/lit/ - Literature

>>17229322
I'll tickle your dopamine receptor with a (you)

>>17229322
>stop appropriating sacred POC religion in order to perpetuate your whiteness!

It was bullshit, he was just trying to get a dollar out of people.

>>17229322
Did he get up to shit and piss while meditating or did he unload piles of rancid curry shits and piss into his loincloth

>>17229401
He was actually a she and she did that all the time

>>17229401
When you stop eating (or severely restrict your food consumption) your need to poop effectively vanishes.

>>17229452
Did he wipe tho?

Cioran understood life. Buddha might have caught a glimpse, but he couldn't handle the sheer blackpillingness of it, and started coping in riddles and nonsense

>>17229452
Stop eating filler like carbs and fiber, you'll shit 1/3 as much. Because you body actually uses protein and fat

>>17229322
It was a few thousand years ago, nothing was invented, people were retarded and there's zero shit except fucking around

use your brain if you had one OP

its mystical silliness like every other religion

he probably just went insane

what do you people get out of posting shit like this? i understand that 4chan is basically the gloryhole of the internet and that anyone can post here, but come on. i browse /lit/ out of boredom and every time a buddhist thread pops up, christian propagandas always come to shit on it and everything related because it's different than the incomprehensibly ridiculous religion that they're used to and it happens to be practised by a lot of brown people. meanwhile, the edgy pseudo-philosophical non-religious people come in with their literal-who tier philosophers making claims like 'yeah buddha was on the right path, but he didn't even know about what this mid-20th-century douchebag had to say about reality so checkmate buddhacucks' or worse than that, nick-fucking-landposters. what is so hard for you people to understand about basic mindfulness? what is so absolutely ineffable to you about attachments leading to suffering? you don't need to crawl through the texts looking for logical inconsistencies, you don't need to compare it to your preexisting belief system, you don't even need to have faith. it's simple shit really, just don't get bound up in all this transient nonsense of the world because it's impermanent. stop being a dick and sperging out over nothing, btw god isn't real and neither is nothing

>>17231069
why are you attached to being fucking gay?

>>17231075
enjoy browsing this shitty board forever

>>17229322
>>17229322
sorry hindus cant into buddhism

>>17229322
Yes.

>>17231069
seethe buddhistfag

>>17229393
>getting a dollar out of people by... not taking money and cotinually being homeless and sitting under a tree

>>17231069
Buddha tranny
>attachment leads to suffering
Maybe you should be less attached to Buddhism then lolol

>>17232474
>CHING CHONG GIVE MONEY TO MONKS OR YOU DIE AND COME BACK AS A EARTH WORM CHING CHONG
Face it, it's a scam shilled by a miniscule few white people attracted to le oriental wisdom.

Yes he started on the path. The trees are of great significance. When you breathe under a tree you breathe the same air our monke forebears did, not the carcinogen-rich pseudo-atmosphere of the erectoid spinal menace.

...

>>17232488
i wasn't ready for this pill

>>17231069
Why do you get bound up in the transient nonsense of buddha teachings and texts?

>>17232498
Imagine being so butthurt that you can't do in situ colossal statuary because your camel chronicle says not to that you blow up a pair of infidel icons and reveal caches of infidel scriptures instead in the caves behind them. Based abrahamics shooting themselves in the foot

>>17232505
The pores of just one monke contain all the buddha-fields in the universe more numerous than all the bananas in the jungle.

>>17232515
Texts are transient, let go of your ego

>>17232486
this is like saying pope alexander borgia fulfilled jesus' vision of a virtuous man by fucking bitches in the basilica of saint peters
youre retarded

>>17231085
Says the crab in the bucket.

>>17232544
Well that's just the point isn't it? The Taliban's actions were skillful means. There is not any reality to good or evil, it is mental perspective.

>>17232556
Buddha trannys are no better then any other religion

>>17232563
>no good and evil
Why such a materialistic and secular view lf the universe?

>>17232567
i dnt give a shit about its merits, youre retarded, fucking neck alice

>>17232563
Muslims are thriving while buddhists can't even fight back and resort to killing women and children in myanmar like the cowards they are

>>17232576
>Muslims are thriving
What does this actually mean? Is your standard for religion whoever has the most sub-saharan followers to inflate their birthrates?

>>17232589
Strength and power means something kafir
Buddhism will continue to shrink and the future of the planet will be a Christo-Islam-Vedic one

>>17232589
>dodging answering for the horrific crimes Buddhists are perpetrating
Disgusting, you have no moral compass

>>17232589
If it was, christians would be thriving because that's about the only area they are gaining followers.
Muslims are recruiting all over the world and is the fastest growing religion.

