/lit/ - Literature

RoW spoilers
>he still has an hour or so left in the book, hasn't even touched the epilogue yet
hehe

Fuck Trannys

Second Apocalypse setting is perfect for a Crusader Kings mod

Any books with this aesthetic/feel?
No W40K.
I tried Soul Cycle, but there was too much shit I couldn't stand, despite the setting being kind of what I was looking for.

Advice: How do I get a woman I am in love with to break up with her Husband when I have never actually spoken to her before?

Side note: She loves Fantasy.

>>17240235
Based

>>17240276
Wish I'd saved the no make-up picture now.

>>17240318
I don't care if she has acne. My love is not so fickle!

Best books featuring werewolves (or skinchanging, like in ASOIAF) as the good guys?
I think the Wheel of Time has werewolves (I'm reading it because of it), but I'm not sure.

>>17240274

>>>/t/945027
which one of you is this?

>>17240344
I have bad news for you

>>17240485
Who cares. The other fantasy book thread is much better as it has all fantasy books from 1930s onward

>>17240264
>>17240285
Sorry lads, first time I have ever made a thread. I thought I was helping ;_;

>>17240344
>I think the Wheel of Time has werewolves (I'm reading it because of it), but I'm not sure.
In a sense it does. Only one character has connection to wolves. And he has to share the stage with so many other characters. But you'll get some wolf spirit stuff

>>17240347
Looks promising, thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6-idyT_rN4
greene bros.... what went wrong??

>>17240844
There were never any greene bois
Daniel Greene is cringe youtuber that reads only widely accepted books. He is part of cancerous cancel culture. I am also pretty sure he is gay because he has admitted to being raised in LGBTQ+ environment and am having been sexually abused.

>>17240274
Sons of the Hydra
get rekt lol

>>17241029
hes a fag, may he learn the error of his sinful ways inshallah

>>17241086
based

I have a question for any chink novels fan.
Can you check under audiobooks in the wuxia world site and tell me the status of coiling dragon ring audiobook 2? Not going to sign up just to find that out.

>>17240844
is there some mathematical formula that explains how all ((content creators)) get inevitably mired in some retarded drama bullshit?

Every single Youtuber praising Sanderson is a Onions.

>>17241341
Everyone always tells me to follow sandersons videos on how to build magic systems as if he's a fucking rule of law.

>>17241359
sanderson and marvel are the two pillars of action fantasy storytelling. study up :^)

>>17241278
>is there some mathematical formula that explains how all ((content creators)) get inevitably mired in some retarded drama bullshit?
>Drama = Views = Money

I got you, senpai.

>>17241387
that's the obvious one, sure. but by doing so you pollute your fanbase with drama whores that don't care about your "normal" stuff. it's so blatantly suicidal that i was trying to think of any other reason

>>17241432
These people don't care about 'fanbases' and shit.
These people are Keemstar-clones. All they want is money and Instagram sponsorships.

>>17241029
Yeah he's fucking awful and he needs to leave My Merphy alone.

>>17241359
>>17241341
>>17241381
You should watch his lectures, at least you'll get where he's coming from and it will either finally click in your mind or you'll know exactly what NOT to do if you don't want your writing to be like his.

>>17241214
Chink bois?

>>17240775
it is a very good anthology but I think the recommendation was pretty misleading

>>17240221
Are there any authors you can't stand for a specific reason?

>Brian Aldiss
He wrote good SF and I liked a lot of his stories, but by god he could not write characters. They're always completely mouthpieces with token personalities.

Does anyone have any recs for a good sci-fi or fantasy book with first person narration? I want to see how they explain things to the reader especially when it’s something the main character should know. No Dresden Files or urban fantasy in general, please.

>>17241029
is there a single good youtuber covering books relevant to /sffg/, though?

>>17241029
>Daniel Greene is cringe youtuber that reads only widely accepted books.
That's the same shit for every hobby, though. Ain't no one gonna watch what you produce if they have no idea what you're talking about or can't relate at all. For books this seems to go doubly as much because they're such time investments compared to a movie or video games. It just means opinion validation matters even more.

>>17241672
how are there people ITT that haven't read BOTNS yet?

>>17241746
I am not so conceited to think I can properly mimic Wolfe.

>>17241674
BookswithEmilyFox
?

Is this good?

>>17241672
The Warlord Chronicles trilogy by Bernard Cornwell. Arthurian fantasy

>>17241833
>3 (THREE) hugo awards
Unlikely, but it's not like I'm going to bother finding out

>>17241053
Don't listen to this guy; Sons of the Hydra is shit.

... read Shroud of Night instead lmao

>>17241595
It seems different enough from what I've read recently, so I just might as well go ahead with it for now.
I doubt there is some proper cosmic horror/fantasy with far sci-fi elements in a gothic setting out there anyway.

>>17241443
So they're sociopaths basically.

>>17241817
Why do all these female book Youtubers look like they're barely keeping the crazy contained? Is it just that high energy comes off as manic with women? It creeps me out.

>>17241862
Jemisin did actually win three Hugo awards: 2016 2017, and 2018. All for the Broken Earth trilogy.

>>17241901
the second book Storm of Wings is both pretty cosmic horror and gothic

> Vile angel...

>>17241998
Sorry, what I meant to say is the fact that she's won the hugo award, let alone three times, makes it unlikely that her books are any good

> Tell me....

>>17241992
I don't know man. I do know I wanna facefuck shaelin

>>17241848
Bad idea. It's shit.

>>17242088
Is Hugo a reddit award?

>>17241992
>barely keeping the crazy contained
Never stick your dick in crazy unless its crazy devoted.
Yandere is best -dere and dont let anyone tell you differently.

>>17242105
Looks like a femboi / lesbian.

>>17242125
might as well be these days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlvhVbriCfY
why is this nigga in Chris Chan's old room

>>17242125
As far as I've seen it's been based mostly on diversity points for at least a decade now

>>17242152
didn't his editor say she hasn't seen a single page of that book lol

>>17242125
Has been since 2013.

>>17240221
>mfw going by Good Reads I realize I basically haven't read anything anything NEW released at least during the last decade
I look at all the titles and authors other people rave about and I realize I have no fucking idea who any of them are.

>>17242130
I thinks she's lgbtq something something.
You know queers are these days.

>>17242225
You missed out on the entirety of the flintlock fantasy craze then

>>17241674
I'd do it if anyone cared.

