/lit/ - Literature

First for Black Seed.

>>17211815
>black sneed

>>17211800
Third for anime is /sffg/ and doesn't make you trans

>>17211800
https://www.deviantart.com/uthp/journal/The-Legend-of-Twilight-Zelda-Princess-part-I-348420007

>>17211829
We're all trans in here

>Black Swan

>>17211844
transcendental.

What are the kinoest character motivations?

Bakkerchads, post your predictions for the upcoming No-God book (which will never be released). Crazy theories welcome.
> Kellhus descends into Hell, where he starts setting himself up as the 101st God. He starts hoarding his followers' souls in attempt to conquer the Hundred from inside (lol, from Outside).
> Cnaiur's son goes full consult-retard, pillages his way across Eärwa ahead of the Horde of the No-God.
> The Survivor's son (Kell's grandson) something something, I don't know where Bak was going with this character
> Mimara's son is le new chosen one.
> Some shenanigans with Zeum.

Is my comic any good?

>>17211858
To kill people who use the word "kino"

I was hit by the realization today that even if I published my book 1 chapter a week, at my current pace I'd still need a year-and-a-half break between novels just to keep up. my only options to avoid that are quadruple my pace or give up. It's giving me a headache

I know we shit on GRRM for not writing, but I don't know how it's possible to keep up something as simple as a book every two years without giving yourself a stroke

>>17211865
inverse fire...?

>>17211869
woah that sounds keyed af

>>17211870
post an excerpt please

>>17211863
The series ends in a half page short story which explains how Drusas Achamian fucking snipes the No-God with normal ass gnosis due to it not having its chorae installed.

>>17211879
that's a literal tranny discord meme

Oh thank God, they banned the obnoxious anime tranny shitposter.

Need help. I never read but want to get into it. My cousin reads a lot. Me and my cousin are fairly similar. Cousin recommended this book 2 years ago. I read 50 pages 2 years ago but the story got absolutely fucking nowhere, characters were rather boring and felt like they were made on a tight budget, objects and people were described in no detail and more like just a big gap that you are supposed to fill with your imagination completely.

I want to get into reading but this Pratchett's praised franchise felt after 50 fucking pages of boredom like a big turd.

Do you like Pratchett? What do I do? What do you think?

>>17211979
I haven't read Colour of Magic personally but I've always heard it's very different from the other books.

I started with Mort and enjoyed it well enough. Guards! Guards! is a good starting point too

>>17211863
>The Survivor's son (Kell's grandson) something something, I don't know where Bak was going with this character

An Anasurimbor will return at the end of the world.

>>17211863
>> Kellhus descends into Hell, where he starts setting himself up as the 101st God. He starts hoarding his followers' souls in attempt to conquer the Hundred from inside (lol, from Outside).
I've always found this theory a bit mundane and anime.
The Outside is literally outside of time and space while being connected to the entire existence of Earwa, which is also why the gods are basically blind retards. Any contest/conquest/battle with them wouldn't resemble anything sane and as far as I can remember there haven't even been many forays into the Outside, aside from Kell's supposed trips there for the Decapitants.
If anything then Kellhus, or whatever is left of him, will begin to resemble the One God more and more, essentially merging theirs aspects, something akin to Ajokli's fuckery or TWLW, and he will be the one actually influencing events throughout history to BTFO the No-God, like sending the message that "an Anasurimbor will return" etc. Although that also doesn't make all that much sense since the Hundred are basically just fragments of the One God.
All of that is too far fetched though and I'm pretty sure Kellhus is just dead without even having reached the Absolute like chad Koringhus.
Maybe he did something similar to what Seswatha did with his soul/heart, since according to Bakker he is "dead but not done"

>>17212124
Does it trouble you, Survivorposter?
>D-does what... what trouble me?
To know that Koringhus burns in hell.

>>17212152
DELETE THIS

>tfw no second apocalypse mods for ck2 and mount and blade
Just imagine

>>17211815
>big black seed

Are mandate the only School not allowed to marry?

>>17212197
i was literally thinking the exact same the other day

What series to read after WoT anons. I'm on puc related

New Year
Fuck E William Brown

What's the best book on the Baen CDs?

https://baencd.thefifthimperium.com/
http://baencd.freedoors.org/
https://www.suramya.com/mirror/Downloads/baen/
https://hell.pl//szymon/Baen/
https://bobson.ludost.net/books/baens/

>>17212215
Maybe Malazan or the Witcher. Idk, what other sci fant di you like?

>>17211800

>THREAD THEME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ITspZNs-To

Reading Bakker has made me afraid of IRL damnation, bros...

>>17212269
Same desu

>>17212267
>YOU! WILL! DIEEEE!!!!

>>17212210
>“No. Of course not,” he replied, softly, as though trying to be gentle with hard truths. “I say this, Esmi, because Schoolmen cannot love—Mandate Schoolmen least of all.”
I'd assume all schoolmen since they are all damned and no priest would want anything to do with them. Mandate is also completely obsessed with the Consult and the idea of marriage is probably also frowned upon amongst themselves. They still fuck whores anyway.

Videssos cycle is really good.

>>17212252
This looks like something from scientology's sea org at first glance.

>>17211918
>Oh thank God, they banned the obnoxious anime tranny shitposter
Anime IS /sffg/ and does NOT make you trans, schizo

>>17212328
Hard to keep a stable marriage when you’re screeching about Seswatha every night.

>>17212485
It is but the first step on a long and winding path that may or may not end in trannydom. Safeguard your soul or be damned forever, anon.

>>17211800
Anyone got any good recent generation ship novels?

>>17212507
its no worse than degenerate smut, look at the state of anti-sander-schizo's brain on Bakker

Few years ago I read the first three Dresden Files books, but dropped the series. I have heard that the later books are better, where should I start? Can I skip the middle?

>>17212512
Book of the Long Sun

>>17212574
You really can't, because the middle books start building towards a Final Confrontation that's only really starting to come into focus in the last 3 books or so. You could skip some, but you'll tank your overall enjoyment when all the characters and events you're not familiar with come into play.
I've read all of them, though, and I can't remember reading one book that was like "oh, this is pointless, I could totally skip it" except maybe Peace Talks, but it's basically part 1 of a 2 parter so even then I wouldn't recommend it.