>>17232608
Why do I have to weigh in on yet another British-created postcolonial war in Asia? They'd probably be killing each other without religion anyway.

>>17232569
Anon's post is neither materialist, nor secular. Buddhism is neither materialist, nor secular. It is a religion that posits the existence of things other than the material. It is in fact you, the dualist, who is the materialist, as you are just proposing the existence of two types of material.

>>17232589
It's a meme. Advaita Vedanta is getting stale, so now they're moving on to BASED ISLAM.

>>17232613
Both Christians and Muslims are thriving lol cope retard

>>17232594
>Christo-Islam
You what? Christianity will grow extinct by the end of this century at the latest. Their average age goes up a year every year in civilized countries.

>>17232594
>the entire purpose of beliefs is to achieve world domination through fertility rates
Is this the final form of 'spiritual but not religious'?

>>17232616
What makes samsara better then nirvana then if there is no difference between materials buddha boy?

>>17232622
>civilized countries
Great, buddhists are racist as well. Not surprising. Christianity will continue to grow no matter how you feel

>>17232613
The last time Islam outgrew itself it broke in half because the Berbers and Iranians said they were done taking orders from the n-th generation of ex-bedouins who'd never fought a battle in their lives.

desu this thread really opened my eyes to how lonely and hateful Buddhists can be.
The smug attitudes and denial of genocide is the last straw.

>>17229322
You can sit down and find the secret to life anywhere. Empty your thoughts until it's just you and the emptiness, at that point you'll be able to have a conversation between you and the universe.

>>17232644
Yes the 'Islam will rule the world' posts are really quite tame compared to what's in your head

>>17232653
No bro you need to read 20,000 pages of the majaratamahubbaboobascuba sutra and the ching chong ding song sutra to begin to understand, sorry otherwise you are cursed to be reborn in a hell realm.

>>17232663
It's true, people on /lit/ who don't read are cursed to be reborn as children in the American public education system.

>Buddhism? more like refutedism

Buddha stole all his nonsense from the vedic scriptures anyway

>>17232675
Don't you have an evangelion to pilot, Brahman man?

>>17232679
the buddha pooed on the poo

>>17232689
imagine the smell of a diseased emaciated prince sharting his fly-covered loincloth

>another thread of buddhists being relentlessly bullied
Fuck lmao

>>17232617
The difference being that christians are largely recruiting in cargo-cult territory while islam is recruiting everywhere.

>>17232710
>Believes in fucking dragons
>Expect not to get bullied
I love watching atheist redditor with a buddha-boner learn this

>>17232718
>he doesn't believe in dragons
Cringe. At least Christians believe in dragons.

>>17232714
Stop resorting to tired racism

>>17229452
That's false actually since your stomach lining regenerates and you need to shit out the old dead cells, which you would usually also alongside food remains nearly packaged in a cylindrical casing

Westerners are always the most cringe buddhists because they approach it with a highly materialistic and secular view.
Its amazing seeing them shart and cry when they find out real Buddhists pray to various deities and saints and believe in miracles and demons

>>17232723
It's not racism to, correctly, point out that sub-saharan africa is not the bastion of intellectual fortitude on the planet.
And Christianity is largely recruiting from people there who don't even know the basics of the religion they ostensibly belong to.

>>17232625
Buddhism does not posit that the material is all that exists.

>>17232735
>MUH GRAPH SAY THEY DUMB LOL
The Apostles creed sums up Christian beliefs very succinctly, same as the Shahada for Muslims
The fact Buddhists lack any sort of profession of faith or succinct creed just shows how it is a dying mystery cult supposed to be led by a despotic elite.

>>17232735
You do not need to be literate to be religious, retard lol.

>>17232754
>muh graph
Where would you rather live? Canada or Kenya? The simple fact is that sub-saharan Africa is, in no way, as developed as the rest of the world and this is the area where Christianity is gaining ground. Everywhere else it's losing
>b-b-but muh china
Pewdiepie has more subs than China has christians

>>17232735
This is so fucking racist ugh, no wonder buddhists are just an exotic laughing stock and are shrinking

>>17232763
Stop being racist, again. Cure yourself of this autistic mind virus.

>>17232763
Because Thailand and Myanmar are such bastions of civility and peace right?

>>17232772
Once again, not racism, simple facts which you are unable to counter. Sub-saharan africa is a hell-hole.

