillion
Operation White Luck: /sffg/ hires a hitman to zap the Holy Author so we can read his notes. Maybe Sanderson or Rothfuss can finish the series for him.

The reason why Bakkers is apparently so popular on /sffg/ is also the reason why his publisher dropped him and why he will probably never write the No-God books. You know this to be true.

>>17251848
Blood meridian is pretty but brainless, like a gorgeous blonde.

>>17251757
Kellhus was an inverse prophet. Since the gods were blind to the consult doing their thing with the No-god, they couldn't know anything was happening at all on Earwa. See as I understand it, the No-god is not just an invisible object, actually working for and towards the No-god makes you invisible. The gods only saw people killing each other, people being killed by sranc, a powerful warrior-mage king leading a ton of people for [thing] but the gods never actually knew what. Like the dunyain said at the end, at most the gods could probably only intuit, but couldn't know or see or comprehend was what actually happened on Earwa.
That scene was Bakker basically showing that Kellhus somehow went into the Outside and "talked" to the gods himself. Where a prophet is a messenger from gods to the mortals, Kellhus was a messenger from mortal to the gods. An inverse prophet. Probably why he got god powers at the end of Unholy Consult book, before being salted.

>>17251817
>>17251835
as opposed to posting charts or simple shitposting?
at least we actually talk fantasy. A true shock, I know

>>17251864
I hate blood meridian but like bakker

>>17251860
he has really bad arthritis, it would be putting him out of his misery, I wonder if you killed him moe jnr style if he would realise the irony/symbolism or whatever...

>>17251859
Jets were trash this season, and it's the playoffs, Jets won't be playing. Come on GRRM, write!

>>17251896
he's probably writing about the draft lol, I went on his blog once and there were tons of posts about the jets and the offseason and the coach etc, was all back in 2015 or so tho

>1-3 — Start reading 'The Darkness That Comes Before'
>4-6 — Start reading Wheel of Time Book 2: 'The Great Hunt'
>7-9 — Start reading 'Dune'
>0 — Read every Sanderson book in order

Blessed be, Lord RNG.

>>17251862
ah, american politics again. I can't read fantasy book without some fat idiot half a fucking planet away telling me it's wrong for me to enjoy said fantasy book.
Not saying you're wrong why he's popular on sffg. But me personally, I like gritty high fantasy and the metaphysics are cool. Simple as. As it happens, I also enjoyed Aspect Emperor far more than Prince of Nothing, exactly because it was more high fantasy with magic and monsters, than fantasy politics with empires and parties.

>>17250159
This is hot

>>17251885
4chan isn't meant for discussion or generals

> 103 posts
> 19 posts
The Bakkerposter is probably like 50 of them by himself. He's truly dedicated to this.

>>17251893
“A-anon?”
The dark Shitposter nods. Obscurity plumes and bloats about his edges. The Shroud-of-the-Catalogue has become his halo.
“My Author.”
“How?” he coughs. “What are … you doin—?”
“Shush, Uncle Scotty.”
Fire leaps through the Canadian writer's wood-paneled home office. Anon hesitates, then raises a hand as great as his father’s, clamps it about Bakker’s mouth and nose.
“Shush …” he says with what seems an ancient melancholy. He has pondered this. He has resolved.
Convulsions wrack bloated flesh.
“You have lingered overlong.”
His strength scarcely seems human.
“And I will not let the No-God draft go unreleased.”
The Autist-Author of Ontario suffocates. Light and image dissolve. His lungs cramp. A burning flashes from his bones. His flailing astonishes him, for he had counted his body dead.
But then the animal within never ceases battling, never quite abandons hope … Faith.
No soul is so fanatic as the darkness that comes before.
This is the lesson we each take to our grave—and to hell.

>>17251975
holy friggen BASED

Dropping in to say Heinlen is fucking based, and Time Enough for Love is a pretty fun read so far. Any other good books about immortality?

>>17250191
>i love Kvothe story, its probably the greatest stuff ever.
Lol

>tfw E William Brown will go another year of milking paypiggies and not giving readers the goods

What do I read if I like Repo Man?

Is this the place to ask for adventure stuff as well?