>>17212672
Read that

>>17210606

I enjoyed Seeking the Flying Sword and Seized by the System
Those two I finished this year

>Only just learned the guy who wrote Ready Player One is 48 years old
What the fuck, I thought it was some 20 year old.

>>17212840
That book couldn't have been written by anyone but a gen-xer. Also if someone is 20 today they were either born in 2000 or 2001 lol, no way they could've written about half of the references in that book.

>>17212512
Like, anything modern that takes place on a boat? The Bone Ships was pretty alright

>>17212840
Why would a 20 year be writing about how the 80s were the best decade ever?

I always hear people bringing up Zelazny as having good, even amazing prose on the level of being one of the “greats”. I’m currently reading Lord of Light and it just feels pointlessly purple. Hell, I like Tolkien so it’s not like I’m biased against antiquated prose, but Zelazny’s descriptions feel like they use a lot of words to tell you very little, and all of the dialogue feels like it’s trying way too hard to sound stately and old fashioned but ends up stilted and a bit ridiculous.

>>17213151
Lord of Light is an overwrought bore. Read This Immortal instead

>>17211800
>Why yes, the best character in Lord of the Rings is Bill Ferny

What's a good book with a super weird fantasy world?

>>17213221
Titus Groan.

>>17212252
>4 space dildos
does she have an extra hole?

>>17213160
this pic is gay af

> Hey babe, check out my sweet Chorae. Want to hold it?
> Wait!!! No...
> flash_bang.gif
> OH SHIT
All this and more on SALTED.COM

>>17211865
Nope.

>>17213151
You probably have bad taste

are the Esslemont Malazan books worth reading?

Really liked Canticle for Leibowitz, any more stuff like that? I've read and liked botns, dune, city of saints and madmen, the scar. fancy prose not a problem

>>17213221
Mieville's The Scar

>>17214822
>Mieville
I knew that no fun faggot would be recc'd to that question, got damn guys

>>17211870
As someone who is struggling with increasing his pace you really just have to treat it like a 9-5. That's really the benefit of being published and having a genuine career, it means you can just spend days at a time putting down words.

>>17214832
But his stuff is weird man, High Cromlech a city with undead nobility sounds enticing af.

>>17211979
If you're a pleb that needs pleb shit like a plot that makes sense and likeable characters then skip straight to Mort/Small Gods/Guards! Guards!. If you're still too brainlet for those then skip ahead to when Pratchett's dementia starts to set in

>>17213221
Stormlight Archive. Super detailed and unique fantasy setting.

>>17214822
Only good thing Mieville wrote was The Dowager of Bees.

Books like this?

Finally started my reread of The Darkness that Comes Before.
I remember why it was such a slow read. Bakker has a pretty oblique way of phrasing concepts for no apparent reason and he keeps throwing them at you. It's baffling. 100 pages in and every single non Achamian epigraph that happens to hint at some metaphysical maxim or philosophical conundrum is filled with 50% nonsense. Just his word choices require some getting used to ("worn tracks" to say "he traveled a lot"). His prose is just awkward which must filter most people. It's not lyrical, and it's not really effective with the imagery. The grand images, the majesty of the action sequences is mostly on the reader, read between the lines. The prose is just not helpful.
The worst part, by far, are his names. Maybe he thought he could do Tolkien with all his pseudo declensions to establish family lines and what not, but mixed with Arabic for originality points. They look ugly on the page. All these dumb names with random vowels and harsh sounds. And they sound awful. What sort of autistic madman would come up with all those languages in the Appendix that mean absolutely shit and are practically indistinguishable? That's a sign of how closely you need to read this stuff, and it's always made me wonder what the fuck he had in mind. Did nobody ever tell him most of the filler names were terrible? Idk.

Frankly, I'm just reading it for the worldbuilding and the plot. My first impression after finishing the trilogy was that the first part was the most polished one. I hope I can get over this first disappointment.

>>17215278
2nd one is the best

>Tor Books made more than 1,000 edits in The Dark Forest, the second book of the trilogy, some of which touched on gender discrimination. This included a reference to the secretary general of the United Nations as a "beautiful woman" and four males as the most important protagonists.

Words used to describe women, such as "purity" and "angelic," were deleted as well.

Liu said that he personally replied to a post that questioned the credibility of the book's foreign translator, adding that he accepts the need for the edits.

"Of course, there are cultural differences," he said. "I understand these changes."

OH NO NO NO


real talk the fact it was censored in this way is really concerning consdering how little coverage this god, only by total chance I found this out

>>17215515
No, last one is the best.
Also, clarity of understanding ≠ good prose. I enjoy Bakker's strange poetics. They're much more lyrical and involving than if the author simply told the reader exactly what's going on all the time.

>>17215278
>>17215596
so good prose is just subjective
all prosefags are now btfo'd

How do y’all feel about works that are technically science fiction but aren’t written like it? I started a sci-fi and am mostly using it to experiment, I realize it would probably feel like false advertising to call it a science-fiction.

itkovian is based

>>17215638
Lord of Light and Book of the New Sun are held in very good regard here.

am I tripping or did the main character in the fifth season LITERALLY kill their child?

liberals be crazy

>Courtney Schaefer's Shattered Sigil

any good?

>>17215530
I love The Dark Forest, probably one of my favourite hard sci-fi books. This news doesn't really startle me that much, as Liu himself says there's cultural differences.

I cede to an extent DF has romantic elements (hence 'angelic' - if I recall the protagonist literally invented his dream woman), but surely the core of these books is the alien invasion? If you're that fussed about the gender elements of the book I personally think you're focusing on the wrong things.

>>17215122
Which parts? The horrific dead returning in sci-fi setting, or the religious-cyberpunk space station?

Just finished picrel and I quite liked it. Are there any other good sci-fi adventure books like this? (preferably with little science non-sense jargon)

>>17215827
actually scary, gory bio-SF horror I guess.

>>17215968
Blindsight

>>17215278
Man, everything made perfect sense to me. I get that taste is subjective but you might have a learning disability.