>>17232763
>>Where would you rather live? Canada or Kenya?
Kenya has no public servants bugging people off

>>17232754
>dying mystery cult supposed to be led by a despotic elite.
Why are people using early 2000s' atheist polemics-against-Christianity against Buddhism in order to defend Christianity?

>>17232780
Thailand and Myanmar are hellholes

>>17232779
nice shifting of goalposts.
If you want to live in a dystopian shithole like sub-saharan africa, go ahead.

>>17232498
Things are impermanent, bro, imagine being attached to some rocks

>>17232763
>>17232779
>>17232790
Do any of you actually have the slightest interest in religion or philosophy or are you just playing pokemon?

>>17232801
Buddhism is impermanent then as well bro

ENTER

>>17232754
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_precepts
Done.

>racism
>genocide denial
>smug idiocy
Wow, is this buddhas finest? I pray you find peace inshallah

>>17232826
Nigga this is just a rip off of the ten commandments, it says nothing about beliefs or the faith itself. Just a list of rules lol

>>17232826
A list of 5 rules is not a statement of faith lol

>>17232837
>>17232845
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refuge_(Buddhism)
Done. Again.

>>17232857
>I take refuge in the Buddha
This literally means nothing

>>17232594
>Christo-Islam-Vedic
lmao its guenonfag isn't it? He's really larping as both a Christian and a Muslim while sneaking his own Hinduism to the mix. Buddhism really makes him seethe lol.

>>17232872
Sounds like you have made the first step in achieving the perfection of wisdom

>>17232872
>gets BTFO
>b-but it means nothing!
Checkmate.

>>17229322
If he actually achieved all these things that would mean it's possible to achieve so surely in the past ~2,500 years at least ONE other person would have done it, right?

>>17232879
I kind of figured he was posting itt but if he thinks Vedic Hinduism isn't on the Muslim chopping block then he's in for a surprise.

>>17232857
>>17232872
This does not describe anything about the beliefs, history, or objects of veneration or meditation
Just compare it to the iron simplicity and beauty of the Shahada and weep

>>17232726
why would my stomach lining need to regenerate if nothing is passing through my stomach?

>>17232903
>This does not describe anything about the beliefs, history, or objects of veneration or meditation
cope, you lost, get over it
>Just compare it to the iron simplicity and beauty of the Shahada and weep
Shahada may be one of the most low IQ creed ever thought up

>>17232888
yeah but most people prefer to compete for women and the only few who get out of society go crazy, then the only few go dont go crazy cant see that merit and meditation are conditioned so they never see the truth

>Christianity dying out in favor of atheism
>Islam requires state force to sustain itself
>Hinduism is a complete MESS
Where to go from here?

>>17229393
Bruh he was literally a prince. It wasn't for money.

>>17232888
Becoming a Buddha on your own is really rare. It requires an enormous amount of built up merit. There's a chain of these people, however. The next one was Maitreya, the previous was Kasyapa.

Buddhism totally accepts the idea of many people independently coming up with aspects of Dharma ("Buddhism" is a vehicle to access Dharma; at some point in the future, Buddhism will die. Maitreya will come along and make a "Maitreyism" shortly after; before its loss, there was a "Kasyapism" predating Siddhartha Gautama). Taoism is, in China, thought to be this. There's numerous Buddhist thinkers who point to Post Modernism as an example of Westerners realizing how the world works, and then freaking the fuck out because it's so alien to them.

>>17232915
I accept your concession.

>>17232932
>no argument
>just /a/ memes
so this is the power of Christo-Islamo-Vedism...

>>17232922
Why can't you do it? There are tons of buddhists sitting around meditating, why has not one of them been able to become enlightened and see their past lives or whatever? There have been billions of people to live and die since Buddha, probably far more than it took to produce Buddha in the first place. And if no one but the Buddha can achieve enlightenment, what is the point of being a buddhist?
>>17232931
But it wasn't rare enough for Buddha to achieve it, and since then the number of people who would be able to achieve it has increased dramatically, yet none of them have done it. It seems like it's so rare then that it's more likely that the Buddha lied about being enlightened or only thought he was enlightened or never existed at all than that he actually was enlightened.

>>17232924
>Hinduism is a complete MESS
no its not

>>17232952
enlightenment is the ultimate carrot on the stick
gotta beat the little paypiggys and lure them further into slavery with an impossible lottery

>>17232955
hit a nerve did I?