>>17241674
Not really.
Someone posted 'Oldenword Books' a few threads ago, he doesn't have much content, and the video quality isn't the best, but his selection and opinions are pretty good and different from what every other booktuber is paid to promote.

I wish there were some decent book podcasts that I can veg out to.
All the ones I have tried were either 'smell your own fart' pretentious, or 'FOTM Paid Promotions'.

>>17242225
biggest change you've missed out on in the last 10-15 years is that everything has become obsessively character-driven to a point of fetish. basically, if readers don't care about characters in the first fifty pages your book is trash.

>>17242422
netflix effect in action

>>17241992
Gee, who knows?
>>/lit/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=%22katie+loves+classic+books%22

>>17242422
>You need to read 1500 pages and the special edition appendices to start to like the main character
Stop wasting my time.

>>17241674
No. The more you actually know about them the more you realize what weird relationships they have with books. Like how, for example, they claim they're into SF, but then they also say they haven't read anything past '00s because it's "too problematic" or they can't stand older fantasy works because "shit's all vague and unexplained".

>>17242535
>you need to like the main character to enjoy a book
grow up

Why do all booktubers have the EXACT same color palette and background?

>>17242125
It was originally a prestigious award given to influential or groundbreaking books, but anymore they just give it to whichever author ticks the most diversity boxes. Some truly awful stuff ends up nominated for Hugos now, it's completely divorced from both quality and mainstream tastes, and thus no longer serves any purpose as an award for SFF.

>>17242949
what are you talking about?
most booktubers read the same books, but at least some of them have different aesthetics

>>17242949
Why do you watch "booktubers"? I can't think of a bigger waste of time.

>>17242994
>>17242989
I don't watch any, its just an observation from the shit I've seen posted here from time to time. The backgrounds all have the same tones, just this weird colorful clean boring as shit look.

>>17242727
That comes from this weird tendency where people read fiction to re-affirm their real life beliefs for some reason. So you get that bitching how literary works from the past are racist, bigoted, misogynistic, etc due to when they were written. It's not like that means you can't read them. After all, it's just fiction.

>>17242949
It's what modern "clean" rooms look like.
Well lit airy spaces. Predominantly white (on walls, ceiling), this aseptic quality exacerbated by cool LED lights or fluorescent lights, and the digital camera's white balance, software color grading. A wall painted with some brighter color maybe, as an accent, white mouldings everywhere. White invisible bookshelves.
The less hip ones go for a warmer look with black or dark bookshelves.

Seeing people in their own places imitating the aesthetic quality of a fucking TV ad is disgusting. They look like they live in hip bakery shops.

>>17243172
post a picture of your room

“Sin is real, Esmi. Damnation is real. I know because I have seen it. I bear those two grisly trophies to overawe, certainly, but to serve as a constant reminder as well. Knowledge is responsibility, and ignorance—though you and so many others abhor it—truly is innocence.”
Mother glared in disbelief. “So you deceive me, keep me ignorant, to save me from sin?”
“You … and all mankind.”
The little boy thought of his father bearing the weight of every malicious act committed in his name, shuddered for the thought of damnations piled upon damnations.
Something insane rolled through the Blessed Empress’s look.
“The weight of sin is found in premeditation, Esmi, in the wilful use of others as tools.” His gaze clicked to the flames. “I have made this World my tool.”
“To destroy Golgotterath,” she said, as if naming the solitary point of agreement.
“Yes,” her divine husband replied.
“Then why are you here? Why leave your precious Great Ordeal?”
The little boy gasped for the sheer beauty of it … the effortlessness of his mastery.
“To save you.”

>>17242246
fuck i hate this shit, one of the most recent additions to my do-not-bother red flags list.

>>17243098
>That comes from this weird tendency where people read fiction to re-affirm their real life beliefs for some reason.

>>17243202
I can't, I have too many MLP posters and pornographic figures.

>>17243202
here you go

>>17241214
Can one of you chinkshit posters answer this?

>>17243392
there's like one person here who actually reads that stuff and he's probably a fucking australian

>>17243208
Is there anyone more DAMNED than Kellhus?

>>17240235
Why?

>>17243434
because their boipussi is tight and juicy

>>17243426
Plenty of us read xianxia which is anon's problem for being an auditory pleb.

>>17243434
Because they're ugly and literally faggots

>>17243215
Why? It's a good setting

>>17243438
hello one person

>>17243430
>>17243208

This sounds like Kellhus at his most benevolent desu. Willing to make any sacrifice to save humanity. Yes he's damned, so far beyond damned that's he's saved? I think the true morality in Eärwa involves risking your own soul to save others, hence the Mandate Catechism...
B-bros, is le heckin nihilist-pessimist Bakker actually a goad towards Christian values? His books make me want to go back to church.
Also, more than anything I'm curious what happens to Kell in Hell and where he goes from there. In the golden room, he dgaf about damnation (thanks to his pact with Ajokli?) Bakker said in an interview that K is "dead, but not done." Did he do some fuckery with the Decapitants? Will he resurrect after 3 days? Will he conquer Hell, or is that just a meme?

>>17243500
>only one person reads x genre
hello newfag

>>17243496
no, it never is. gunplay in fantasy doesn't work, it breaks everything, you can't use swords, crossbows are hard to justify, castle walls and all that other shit that makes medieval battles interesting are just irrelevant because cannons, there's always some jumping through hoops bullshit like 'the walls are warded against cannonfire' to enable that kind of shit to exist
it's just so forced and boring, muskets are insanely inaccurate, i don't care about fucking flash powder or flash pans or priming charges or ram rods or any of that dumb bullshit. it's an in-between setting that fails at everything modern and everything medieval, i fucking hate it and i'm not reading anything else that uses it because it's universally trash.

>>17243500
>>17243426
I am not Australian

Based Bakkerbro baaased. Just on page 150 of the book II the warrior prophet. I didn't think there's any good fantasy left and was tired of people shilling me Sanderson because I don't like it. Boy aint I glad I discovered this

>>17243516
if you're not that person, have you ever tried readin xianxia?
it's fucking awful
i hope that nobody else reads it

>>17243534
Just wait til Kellhus evels up. And up and up.

>>17243520
Are you saying you only read fantasy for medieval pitched battles? Because that's weird, fuck swords, I'd much rather have magical napoleonic wars

>>17243520
I agree with this anon, keep the fucking ramrods out of my goddamn fantasy setting.

>>17243534
Just wait til Kellhus levels up. And up and up and up.