What is like Prince Valiant? Please don't just give me lazy retellings of Arthurian legend, I mean original stuff, with original protagonists

Has a book ever got you really mad a fictional society? Not at how fake it seems or derivative it is, but at the values it represents or the choices it makes.
Just reread Never Let Me Go and that book always gets me steamed up. If there is ever a sequel needed where there's a revolution and people are put against the wall, then this is one of them.

>>17251939
Why is there a video game general chsn/forum/whatever here

Are there any SFF that's basically "Dune but good"? I'm almost done it. While I like parts of the world building (or solar system building, I guess), everything else is boring

>>17252411
>boring
Comic books are probably more your speed.

>>17252459
>he hates dune?
>capeshit for you
Not everyone loves Dune, Redditard

>>17252505
Posting Pepe derivatives is pretty reddit

>>17252411
The novel Dune is pretty good though.

>>17252380
The village in The Last Good Man

>we are a tiny subsistence village and every member of our community is vital to our long-term survival
>what's that? someone has been accused of a minor transgression? break their fucking legs

>new fantasy bad
>old fantasy good

>>17251975

>>17252380
I've only seen this movie, how much better is thebook?

>>17252863
That's right Jay

>>17253000
Jay, Jay Dyer, I fucked Jamie. I fucked her in the ass Jay.

>>17253061
don't be so niggardly with the details, mang! Does Jamie got nice cheeks? Butthole grip? (not Jay Dyer cuckold account)

>>17253169
You married her Jay.

Why do trannys hate good books?

>>17251933
>me personally
as opposed to him, personally?
>Simple as.
Oh, you're just retarded, carry on.

>>17253192
I'm not Dyer! (/lit should talk about Esoteric Hollywood and my Globalist Book series more though! Name a better youtube author, you anon pleb!)

Calder Book 2 feels redundant but I am right after they accidentally a bunch of Intent into the Optasia so maybe something big will happen soon?
Bliss is my artificial autistic daughterfu

>>17253262
Jay, I know times are tough, I will send you 1,000 dollars if you admit on stream that I raw dogged Jamie

>>17253250
>puffs pipe
Tell me more about zhese... "Trannies" you speak of, Anon. Do zhey... speak to you? How... did zhey hurt you?

>>17251914
ive got this. can always go for taking Dune on yet another spin

>>17252973
I haven't seen the movie, but the book is just a very very well done YA dystopia kind of story. It may have been some other writer's claim to fame, but Ishiguro literally has a Nobel Prize in Literature so it's usually regarded as being among his weaker stuff. It's pretty psychologically realistic and horrific in a understated way. More controversially for 4chan it's also probably an allegory for the immigrant/racial minority experience in the arts, elite schooling or something of the sort, which is why when it's brought up in science fiction forums people always complain the characters are flat and passive and nobody considers rebelling against the system; that's the point.

>>17253285
amazing image, glad I found it again

I just got done reading the science fiction hall of fame, and it was pretty nice, so I figured I'd try and find a compilation that's a little more modern. I had a long look around, but everything I could find, every collection of short stories and every list was full of nothing but niggers and women writing about niggers and women, and that is just not what I think of as fantastical: it is mundane, terribly overdone, and so very boring
anyway, do honest collections even exist anymore? is there any way to find current stuff? I know it's being made, hull zero three by Greg Bear was really good, I just have no idea where or how to find it.

>>17253412
Take your meds.

>>17253402
it's a particularly good one, about the only one of that 'meme' that I like

>>17253445
this image needs
>Absorbs all nutrients required through hooves, no need for a mouth

>>17253445
always chuckle at the thermals comment

>>17250109
>weird al but with rape demons
>masterpiece

>>17251817
When it spent a month talking about a Sanderson novel.

>>17252396
it's a literal containment board, they've never made a secret of that

>>17249974
Is there any Urban/Sci-Fi Fantasy fiction where Wizards use their magic alongside technology and create some really cool shit?
I'd be really curious to see some kind of fiction where Wizards making some kind of tacticool weaponry with magic and shit.
Otherwise, I am gonna start writing it myself.