>>17232952
>the number of people who would be able to achieve it has increased dramatically, yet none of them have done it
This is the exact opposite reasoning Buddhists use so I am curious as to what your arguments are for an increase in people and a succession in time necessitating that more people become enlightened. A great deal of Buddhist literature is fairly pessimistic on the revealed, discursive dharma lasting uncorrupted; the capacity of it to be both taught and learned is expected to deteriorate and a new Buddha is thought to appear in the future to fix it (not really unusual or unique to Buddhism as far as religious attitudes go either). Also since Buddhists believe in cyclical time (or deny the three phases of time altogether as existent) there is no reason to assume time improves anything (though evidently, time is allowed to worsen the phenomenal images of things).

>>17232972
Not really, Hindu metaphysics is a lot more logical and internally consistent than Buddhism, that's why Buddhism was refuted by Shankara et al and why Buddhism lost its homeland to Hinduism.

>>17232982
Get in the jiva, atman

>>17232982
ah its guenonfag again with the zombie response from his pasta-notepad, why am I not surprised.

>>17232895
>but if he thinks Vedic Hinduism isn't on the Muslim chopping block then he's in for a surprise.
Hanafi jurists during the Mughal era issued rulings recognizing Hindus as a people of the book

>>17232952
We're talking about two different things here.

Enlightenment is quite common (in comparison to "becoming a Buddha on your own"). There were many people, in the Buddha's day, who achieved this under the Buddha's very auspices. The Buddha's son, Rahula, actually does this within his father's lifetime. There's many, many masters throughout history who have claimed to have become enlightened and been recognized as such. Enlightenment is NOT uncommon. It's very hard on a human level, but it's not like it's something impossible. You could do it if you went to a monastery and devoted your life to it.

Becoming a Buddha on your own is something different. THIS is what Siddhartha Gautma does that is so special. He sits down under the Bodhi tree and comes up with Buddhism. THIS is really rare. You couldn't do this. I couldn't do this. THIS requires a very long karmic chain of merit to produce an individual who can do this. Luckily, you don't have to do this, as that's what Buddhism is for.

>>17232991
you will never be a Hindu

>>17232991
>pragmatism among an alien aristocracy means Hinduism and Islam are compatible
Sure I guess Japanese people in apartheid South Africa were actually white too

>>17232994
There are multiple traditional schools of Hinduism which accept non-Indian converts and which allows foreigners to take initiation into them.

>>17233009
Alright then go and get initiated and live in some Ashram instead of shitting up our hallowed halls.

>>17233009
I'm sure none of them care about debating Buddhism so you will probably be very bored there.

>>17229322
New age shit won't solve your problems anon.

>>17233005
My only point was that they can coexist in the same country, even as history shows when the Muslims are mostly the rulers such as in Mughal India. It's sort of an irrelevant topic though since India is too strong to ever be subjected by Muslims again, it will forever remain a Hindu country, especially with Hindu nationalist governments like Modis who take measures to impact demographics becoming the new norm.

>>17233015
You can be initiated into householder lineages as a westerner which still allow you to own homes and have families. I will probably do that so that I can continue to combat Buddhist sophistry and falsehood into old age.
>>17233016
Every major Hindu sect that writes a bhasya on the Brahma Sutras has a section inside their bhasya where they refute Buddhism.

>>17233027
Using the mughal empire as an example is a stretch consider it was a mongolian-esque dynasty and allowed freedom of religion for most of its time. A fully islamic state would've destroyed much of the idolatry of Hinduism and force convert them to Islam.

>>17233041
>He is seriously thinking about LARPing as a western Hindu some time
guenonfag you have been saying this for years, when will you actually live up to your expectations.

>You can be initiated into householder lineages as a westerner which still allow you to own homes and have families. I will probably do that so that I can continue to combat Buddhist sophistry and falsehood into old age.

>>17233069
kek, that is exactly what I picture a western Hindu would look like

>>17233056
>A fully islamic state would've destroyed much of the idolatry of Hinduism and force convert them to Islam.
Why do you think the Mughals were as lenient as they were? If they had tried to eradicate Hinduism and forcibly convert everyone they would have ended up being overthrown after they had wrecked their sources of taxation, soliders etc with those harsh measures. It would have ended pretty fast, they never had the numbers to forcibly convert the sub-continent.

>>17232726
I've not eaten for 10 days before, after the first day you really don't need to shit again for a long time.

>>17233066
When the coronavirus is over I might do it

>>17233074
Pure islamic states try to make it fully islamic. Afghanistan and somalia are two examples. Different peope groups yet they are religiously intolerant.

>>17233074
You are basically saying that if it weren't for those circumstances, the Mughals would've gladly done it.

>>17233069
imagine embracing a doctrine embraced by bourgeois atheists

>>17233098
well yes Russel Brand is an bourgeois atheist so it makes sense he'd be a Hindu

>>17233027
>my country is eternal
Imagine believing this is true for a non-Chinese state

>>17233084
yea make sure you practice your squats for the shitting ceremony

wait where did all those 'BASED' christians and muslims go?