>>17215278
>The worst part, by far, are his names. Maybe he thought he could do Tolkien with all his pseudo declensions to establish family lines and what not, but mixed with Arabic for originality points. They look ugly on the page. All these dumb names with random vowels and harsh sounds. And they sound awful. What sort of autistic madman would come up with all those languages in the Appendix that mean absolutely shit and are practically indistinguishable?
Names are my personal bugbear when it comes to fantasy. I wanted to read this series but as soon as I looked in the first book and saw the names I changed my mind.

>>17215968
Yeah Bindsight or Watt's previous book Starfish might fit that - the former isn't the sort of adventure book you might be looking for though, and the latter isn't space-themed.

Maybe Metro 2033? There's also a short Gene Wolfe story that fit somewhere in his collection Endangered Species (I can post the name later) - sorry I can't be much more help lad

>bugbear

>>17216336
'Bugbear' has been in use since the 1500s, my projecting chinless friend.

>>17214931
wtf i didnt even mention the story being bad or not understanding it how did you make that up? the first 50 pages were just full of walking from place to place, meeting random locals and being introduced to the world a bit. it just wasn't very vivid or exciting that's all. i wish i didn't understand the story because that would mean the story had to be deeper or more complicated which it definitely wasn't.

i personally love absurd humour and humour in general, which i also expected to be there when going into Pratchett's comedy fantasy but it just wasn't even mentioned. everything was more like gentle pokes with a stick and nothing more.

>>17216363
I hate to say this, but Pratchett is literally r*ddit. He is the definition of soulless, r*ddit satanism. He is the void, the r*ddit void.

did we finally scare the trannys away?

>>17216386
I do not know, but just to be clear: They will never be women.

>>17216376
well that's what i fucking got out of it too but unironically. every moment of that book i've read was like a person taking a deep breath and you expecting him to say something but he never does. one deep breath after another without any speech, ever.

if you weren't joking then can you recommend some fantasy? just some you enjoyed?

House of Suns a good place to start with Alistair Reynolds works if I want to read something his did that is stand alone don't want to delve deep into his mythology just yet?

Post examples of good fantasy names.
Hard mode: No Tolkien

>>17216430

Meryvyn Peake

>>17216386
>implying you scare anyone
Your therapist maybe.

>>17216430
Wolfe just uses exotic irl names.
Like in New Sun all the humans are named after obscure saints.
Or in Long Sun where the vironese men all have names of animals or animal products (Horn, Silk, Auk, Oosik) and girls have plant or plant product names (Mint, Rose, Chenille)

>>17216430
drizzt do urden

just kidding lol.

Ikurei Conphas
Ikurei Xerius III
Nersei Proyas
Esmenet
Coithus Athjeäri
Amakusa Shirou Tokisada

>>17216471
I dont mind bakker names desu i think some people are just autistic

>>17216430
GRRM's Westerosi names. You don't need to make up bullshit stupid-sounding "fantasy" names; you can just use normal names that have the right ring to them, or compose them out of normal names and words. Tywin Lannister, Eddard Stark, Winterfell, Ramsay Bolton, etc. I'll take that any day over Castle Lamarkghorh or Szezthez or Komäl'tudaöhth.

>>17216549
It's even simple to do.
Bannister -B +L = Lannister
Edward - w +d = Eddard
Jeffrey -o +d = Joffrey
Tyler -ler +win = Tywin
Voila, fantasy names.

>>17216586
>Jeffrey -o +d = Joffrey
I obviously meant -e +o

>>17215530
Can you post the source for that?
I haven't found anything about it.

>>17216430
Whiskeyjack

>>17216308
>>17215968
Thanks for the recc. I've already read Metro 2033 twice and remember it very positivly (maybe I'll play the game again after Dead Space), so that's definitly the vie I'm looking for.

>>17216108
>>17215968
goddammit, meant (you) obviously, not (me)

>>17216607
It's evocative as hell, that's for sure.

>>17216549
I'm with you on that.

>>17216607
>Name character Whiskeyjack

>There's no whiskey in the entire 10 book shitty series

BRAVO ERIKSON

>>17216599
Do you have a source on that?

Source?

A source. I need a source.

Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.

No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered. You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.

Do you have a degree in that field? A college degree? In that field? Then your arguments are invalid. No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.

Correlation does not equal causation.

CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.

You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.

Nope, still haven't.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/917836.shtml

>>17216676
>Character name whiskeyjack
>powerlevel varies massively from seemingly random soldier to beating Kallor(lmao)
>also a mary sue
>name sounds like jack daniels

>>17212124
>>17212152
>>17212152
>>17212169
Serwe died and literally became Onkis, the goddess of hope. Kelly went Outside and saw her head stuck on a copper tree.

>>17216549
>>17216586
They are shit

>>17216732
Dumb. Whether you like the books or not the names are good.

>>17216714
Half the characters in that series are Mary Sues. It was like reading about someone else's lifelong D&D campaign. I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

>>17216753
They are not good. They are bad.

>>17216762
rake is basically jesus

>>17216762
>I wouldn't be surprised if it was.
It actually was.
Caladan and Anomander were literally Erikson's and Esslemont's player characters in GURPS.
I still really like Malazan though, even Esslemont's books.
>tfw no azathenai gf

>>17216705
Thank you for delivering, I didn't found anything about it while searching.

>anomander "i have all of the mommy issues" rake
For me, its Silchas Ruin.

>>17216782
only reason I heard about it was some poltard talking about it a year or two ago, sort of scary that it got literally 0 press coverage, I never would have known otherwise and never saw it on reddit, if you google 3 body problem censorship all you get is stuff about the mao revolution. "Localisation" is basically just censorship these days

>>17216806
more like silchas jobber lol, he got owned by everyone

NOOO PLEASE DON'T THROW A GRENADE AT ME

>>17216705
interesting that only the fan's comment about publishers not having the right to edit the work has an actual name on it and after that reads:
>Meanwhile, others said that female characters in the book were unfavorably portrayed.
I wonder who these unnamed others are

>modern medieval fantasy novel
>women fight alongside men
Why? I get it when it's a witch or something, but femail warriors in a medieval setting is retarded. Name a fantasy series from the last 10 years that don't do that.

>>17216835
Unironically Bakker. As far as I can remember the only women who actually fought were the Swayali witches later on and they had the Gnosis, so it doesn't really count.

