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*all morality is derived from human nature, which is described in the bible
the bible had to be based on something, anon

>morality is
heh

>>17251277
Massive falsehood
Hang your head in shame

You're right Alex.

>>17251286
You should be silent until you're allowed to speak, woman.

>>17251277
That's why its cringe

>Internet Explorer

>>17251277
right

>>17251395
beat me to it

>>17251277
religions are semi axiomatic metaphysical and ethic systems. I don't see why none understands this

>>17251277
>all morality is derived from the bible
>bible was compiled after Jesus died
>Jesus did not have access to the full bible as you would define it

Your definition of morality is obviously a semantical hazard to win hopeless arguments against people who derive morality from somewhere else. I can't stop you from defining morality in this way, but I can point out that this is a reductive way of thinking and another lame reframing of a word that proves nothing and lowers overall dialogue.

Nice bait

>>17251277
That can't be true.

>>17251277
What about morality from before the publication of the Bible?

>>17251581
probably something like
>they didn't need the bible because the bible was conferred through the power of the holy spirit living within them

>>17251277
Morality is a spook

>>17251529
>nooo its reductive so its wrong

i dont have any basedjaks saved but im sure you can imagine one

>>17251277
*all correct morality

>>17251286
Tranny.......

>before the Bible, there was no morality
Imagine unironically thinking this. Only the mentally retarded and Americans think this, same thing but still

>>17251282
holy fuck read some real literature. The bible says nothing interesting about human nature unless if you're studying it anthropologically or something.

>>17251336
Turns out I am allowed.

>17251629
>no argument. Just baseless accusation

>>17251619
Instead of arguing that The Bible is the correct morality, OP is arguing that The Bible is where morality comes from. That's not supporting your morality system, that just reframing morality to make arguing easier.

inb4
>well I derive morality from [insert source]
>"thats not morality because its not from the bible"

>>17251627
This is a better approach

>morality
More like schmorality.

>>17251750
>This is a better approach
Yes, but still dumb and wrong

>>17251646
All morality is derived from the Butterfly.


<3

>>17251639
>The bible says nothing interesting about human nature
If you actually believe this then you are beyond help.

>>17251277
You are completely right Alex.

>>17251766
I agree. I have a massive pet peeve for semantics. If everyone can just go around re-defining what words mean, it makes having quality arguments difficult.

Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

5 And Saul came to a city of Amalek, and laid wait in the valley.

6 And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites.

7 And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt.

8 And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.

>>17251787
Cope. The Bible is the ancient version of Dianetics and is only popular because of normies and midwits being unable to accept death

>>17251402
The combination of the filename, the frog, and the post itself is really funny to me. Quality material.

>>17251787
thank goodness. I am euphoric because of my own enlightenment, like I said the only thing interesting about the bible intellectually is its impact and the historical forces it represents

>>17251822
I cannot accept materialism. Does that make me a normie or a midwit?

>>17251820
they were evil child killers

lots of "christians" don't seem very moral or ethical people.

>>17251905
...let alone non christians.

>>17251854
That doesn’t make you either of those, nor a Christian or even a theist for that matter

The truth is, trying to teach Kant's moral theory to 99% of the population is a lost cause. Religion ought to be original source of our morality and your sophisticated philosophical theories about the good life will always be on a second plane.

>>17251946
but theism is alot more likely if materialism isn't true, don't you think?

christians are cult members

>>17251979
No?

>>17251993
Yes? Theism requires a non materialistic reality, because god by definition is not a creation and is above matter.
Marvel superheroes are not gods.

>>17251277
People legitimately believe that a 1900 year old book written by a bunch of different people is not only the correct morality, but the very source of morality.
>Accounts of Jesus are all second hand
>Many letters of Paul are written by schizos pretending to be Paul
>The apocrypha being conveniently left out despite at face value being as valid as the rest
>translated and assembled by people much later after these event unfolded
>God changing his mind for the lulz
And that's not even getting into all of the morally detestable takes the Bible has.

>>17252047
>Theism requires a non materialistic reality
So what? This is all based on mindless speculation, so there’s an infinite ways in which you can have this. Why have just one god? Why not have a god who died when he created the universe, leaving all of us stranded in an empty universe? Why not say the universe was made by an infinitely complex piece of technology? Why not say that the megaverse is a giant tree and that the universe is one of its branches? You don’t explain why your specific scenario is the most likely one

>>17252060
>muh old book
>muh schizos
>muh demiurge
>muh gnostics
>muh poor cannanites
lmao shut the hell up, faggot
>>17252104
>mindless speculation
it's just logic and interpretation based on observing the world around us.
Also, there shouldn't be multiple gods with opposing opinions; god cannot die because it isn't a creation; technology requires a creator; multiverse theory does not explain the origin of the multiverse.
Filtering out all of the illogical theories left me with a single, all powerful god.

>>17252191
>it's just logic and interpretation based on observing the world around us.
No it’s not you fucking retard. Causality doesn’t imply ‘a space jew got pissed over a riblady eating an apple because a snake wouldn’t shut up’

>>17252207
I should have mentioned that divine revelation is also important in determining which god is the true one. But you don't need it to know that there's a god by logical necessity.

>>17252243
>I should have mentioned that divine revelation is also important in determining which god is the true one.
And I’m sure that determining this has absolute nothing to do with cultural peer pressure whatsoever. Because religions never force their beliefs on anyone, ever

>>17251905
not true christians

>>17251981
not by any academic definition of cult, JW's, Amish and mormons maybe

>17251646
>ing a post is female behavior

>>17252254
I'm pretty sure that religious families/countries are not the only ones that have certain beliefs passed down from an higher authority figure to their children.

>>17251286
shut up you stupid mentally ill tranny

>>17252291
No, but determining whether a description is accurate isn’t done through authority. It doesn’t matter if a state bans the teaching of evolution, viruses will still mutate

>>17252326
Teaching kids that truth can only be determined through science is a belief that some modern nations choose as truth.

>>17251277
All morality in the Bible is built off of Egyptian customs.

>>17252191
>God values faith based belief
>"hmm yes today I will 'logically' work my way into proving that god exists"
>"to do this I will use empty maxims"
Christians are hilarious

>>17251277
morality comes from the dictates of reason

the bible is derived from the akkadians

>>17251277
If that were true, then people wouldn't have behaved morally pre-Bible, but we know they did.
Moral behavior was driven by humans evolving in social groups. We instinctually want to be moral and want others in our communities to be moral and those instincts were codified in the Bible - as well as in ten thousand other places throughout our history. If you are not LARPing, you should kill yourself.