>>17233041
>Every major Hindu sect that writes a bhasya on the Brahma Sutras has a section inside their bhasya where they refute Buddhism.
Buddhists are living rent free in India after all why do you keep saying it was wiped out? This would be like of Christians sat around and debated Proclus among themselves in their spare time

>>17233133
It was just the one Hindu larping I'm afraid. I outed him quite easily actually, he's getting btfo as we speak.

>>17233133
Having reached a state of quietude after inspiring others to study the teachings of the World Honored Ones, they became thus gone.

>>17233133
This thread is owned already inshallah

>>17233087
Pure Islamic states are not the norm, and forcibly converting people of the book is against Sharia law, once people are accepted as people of the book they are supposed to be free from forcible conversion as far as I'm aware.
>>17233088
Not exactly, although I can understand why you would interpret it that way. I think it goes without saying that Muslim rulers would prefer their populace to be Muslims too, although there were also examples of Mughal rulers who were more open-minded about religion and who were happy to let Muslims and Hindus peacefully co-mingle, like Akbar. I don't really care about this topic one way or another, I'm not the guy who was posting about Christo-Islam-Vedic or whatever earlier. I think that Muslims and Hindus can peacefully co-exist in the same countries under certain circumstances, but I don't feel any pressing need to convince others of this who disagree.
>>17233121
>haha poo poo pee pee
meanwhile, Buddhism was refuted by Hinduism and lost its entire homeland, all the areas where Buddha traveled and preached, all of it gone to Hindus, Buddhists can only seethe and continue to not answer any of the refutations of Buddhism made by Hindus
>>17233120
Does the times China fractured into warring statelets, civil war, the warlord era etc not count or something?

>>17233188
>Does the times China fractured into warring statelets, civil war, the warlord era etc not count or something?
Does not count. Keep seething. India is encircled by the belt and road initiative, your water supply is from Pakistan and Tibet, aka the western protectorates of the Mao dynasty.

>>17233134
>Buddhists are living rent free in India after all why do you keep saying it was wiped out?
When the Brahma Sutras were written, the Buddhists were still more popular, in order to write a complete commentary on the Brahma Sutra you have to include all the arguments it makes against the other schools, regardless of how popular they are when you write you commentary.
>>17233136
> he's getting btfo as we speak.
I have never been btfo once in my entire life

>>17233206
>have to include all the arguments it makes against the other schools, regardless of how popular they are when you write you commentary.
Got it, so Buddhism lives rent free in India until the end of time, causing anuses to clench like that of an accelerationist reading Bataille.

>>17233206
based, buddha trannys btfo

>>17233200
>your water supply is from Pakistan and Tibet,
And if China tries to cut that off, India just has to easily shut down all shipping, fuel-transit and so on going through the Indian ocean and the malacca straits and the Chinese economy implodes. But it doesn't matter since they would never go to a full war with each other anyway since it would be much too costly and risky in the modern era when both have nukes.

>>17233228
>history is over!!!
Why go through all the trouble of being a Hindu if you just believe in neoliberal realism?

>>17233214
Why would it make anuses clench when Hindu philosophy already understands and pointed out how Buddhism doesn't make sense? And when the Buddhists got btfo'd in India and failed to ever refute or even provide a response to the Hindu arguments that btfo'd it? Buddhism was safely done away with in India near the close of the first millennium, and so Hindus rest assured. I just like to post here about it because clueless western buddhists didn't get the message about Buddhist philosophy being nonsensical.

>>17233247
I don't believe in neoliberal realism, I agree mostly with the Traditionalist school's conception of history. The point remains true though that as long as both possess modern nuclear weapons, India and China will likely never enter into a full-scale war with one another.

>>17233250
Since you believe pokemon battles are the answer to philosophy and religion, are you planning to become a Muslim once India becomes Muslim? India has like 300MM of them and they are growing, while all of your Hindus like to emigrate or become Christians.

>>17229322
no, of course. he ate magic truffles.

>>17233257
It's like he hasn't even read the Bhagavad Gita. Even the Jewish scientists who discovered atomic fire had read and understood that they became death the destroyer of worlds.

>>17233250
Poos are still seething after the buddha.