>Shera is a twisted fucking psychopath just because
>Shera develops a male crush just because
all this filth feels like unnecessary checkmarks to tick off for a story
females written by females normally suck to read about because females are fucking BORING and uncreative
females written by males are normally females written AS males lawl
truly
undoubtedly
makes the noggin go a joggin

>>17216868
>write a female as a male
>men like it, women hate it
>write a female as a female
>men hate it, women hate it even more
>write a female as a perfect goddess who everyone loves
>nebula award

>>17216676
Read most of Gardens of the Moon now. Somehow I don't like it when the name of the book comes from some minute detail like Sorry talking about some legend in the end of one chapter. So underwhelming.

>>17216846
mimara killed a nigga with a sword but it was a surprise attack

>>17216549
>tfw 'fantasy names' are just normal names 'ere in the Norf of England

Do all ebooks suck, or are pirated ones made to suck through the process of stripping DRM etc?
The formatting is always missing, so you can't tell where paragraph breaks are, and there's always OCR errors, like ll being replaced with H.
It makes me very reluctant to switch from paper books to digital if they're going to spoil the reading experience.

>>17217007
I buy all my ebooks to try to avoid this. Stripping DRM shouldn't do that because I do it to any I buy that have it so I can store them locally.

>>17217045
Of course you don't get perfect results even if you buy them, but I think it works out better than pirating one that came from god knows where. I know that certainly everything I've read has had clear paragraph breaks. When I first got an ereader I wanted a particular book and when I looked to pirate it there were like 20 different versions available. How were these created? How do I know they're even complete? I think it's ultimately just a question of whether the convenience that the device provides outweighs some of these problems. For me it does.

>>17216846
serwe killed a nansurian nigga

>>17217045
I'm just never sure if the files have been compromised somehow, the program is fucking it up, or that's just how they are. I don't want to spend money on the device and the books just to find they're still broken.

I am glad the Inrithi faith isn't just "Not-Catholicism", it has a bunch of greco-hindu-semitic pagan elements and practices which is based.

>>17216868
Which book?

>>17217114
If there are problems with the ebook, then it's a problem with the ebook file that you downloaded. If you pirated it, well, who knows? Some guy could have just typed it up himself and fucked the entire thing up. If you're in doubt go on Amazon and look at the reviews and sort them so that its hows Kindle reviews and see if there are a bunch of people complaining about typos and formatting. If you don't see anything like that then it should be safe to buy it, either from Amazon or other stories (I use Kobo unless they don't have something since you can download in epub format).

>>17217007
>The formatting is always missing,
You wouldn’t even consider that this would happen to legitimately bought ebooks, right?

Because this has happened to me multiple times already, which is why I’m switching from Kobo to Amazon. At least they have a higher quality control.

>>17217127
https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Sea-Elder-Empire-Book-ebook/dp/B00RE68P8C

>>17217163
>>17217140
Speaking of which, at is the best format to use on a Kindle Oasis? I have a bunch of EPUBs I’ve bought and I would like to convert them for the oasis. Which format is the best one?

>>17217163
On both stores you need to make sure you're buying a book from a legitimate publisher and not some random OCR company. Sometimes there are multiple versions available.

>>17217212
Yes, but the Kobo store is shit, when compared to Amazon.

>>17217217
How so? Sometimes they don't have something, in which case I use Amazon. The books you're going to get are the same. It's not like they re-edit them or something. You just have to deal with Amazon's file formats.

>>17217226
Because Amazon customers are vicious on the comments. It’s a nice barometer to check the quality. Amazon also offers you a better way to preview the book you want to buy before spending a dime.

>>17217245
That's why I told the other anon to check Amazon reviews. The book you get on Kobo will be the same book if it's from the same publisher.

>>17217255
What about pricing?

>>17217272
Seems to be the about the same.

>>17217007
The only ebooks I ever notice with glaring typos are bootlegs of more obscure books so old they were published before ebooks were a thing. If you can find a retail edition of any given modern ebook it's usually pretty well-made. Even most of the antique bootlegs only have minimal formatting issues.

>>17217119
and founded by jesus-hegel.

I think it’s was the Midnight Tides book from the Malazan book of the fallen.

I bought that on the Kobo store, and that shit was unreadable. Paragraphs were a blank space as well as POV changes. You never knew what was going on. Stopped reading because of it.

>>17217383
I looked on Amazon and it's formatted the same way there. That isn't something I'm fond of, but it's only a problem when a section ends at the bottom of a page.

>buying books

>>17217465
It seems the trannies are back. You will never be women.

>>17217465
t. povo cunt

>>17217465
I have a job that pays above minimum wage so the cost is meaningless.

>>17217465
books aren't exactly expensive

>>17217465
tranny

>>17217453
>but it's only a problem when a section ends at the bottom of a page.
No no.

You don’t understand. Ever single paragraph in the book has a blank like before it. When you have a new POV there’s also a blank line before. So you’re never aware if you’re reading a new paragraph or if the POV changes.

>>17217453
>>17217533
I forgot to mention that there are multiple POV changes in a single chapter.

>>17217533
>>17217545
Ah, I see. I looked at the preview on Kobo and it looks the same as on Amazon, with only a blank space between POV/section changes, but not before paragraphs. Maybe they fixed it.

>>17217465
>>17217494
>>17217514
Imagine how these trannies simply cannot post without anime pics. It is always too easy to spot them. Unless of course they want to be spotted.

>>17217621
And it's not just any anime picture, it's always a picture of a little girl or something. That's how you can always tell for sure.

>>17217588
Nevermind. I'm a fucking idiot. Apparently I've been getting fucked because I'm an European and we get the worst editions possible, even for e-books.

They are the same for you because you're probably in the US. Kobo sells the Malazan books from a different editor in the EU.
Amazon sells me whatever I want. regardless of where I'm from. Which is why I won't even bother with Kobo anymore.

>>17217327
What's Hegel about Inri Sejenus?

>>17217645
Have you tried to buy it from Amazon? I think they restrict ebook sales based on country as well.

>>17217645
Just download Erikson's works from the ULTIMATE COLLOSSAL CALIBRE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY COLLECTION THREAD 2 thread in >>/t/

Why didn't you fuckers tell me this was Kino?

