/lit/ - Literature

>>17209756
Your diary desu

>>17209769
My diary is a work in progress, right now I want to feel understood by reading someone else that felt the same way I do right now.
I read bits of My twisted world and didn't really connect with Elliot, I think our problems are different, or at least the way we react to them.

>>17209756
>get the fuck away from me, you creepy little asshole
>you're going to fall in love if I have to shove this arrow up your cunt

>>17209756

The Myth of Sisyphus

I've already read The problem of the puer aeternus and The sorrows of young Werther if that's of any help.

>>17209756
Night Falls Fast: Understanding Suicide

"Die Philosophie der Erlösung" by Philipp Mainländer

>>17209832
I actually started this one but felt like he was just trying to sound smart while saying "dude just don't care lmao". I also don't want to kill myself because of existential issues or thinking life has no meaning, but I might still give it another try.
>>17209819
Not sure if a meme but will look up what it's about.
>>17209896
Thanks anon, seems promising, will check it out.

>>17209756
Read the metaphysics of morals and understand why suicide violates the categorical imperative.
Also read the french symbolists, you will relate, and they will relate to your suffering but it will also stop you from actually killing yourself, i hope.
Also, though obvious , the bible.
Godspeed Anon.

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>>17209756
The Sublimes by Yuri Mamleyev

>>17210092
Lust will empty out your head and only leave you with dead and decaying matter.

>>17209756
drive a tank into a bank!

the entire western canon

>>17210244
why is it that only fat unattractive people type things like this?

Not exactly a book but the Phaidon dialogue

>>17209756
steppenwolf maybe

why do you want to kill yourself?

>>17209756
Nausea by Jean Paul Sartre was a book that helped me when I thought about killing myself.

>>17209756
That's a cute painting op

No, you won't

>>17209950
Camus never tells you not to care, he says the opposite. He’s encouraging you to care so much about your life that you fight on even in the face of its ultimate futility, to live the life you want to live
unrestrained by fear of death or some cosmic judgement.
It can get bogged down by all the references to other philosophers who speak on the subject, but you can get the essence of what he means from his novels. If you’re interested, the doctor in the Plague is a prime example of his idea of what “an absurdist” would look like in practice.

>>17209819

>>17209756
what is your name, if I may ask?

michel tournier "friday"

actually tho

>>17209756
women are beautiful

>>17209950
Why do you want to rope? If we vaguely knew the reasons then it would be easier to give you books to either prevent or compliment your departure.

>>17210063
>suicide violates the categorical imperative.
And you truly think I give a flying fuck?
you cu ck

>>17211016
uh yeah,
it is contra-reason (vernunftwidrig) to assume that reason would end itself.
There is no reasonable argument for suicide because reason wouldnt terminate itself, RETARD. The only act to suicide is one completely free of reason.

>>17211189
Why wouldn’t reason end itself?

>>17210063
I'm not sure I'll be able to understand those things but they do sound interesting. Thank you for your suggestion anon.
>>17210113
Thanks anon
>>17210247
I still don't know if this is an anime or video game character
>>17210252
That's kinda nice of you anon. Can't say I'll do it.
>>17210362
I think Kagan mentioned it on his course on death. Will see if I can follow the original text. Thanks anon.
>>17210394
I have read Steppenwolf, and did find it a bit helpful, but I don't really know anymore. It's kinda hard to point it out exactly why, I haven't been able to think straight lately, I can't think for more than a ocuple minutes at a time, they're just feelings at this point. I did write down some of my reasons from last year, it was mostly shame and anxiety. I'm doing somewhat better now but I still want this whole thing to end. cc >>17210701
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>>17210467
>>17210656
Thank you anons
>>17210652
Sorry, I'd rather not answer that question.