>>17233263
>Since you believe pokemon battles are the answer to philosophy and religion
Yes, in situations where factions are allowed to debate peacefully, usually the truthful side wins, this happened with Hindus vs Buddhists
>are you planning to become a Muslim once India becomes Muslim?
I highly doubt that will ever happen, but even if it did it would take hundreds of years from now, certainly now in my lifetime. Also, that would not be an example of a pokemon battle debate where the right side wins.
>>17233272
I have read the Gita

>>17233337
Yeah if this is representative they are more attached to Buddhism than Buddhists are.

>>17233337

>>17233346
Yeah I'm sure there were no geopolitical or demographic developments associated with the decline of Buddhism in India, it was just a highly gamified pokemon battle between Shankara and the Elite Four and after that Hindus have been polishing their eight gym bhasyas ever since.

>>17233346
If you have read the Gita you should not be afraid of battle. Why do you rely on Western nastika foreign policy doctrines designed to contain Hindutva?

>>17233378
>Yeah I'm sure there were no geopolitical or demographic developments associated with the decline of Buddhism in India, it was just a highly gamified pokemon battle between Shankara and the Elite Four
yeah pretty much, Buddhism lost India because of the weakness and non-rigorous nature of its philosophy
>>17233385
>If you have read the Gita you should not be afraid of battle.
I'm not, in fact I do verbal battle with and defeat Buddhists on this board with my irrefutable logic on a near daily basis
>Why do you rely on Western nastika foreign policy doctrines designed to contain Hindutva?
I'm not, I'm just making realist observations about the situation as an outsider

>>17233411
>rigorous philosophy
>god did it
This sounds an awful lot like it had a state behind it, not that it was some nonviolent pure exchange of ideas in an ether, but that's okay. That would also explain the removal of Buddhism you are extrapolating based on the great Lincoln-Douglas debate of 750 AD.

>>17233451
>>rigorous philosophy
>>god did it
Yes, it is rigorous, there is no other serious answer. Dependent origination cannot be the cause or basis of existence/samsara, because it depends on aggregation for its existence, but there is no factor admitted in Buddhism which causes and allows for that aggregation to occur. The factor inducing aggregation in the chain of dependent origination cannot be dependent origination itself because that is like a daughter giving birth to her own mother. Ergo it's nonsensical.

>another buddhism thread full of posts by the same samefagging schizo
And you people still haven't learned not to reply? Come on now

>>17232888
>>17232952
But plenty of people have become enlightened since the buddha, not sure what you're on about

>>17232984
kek

>>17233188
>Pure Islamic states are not the norm, and forcibly converting people of the book is against Sharia law, once people are accepted as people of the book they are supposed to be free from forcible conversion as far as I'm aware
Note "people of the book," so anyone else like Somalis (traditional african religions) and afghanis (buddhists) were fair game.

>>17233519
>uh oh he explained how dependent origination is nonsense and I don't have a good rebuttal, I'll just call him a schizo and plead with others to not engage with him further, lest the truth about buddhism be revealed to more anons!

>>17233574
Not you guenonfag, you're okay. I meant the muslim faggot spamming the thread with the exact same posts every time

>>17233582
Oh okay, my bad

>>17233596
By the way what are the best introductions to advaita? And what makes it special compared to other schools? I don't know much about hinduism

>>17233495
>>17233574
'God did it' is not super-effective against Western, English-speaking people. Maybe this was an epic btfo in medieval India but I fail to see how God in any way refutes anything but the most uncharitable interpretation of dependent origination as filtered through the lens of a seething theist who cannot even entertain the idea.

>>17233610
Dependent origination makes a lot of sense to me on an intuitive level.
Why are people saying it's nonsense?

>>17233625
Because it explains the arising of phenomena as conditioned by other phenomena which *must* be false because the royal state insists that the divine ancestors of the king created the universe.

>>17233609
>By the way what are the best introductions to advaita?
If you mean in terms of books written about Advaita, I like Chandradhar Sharma's 'The Advaita Tradition in Indian Philosophy', he has an idiosyncratic view of Buddhism, but the section on Vedanta in the book which is about 1/3rd of it is very well-written. Guenon's 'Man and His Becoming According to the Vedanta' is also good, although it's not written in the normal academic style where they try to provide you with a bunch of background context. Guenon's book is helpful though if you actually plan to sit down and read through any of the many volumes of Shankara's various prose commentaries.