Hands down the most fun Fantasy novel I have read.

>>17217676
It's anime. Second one as well.

3rd and 4rth are hot piles of shit.

No one here will tell you otherwise.

>>17217656
I think that you can buy on any amazon shop you want. It's the same account across all of them.

But even then, I doubt that amazon is actively stopping you from buying whatever you want.

>>17217676
People dont like to say Sanderson's works might be good because the two (2) Bakkershills are vigilantly telling people in every thread how
>1. Sanderson's prose is bad
>2. Sandersoy is reddit
>3. Trannies like Sanderson
>4. Sanderon is anime

>>17217693
This is one of the Bakker shills.

Do not get discouraged. Read Sanderson and Bakker. You will always get gaslighting in 4chan.

>>17217710
How am I a Bakker shill if I enjoyed The Way of Kinds and Words of Radiance?

They are still anime. Books 3 and 4 are trash when compared to the first couple of books.

>>17217704
I believe you have to spoof their system by using a fake address in another country. How that interacts with payment methods I'm not sure.

>>17217710
I enjoy Sanderson and I still call him anime, because I don't see that as a bad thing. It's one of his strengths and the reason I find his books fun. He really does have some overlap with anime.

>>17217828
like what kind of anime? cool 80s anime? or autistic 2000s plastic anime?

>>17217828
I consider him more RPG than Anime

>>17215596
>Also, clarity of understanding ≠ good prose.
You would fit in really well with modern literary circles where people circlejerk obtuse, nonsensical metaphors all day, anything that's "unusual" or "doesn't parse easily" is considered high quality.

>>17217854
Like Dragon ball, literally.

>>17217855
>RPG
I hate autistic power level shit in books.

>>17216762
>It was like reading about someone else's lifelong D&D campaign. I wouldn't be surprised if it was.
Not D&D, but yes, it was taken from a table top role playing game Erickson and Esselmont worked on together and ran campaigns with. It's pretty obvious which characters were PCs.

>>17217888
That's all Sanderson is, unfortunately. He will sacrifice the contents of the book to deliver a spectacular ending.

>>17217676
The second book has one of the most kino moments in fantasy. Things really start moving at the end of book 2 though and from then on the nature of the conflict changes rapidly so that books 3 and 4 feel pretty different.

>>17217854
Battle shounen manga, which hasn't really changed much since the 1990s. The way he powers up characters, paces their growth, and relies on power systems, means you could rewrite his books as shounen manga and publish them in Weekly Shounen Jump without much issue.

>>17217922
hmm, that's a bit of a shame. I like more picaresque style adventure stories in fantasy with scrappy characters getting into trouble and adventures etc

black sneed

>>17217939
Sanderson's always about the action scenes. He writes them in extreme detail with a lot of thought put into choreography that shows off powers, another way he reminds me of battle shounen manga.

Of course that's not to say he's anime the whole way through, just that he's got enough of the same traits that I find it apt. I still really like how every world he writes isn't just an earth reskin, there's always some extreme difference about it that had a dramatic effect on how life developed that he pays very close attention to and really thinks about how it would change society. Of course that also means his books heavily emphasize narration and description. Character writing is something he struggles with, and he relies a lot on cliches to help prop up shallow characters.

>>17217007
i've been reading exclusively pirated e-books for about a year, this comes up maybe 1/7th of the time. it depends on the source of the book + what format you need it in, if you don't run any conversions and you download a good source it's usually fine. sometimes you get weird justification errors or ocr errors, but the most annoying by far is the "every paragraph has a break" error, which means you need to run a conversion (even if it's output is same format) and use heuristic processing to remove paragraph breaks, which of course removes all of them and upsets the flow of the story.

generally i download .mobi since i use an old kindle and most of the time it's ok, especially older e-books. newer stuff tends to be new-format .mobi which causes justification errors a lot, so for newer things i just download an epub and run the heurisic conversion. it doesn't always completely remove all paragraph breaks, and usually the output is good enough for me.

also pirated ebooks and purchased ebooks are identical, removal of drm has no impact on the formatting, there's very little reason to actually buy any ebook.

maidenhead
sopping wet
teats
mayhaps
broke his fast

Does anybody write good action scenes that aren't anime?

>>17218030
Bakker

>>17218029
FAT PINK MAST

>>17218030
>>17218066
His action scenes are very few but very good (what like 5 total over 6 books) his battle scenes are great but I wouldn't call them action, they are very detached and biblical

>>17218029
nuncle
four and twenty
ser (only chose this because they are closer on the ancient keyboard he uses)

>>17218030
Martin writes pretty good action, but there's not actually a lot of it in his books. I'd say Robert Jordan was pretty good at writing pitched battles, very grandiose and flashy. I would say both of them lean toward the "cinematic" style of writing. Both tend to use it whenever there's action, but Jordan is more liable to use it elsewhere. The introductions of his books have a very cinematic feel to them, for example.

>>17218132
I know he is a thread meme, but Bakkers battles are pretty good. Especially the Nansurian vs Scylvendi one in the darkness that comes before

>>17218132
Martin has literally like 2 action scenes in all his books combined

bandit cunt vs old aery cunt and blackwater and jon vs qhorin.

>>17218066
>>17218122
>that scene where all the nobility is fighting heroically and Bakker takes a few pages to casually describe a dozen or so of them dying one by one and getting dragged to hell and metaphysically torn apart by demons, their souls shrieking in confused terror

>>17218147
I like how it's revealed in a later book that the secret element in the battle was ass raping Scylvendi prisoners in full view of their clan chieftains, which obligated them to attack.

>>17218163
>that one chad in TUC who goes to gilgaol

>>17218163
Based Bakker making his readers be afraid of in real life damnation, turning them all Christian.

In an interview Bakker said:
>Personally, I hope there's a God, but I don't believe in one. I think hope is enough.

>>17218230
>Based Bakker making his readers be afraid of in real life damnation, turning them all Christian.

literally this lol, I was already a Christian but it probably would have converted me if I wasn't

also Hope for god is basically faith according to le church fathers and shiet, so yeah... I'm thinking he's saved

>>17217588
>>17217656
>>17217657

I'm using calibre, but this shit is driving me crazy. Maybe some of you gentleman can help me.