go and read the complete works of Homer, Pindar, Plato, Aristotle, Sophocles, Euripides, Hesiod, Aristophanes, Herodotus, Arrian, Thucydides, Sappho, Plutarch, Ovid, Virgil, Lucretius, Arisoto, Horace, St. Augustine, Marcus Aurelius, Rabelais, Dante, Petrarch, Tasso, Bruno, Boccaccio, Leopardi, Machiavelli, Luther, Cervantes, Chaucer, the Beowulf poet, Chretien de Troyes, Marie de France, Sterne, Burton, Browne, Spenser, Wyatt, Sidney, Herbert, Percy Shelley, Tennyson, Donne, Pope, Dryden, Bacon, Novalis, Schelling, Schlegels, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Pascal, Lichtenberg, Dickinson, Shakespeare, Ibsen, Strindberg, Austen, Dickens, Marlowe, Diderot, Jonson, Potocki, Goethe, Bunyan, Gibbon, Addison, Smollett, Milton, Johnson, Boswell, Emerson, Quincey, Burke, Spinoza, Leibniz, Hume, Kant, Mary Shelley, Wollstonecraft, Racine, Baudelaire, Valery, Rimbaud, Verlaine, Moliere, Montaigne, Browning, Gray, Holderlin, Schiller, Shaw, Voltaire, Hugo, Balzac, Zola, Colette, Duras, Dumas, Stendhal, Nerval, Flaubert, Mallarme, Malraux, Chateaubriand, Artaud, Poe, Wordsworth, Coleridge, Blake, Byron, Keats, Arnold, Pater, Walter Scott, Swinburne, Thackeray, Rossetti, Carroll, William James, Henry James, Hawthorne, Twain, Melville, Dewey, Bergson, Whitehead, George Eliot, Williams, Frost, Cummings, Crane, Stevens, Whitman, Hughes, Plath, Trakl, Rilke, Celan, Montale, Neruda, Lorca, Tagore, Manzoni, Peake, Murdoch, Wharton, Wilde, Faulkner, O'Connor, Passos, Nietzsche, Marx, Adorno, Bloch, Lukacs, Bakhtin, Hamsun, Pushkin, Gogol, Tolstoy, Turgenev, Chekhov, Andreyev, Bely, Bulgakov, Gonchorov, Camoes, Pessoa, Queiroz, Saramago, Paz, Borges, Bloy, Pirandello, Huysmans, Lautreamont, Schwob, Casares, Bolano, Cortazar, Lima, Donoso, de Assis, Carpentier, Celine, Marquez, Unamuno, Gracq, Gide, Jarry, Camus, Conrad, Wells, Hardy, Salinger, Anderson, Ford, Maugham, Lawrence, Forster, Hrabal, Swift, Bronte, Woolf, Bachelard, Roussel, Beckett, Proust, Nabokov, Joyce, O'Brien, Yeats, Waugh, Heaney, Pinter, Auden, Hofmannsthal, Mann, Musil, Broch, Zweig, Bachmann, Jelinek, Lessing, Laxness, Simenon,Svevo, Levi, Buzzati, Quasimodo, Moravia, Llosa, Walser, Kafka, Babel, Schulz, Transtromer, Kertesz, Pavic, Andric, Grossmann, Linna, Mahfouz, Boll, Grass, Canetti, Pavese, Robbe-Grillet, Blanchot, Perec, Queneau, Calvino, Bernhard, Gass, Barth, Gaddis, Vollmann, Vidal, Hawkes, DeLillo, Pynchon, McCarthy, McElroy, Soseki, Murasaki, Shonagon, Kawabata, Mishima, Akutagawa, Tanizaki, Dazai, Oe, Xingjian, Mo Yan, Kosztolanyi, Gombrowicz, Ishiguro, Eco, Coetzee, Auerbach, Benjamin, Barthes, Pasternak, Derrida, de Man, Kristeva, Deleuze, Bateson, Foucault, Lyotard, Mcluhan, Eichenbaum, Davenport, Steiner, Munro, Carson, Handke, Arno Schmidt, Therouxs, Patrick White, Alfau, Marias, Enard, Claude Simon, Robinson, Elizabeth Bishop, Markson, Lowry, Bellow, Dara

>>17209950
> I also don't want to kill myself because of existential issues or thinking life has no meaning
So... you're seeking attention?
Just off yourself and don't bother reading any more Harry Potter

>>17211189
LOL clueless faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C32dMfmo9ow

>>17211535
because reason is what gives itself the impetus to first think, it is itself and can therefore only think in the system which is itself, therefore the thought of it destroying itself can not occur within itself.
we are obviously speaking in Kantian terms of "Reason" here since thats what the other anon started with.
theres a great Gödel quote on this but I cant find it anymore

>>17211663
Wouldn’t reason take into account the utilitarian consequences of existence at some point? For instance, if you are about to be tortured for the rest of your life, or other ultimatums, couldn’t reason feasibly lead you to commit suicide?

>>17210252

>>17211812
>utilitarian
i literally wrote
>we are obviously speaking in Kantian terms
utilitarianism literaaly is not a thing in kantian ethics or even epistemology kek
dont be a stupid anglo with such utilitianism shit; read Kant and then Nietzsche and you wont even scoff at such lines anymore:
> if you are about to be tortured for the rest of your life, or other ultimatums, couldn’t reason feasibly lead you to commit suicide?

i mean this in sincerity btw

The denial of death
Ecclesiastes
Poems by Archilchus

>>17209756
I have this on canvas in a nice frame on my bedroom wall. One of my favorite paintings. Also have pic related as well

>>17210519
I appreciate your reply anon, though I don't think I'll be reading Camus, maybe later on once I'm feeling better, because like I said I don't think my reasons for wanting to commit suicide are existential or philosophical, I don't fear death or cosmic judgement, at least not any more than I fear being alive and the judgement of other people.

>>17209756
Mr Edstrom sucked this guy off and this guy sucked on his mantits.

>>17209756
The entire Taishō Tripiṭaka

>>17212090
That's gotta be one amazing bedroom.

>>17209756
Read this and kill someone else.

>>17209769
fucking lost it

>>17212093
>than I fear being alive and the judgement of other people.
That's the fear of death.

>>17209756
Gilgamesh

>>17212093
not him but, it's hard to say since we don't know your circumstances or state of mind but, Camus writes on learning to live in spite of death in the more practical sense you're referring to, not in the existential or philosophical sense, The Stranger is an easier book to digest than Myth of Sisyphus, short, and thematically focuses on the "tired of living, what's the point" mentality, and if you don't intend to read the entire book (short as it is) I at least advise you to read the last few sentences.