If you mean introductions to Advaita in terms of short introductory texts written by members of the Advaita school, these ones below are some examples. The first Atma-Bodha is a short terse work ascribed to Shankara, and the second one the Ashtavakra Gita is longer, more lyrical and was composed by an anonymous author.

https://www.stillnessspeaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ShankaraAtmaBodha.pdf

https://realization.org/p/ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita.html

>And what makes it special compared to other schools? I don't know much about hinduism
Advaita was the first Vedanta school, and helped to inaugurate the revival of Hindu philosophy which occurred from the middle of the 1st millennium AD onwards with Advaita and the rise of other Vedanta schools and the formation of systematic Hindu tantric philosophy etc. Sharma describes Advaita as having the most refined and logically-consistent metaphysics of the various Hindu schools, although other people would obviously disagree. Shankara was the first person in history historians are aware of (or whose works survive) who wrote a large amount of works and commentaries demonstrating that all the main hindu scriptures (Upanishads, Gita, Brahma Sutras, etc) were all internally consistent and teach the same doctrine, he systemized them all into a coherent understanding in his writings. A few other minor Hindu philosophers like Bhartṛprapañca wrote individual commentaries on the Brahma Sutras or on individual Upanishads before Shankara, but there is no other person before Shankara who we are aware of who synthesizes so much material so gracefully in so many writings. I have seen people compare him to the position that Maimonides holds in Judaism. Later Vedanta schools would disagree with Shankara's metaphysics but would follow in his footsteps of elaborating a model showing how the main Hindu scriptures were consistent and logical.

Advaita also become somewhat of a touchstone issue in Hindu philosophy due to its early prominence, later schools would feel like they had an obligation to try to refute or otherwise address it in their own writings and so there is a long history of argumentation and dialectic discussion between Advaita and the other schools captured over many centuries of Sanskrit writings.

>>17229452
Can confirm; if you eat nothing but small quantities of rice, your need the defecate diminishes to about a once-per-week thing.

>>17233625
>Why are people saying it's nonsense?
Start reading here and as you go down it explains why

>>/lit/thread/S16946558#p16951710

>>17233926
At this point you might as well recommend a fucking book on the subject

>>17233188
where can one find these refutations anon

>>17229388
take your meds

>>17231069
BASED BASED BASED

>>17233926
>posting the same twenty paragraphs of incoherent gibberish dodging the question didn't work
>fuck it, let's just link to prior posts
That's hilarious, holy fucking shit.

>>17233625
Lemme sum it up: You say that there are no atmans, that there is no intrinsic unchanging non-composite discrete internally uniform single piece that makes a thing. Chariots don't have these, rocks don't have these, people don't have these, despite the Buddha's opponents in his day arguing otherwise. But anon, the Vedas says that the universe operates according to the principles of Sanskrit grammar. Alternatively, the Torah says that the universe operates according to the principles of Hebrew grammar. Sanskrit grammar categorizes some words as nouns. How then, can you say that there is no atman, when Sanskrit has nouns?

>>17234072
Not any of the people you're replying to but the Buddha didn't say there was no atman, he said none of the skandhas and nidanas were the self.

why cant buddha sissys defend even a single thread? truly, the vedic-christo-islamic cabal is stronger and more true

>>17234088
I hope you find peace.

>>17234081
>he said none of the skandhas and nidanas were the self
isnt this already pushed in the upanishads?

>>17234081
Right, the Buddha doesn't say that there are no atmans, he just completely rejects the entire framework in which "yes atman" and "no atman" exists and posits his own. This is anatman, anatta, sunyata, dependent origination, Emptiness, and I don't know what it's called in Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, various forms of Chinese, etc etc etc.

However, these threads have been had enough that the retard anon was applying to either knows what "there are no atmans" means in the conventional sense or is too dumb to get it anyways, and anon says that dependent origination makes sense to him, so he also gets what "there are no atmans" means in a colloquial sense.

Perhaps it was incorrect of me to choose brevity over precision, however.

>>17234103
Fair enough

>>17234100
Yes, unless you follow the interpretations of the Upanishads that say otherwise, which most Hindus do.

>>17231069
dangerously based

Upanishads contain more wisdom then any buddhist text

>>17231069
Agreed
It's all so simple but /lit/ pseuds need to overcomplicate everything then seethe about their own nonsensical misunderstanding of things

>>17234126
ok poo

>>17234103
The Chinese take is a little different on pratitya-samutpada. By way of the Avatamsaka Sutra, thence from Hua-yan to Chan to finally Japanese Zen, since they are Mahayanists they affirm sunyata but explain this in terms of the Indra's net metaphor, where one imagines a necklace of gemstones in which each stone reflects all the other stones in itself, and some very laborious up down forward backward left right explanations are given. Conclusion being, not only are all phenomena empty but it is the very emptiness of them that makes them possible. Were there static permanent essential natures for every little atom nothing would be in fact possible for us to experience... anything; each atom is the whole universe and the universe is each atom. I call it galaxy brain Buddhism. It's really not something you'd be able to get into unless you are already familiar with Buddhism in general. In that sense the Chinese interpretation is not unlike the source material of our resident Shankara reblogger; without having accepted the Upanishads the things he wrote are not relevant to you.