>>17243547
no, i've enjoyed some urban fantasy, and the jon shannow books feature gunplay (not fucking muskets) and those are fairly solid because it's gemmell, i just don't want a mix. it's the in-between setting that fucks everything.

also battles with traditional infantry/archers/cavalry are the heart of good seige conflicts with trenches and sapping and ladders on walls and all that shit, you lose all that with cannon nonsense. the whole setting just ends up being propped up on justification after justification to try to make it work all so you can have fucking powder charges and flash pan misfires for dramatic effect, it's just misguided and shitty.

>>17243543
ive read the entirety of coiling dragon and desolate era
stop speaking for other people

>>17243567
stop having shit taste

>>17243561
I'm trying to understand, do you feel this way about real history too? Like, every battle between 1750-1870 is just a shitty hybrid of old and new?

>>17243558
Sorry bakkerbro but I can't read what's in the spoiler yet!

>>17243580
i don't read non-fiction or historical fiction set in that era, other than boat stuff like hornblower.

>>17243593
There's magical Hornblower stories too in the flintlock genre. Temeraire is pretty good

>>17240765
You tried, which is more than some of the "START THE NEW THREAD FAGGOT" leeches can say. And now you know for next time.

>>17243599
no, temeraire is not good. i've never read hornblower-era stuff that was magical, i know robin hobb did some shit with boats in between trilogies and i liked the first/last trilogy but skipped the boats, ironically it wasn't interesting at all. might've been the female captain, the shoehorned "this traditionally male character is now female but just as capable" shit is also a huge red flag.

>>17241672
I generally dislike first person narration because of how up-its-own-ass the story can get by being actively narrated by the main character (Dresden novels, while tolerable in degree, are emblematic of this problem) This is probably my favorite first-person fantasy novel I've ever read. It's written more akin to a biography in its narration by the main character, and is a solid fantasy work to boot. Please disregard the dime-store romance cover art and the woman author.

>>17241746
I started Blindsight and I can only read one meme at a time.

>>17243599
>There's magical Hornblower stories too in the flintlock genre
Different anon, but what are they? I would love to read some. The Aubrey-Maturin books are my favorite books in the world, and I was thinking of trying to write some boat fantasy.

>>17243663
Temeraire is the main one that's very similar, although it's only on actual boats at the start. On Stranger Tides is decent. The Bone Ships is also good

>>17243730
Neat thanks, I'll definitely check a couple of those out.

First Men=Celts or Saxons depending on the story
Andals=Saxons
Valyrians=Normans

GRRM has stated that his biggest influences on ASOIAF have been The Once and Future King and Ivanhoe, both books have a theme of struggle between a conquered class of nobles and their foreign conquerors.

Berncuck Cornball is shit
Characters are sociopaths and murders presented as in the moral right, claims to be historically accurate while actually terribly inaccurate, pathologically anti-clerical.

Warlord Chronicles are hideous. Imagine taking the shining legend of Arthur and turning into a sequence of unsightly turds, turning poor noble Lancelot into a cowardly rapist, Arthur into a characterless pagan, Merlin into a rapist and murderer. I spit on Corncob, his work is garbage.

>>17243872
yeah those books are trash

>>17243638
>Please disregard
no. this is not what my collection of biases is for, i have learned from bad things, i will not disregard the red flags.

>>17243872
you want the once and future king by t.h. white, not cornwall, he fucking sucks.

any fellow fantasy writers here. what do you read, how do you improve yourselves. thanks boys

>>17243589
Good lad

>>17243930
Already read once and future king my lad

>>17243979
then you have, sadly, finished your journey of reading good arthurian novels.

>>17243933
I find it’s helpful to post passages here or in the writing thread and have anons tell you it’s pure shit.

>>17241674
sff180 is okay I guess. Short and concise, with some relatively salient points (at least in comparison to most booktubers). It actually helps that he's a middle-aged dude, so he doesn't really follow popular trends, or give YA schlock any extra points for dumb shit like overindulgent "worldbuilding" or "magic systems". Bit too much paraphrasing of a book's premise and initial plot setup, however.

>>17243983
what are those one cringe feminist morgana books written by that pedophile woman

>magic systems
aaaaaaand dropped

>>17243996
>YA
>worldbuilding
If you keep just plugging in "thing I dislike" when you're trying to make legitimate criticisms people are going to start wondering if you actually know what those words mean.

>>17241746

Breath of The Old Nigger Sadist?

>>17244128
Close.
Book of the New Sun.

>>17243979
>>17243983
Le Morte? Green Knight? The Lancelot-Grail? Idylls? Parzival?

>>17244121
he watches booktubers, he doesn't have any opinions worth listening to

>>17243998
Mists of Avalon.

>>17244171
>feminist darling is actually a horrific child abusing monster
amazing

>>17240844
>>17241029
>Incels seething over Chad yet again
sad desu

Stay away from this shit

>>17243853
>GRRM has stated that his biggest influences on ASOIAF have been The Once and Future King
Lmao
You mixed up the book titles. It's The Iron King.

In going to a house party tonight with at least one arthoe in attendence, what sffg series/author should I namedrop?

>>17243638
>the woman author
lmao fuck no, into the trash it goes.

>>17240221
>tfw all new chinkshit is just subversive chinkshit
Oh well it was fun while it lasted

>>17244836
Bakker

>>17244856
meant for>>17244830

>>17240221
>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
charts are lazy and worthless

>>17244830
>arthoe
lovecraft lol

>>17244903
>charts are lazy and worthless
Only because you'd rather discuss false morals with autists than actually read

>>17244707
but it's superb

>>17244830
call her an arthoe and see what she thinks

>>17243558
>he keeps leveling up
How lol? I only got halfway through the first book before I got distracted but he’s already mindfucking and manipulating everything around him

>>17245247
Stick with it. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet, kiddo.

You may not like it, but this is what peak modern sci fi looks like.

>>17245350
>audiobook
Based?

>>17245360
Yes. But only if it's also available in some other form - ebook or print.

>>17245408
Maximum retention

>reading gardens of the moon
>following along perfectly with the story
was people saying its too complicated just a meme or they actually that stupid

>>17244667
Hes a fag.
He eats my cum out of his art hoe gf.

>>17245453
>malazan
Are you gay?

>>17240231
Everything I hated about oathbringer was magnified two fold for ROW. At this point I'm only reading to see what's Kal's final fate at the end of all of this is, he's the only thing i still care about in the whole series. Once he's out I'm out. On a semi related note I want to stick glass in the eyes of everyone at the 17th shard forums.