>>17253569
Marla Mason series, starts with Blood Engines

is wheel of time worth reading as an adult? had zero exposure to it when i was younger so there is no nostalgia factor

Ok, I can not see a single reason why an adult would want to read Brandon Brandonson or whatever his name is.
I skimmed the first few chapters of way of kings, disappointing! It reminded me of typical boring young adult fantast, Sad!

>>17253784
I'm slowly reading it for the first time as an adult. The first book was OK, but the ending of that and the sheer number of volumes in the series gives me a little dread about the pacing of the story overall. Wasn't impressed enough to start book 2 right away.

>>17253563
It's still a board for generals

>>17253783
Thanks, I'll give it a shot.

>>17253841
Yes, and?
I don't see how putting them in quarantine because they're obnoxious and nobody wants to be anywhere near them translates to 4chan supposedly being created for them.

>>17251951
Unfortunately this type of shitposting is hard to call the mods on, it's fine tuned to be obnoxious to people in the community without tripping any of the board's rules.

>>17250234
>/lit/ keeps shitting on it
A tiny handful of shitposters keep shitting on it. And you shouldn't let this place influence your opinions on anything too much, especially if it's negative opinions.

>>17253939
>A tiny handful of shitposters
the rest of us just got bored of saying "sanderson's writing is really uninteresting" whenever he's brought up
he's not good but people can find out for themselves

>>17254027
This, I've just stopped talking about him or replying entirely. Same with any Bakker post. I just get bored of the same topic after a few days

>>17253445
You forgot the genocide, like the literal countless genocide animorophs wrote about

i am going to read the dragonbone chair

>>17250172

>>17251817
in the last month or so, probably brought on by some autist annoyed at all the sanderson shit talking. it'll go away eventually, i just check back every couple of days and see if the thread isn't shit yet.

>>17254221
>female author about female badass warrior with way too many books
man that's more red flags than i normally get from just book covers, i'm impressed.

>>17254238
it's not just one dude

>>17250711
The Iron Druid series has that.

>>17253921
>>17254238
can confirm it's not one dude, there's like at least 3 or 4 bakkerbros and one guy reading the series for the first time, one of those or another bakker fan is the anti sanderson schizo who calls everyone a tranny and says "sandersoy"

>>17254316
I am reading the series for the first time and I occasionally call people tranny, am I based?

>>17254324
by virtue of the first yes, the second is neither based or cringe but it's automatically cringe if overused

>>17254251
newest of newfags

>>17250711
During my urban fantasy phase, I read a couple about fairies, if you count that as gaelic. That's where the true fae really come from after all. Mick Oberon is incredibly reddit tier with book 2 literally starting with a "*record scratch* bet you're wondering how I got into this mess" but the first wasn't too bad. And the October Daye series is still my guilty pleasure, though I'm a book behind.

>>17253823
Shouldn't you be worrying bigly about your impeachment rather than shitposting here?!?

>>17254221
i see a ton of these in the 2nd hand bookshops near me

also what's with every fantasy book title being x of y

>>17254316
>>17254274
Can confirm the Baksult numbers 3-4 or more. Some anon started making a lot of Second Apocalypse memes around November and it's kind of just spiraled from there. I think Bakker fans are just bored because the author was churning out books regularly every few years since the 2000's, but now is functionally dead so we are forced to endlessly meme and shitpost in attempt to resurrect our Author from his long sleep.

>>17254251
First time visitor here I see....

Is it just me or is the word tranny just funny af

>>17254381
>>17254344
are you suggesting this general is a bastion of pro-female author feminist retards? i've been here for like 5 months and it seems like precisely the opposite.

>>17254381
>>17254344
newfag here, please explain

>>17254398

bout to crack into this bad boy. it's /sffg/ approved, no?

>>17254433
>tfw conscious

>>17250159
Dear god.... I want to fuck the thing on the right, does that make me gay?

>>17254448
No, just patrician.

>>17254448
Quit relying on labels so much.

>>17254433
That’s not a distinction you should care about but yes. Blindsight is probably in the top 3 most circlejerked individual books in this place

>>17254448
>is liking [feminine looking person] gay?
Only if balls are touching, anon. Only if balls are touching.