Book on the left was bought like that.

>>17218007
>here's very little reason to actually buy any ebook.
You gave the reason: so I don't have to deal with the bullshit the rest of your post is about.

>>17218277
Try redownloading it. I checked Amazon and Kobo for that exact book and neither of their previews showed a blank space between paragraphs.

>>17218286
That's for the American versions. I have an Euro one from Kobo. I've checked it.

>>17218277
download mobi format, here is how it looks for me

Is it autistic to envision the Nasurian soldiers as byzantine and their elite cavalry as cataphracts

>>17218294
It's not the format. It's that he got it from a Euro publisher.

>>17218294
Memories of Ice doesn't have this problem. Also >>17218292

>>17217710
hey there are at least three (3) of us

>>17218277
this is generally caused by a shitty source and is not something you can actually fix, if you have the option get a differently sized/formatted copy.

also the extra indentation is part of heuristic processing, it's actually an option in calibre "ensure scene breaks are consistently formatted." try re-converting with that unchecked.

>>17218280
i see you didn't read any of the rest of the post. that shit happens with purchased books just as often.

>>17218163
which book is that in again? WP?

I recently got into fantasy and just finished the first mistborn book. Does anyone else dislike Vin as a character as much as I do? Any advice on other books with less "teenage feelz"?

>>17218313
>i see you didn't read any of the rest of the post. that shit happens with purchased books just as often.
Hasn't happened to me yet. I make sure not to buy shitty editions of books, though.

>>17218341
She is young and has growing pains, there will be less of them in the second book. If you want a Sanderson's work that is more male perspective and less little girls try Way of Kings.

>>17218341
less teenage means not sanderson. his least YA book is probably way of kings, that series is terrible but the first (and to an extent the 2nd) book is alright.

>>17218353
>>17218362
Alright, thanks. I didn't mind it as much until the whole romance thing with Elend started, I'd like to avoid books with any romance

>>17218389
The romance aspect is very small in 2nd mistborn book.

>>17218436
Great! I'll keep reading =)

Any knife ear lover should get the rope.

>>17218687
any book where elves are slaughtered by the thousands?

>>17217007
That’s why you look for the nice epubs while you download in libgen or wherever, not the suspiciously light ones with no metadata and covers scanned from ratty paperbacks

>>17218341
>reading sanderson first
ngmi

>>17218687
elven chicks are made for human dicks

>>17218700
malazan, kinda

>>17218341
I like mythopoetic fantasy or sci fi-fantasy/weird fiction cause its not the usual epic fantasy plot or medieval europe setting and they usually have better prose. Try Lud in the Mist, Lovecraft's mythos, Clark Ashton's Smith, Dunsany's The Gods of Pegana, Wolfe's Book of the New Sun.

>>17218783
Also for the record if you download Public Domain stuff check if standardebooks has it before Project Gutenberg, those are nicer

>>17218790
what would you recommend then?
>>17218801
thanks for the books, i will check them out. what does mythopoetic mean however in this context?

>>17215956
Why's there a big fat black ass in the sky?

>>17212574
You can't skip any of them but some like ghost stories you can probably speed read it

>>17218319
Has to be Aspect Emperor, there wasn't confirmation that souls go to the Outside in Prince of Nothing.

I don't want to be damned, bros.

>>17211865
i like it

>>17218835
doesnt matter what you read

but still any of these will get you introduced to fantasy
>tolkien
>jordan
>bakker
>sanderson
>erikson
>wolfe

>hero
>villain

Why is all so tiresome?

>>17218835
see
>>17217710

is there an equivalent to inchoroi in irl mythology and religion

Do not know what to read? Why not choose book / book series based on how much trannies and reddit SJWs hate it?
>Check out this easy list which shows the amount of sexual violence in SFF books
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hQi6C2RQvjGzjSoXU0D063fCFcz1wCHXFUe7PfEsGrk/edit?usp=sharing

>>17219017
a good concept but that list isn't really a good way to do it. best thing is to look at reviews that are 2 or 3 stars, read the review, and if it's saying these awesome things about the book are totally terrible for retarded sjw reasons it's probably good.
a particularly excellent hallmark is stuff along the lines of "why aren't there any strong female characters in this book", this is an indicator of an exceptional book almost every time.

>>17219034
based

>>17219034
Where can I find these reviews?

>>17219074
goodreads. always skim past 4 and 5 star reviews, they have no value.
you can also do the inverse if a book has nothing but high reviews with the occasional 1 star did not finish because here's my blog about some shit nobody cares about, check the reviews for "and i love that women can also be strong swordswomen and fight alongside the men and are totally just as badass and capable as dudes instead of the usual female archetypes we see in fantasy so often" and then you know you can safely avoid that book.

>>17219088
>goodreads. always skim past 4 and 5 star reviews, they have no value.
This is so true. Who the fuck even gives a 5 star to anything? Especially a book?

>>17217759
LMAO

>>17219099
part of how the internet works, the only things you ever see are 5 or 1 stars, generally you don't rate something that you only thought was fine or merely good.

also skip any reviews with shit tons of pictures in them, the fuck is wrong with those people.

>>17219088
The Darkness That Comes Before
>a female review

>>17219204
i tol' you man, never fails.

>>17219088
>>17219034
>But I can't get over how the book portrays women. There are two women in the main cast, and both are prostitutes (one is a concubine, the other is this world's version of a call girl). The "call girl" is clever and sympathetic but the other is a blithering idiot. They're set against a backdrop that is almost all men -- very few women are side characters, among a cast of literally thousands, and none are sympathetic. And the way the male characters talk about, think about, and observe women is almost universally demeaning. Any one of these things I could decide not to let bother me in a book I was otherwise enjoying; all of them together is getting a bit much. It's one thing to say "it's the characters' view, not necessarily the author", but when it's this pervasive I start to wonder.
Oh no no no

>>17219204
Some reviews are way worse. I can't find them now, but some anon posted them a couple of threads ago.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/37998/wish-mountain

Chapter One is up!

>>17219204
Another one

>>17219237
And another one

>look up reviews of later books in TSA
>overwhelming majority are by men
What is implied here?

>>17219248
>autistic only likes the INTJ stare dunyain
based

>>17219257
Women struggle to make it through the PoN trilogy. Esmenet hits too close to home.