>>17243445
So you're saying you want to fuck faggots.

>>17245492
Having your cum eaten by another man makes you gay

>>17244830
Try to convince her that Ada by Nabokov counts as a fantasy novel.

>>17245408
It is available in those inferior formats.

>>17245892
Good. An audiobook that is only available as an audiobook is just a podcast - literally one of the worst forms of entertainment in existence second only to video game streamers. The fact that a book format exists elevates it to literature.

>>17245915
This is retarded, and you're retarded. Radio plays are some of the greatest things human culture has ever developed.

>>17245923
maybe if you're 90.

>>17245923
Frankly, I'm surprised that the radio play-esque format didn't make more of a comeback with podcasts. Which isn't to say that they don't exist, but there isn't a War of the Worlds of podcast.

>>17245941
In the early days of podcasting they were a major part of the culture. I listened to so many episodes of Nocturne Boulevard. Even got to be in one. There were bunches of shows like it. I think most of them have died off now, though

Hi frens, I'm working on a new series of books. I posted in the last thread and people said I need to work on my writing (I agree, I will). Here's my setting premise.... Thoughts?
> There was a War in Heaven.
> The Angels split in two factions, the rebels and the loyalists. In their insane war, they destroyed Heaven, and fell to earth.
> Their Fall was cataclysmic, almost completely obliterating the advanced techno-medieval human society. In its wake, the Angels have set themselves up as the rulers of Earth.
> They are complex beings, both beautiful, protective, graceful, and often capricious; they are both good and evil, in degrees. They have gone somewhat insane from being forced to exist in the material plane for so long. None are pure.
> The Angels take on a variety of appearances, from traditional beautiful beings with wings, to shining abstractions of flame and eyes.
> Specially Chosen humans serve them in their Choirs. Other humans, the vast masses, are broken in the great Fabricators that harness the power of earth to serve the Angels' cryptic whims.
> The Angels of Light claim their goal is to build a vessel that would be able to transport them and their human Elect back to the Heaven they were cast out of.
> The Angels of Darkness claim their goal is to transform the World into an artificial re-creation of Heaven.
> Add intrigue and infighting within both factions.
> There are also humans who want to destroy all of the angels.
> There are also Dragons, which are more like Eastern dragons – nature spirits, in contrast to the heavenly angels.
> And all of them are in danger of losing their souls to the nihilic Void that encircles them all, into which the world sinks deeper every day.

I'm wondering how much Hell should play a role, and whether this is a pure high fantasy, or to what extent it's "actually" science fiction. I also need great characters, and to write the damn thing....

>>17245923
They wouldn't be literally non-existent these days with 90 percent of them being lost media forever if that was the case.

>>17245958
Inner Sanctum mostly survived, and that's all that really matters

>>17245923
>he thinks podcasts are radio plays
You give Joe Rogan way too much credit.

>>17245951
You don't need to put a space between the > and what you type.

Honestly, biggest complaint is the 'light vs darkness' part. And by that I literally mean the names. No one, especially a fucking angel, would willingly label themselves as the bad guys. Not sure how I feel about the dragons. They don't feel fitting in a religious inspired setting. I'd say make them demons instead and rebrand them so that demons aren't necessarily evil, but spirits of the natural world which focus more on self preservation - which makes them more 'evil' in practice. Or something like that. Mixing doesn't really work unless you change the names and present it as something fresh. Otherwise it just feels disorganized, like you couldn't settle on a premise.

Definitely got a good foundation there, but I'm always hesitant that religious stuff veers into Sandman Slim territory of just slapping religious monikers on things to make it feel edgier.

>>17245982
I'm responding to someone who claims that an audiobook without written literature is just a podcast. Which is fair in some ways, in that podcasts include a lot more than just interview shows. There are radio play podcasts.

>>17245941
>>17245923
They actually did an audio drama and got a bunch of different voice actors like roberto picardo and kate mulgrew. It was pretty sweet.

And they are literally just books, but they are more popular in the Audio Book format because they got a really good voice actor to do them that has a big following.

>>17245951
>There was a War in Heaven.
dropped.

>>17245984
Thanks for the input. Yes, I definitely want to avoid the typical "muh Catholic grimdark" cliches. My Angels are certainly inspired by William Blake, Hieronymus Bosch, and eastern Orthodox imagery of angels, but also Gnostic Archons, eastern Devas/Asuras, Tolkien's Elves and Bakker's nonmen and inchoroi. They are spiritual beings far greater than humanity, yet prone to their own profound weaknesses. And they equally demonic as they are angelic. I'm still not sure about the dragons/demons question.

I definitely won't call the factions "light/darkness"– those are just placeholders!

>>17246002
I guess I'm surprised that people would rather have one person do all the work than a team of actors.

>>17240221
https://www.deviantart.com/uthp/journal/The-Legend-of-Twilight-Zelda-Princess-part-I-348420007

>>17243520
>>17243561
Everything you have mentioned except for crossbows and archers appear in gunpowder warfare, you're just too much of a brainlet to appreciate it. Yes, even trenches, sieges and 'sapping' as if you even fucking know what that is.

pic related, a gunpowder era fortress

>>17246142
I don't think that's what people prefer, it's just what happens due to cost.

>>17243561
>>17243520
Everything you have mentioned except for crossbows and archers appear in gunpowder warfare, you're just too much of a brainlet to appreciate it. Yes, even trenches, sieges and 'sapping' as if you even fucking know what that is.

pic related, a gunpowder era fortress

>>17246216
clearly you didn't read the post properly

>>17243520
Series related was pretty good but you wouldn’t know that because you seem like a whiny little bitch

>>17246238
>Sanderson says it's just plain awesome
>Cringe cover
D r o p p e d

>>17243520
Who reads fantasy for siege warfare?

>>17246238
read this whole series, it wasn't good and i regretted wasting my time on it. characterization is inconsistent and often frustrating, flora or whatever was fucking annoying and irrelevant, and the only good character dying at the end was pointless drama.
it even has the generic trope of badass female warriors in it, it's fucking abysmal and your taste is shit.

>>17243520
>>17246227
>gunplay in fantasy doesn't work, it breaks everything, you can't use swords
You know they used swords still in the napoleonic wars where guns were the primary weapons right? You seem to think you’re far smarter than you actually are, because you clearly have no fucking idea what you’re talking about in the slightest

Is there a fantasy book that follows a pirate crew, mercenary group, or bounty hunter type.