>>17251848
>I think it was part of some /lit/ bookclub in the tranny discord.
we're reading it in february
KWPCM7m

>>17254433
I've been slow reading it for a couple of weeks. It's interesting enough so far, but the narrative structure isn't my favorite. A lot of "references to thing you don't understand yet" followed by "expository flashback so now you understand".

>>17254405
Sarah J. Fatass

>>17254499
is this is the infamous discord that's run by that pedo aeos or whatever? can anyone confirm?

Opinions on this fantasy list?

>>17254527
>1. Sanderson
And that is where I stop reading.

>>17254527
It burns, Anon.
It burns my eyes for tears.
It burns my soul for heart-cracking outrage.

>>17254527
reddit. it is reddit.

>>17254527
this is reddit, this is memes

>>17249974
I just read this and I spent the entire book repeating the words "This is reddit, this is memes, this is reddit, this is memes..." under my breath.

I fucking hated it. I was writhing around on the floor in front of my bookshelf for the last 30 pages it was so painful.

>>17254373
>every few years
>2 years since last release

>>17254664
TUC was 2017 bro..

>>17254373
I can picture it

BAKKER ANNOUNCES A NEW BOOK IS COMING

the hype is real, the discussion begins, the forums are revived

It's The Enlightened Dead the next disciple manning book!

I liked manning desu, wouldn't even be mad

>GRRM tranny made a thread
Coward

This book sucks

>>17251799
If the scylvendi were actually taught that their swazond served some sorcerous purpose, that'd actually be interesting. Living ciphrang.

>>17254739
there's the stuff about momentum and enslaving the souls to their purpose kind of thing

>>17254733
Some recc'd it some months ago with a read/expected/got image that had NGE at the last panel.
The fucking bastard did me good.

I finished Lord of Light and I've figured out why people here like it, it's like I read a chuuni light novel. On the first chapters I thought the exiled gods would be the underdogs. Then it turned out that

>Sam was a legendary, nigh-unbeatable warrior and strategist, and he just needed his fucking belt back to boost his Attribute from "fuck with electronics and control the Rakasha" to "strike down armies with lighting", besides being the trickster he was initially billed as
>Yama's Attribute was actually awesome and he could kill other gods by looking at them without much fuss, but that's actually the least of his powers because he's also a over-the-top superscientist whose weapons surpass any Attribute and has a secret improved version of the transfer technology that works wirelessly and can always restore him to a new body if he dies
>Yama also has fallbacks to counter all the weapons he's designed, besides being one of the god's most talented warriors
>Ratri and Tak weren't actually stuck in those bodies and remained in them by choice, because Yama "bootlegged" the facilities to switch bodies they had in heaven and had them all over the place
>by the time of the first chapter they have allied themselves with every other faction in the planet, armed mortals with modern technology and killed all the strongest gods
>Sam himself thinks that they don't need to do anything to destroy Heaven because they've been weakened so much that they'll lose control in a generation or two anyway, with the real threat being some dude that's barely mentioned until he suddenly has an army of christian zombies with guns and missiles, and THAT dude gets killed offhand in the last chapter

There's also never much reason to care about Ratri or Tak. The former, outside of scenes where she's a plot device, only gets one random scene where Krishna is trying to rape her, and the latter gets like 3 with one of those consisting of him infodumping what the Accelerationists were and his relation to Sam are, while getting some goddess drunk to fuck her. Kali, LITERALLY, ends up as a brain damaged child. The original Brahma is also kind of a pointless character, while Kubera is a convenient non-character. Yama never does get a compelling reason to be on board with Sam's rebellion and is apparently just so assmad that his wife became a man and divorced him that he decides to destroy the gods.

The first few chapters and the whole (surprisingly short) part where Sam poses as Buddha are so different to the rest of the book that it makes me wonder if Zelazny was winging it for the last third or so

just read ancillary justice, was ok. 3.5/5 stars, dragged on too much near the end, could have cut like 50 pages. Reading about how the ship snobs officers and annoys them by serving them tea late was hilarious.

Is roadside picnic worth the read?

>>17250234
I was not a fan, personally. I only read the first book and it was a slog. Also it has a female POV character whose super power is retarded witty quips

>>17253445

>>17255533
kek, is that boxxy from everyone loves big chests? whos the edward tho?