>>17219248
>"muh women"
>likes Anasûrimbor fucking Kellhus
I don't know what to think
>>17219257
Because DTCB is kind of a pleb filter itself, but also because they're women

>>17219248
Another one, this time from a
>intelligent female reader

>>17219301
Another short one

>>17219327
the definition of filtered

I promise that this one is worth the read.

>>17219360

>>17217935
What's the black stuff? Chorae?

>>17219360
>"If something even bears the slightest resemblance to a penis, he makes the reader aware of it."
>implying that is not how every single adult human being on the planet thinks

>>17219327
another one

>>17219404
Black cum.

Couldn't find a better representation. What about the rest? Accurate?

>Kellhus watched while the Scylvendi took her again. With her whimpers, her suffocated cries, it seemed the ground beneath slowly spun, as though stars had stopped their cycle and the earth had begun to wheel instead. There was something . . . something here, he could sense. Something outraged.
>From what darkness had this come?
>Something is happening to me, Father.
Was Kellhus already losing his mind here?
Did cuckoldry break him?

What is some chinkshit from yesteryear i.e. written pre-internet?

>>17219448
I've only read the first book, so please no spoilers if I'm going to find out later.

Did she fuck Kellhus or not? I'm not sure if she's fucking delusional or what.

>>17219301
There's other books with fantasy gnosticism?

>>17219381
Imagine being upset like this over the word womanish.

>>17219381
It was worth the read.

>>17219419
Didn't understand the SFW porn one either

>>17219454
tranny

>>17219497
SFW board?

>>17219454
You will never be a woman.

>>17219458
She's deluded

Literal brainlet review
>I had to look up words from the dictionary
>lot of hard words
>weird names
>deep philosophies
>Not recommended

>mfw we will never have more author's like Bakker in the post modern era

>>17219522
>he doesn't say anything at all
>doesn't explain and elaborate how and why he doesn't say anything at all
fuck goodreads, fuck that guy and fuck anyone else promoting low-quality discourse, including anons itt.

>>17219381
good lord, that weak woman has a serious case of needing a serious pounding. imagine dating that, what a nightmare.

These are the most common complained about things in Bakker's 2 and 3 star reviews
>had to use the dictionary
>too hard words
>not enough exposition
>too hard names
>lack of strong female characters
>too complex world
>starts too slow
>too dark
>oppressive
>BIG IDEAS

>>17219544
see
>>17219088

>>17218341
Read Moorcock's Elric Saga and The Chronicles of Amber.

>Canadian author Bakker’s impressive, challenging debut, the first of a trilogy, should please those weary of formulaic epic fantasy. Bakker’s utterly foreign world, Eärwa, is as complex as that of Tolkien, to whom he is, arguably, a worthier successor than such established names as David Eddings and Stephen Donaldson.
Sandercucks BTFO

>The Utemot chieftain wiped a bare forearm aross his mouth and nose. He spat blood. "A prince of nothing," he said
Bravo, Bakker.

>>17218835
>>17218991
people arguing over sanderson and bakker are both cultural retards and both have awful taste
nobody knows who bakker is for a reason and everyone knows who sanderson is because he appeals to the absolute lowest common denominator
something in the middle is better but those are basically the two ends of the spectrum, and if you find yourself on either one you have done something wrong
IMO start with earthsea, lotr, wheel of time, or even asoiaf or kingkiller chronicles. any of those will have more depth than sanderson's stuff and will give you a better sense of what else you might want to read - you might go from there towards wolfe and vance or towards hobb or ggk.
it's just better to start your search in the middle than at either end

>>17219624
>muh centrism

Bros, I've been deliberating over the for a few days now and finally decided to bite the bullet and continue reading a series instead of just stopping after the first book.
Tombs of Atuan it is!

>>17219643
You will never be a woman.

>>17219624
>Well Yes. A Song of Ice and Fire is my favorite series, how could you tell?

>>17219381
clearly mad she's hitting the wall

>>17219223
Why does it look like those werecat people from the First Scooby Doo Movie?

>>17219798
cos its based.

/bakgen/

>>17219668
Wouldn't want to be, schizo
Do you even read books?

>>17219854
Unironically this.
For a while now each time Bakker posting stops the general essentially crawls to a halt. Even everything else ceases being discussed.

>>17219924

We can discuss Sandaro's prose instead.

>>17219904
Is this some modern dating sim?
I have fond memories of the ones made in flash from the early 2000s.

>>17219008
This is pure speculation but I personally think that Bakker was somewhat inspired by the apkallu, sages with a man-body attached to a fish-body, who emerged from the sea to impart technical wisdom to mankind before returning to the waters.

>>17219934
I think it's porn, anon

>>17219943
As were the ones I have those fond memories of, so yes I assume?

>>17219624
I made the first post you responded to. I dont mind Sanderson but I am just looking for a "rational+grimish" fantasy world which still has interesting magic and such

Do you think the Progenitors civilization still exists somewhere out there in the Void? That the Fathers of the Inchoroi still seek to forestall their damnation... or was the Ark the last remnant of their civilization, driven on a galaxy-spanning genocidal quest for which there is no longer any purpose?

>>17220006
The problem with Sanderson is not that he's a bad mediocre, he's simply bad.

>>17219360
>if you want good grimdark try Abercrombie instead

Gross. Abercrombie’s lifeless world and generic subversions aren’t better than anything but the lowest fantasy dregs.

> HOW LONG HAVE YOU SERVED REDDIT?

>>17220006
Eragon

>>17220163
based paolini poster

>>17219932
curse sandaro!

>>17217107
>>17216730
Serwë is thin crust gourmet flatbread for Ciphrang to munch on for all eternity. She didn’t become a goddess, she burns like the rest. Everyone is damned, even those who get to “heaven.”

The head on a pole means a lot of things, but I highly doubt it refers to Serwë becoming Oncis. That just makes no sense desu

>>17220151
Heat cupped the fallen Believer-King’s eyes, a sting he could not swat away.

“So these are my wages?” he cried on the welling edge of anguish. “These are my wages? Betrayal? Damnation?”

The white-robed figure stood without reply, or perhaps replied by standing.