>>17209819
Why?

>>17209756
Stranger in a strange land!

>>17212476
I read The Stranger a some time ago and it completely went over my head, I only read it because I found out about Camus after watching Taxi Driver. Maybe I'll get more out of it by reading it a second time, it's insanely short anyway.

>>17212746
I suggest you do, I don't believe just a book is enough to make you not want to commit suicide, but if you read the book with eyes for finding some sort of consolation in living, then I think you will find it.

Just stop using 4chan and live life OP. It's really that easy.

>>17210467
Keyed

>>17212179
>kill someone else
Finally some real solutions

>>17212789
It think the reason I use 4chan is because I can't live life, not the other way around. I see myself as someone who doesn't have it in them that which is needed to want to live, and hence will always be seen as inferior by everyone else, perhaps rightfully so. Even if I could change this on paper I have no real drive or reason to do so, I would live life pretending to be something I'm not, and I think I'd rather choose death over such way of living. I mostly only come to this board and sometimes vent on /adv/ anyway. But I think I agree with you to some extent, which is why I haven't killed myself yet. If my life circumstances were a bit different maybe that would suffice to not want to die, and so long as I don't have an access of despair that brings things to an end I could keep trying to get there, I just don't think I will make it.
>>17212890
I entertained such ideas at some point during last year but I don't think I have any right to do anything like that, not even to someone who most people would say they 'deserved it' or say it was a net good. It's up to those who intend to keep on living, not someone who is about to end his life. If they think they have such right they should be able to do it themselves and keep on living. I mean, the guy who's thinking of killing himself it's me not the person that allegedly deserves death, whatever their way of life/mindset is it seems to be better than mine, they aren't thinking of killing themselves, how can I know what they do is really wrong?

Not a response to OP but book suggestions please for what to do when unable to commit suicide due to having young children & family to support.

>>17209756
The Complete Suicide Manual by Wataru Tsurami

>>17212988
it's cliched to say, but it's apparent that you're putting yourself in a mindset which denies you yourself "living", circumstances aside, as capable as you are of killing yourself, you are just as capable of doing anything else, anything.

>>17209756
carlos castaneda

>>17210687
>women
*Booba creatures
>Ftfy

>>17209756
all of them

>>17213001

>>17210244
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>>17210092
Based

>>17209756
>eyes pop out of head
Boiyoyoypypiiiinngggggg
AWOOOOOGA
AWOOOOOOGA
AWOOOOGA
AYEAYEAYAYAYA AWOOOOOOOOOO

The Bible

>>17209950
Well why do you want to kill yourself. Also, while absurdism isn't that complex, your take of it makes me think things I won't say because I already asked you a question and I want you to answer that first.

>>17212746
Christ anon maybe you should kill yourself. What kind of brainlet are you? The stranger is like entry level.
>I found out about Camus after watching Taxi Driver
Why even come to this board?

>>17213965
Fuck off

>>17214003
You're right, I ought to since this place is for people who DON'T read. I'll go to the suicidal ESL board to talk about literature, since they moved their discussions here.

>>17209756
all of them. nokilling yourself till you've read the full western canon, twice.

>>17212106
Thanks, I think it is.

>>17209817
Haha, that's great! Reddit will love that one.

>>17210063
If the categorical imperative is what stops you from suicide, all I can say is remember to look both ways before crossing the street on your way to work everyday

>>17209756
Stoner.

>>17213225
I want to say that's not true because changing one's life is much harder than bringing it to an end, and that I've been trying to get myself to a point where I no longer have the intention of killing myself for the past two years with no success, but to be fair those are also two years during which I didn't kill myself. Hey, maybe one thing really isn't that much easier than the other.
>>17213965
>>17214058
I don't really know what to say to you anon. I also mindlessly post to decompress every now and then, though never addressing a specific person and certainly not suggesting they kill themselves knowing they have or have had suicidal thoughts, not even as a joke. I know /mu/'s wiki has a suicide chart but I couldn't find something like that on /lit/'s wiki. I liked these books >>17209844, it's true that I'm not smart enough to understand literature but I still wanted to give it a try even if I were to only read entry level nonfiction. I liked Status anxiety and currently enjoying The normal personality, maybe you can suggest some other book given this information. But it's okay if you don't, I've gotten plenty of good suggestions already and I'm not a fast reader. Hope you're doing okay and have a good night.

>>17214538
You could've just called me mean and I would have actually felt bad and apologised but when faggots write these massive things almost like they're trying to force guilt out of me it makes me feel like they're being a bit condescending. Anyways, I think fiction is better for the soul: maybe try the sailor who felt out of grace with the sea. What the hell are you so sad about anyway?

>>17214538
it's something that you've not done it as long as you've considered it, that should mean something to you, whether it be a clinging hope, or physical imperative, be aware of your agency but be don't be intoxicated with it or fall into despair when stuff doesn't go your way, I trust you know this already though. The books recommended to you should provide a much more composed and extensive response than any individual can give you here, I hope the best for you.

>>17210252
based