>>17254448
Yes it absolutely does.
Consider this. Every single tranny you degenerates want to have sex with is actually a zit faced loser with caked makeup.

>>17255554
secret spy dude trying to go after boxxy.
the series has been finished a few months ago.

>>17254467
Go fuck your dog then

>>17255612
ahh the edward from in the series
yeah he's a fucking cuck lmao the whole series was waiting for boxxy to dunk on him

>>17255609
that's not a tslur, just a crossdresser

>>17255623
I will.

>>17255612
>the series has been finished a few months ago
is there a gigantic epub compilation yet

>>17255609
That's like half of biological women too. The rest mostly have acne, they just don't bother with so much makeup.

>>17255630
no, you have to ruin your eyes on the RR website like I did, goy.

>>17250261
warbreaker and elantris are kind of shitty
stormlight is the only good series he has
in all of his books he spends too much time wanking over the rules of magic and how depressed the main characters are instead of writing about cool dudes doing cool things

>>17255630
the author is editing the books for publishing i think its only missing the the last two books. that being said you can just make your own epub with web2epub.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/webtoepub/akiljllkbielkidmammnifcnibaigelm

>>17255638
wrong
https://www.amazon.com/Morningwood-Everybody-Loves-Large-Chests-ebook/dp/B076NSQ6JT
i read some of this years back but didn't keep up with it

>>17255640
motherfucker if I knew this extension exists I would have been so much more comfortable over my life

>>17255640
i never got into reading through online websites thankfully
yes i did read the entirety of desolate era in one big xboxhueg ~115hr file on my kindle

>>17255639
I read Elantris when it first released and, yeah. I was very surprised, and continue to be, at how popular he became.

>>17251734
Has anyone gone through and read his old blog posts? There are some interesting ideas, but desu he comes off as an insufferable arrogant and socially awkward dickhead. Like this post where he recounts an awkward interaction with continental philosopher Catherine Malabou, who he previously derided in a rambling blogpost, and tries to blame it on her. Then goes off and off in the comments about how much more he knows about her field of study than she does. Major failed PhD energy, bros.... I think the man needs to scrutinize the darkness that comes before his own soul. Desu he seems like the kind of person who would tripfag on /lit/ and post long edgy rants in philosophy threads.
https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2016/02/06/the-discursive-meanie/#comments

>>17255841
>inb4 bakkerfags shitposting

I am going to start Thomas Covenant shitposting and I would like some other Covenantbros to join in on the fun. If Bakkerbros can do it, so can we.

> The next book is coming... eventually!
> Just wait two years bro!

What's the best fantasy novel for coomers that isn't made for coomers?

>>17255962
Based. As a Bakkerfag, I believe fans of all other series of quality should nurture their own robust meme cultures here in the exalted halls of /sffg/. If you meme it well enough, you might convince some anons to read it and join you. (Excluding Sandaro of course – curse him.)

I'm reading Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy and I don't get the humour at all.
It's probably not helping that I'm not a native English speaker.
If I don't find it funny 2 hours in, should I continue? Are the other aspects (story, worldbuilding) worth it?

>>17255841
I didn't fail I quit!

>>17255966
kino, also bakkaro himself being in the face is something special man

>>17255973
havent read it, wheel or time, also haven't read it gene wolfe.

>>17255991
it's reddit and athiesm and year 2000 core, might just not be your thing

>>17255986
>Be Covenant
>Be misanthropic leper who hates life and society (The typical 4chan user)
>Get transported to fantasy universe and is cured
>He thinks that he's dreaming and its all bullshit
>Random woman shows up and tells him he's not dreaming
>Thisiswherethefunbegins.jpg
>Commits one of the most horrific acts and single handedly destroys her mental state
>Despite this, he's still the hero and chosen one
>You root for him for the following nine books as well
How did Donaldson get away with it?

>>17255991
>It's probably not helping that I'm not a native English speaker.
As a native English speaker, it also doesn't help to not be British.