>>17246256
>generic trope of badass female warriors in it
There’s literally like 2 women in the series. One is a retard autistic savant who never talks and the other is a Mary sue who they instantly go out of their way to make you hate because she’s an annoying cunt

>>17246252
>haven't read it
>its shit
>>17246256
>read all of it
>its shit
based retards

Speaking of Kay, has anyone read Tigana? I thought the first few chapters were awesome but any time Dianora was the POV character, it slowed down to an unbearable pace.

>>17246274
You do know the Napoleonic wars weren't exactly about close range fights, right?
That they stopped using plate mail when they became obsolete due to guns? That cavalry also became obsolete because why the fuck would you?
You answered yourself. Edged weapons were not the primary weapons. It breaks everything. In Japan they were reserved for the lowest caste soldiers due to muh honor and shit, and in time it ruined everything.

Flintlock fantasy is just boring.

>>17246408
>That cavalry also became obsolete because why the fuck would you?
Cavalry didn't become obsolete until the repeating rifle. Firearms started being used in warfare in Europe around 1270 to 1300, Cavalry was still in use until 1930.

>>17246408
I'm legitimately confused about what you're trying to say. It sounds like you hate flintlocks because it makes swords obsolete? Do you think you can't have fights without swords?

>>17246408
>That cavalry also became obsolete because why the fuck would you?

Please stop embarrassing yourself, cavalry were still used during the flintlock era, the same with some armor. I don't think this is even you just lacking historical knowledge but you not willing to lend your imagination to something that doesn't fit your personal template for fantasy

flintlock fantasy is shit because it provides characters redundant solutions to resolve conflicts
the fact that they could have done it with a gun cheapens magic and vice versa
also it's shit because the kind of people who feel the need to shove guns into a genre where it doesn't add anything are not the kind of people who have the iq required to write a book
if you own guns, whatever, if you think they're "cool" enough to write or read about you are probably a mouthbreather

>>17246561
>cheapens magic

gomenasai, Sanderson-sama...I kneel

>>17246561
I can't even fathom being so retarded that you think the only appeal of magic is that it can kill people from far away in a setting where that's otherwise impossible. Oh, except for bows or other ranged weapons that have existed for almost all of human history. That's different because those require skill.

>>17246561
>cheapens magic
That is literally the entire point of the setting. It's a response to power creep where most fantasy places characters with magic at the YA novel level of chosen one type gods that can't possibly fail because they have magic. Especially since you don't have a problem with urban fantasy, I simply don't understand what your issue is.

>>17242727
>or they can't stand older fantasy works because "shit's all vague and unexplained".
I always considered that a joking opinion until I actually realized just how many people jack off to MUH MAGIC SYSTEM with its three laws. As if having autistically explained magic will by default improve your story.

>>17246561
Not every fantasy story is about people who can shoot fireballs, my man. Hell, for most of The Thousand Names there's almost no magic at all, and when it does get introduced the muskets are mostly ineffective against it.

O’ Ishoriöl, would a different doom have followed? Would the World have turned otherwise had the Mansions of your kin listened?
For the Vile had come unto Men in the wilds of Eänna, delivered the very ministry your Sons had so urgently argued. The Vile had sat upon the earth to carve joints with the absurd Prophets of Men, whispered deceit in the guise of secrets, wove the thread of their wicked design into the fabric of their custom and belief. The Vile, not the Exalted, had shown them how to make inscription of speech, and so had chiselled alien malice upon the heart of an entire Race.
The Vile had armed them with the Apories that were so wasted upon Sranc.
What had they thought, the remaining Sons of Siöl, as the Mannish vermin rampaged through the glorious halls of the House Primordial? What had they thought, the remaining Sons of Cil-Aujas, when they retired from the fields of Mir’joril, and barred the Gates of their Mansion?
What had they thought of this last great insult, this final atrocity inflicted by their conquered foe?
Had they seen error … or just more injustice?
And so the Lust to Teach was rekindled among your Sons—O’ Ishoriöl, a second folly! “A Tutelage of the Bright to undo the Tutelage of the Vile!” the first Siqu declared to your great King. And Cet’ingira Deepseer more than any other made glister of his treachery, saying unto Nil’giccas, “Let me make a ministry of the wisdom we have purchased with our doom. For among them are souls as wise as our own.”
Aye. As foolish.
And as terrified of damnation.

>>17246645
I got into an argument with my family over this during christmas. They thought I was being absurd for saying that if magic is just a replicable set of laws, it's basically science and not magic at all.

>juggling 6 series right now
get on my level

>>17245951

>Angels of light/darkness

Maybe they could be: returnists and recreators.

>Other humans, the vast masses, are broken in the great Fabricators

Sounds too evil and your other descriptions make the angels sound more like chaotic neutral.

>There are also Dragons, which are more like Eastern dragons

So Kami?, are they created by god too? Too many factions I think.

Also, how could they destroy heaven? what about God? Most probably they are cast down or maybe they are lying...

>>17246709

Its not science if they are not trying to truly discover its laws and primordial principles, like the laws of physics. If they are just using magic and not actively trying to discover where it comes from, then its a craft and not a science.

>>17241674
What annoys me about these people is they seem to be doing whole "best book of year X even though it wasn't released in year X, I just read it now". Fuck off with that shit.

'm black and I want to write a fantasy novel. But I don't really want it to just be "black people in medieval setting"

I'm wondering if there's any african literature/mythology anyone can recommend for ideas to make it even a little different.

>>17246827
>But I don't really want it to just be "black people in medieval setting"

Why not?

>>17246827
Sounds like an interesting project. I would look into Yoruba,, Asante, Zulu mythologies. As a kid I read an interesting SF book called "The Ear, the Eye, and the Arm." Sort of a post apocalyptic semi-fantasy set in future Africa, and it had a lot of mythical resonance. Good luck Anon, please post passages here if you'd like.

>>17246849
I remember that book, Nancy Farmer was a great author, as far as I recall. I read Sea of Trolls at least a dozen times.

>>17246849
>As a kid I read an interesting SF book called "The Ear, the Eye, and the Arm."
I also read that one. I remember them eating sewer burgers pretty vividly.

>>17246638
urban fantasy sucks ass

>>17246609
>>17246673
magic is usually not used to shoot fireballs in most fantasy written by people i want to read
i mean that there can either be a mysterious magical adventure or they can just shoot something with a gun, and whichever route is taken is cheapened by the existence of the alternative

>>17246603
literally the smartest reply to my post

>>17246827
Start by reading fantasy written by blacks, like Rage of Dragons which was self published iirc and it's about fantasy Africans or something.

