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>>17212852
dont know about shittiest, it definitely doesnt seem shittiest for the average system. it does always seem doomed to the same fate in that it creates weak citizens who eventually all come to believe they can get anything they want just by voting for it, no work involved, forever.

>>17212955
meant average citizen not system

>>17212852
Well, yes. Look at the US elections. Look at Western societies. China and even Saudi Arabia will overtake us soon. Good riddance.

>>17212852
its ruined by demagogues because most people don't know how to think and are guided by their feefees rather than reason

If you agree with Plato's notion that "until philosophers are kings or kings are philosophers man will not know rest from evil" then yeah democracy is a meme. Hard enough to make one man a true philosopher or even just a decent person. No way can you make an entire society philosophers.

You have a choice between Oligarchy rule or shadow oligarchy rule

>>17213323
Philosophers are the most evil men on the planet though, so what did Plato mean by that?

>>17213380
>Philosophers are the most evil men on the planet though
According to what

>>17213482
Me, a philosopher

>>17212852
Yes, no question. The only shittier form is “anarchy”. In quotes because some people actually think that’s a political system.

>>17213380
Philosophy meant something different in Plato’s time. Read Plato then read Foucalt and you’ll get a feel for the difference.

>>17212852
Plato didn't think that democracy was the worst political system. The five regimes are Aristocracy, Timocracy, Oligarchy, Democracy and Tyranny in that order. Plato thought democracy was a shit political system but he thought that tyranny was worse.

>>17213881
Wow look at that, somebody who actually read the Republic

>>17212852
Plato did not say that democracy was the worst political system. He said tyranny was, retard.

>>17212852
The asshole lived in a patriarchal slave state.
You like the shit he does, you’ll think he’s right.
But he’s a little bitch.

>>17213027
The US isn’t a democracy.

Eternal reminder that when Plato and Aristotle use the term democracy they are referring to direct democracy. Aristotle uses the term to definitionally mean a corrupt form of 'rule by the many'. Contemporary representative democracies do not fit these definitions.

>>17213496
how can we trust you? you are a philosopher!

>>17214054
Eternal reminder that Plato was probably definitely aware of the earlier non direct democracies of Athens which basically worked as oligarchies/representitive democracies and was well aware of both forms.

>>17214054
>Contemporary representative democracies do not fit these definitions
This. They also happen to work as well as they do because there is a large undemocratic element to them - i.e. your representatives don't have to carry out your autism (and very often don't) once you elect them. It's all a bit stupid.

>>17213835
There is no difference in terms of morality. Both men wanted to shape the world so it suited their interests, which is evil.

>>17212852
Fucking TRUE
Plato is based

>>17213338
This

>>17212852
The Republic was satire

>>17213027
>even Saudi Arabia will overtake us soon
you understand absolutely nothing of the world desu

>>17212852
Yes. It's time we go back to Feudalism.

>>17212852
he was a philosopher of a now "lost in the dust of this planet" civilisation.
why we should we take the words of this failure seriously?
every civilisation fails eventually. so fuck off with your street shitting retard.

>>17212852
Ancient Greek democracy isn't modern democracy, retard.

>>17213881
>Democracy and Tyranny in that order.
they are the same btw, but secular humanists have hard time admitting it

>>17212852
What part of the Republic is that from? I don't remember that exact quote. Maybe it was less poetic in the rendering I read.

Nvm, it's from the Laws.