>>17254276
>Atticus O’Sullivan, last of the Druids, lives peacefully in Arizona, running an occult bookshop and shape-shifting in his spare time to hunt with his Irish wolfhound. His neighbors and customers think that this handsome, tattooed Irish dude is about twenty-one years old—when in actuality, he’s twenty-one centuries old. Not to mention: He draws his power from the earth, possesses a sharp wit, and wields an even sharper magical sword known as Fragarach, the Answerer.

>Unfortunately, a very angry Celtic god wants that sword, and he’s hounded Atticus for centuries. Now the determined deity has tracked him down, and Atticus will need all his power—plus the help of a seductive goddess of death, his vampire and werewolf team of attorneys, a bartender possessed by a Hindu witch, and some good old-fashioned luck of the Irish—to kick some Celtic arse and deliver himself from evil.
christ, i doubt many irish people would want to read this crap

>>17256156
Atticus O’Sullivan, last of the Druids, lives peacefully in Arizona, running an occult bookshop and shape-shifting in his spare time to "hunt" with his Irish wolfhound.

>>17256181
He hunts the most elusive prey: the prostate

>>17256044
Oh god, I remember being a naive preteen Tolkien addict, used to Terry Brooks Middle Earth Lite series to scratch my elves n hobbits itch, and the Thomas Covenant book covers being too shiny & faggy to resist.:^(

>>17256156
Sounds like a class-bent Dresden Files.

>>17256188
I bet a thousands years old shapeshifting druid got a pretty killer technique tbqh, he probably got every teen boy in his area spraying like fire hydrants & converted to satanism, the dirty, literally ancient, occult pedo he is

>>17256226
One of the things that makes Covenant so great is that it punches you right in the face. Covenant is one of the most unpredictable characters in Fantasy and that's part of the fun.

>>17253340
Ouch. Good luck, anon.

Read 13 chapters of The Warrior Prophet today. Less than 200 hundred pages remain. Probably better than I remembered it, more action oriented, with long passages of pure exposition instead of an actual PoV telling the events and, in a way, everyone acting sort of predictably within what's already established, so that's probably why I considered it was not as polished. The fact they murdered all those fellow inrithi in the desert was odd, since it's never discussed who suggested they do it or who gave the orders, so you can't really make new assumptions of what the nobles will do.
I had forgotten about the tiny doll. That was silly, but okay.
I wish I could forget some of you faggots' description of Kellhus fighting as anime.

Also, who the fuck is the Dread God? Does he have a name or is he just one of the many aspects of the God? I don't recall it being mentioned in the first book.

>>17256336
I personally enjoy the long-winded archaic omniscient exposition, it's reminiscent of the Old Testament and the Silmarillion.

>tfw you like fantasy in concept but at the same time are utterly tired of all the things that happen in capital-F fantasy novels

Any recommendations for novels with a fantasy setting that have their main focus on something else?

>>17256418
wizard of earthsea

>>17254527
>Archives

Lol

>>17254400
Someone used to shill Maas constantly, probably as a jape

>>17255141
Lmao

I actually think it's a reasonable comparison for a meme image. They're both about mental illness, self destructive tendencies and the refusal to connect with others. Also the protagonist pilots a cyborg mech

>>17256418
Lyonesse, Discworld, Mask of the Sorcerer, Earthsea

>>17254527
>No Bakker

This is how you know it’s Reddit

>The race of lovers did nothing wrong

>>17256336
dread god is probably no god? idk

>>17256044
That was one of the worst books I ever read, why did you have to remind me it exists

>>17256865
If it has rape in it then it's at least a decent book.

>>17256668
>We are the race of FLESH

>>17257049
Does that vagina have herpes and a penis?

Are there hard covers for Bakker books?

>>17257164
Yes. What do you expect after a millennia of rape.
Not sure when they grafted on the pp though.

>>17257187
No.

>>17257283
Except that's wrong. I've owned a hardcover copy of TDTCB since high school.

>>17254470
Isn't that true for every sci-fi bord.

>>17257332
No, there are no hardcovers.
Yours is probably just a little stiff.

>>17254527
>middle earth universe

>>17257338
Stfu retard

any fantasy books where religious characters feature prominently and they aren't pedo popes or crypto athiests

>>17257391
Between Two Fires by Christopher Buehlman, although there are a couple of buggering priests.