>>17246886
>and it's about fantasy Africans or something.
It's more like a shonen battle anime than anything else honestly.

>>17246877
>i mean that there can either be a mysterious magical adventure or they can just shoot something with a gun
I just genuinely don't understand this mindset. A gun is just a better bow and arrow. I don't see how it cheapens anything.

>>17246886
startlingly accurate image
how was the sequel?

>>17246827
>black people in medieval setting
It would unironically be kino if somebody wrote a book about steampunk fantasy hero Alexandre Dumas or about the American Civil War and have characters like fantasy Frederick Douglass teaming up with fantasy John Brown.

But to answer your question, you should read The Palm-Wine Drinkard (written in the 1950s but based on Yoruba mythology) and The Epic of Sundiata (oral tradition from Mali dating back to 13th century but only written down in the 1960s).
>>17246886
And for more contemporary fantasy add Black Leopard, Red Wolf. You could try Children of Blood and Bone but that's YA.

>>17246827
>a few black /sffg/ writers
>generally more sf than f desu
Octavia Butler - Lilith's Brood series, "Bloodchild" is an excellent short story
Samuel Delany - "Dhalgren"
Alice Walker - "Temple of My Familiar"

>>17246827
Read a bunch of African history and base your world on that. The whole "inconceivably more powerful race is prevented from conquering the entire middle of the continent due to horrible diseases" thing almost feels like something out of a fantasy novel itself.

>>17246909
>"Bloodchild" is an excellent short story
I second this, one of the most interesting sci-fi stories that I've read.

>>17246908
>American Civil War and have characters like fantasy Frederick Douglass teaming up with fantasy John Brown.
Overdone. I personally find historic fantasy appalling and I don't think that's what Anon is trying to write.
>>17246908
>The Epic of Sundiata
This. Here's the pdf.
https://www.bu.edu/africa/files/pdf/SUNDIATA1.pdf

>>17246140
LE BIBLICALLY ACCURATE ANGELS!!!!111

>>17246935
>Overdone
Where's all the American Civil War fantasy I've been missing?

>>17246947
> Yes.

>>17246971
will probably be financially successful if you can get the reddit audience to hear about it

>>17246276
The Black Company

>>17246140
>>17246947
>>17247001
Between Two Fires (2012) already had seraphim and biblically accurate angels. No need to get all muh seekret club and start invoking the r-place.

>>17246971
Lovecraftian Cosmic Horror is literally just another presentation of the Old Testament.

I'm unironically including in my story a religion based off Job and Ecclesiastes that will be centered around a "God whose name that cannot be fathomed" and an obsession with the void/oblivion/sheol. I'm a Christian and I love that stuff so much.

>>17247040
And to balance this out there's The White Company as well.

>>17247001
Like I said, these are not exactly ~le biblically accurate angel meme~. I intend my books to be a serious work of literary fantasy, something of quality and depth, something to succeed Bakker as well as Blake. If reddit plebs eat it up, so much the better, I'll take their gold.
But remember it started here in the sunless depths of /sffg/.

>>17247046
Cool. I think we have some things in common fren. I've heavily inspired by Job, Psalms, Ecclesiastes, Isaiah. Would love to read a passage of your work if you'd like to post it sometime.

>>17246762
> Sounds too evil and your other descriptions make the angels sound more like chaotic neutral.
They toe the line between good, neutral, and evil. My idea is that the humans serve them out of a combination of faith/adoration, fear, and desire to gain Angelic favor for themselves. The Honoured Few are granted special powers and enhancements, even artificial wings and haloes.
>So Kami?, are they created by god too? Too many factions I think.
I'm not sure yet if the spirits of water and earth are of God. I think he made them, but they are alien to the Angels, just as the Angels are alien to humanity. As far as factions, I tend to like settings with a llot of them :)
>what about God?
In my gnostic/agnostic setting, God is silent, sleeping – some say dead, some say waiting. The echoes of God's light shine through the world, but the Angels have turned their backs on him as they have become ensnared in the World. They too fear Hell, which in my setting is a black hole of infinite void, infinite stretching.

>>17245350
I was curious about this so I downloaded the first book.
Absolute low tier military sci-fi dogshit.
The dude has cranked out 13 books of this shit in 5 years apparently.

I don't get this guy, is he one of the Sphinx's robots? Is he a mutant animal? Or a human with an animals head? I don't know if I wasn't paying attention when he was introduced but I haven't answered these questions. also when book 4

I've always wanted to write some trash fiction book/litRPG/lightnovel sort of thing, but I can't write an brave and self assured main character, because I am neither of those things.

>>17247436
Then don’t. Find a way to make your repugnant self insert into a hero with all his flaws

>>17247425
I think his body is human with a deer head because I don't recall him needing energy juice but I could be wrong.
Book 4 supposedly coming out sometime this year.

>>17241998
>paying any attention to the Hugos in current year
It's a diversity award now, nothing more.

I really wanted to like this, there's so many imaginative concepts and fun characters but they're obstructed, not served, by a plot with no drive and almost no stakes.

The worst part is the story isn't completely bereft of interesting points, the plot just skips past them. Sta-High arrives giftwrapped at the space port, no more fun moon antics, no extrapolation on the diggers. Mr Frosty mentions later the diggers won the civil war, no build up, it just happened. And then Andersen and Mr Frosty's death is just skipped over.

>norse mythology by neil gaiman
>mythos by stephen fry gayman
Where do I go for egypian gods?

>>17240344
Codex Alera, they start as enemies but they later join the fight against world-devouring bugs alongside the protagonist

>>17241674
Mike's pretty cool. Got me into a few excellent series I wouldn't have read otherwise, or wouldn't have started anytime soon.

>>17247708
>jim butcher
yikes

>>17240344
"The Last Werewolf" by Glen Duncan (followed by 2 more books). Urban fantasy. MC is the last werewolf. He's being hunted. Very intense. Different direction than you'd expect.

"Mercy Thompson" book series by Patricia Briggs (starts with "Moon Called" there's a dozen of them in total). Again urban fantasy. MC is a were-coyote, car mechanic girl. She lives next door to werewolves. It's not extremely high quality but it has its moments.

I can think only of those and Jim Butcher's "Codex Alera" was already mentioned so...

>>17240344
Mongrels. One of our people in Good Reads group wrote a review for it. He was surprised by the fact it's YA and didn't suck for it.