>>17233994
this portion posted here >>17233926 is taken from a part of Shankara's refutations of Buddhist doctrine as translated by AJ Alston. His is one of the better translations of Shankara's prose, but unlike the other translators his are not Shankara's actual commentaries but just selections from them arranged by topic. You can read Shankara's longest and most important refutations of Buddhist doctrine in his commentary on Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 4.3.7. and in his commentary on the long section in the Brahma Sutras dealing with Buddhism, and there are additional refutations scattered throughout his other commentaries especially on the Mandukya Karika.

If you want to read that portion of Shankara's actual commentary in his own words, I'd recommend Gambhirananda's and Vasudeo's translations. If you want to read an author or scholar discussing those refutations in a book, Chandradhar Sharma discusses them in 'the Advaita Tradition' and so does Darling in 'An Evaluation of the Vedāntic Critique of Buddhism'. Dasgupta also has a long discussion of the Vedanta vs Buddhism arguments in his 5-volume history of Indian philosophy.

Shankara's arguments were never answered by any medieval or early modern Buddhist thinker, or any notable ordained Buddhist figure who I'm aware of. Bhaviveka attempted to critique the pre-Shankara Advaita of Gaudapada, but he misunderstands Advaita and at times assumes Gaudapada to accept Bhedabheda doctrine which he doesn't, Nicholson points this out in his book 'Unifying Hinduism'. Bhavivekas text has been translated you can read it yourself, I have read portions of it and he seems to get it wrong. Later after Shankara, Shantaraksita in the Tattvasamgraha (also translated) didn't even try to answer Shankara's arguments but he did try to critique Vedantic monism/idealism, but Shantaraksita also completely misunderstands Advaita because he doesn't understand that in Advaita the consciousness is different from the changing transient objects superimposed or reflection onto it, and he tries to say "if consciousness was eternal there could be no change in objects and sound etc" without realizing that to Advaita consciousness is just the formless sentient basis in which they are taking place, like space in relation to physical objects; and so there is no contradiction for Advaita to say that the basis is eternal and immutable with only the appearances of or in it being manifold and changing.

>mfw I can only count to one

>>17229322
He figured a kind of ancient psychology and he wasn't the only one at that, it's just that history was kind to Buddhism, mainly due to successful patronage of rulers like Bimbisara, that it survived while countless other schools didn't. The meditation techniques and the religious framework were already there, and are used by all dharmic religions, but of course, Buddhists will argue they're just misremembering the teachings of past Buddhas and they're all counterfeit dharma that doesn't lead to anything. Jainism is a good example of how similar other sramanic traditions were, and it's actually older than Buddhism and mentioned in the sutras. It takes actually delving into their ontological beliefs to realize their incompatibility, but they still share a lot (Mahavira, the Jain founder is said to be the 23rd or 24th master that keeps rediscovering the same teachings in this kalpa).

>>17234978
I think what Siddartha didn't like about Jainism was the mortification of the flesh

>>17235011
Yeah, the middle way and all that. But everyone was hardcore back then, remember he lost a ton of monks to suicide when he made them meditate on corpses for too long.

he was smelly
and brown

>>17235031
>when he made them meditate on corpses for too long.
Huh? I thought that was a vajrayana thing that came later

when will hindoo larpers realise lamaism the supreme dharmic religion?

>>17235105
Vajrayana is too hardcore for me

>>17235105
Darn Indians with their street shitting and religious cannibalism. What's the point of thousands of years of civilisation if you can't even get the fundamentals of hygiene down.

>>17235136
>he hasnt taken the cannibalpill
not gonna make it

Opinions on Sheng-yen?

>>17235065
It's in the vinaya (monastic discipline canon). I find it hilarious that the story is simply used to say monks shouldn't kill themselves or HIRE someone to kill them.

>>17229393
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA23-cMrNA8

>>17235065
>>17235481
Correction: He made them meditate on the decay of the body.

>>17229393
>incapable of seeing the beauty in the world
>cope by saying everyone who sees it is just a con artist
many such cases

How do I ordain at a Zen temple?

>>17231069
based

>>17231069
>noooo you can't criticeze or make fun of my beliefs just you do to everyone else's
I get what you say but it's absurd to expect people not to misconstruct, criticize or make fun of anything here, let alone a 2500 year old religion.

>>17229452
whoa thats crazy