>>17257391
Dune, Prince of Nothing, Latro in the Mi>>17257411
st, Book of the New Sun and Book of the Long Sun

A fun lark from Wolfe. I wish that I could rate this a 4 (or even 5) for the quality of the prose and the immersive world Wolfe has created, but my enjoyment was hampered at several points by Wolfe's fucked up gender politics. Having read something like 8 or 9 of his books now, I'm seriously sick of Every. Single. Female. Character. being either a naïve child, a magical entity/godess (who is usually trying to kill or seduce the protagonist), or literally a prostitute. I am seriously starting to get the feeling that Gene Wolfe does not view females as fully human. It's fucking horrible.

>>17257456
Cope

>>17257456
You will never be a woman.

>>17257456
What book retard?

>>17257456
>Every. Single. Female. Character. being either a naïve child, a magical entity/godess (who is usually trying to kill or seduce the protagonist), or literally a prostitute
WTF I love Wolfe now

>>17257456
Just because you think prostitutes aren't "fully human" doesn't mean Wolfe does, God leftists are disgusting.

>>17257487
latro in the mist #1

>>17257456
Is this a goodreads review?

>>17257456
Sounds like every scrote author ever.

>>17254527
I sincerely hope that that list is a joke. See:
-Sanderson is #1, #4, #5
-Harry Potter is #8
-Worm is #21 (it's literally a massively bloated first draft)
-Tons of Reddit tier picks

>>17257456
>either a naïve child, a magical entity/godess (who is usually trying to kill or seduce the protagonist), or literally a prostitute

I disagree. What about a majority of the female cast of Long Sun/Short Sun? Yes there's some prostitutes (a Biblical reference), but all the nuns and the members of the Trivgaunte were great. Also Thecla is critical for BotNS and she doesn't fall into your classifications.

Wolfe just writes alpha chad characters, so obviously they see the world and the women within it in a certain way. If you find this strange, that is simple because you're not an alpha chad.

>>17254527
The wheel of time is fucking generic garbage.

>>17256418
I don't get it. What happens in Capital-F Fantasy novels that makes you tired of it? I'm curious, not trying to shitpost.

>>17255639
The first Mistborn is so good and some of my best memories reading are when I read Mistborn for the first time like 6ish years ago. I couldn't get into the other Mistborn series, but the first trilogy was just perfect in my opinion. I've since gotten over so many other books that it honestly makes me sad that I'll never be bright-eyes and happy-go-lucky about reading books anymore. Nowadays for me it's ALL about the literary value which is grand coming from someone who likes the fantasy, at least in theory if not fully in practice.

>>17254733
It seemed interesting with industrial revolution elves and mythological monsters, until suddenly the main character smoked fags behind the school with drunk brittish urban youth and had magic gangbangs.

>>17257456
women are not fully human

>>17254221
Welcome back based Mass poster. Thought you died of covid.

is it pronounced baker or back-er

>>17257941
A double consonant should make the preceding vowel short, so it should be like backer.

>>17257941
It’s baker, like the profession. I thought it was backer, but you really can’t trust a Canadian to make sense.

>>17257941
It's like you would pronounce "biker"

Tried listening to the audiobook because I don't have a lot of time to read these days, and holy fuck is it hard to follow. I need to get a physical copy because I cannot process all the shit going on while I'm working

>find out about a book that looks interesting
>do some research on it, end up on goodreads reviews
>any review written under a female name complains about how the women are depicted/presented/absent, docks at least 1 star because of it
I just don't get it. I've read books that had depictions of one sex or the other in generally unflattering light but it's never made me dislike a book enough to consider it a true criticism of it's overall quality

Sanderson just has consistent quality. He also tends to wrap up his stories very nicely, which very hard to do. Plus his books seem to work very well as audiobooks.

I am also the only person that likes the second Mistborn series more then the first.
Michael Kramer also does an amazing job as a narrator, especially with a drunk Wayne. But I also love that he managed to pull of a sequel to a trilogy that more or less wrapped everything up properly.

I'm just confused he hasn't collaborated with the Devil Mouse, having Sanderson write Devil Mouse novels would be very lucrative, as well as making films out of his stories.