>>17243520
The Lightbringer series did a pretty good "flintlock fantasy".

>>17246895
It was alright. If you liked the first book you will probably like the second. Think its setting up to be another trilogy.

>>17243933
I am blessed with having (albeit few) literary friends who read my stuff and do constructive criticism on it.
Also post your writing somewhere. It helps having it in the open. I personally post on Royal Road even though I don't shill it anywhere and nobody knows about it.

But bottom line is, the best way to improve is to have an open conversation about your writing with somebody.

>>17240844
>>17241992
>>17240276

I tried to make a thread about this, but it got insta deleted. But are there any booktubers that are not insanely leftwing. Watching Green give Rowling the villain of the year award left a bad taste in my mouth.
Emily seems to read the most sci-fi and is most willing to give contrarian opinions about classics. But she is also the most insane. She seems to perfect example of a women ruined by modern politics, everything outside of the narrative is fine and she seems to be a decent human being, but boy oh boy does the programming kick in sometimes.

It doesn't have to be right, alt-right. But I would rather not have someone actively cheer on deplatforming and witch-hunts.

Why does Sanderson fail so miserably at surprising/shock the reader?

>>17247699
Sseth Tzeentachs Pharoah review

>>17248001
idk this slowly red guy seems kinda based

>>17247699
What the fuck did you do as a child instead of reading fairytales and mythology holy shit.
I knew almost all the Greek and Germanic pagan tales when I was 10 years old nigga

>>17248185
Ya know
playing outside with friends and other kids?

>>17242263
I care

>>17246891

Depends on the gun really. Front loaded guns have slower rate of fire and are vulnerable to moisture compared to bows. But I think in general authors tend to avoid gunpowder because there is romance about swords and bows in combat and you'd have to do some actual reading to know how to justify all of it being present in a conflict.

Binge read 8 of Joe Abercrombie's First Law books. Are there any other fantasy authors who write character driven stuff at similar level? Apart from spending too much time to describe combat and sex scenes his style ticks my boxes.

>thread ruined by retard shilling his book idea
Many such cases!

>>17248106
he doesn't care most likely. at this point his fans will read anything he writes anyway

>>17248122
Who? w0t?

>>17248408
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChrfl_dAGsoIXA3xUYnKE1g

Only started watching him because he did some bakker reviews, seems like a cool guy, mainly reads grimdark fantasy stuff, relatively apolitical

>>17248396
All memes aside, I've been naturally influenced by the shit you people post here. And after falling into the Bakker meme, I have to say that you can't even compare him to Sanderson. The guy is on an completely different league.

While Bakker keeps me constantly engaged (meaning that he has virtually no filler), Sanderson grinds the entire fucking story until the BIG ENDING revelations. Redding him feels like playing an MMO, not only because of the grind, but also because everything is predictable.

>>17248423
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChrfl_dAGsoIXA3xUYnKE1g
I cannot find this guy by typing in "slowly red" or "slowly red book" in google.

However typing in "Slowly Red" in Yandex, he is the first results. Same with duckduckgo. Even typing slowly red Though I do get him by typing on slowly red youtube in google.

But thank you homie.

>>17248219
I did that too bro

>>17248534
Public school was a mistake
Young women should not be around young men.

>>17240221
Question. Is there a specific point where Moorcock becomes a hack and is no longer worth reading? I am enjoying his early Elric and Corum stuff so far, and I know it gets better especially once it reaches Stormbringer. But is there a point when it the Multiverse saga stops being good and no longer worth reading?

>>17248915
>Is there a specific point where Moorcock becomes a hack and is no longer worth reading?
The beginning of his career.

>>17248347
that bad, anon?

Can anyone point me towards stuff similar in tone to the Gotrek and Felix novels? Focused on short stories, pulpy with a shade of gothic horror, characters facing off against overwhelming odds and things they have no right surviving?

>>17248915
Not really. He simply spun-off his writings with OTHER Eternal Champions for a multiverse of sorts. Whether you care about those or not is up to you.

Hey /sffg/ I recently finished Forever war and it was pretty great.
Can you guys recommend or sell me on one of these books?

>Old man's war
>Hyperion
>Ender's game
>Altered carbon
>Mortal engines
>The martian
>Something from asimov?
>War of the worlds

I'm open to other suggestions too, I'm just trying to expand my sci-fi library.
I'd prefer self contained stories since I've only recently started reading and I'd rather explore several authors than focus on one.

In particular I'm leaning towards War of the worlds because It's a cheap classic but I don't know.
We all know how that story end so it's not exactly gonna be a nailbiter but maybe it's a good read anyway?

Also how's forever free?
A friend of mine told me it wasn't as good as forever war, why's that?
Cheers bros.

>>17248122
Shill your jewtube somewhere else. Also, you liked Prince of Thorns, so your opinion is discarded.

>>17240221
So what are you looking forward to reading in 2021? I totally forgot The Expanse is supposed to end this year.

>>17249096
I'm not him

>>17249087
enders game is good

>>17248986
karl edward wagners kane

>>17249133
>enders game is good
So I've heard, is it self contained? I noticed that there's 5 books in the serie.

also is there a way to check that out? It feels like it oughta be written somewhere.

>>17249176
yeah it's self contained, there are sequels but it stands fine by its own

>>17249186

bakker gives me morrowind vibes, the mixture of biblical and oriental weirdness, exoticism, scary sorcery, the dunmer mythology etc

>>17249240
Haven't played morrowind but I can see it, aren't daedra kinda like ciphrang?

>>17249245
yeah pretty much
the good daedra ride the line between fickle deities and sumerian demons

>>17249087
Altered Carbon is tons of fun.
Anyone know if he's working on another book in the series?