Proyas looked back to Golgotterath, the tyrant that had commanded this final betrayal in sooth. And it seemed the most mad thing, both in and of itself, and relative to him and his yearning. At long last he could scry the distance, pace the cubits, between here and the dread end that had given meaning to every instant of his life.

To come so close.

All that Malowebi knew of Nersei Proyas was the residue of what passed through the Satakhanic Court, rumours of politic melancholy, godlike appearance, and ferocious conviction, the very image of the great man bound to a legendary vocation—not much, but more than enough to know it was no small murder the Holy Aspect-Emperor committed here at the very ends of the earth.

“Let me die,” the man begged. “Please, Kellhus.”

The Anasûrimbor’s voice fell as edict from the overarching oblivion, as it always did given Malowebi’s skewed vantage.

“No, Proyas … The World holds no torment that can compare to what awaits you. I have seen. I know.”

Proyas. Proyas. Proyas.. the wages of sin are death..

>>17220222
This passage gave me chills when I read it, same with his last moments in the tent with Akka.
But Anon. Anon, Anon... the wages of merely living are damnation.

>>17219529
nope

any fantasy series where women AREN'T sassy sword wielding dervishes won't even make it off the ground

Ajencis famously spoke of the way the soul could make anything a marker of anything else—how all human signs were arbitrary. Even when it came to sorcery, he argued, what mattered were the meanings. But some symbols, Achamian knew, were indistinguishable from their meaning. Some symbols tyrannized, others galvanized, not by virtue of what they meant, but because of what they accomplished.

A sword was such a symbol. As was a shield, or a Circumfix …

The dust settled like sand kicked in a tidal pool, baring details that seemed nude for the brilliance of the sun and the dark contrast of the Shroud rearing beyond. Golgotterath lay exposed before them, like the skull of some mountain-headed beast, half-buried in desolation, only one great antler remaining …

One Horn.

The School of Mandate had made fetishes of many things, for theirs had always been a desperate cause, and the desperate were forever bent on anchoring their preposterous hopes with more tangible items. But the Horns of Golgotterath had been their one and only idol, the image they had perpetually prayed against. For it was always there, a shadow thrown across the curve of the entire World, lingering on the extremis of every glance, every gaze, no matter how trivial or epic the occasion, a memory of horror that had become horror, a leering token of itself.

A symbol of terror that was terror, distilled and embodied.

And it had been broken …

>>17219965
yeah, it's ok. unfinished, patreon stuff with i think two total sex scenes in the whole game, the only thing it really has going for it is good art. worth bookmarking and checking back in like 3 years when it might have a reasonable amount of content. name is lust campus

>>17220279
If only he had kept the Sun-Lance for what was to come immediately after instead of wasting its charges on a symbolic action that did nothing but crush a few thousand Sranc.

>>17220308
destorying the horn was actually a pretty good move if I remember right, it stopped the sranc surrounding the ordeal and made them have to run around the horn

>>17220279
Golgotterath is supposed to sound like Golgotha right

>>17220324
and https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Gorgoroth


Quenya.. Quya

Dunedain... Dunyain

etc

Though you lose your soul, you shall gain the world.

Mandate Catechism

For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?

Mark 8:36

>>17220324
>>17220331
bakker says the entire series is a reverse lotr

>>17220337
>>17220339
Yes, he's obsessed with inversions if you haven't noticed.
> Upside-down prophets bringing the word of Man to Heaven? An inside-out God?

>>17220339
wot if loike elves and men were evil yeah? fooking mental innit...

>>17220360
bruh

bros....... the consult are so strong..... im so demoralized.... i must surrendur and service sranc dick....

>>17220400
somewhat related note, Moenghust traveling with sranc was kind of weird, they apparently have a language and stuff but all we see of them is super low IQ and raw violence, idk how he "convinced" them to not kill him

>The Ark was damaged in the crash, and its actually intelligent servants could not be produced directly, the best it could do was Inchoroi. After their failures the Ark realised that they're not up to the task, and through some unknown proxy engineered a Scam Religion - order of Dûnyain. They were given advanced genetic technologies to accelerate breeding to peak performance, while their phylosophy was specifically crafted to help in both operating Ark's technology and finishing No-God and leading the war. Thus their takeover was a Batman Gambit on Ark's part - their disdain for gods and magic and ruthless pragmatism lead them to the same conslusions as Ark's creators, giving them an incentive to finish Ark's mission as well. The only Spanner in the Works was Kellhus and his Deal with the Devil, but even that actually didn't change much.

interesting theory

>>17220360
>evil

Nah, that's what I like about Bakker. He's not the "shit piss fuck" brand of cheesy grimdark that most of /sffg/ prefers, where all the characters do sick sword moves and quip about how arse everything is while falling in love and getting happy endings at the finale.

Bakker's characters all have genuine moments of companionship, heroism, love, compassion, etc. They just get brutalized and assaulted by the nightmare universe they're stuck inside. While many of their stories start off with some optimism and quipping, by the end of it everyone is either hollow like a survivor of a long civil war or utterly insane. It's actually a lot more like LOTR in this way. The characters suffer, and there's little humor in the suffering. They know the end of the world is upon them, and they have almost no chance of winning.

It's the uncomfortable kind of grimdark

>>17220400
Bro, stop eating the Meat.

>>17220429
kellhus will return from the dead in some nightmarish form after his descent into hell, please bros

>>17220419
reddit tier speculation. Dûnyain are a lost philosophical sect of the Ancient North.

>>17220444
>digits
THE FOUR HORNED BROTHER

>>17220447
with totally unknown origins

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>>17220456
>>17220456
>>17220456
>>17220456
>>17220456

>>17220429
holy war and great ordeal the average inrithi soldier was pretty evil, as opposed to lotr where most men are pretty good

>>17220444
>mfw people are still falling for dunyain ruses

>>17213221
A Peculiar Peril is a pretty weird fantasy world. It has a mix of absurdist and surrealist stuff going on.

>>17216363
He changed his style after the first few books and started writing allegories, rather than mocking fantasy tropes. I would suggest starting with the guards books, or the industrial revolution set. That will give you a better view of what the whole series is like.

>>17221116
thanks for the advice

>>17219932
God Dawnshard really was cringe