>>17258427
>Sanderson just [...] consistent [...].
yes

>>17258427
>consistent
He's the Coors Lite of fantasy writers. Consistent, ultra-bland, designed for mass production and consumption.

>>17249974
I really enjoyed the prince of nothing series but I got the ending to the next series spoiled and it doesn't really appeal. Loved Kellhus in this though.

Also enjoyed the prince of thorns, even though it was obviously written for angsty teens.

Any other books with sociopathic manipulators as protagonists? Preferably ones where they're the main protagonists

Anyone read this?
There is a lot of fantasy/sci-fi stuff that's highly rated on Goodreads/Amazon but I don't see them on any /lit/ lists.

Also looking at the Farseer trilogy by Robin Hobb & The Broken Earth series N.K. Jemisin.

>>17258535
Until the events of TUC I always thought that Kelhus was one of those edgy ass mary sues that were rampant in the early 2010s lol. I'm actually glad the second trilogy sidelined him a bit.

>>17258535
for shame, Anon. i had the big ending spoiled too but the fun is all in how they get there. i personally think the second series is quite a bit better than the first (certainly it's more mythical and less in the "human" realm of politics and intrigue), and you get a lot more of Kellhus' fuckery. worth reading desu

Is this just 'Edgy Teenage Angst: The book', or does it get better?

>>17258554
*second series

>>17254433
Still wake up in a autistic sweat over this book ngl
>>17256336
Dune got away with much more skipping over details, I don't blame Bakker too much for this

>>17258427
>consistent
He displayed noticeable improvement at one point (compare some of his mid-entry works to titles like Elantris) yet has receded back into comfortable repetitive filler (filling?) nonsense. His short stories are among his best entries; his overall works wildly inconsistent. Compare the scope of SA1/2 to SA3/4.
>I am also the only person that likes the second Mistborn series more then the first
Not hard to do when Mistborn Era 2 has some of his few better characters, Wayne being his best, and his writing somehow isn't mostly insulting tedium.
Mistborn Era 1 has retarded shit like Zane, and Mare's death still being RAFO because hurr plot point fuck you Sanderson

>>17257456
this is literally every woman though? Sounds like you're the sexist one here chud.
Sex work is real work

>>17258558
look at the cover

>>17254527
This made me curious
What's /sffg/ list of top books?

>>17254433
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>>17258577
Around the same big titles because only a handful of people vote and they vote multiple times.

>>17258577
It's hard to pin down specific books. Wolfe's Solar Cycle, Peter Watt's Blindopraxia books and the still ongoing Terra Ignota (Too Like the Lightning series, Ada Palmer) are some of my top hits. Also bit fan of the 3 Body trilogy.

If you really want single books, Fifth Head of Cerberus, Roadside Picnic or just Blindsight alone.

>>17258574
>Sex work is real work
giving ass is work, LMAO

>>17256336
>Also, who the fuck is the Dread God?

mog pharau aka "no god" is not my savior

>>17255429
>Indian gods sentence an entire kingdom to destruction because the prince invented toilets

>>17258596
3 body has some interesting ideas but I never really felt the ideas connected into a cohesive story.
A bit like the foundation series actually in that regard.
The morals of the three books are (in order)
* don't trust intellectuals
* aliens shoot first
* don't trust women
enjoyed it though

>>17258548
The Riyria Chronicles are ok, I give it like a 6.5
The series that is prequel to Chronicles is un-ironically bad and I don't recommend it.

>>17258627
Yeah, the books were written by a spergy computer engineer, which is why characters (and society in general) feel a bit idealized and wooden.

>>17258627
The Three-Body Problem has a really dry English translation for some reason.

>>17258572
I feel like you would beat the shit out of me with a bat, while agreeing with me. You scare me.

>>17258645
yeah it was definitely the weakest. The only interesting character was the women collaborator.
Don't really remember the second (that's the one with the people with secret plans against the aliens) and also it brings up the only original philosophical idea of the series (dark forest)
Third was mostly about not trusting women (so therefore the best)

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>>17258650
Watch out, bro. I'm like Taravangian.
On one side, I can be your kind benevolent savior.
On the other, a TWISTED FUCKING SOCIOPATH hellbent on destroying your entire system and everyone you love to save MINE