>Nansur = Byzantines/Macedonians
>Ceneian Empire = Rome
>Kyranean Empire = Ancient Greece
>Scylvendi = Scythians
>Galeoth = Gaul
>Ce Tydonn + Thunyerus = Vandals, Goths
>Sakarpus = Burgundia or Germania with a Rohan feel
>Conriya, Ainon = some mix of Babylonians, Mesopotamians, Ottomans, Sassanids
>Shigek = Egypt
>Kian = Araby
>Amoteu=Palestine
>Nilnamesh = India
>Girgash = Pakistan
>Zeüm = China wuz Afrikan
>Jekkhia=Turkic Mongols
>Nron = Cyprus?
>Ancient North = Hyperborea
and the obvious
>Nonmen=Subterranean Elves
>Sranc=Orcs
>Bashrag=Trolls
>Wracu=Dragons
>Inchoroi="Balrogs"
How'd I do lads

>>17249294
not bad
Also
>The Apocalypse=Bronze Age Collapse

Any good fantasy historical fiction focusing more on African and Middle Eastern mythology and legends? Something like Soldier of Sidon with all the Egyptian deities and African Gods

>>17249294
>The Tusk=The Old Testament+The Vedas
>The Tractate=The New Testament
>The Sagas=Homeric Poetry and general Indo-European epic poetry

Also Inchoroi are probably partially inspired by these fish demons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apkallu

the REAL redpill
the Second Apocalypse series will end with a global flood, and the story will be revealed to be set in the biblical antediluvian world which was full of horrific giants and fallen angels.

>>17249352
Interesting, I'm curious in this aquatic origin of the Inchoroi theory. The oyster shaped skulls and translucent flesh make me think there's something oceanic about them, maybe the Progenitors hailed from an Ocean world? And the wings are a result of a Graft from when the Inchies conquered the Wracu-planet? Just spitballing here.

>>17249426
yeah they are cobbled together from various pieces of different beings

Can some one tell me the name of the Cishaurim that Xerius meets on the 1st book? No spoilers please.

>>17249459
Mallahet

> If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 emotons per minute... you're gonna see some serious s***

nigga how does cishaurim sorcery work

>>17243520
>gunplay in fantasy doesn't work, it breaks everything
Have you ever read "The Mother of Learning"?
The setting has magic being corner stone of almost everything worth doing, and yet there are guns. Moreover, these guns fucking matter, because instead of sensing mana like a retard for a few years you can take a rifle and shot some stupid wizard.
The big thing in the backstory of the setting are recent wars that went horribly for the mages because they ignored the guns and their development, resulting in literal slaughter of many old noble families of mages in battles.

>>17249510
its literally the >tfw magic and possibly okay with the One God because damnation in TSA comes from logic and manipulation of the world or the people in them
as for how it exactly works, its never actually explained as far as i remember

>>17249510
Sweet emotion
Sweet emotion

You talk about Inri, well nobody cares
Circumfixes that nobody wears
You're calling my doom but I gotta make clear
I can't say, baby, where I'll be in a year
Some Ainoni daddy with a face like a mask
Said show me the Pshûke, sure I'll do as you ask
Well I got good news, I'm a real good liar
The Scarlet Spires wanna set your pants on fire

Sweet emotion
Sweet emotion

I pulled into town in with no eyes in my face
Your Dûnyain daddy said it was all a waste
You're Zaudunyani now but your Prophet lied
You can't catch me 'cause your Ordealmen done died
Yes they did
Stand in the front just a-shakin' your slaughter
I'll take you to Shimeh, you can drink from my Water
I'll talk about something you can sure understand
'Cause a month in the desert and you'll be eating sand

Sweet emotion
Sweet emotion

>>17249488
>>17249459
It's moenghus in disguise btw he has scars on his arms

>>17249294
>>17249352
Inri Sejanus is Jesus btw, though that's pretty obvious, Fane is maybe muhammed?

>>17249313
pretty sure all of these are pozzed, theough there's plenty of potential

>>17249528
>ecent wars that went horribly for the mages because they ignored the guns and their development, resulting in literal slaughter of many old noble families of mages in battles.

this shit reeks of reddit, how shit is your magic that it can't beat some people with guns?

>>17249594
Fane is an analog for Muhammad yes.

>>17249586
>>17249488
I figured as much. I just wasn’t sure that he used his true name openly like Kellhus.

>>17249594
surely it can't ALL be pozzed.

>>17249670
as far as I know they are written by woke upper middle class blacks in america (blacks in africa don't write fantasy or get translated), people and black people in general don't write a lot of fiction or fantasy

>>17249683
Do africans write ANY historical fiction?

>>17249690
If I was african I wouldn't want to, most of it would be pretty depressing

>>17249690
Not that I can think of. It always seem to be some sort of other culture that they appropriate and put a "black" twist on. You know the whole "We Wuz Kangz" thing.
Look up the black Israelites or the black Egyptians if you don't know what I mean.
Typically most woke books are written either by white people, Jews or some sort of Asian though. Honestly most "adults" nowadays just behave like children anyways. People in the 40s act like twelve year old kids. That leads to a lot of stupid things and social media only amplifies the issue. Most people would have never known about "woke" things and they would not be as widespread if not for twitter giving every stupid idea no matter how dumb a global audience.

>>17249724
people are going to become so numbed by the bombard of bad media
What will the future hold? Only God knows.

>>17249125

>>17249724
I still hold that Africa is a kino continent

It was an early morning yesterday
I was up before the dawn
And I really have enjoyed my stay
But I must be moving on

Like Prince that comes from nothing
Like a Prophet no one knows
I'm an early morning Dûnyain
And I must be moving on

Now you believe in what I say
To me you're exactly as you seem
But I have to have things my own way
To keep me in my Dreams

Like a ship without an anchor
Like Massentia without grain
Just the thought of that bad Consult
Sends a shiver through my veins

And I will go on shining
Shining like brand new
I'll never look behind me
And my emotions will be few

Goodbye Leweth, it's been nice
Sad you won't find paradise
Easy to see your point of view
Now it's time my Dreams come true

Goodbye Serwë, goodbye pain
Will we ever meet again

Feel no sorrow, feel no shame
Come tomorrow, feel no pain
Sweet devotion (Goodbye Cnaiür)
It's not for me (Goodbye Proy)
Just give me Gnosis (Will we ever)
To set me free (Be destroyed)
In the land and the ocean (Feel no sorrow)
Far away (Feel no shame)
It's the life I've chosen (Come tomorrow)
Every day (Feel no pain)
So goodbye Saubon
So goodbye Proy
Will the whole World
Be destroyed?

Now some they do and some they don't
And some you just can't tell
And some they will and some they won't
With some it's just as well

You can laugh at my behaviour
And that'll never bother me
Say Ajokli is my saviour
But I don't pay no heed

And I will go on shining
Shining like brand new
I'll never look behind me
Since I'm the greatest of the Few

Goodbye Akka, it's been nice
I know you won't gain paradise
Tried to see your point of view
Too bad your Dreams will all come true

Goodbye Esmi, goodbye World
Will we ever meet again
Feel no sorrow, feel no shame
Come tomorrow, feel no pain

>>17249974

>>17249974

>>17249974